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Taclḥit wikipedia (wp/shi):

Hi i'm one of the test-administrators of this project.

Can someone of @language committee be kind enough to make us aware about the situation of our project on the approbation process.

Best regards

Lhoussine AIT TAYFST (talk) 09:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lhoussine AIT TAYFST: Hello. Language committee periodically checks active projects to see if the appropriate level of activity has been reached. If language Committee seems to have missed your project even though there is enough activity, leave your message in m:Talk:Language committee. My personal opinion is that if multiple users are consistently active for several months more on your project, the chances of getting approved are significant. --Sotiale (talk) 10:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


{{Welcome-translations}} is transcluded on several talkpages, including mine. Currently, the template displays all its welcome lines at once (in bulk), instead of showing just one line. The language selector menu does not work (for me at least). I don't know how to fix this. - Xbspiro (talk) 04:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. I don't know it either, but I take this occasion to suggest we just remove the translations. It's not like translating this one line serves much of a useful purpose. --MF-W {a, b} 04:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The translated welcome templates themselves have their own welcome lines already. Please go ahead. - Xbspiro (talk) 04:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Removed the non-English texts, but didn't delete the template as it has so many uses. I don't know if the fuss is worth it to subst it everywhere. --MF-W {a, b} 17:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assamese wiktionary test's main page

Wt/as/বেটুপাত seems to be the real main page, but there is also Wt/as/Main Page. What should be done? -- Intolerable situation (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Intolerable situation: You may try to merge the pages. Projects usually use the translated main page title. If the content of Wt/as/Main Page should be kept (which seems to be a welcoming message), insert the text into Wt/as/বেটুপাত to an appropriate place. Then you can redirect Wt/as/Main Page to Wt/as/বেটুপাত by replacing its content with #REDIRECT[[Wt/as/বেটুপাত]]. - Xbspiro (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Intolerable situation (talk) 03:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Yesterday a vandal was detected on the lmo wiktionary. I need information on how to report vandalism.--Gat lombart (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can report it on I:AN. --MF-W {a, b} 13:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is noting the source of the translation useful?

I created a template prototype at User:JsfasdF252/Translated from (creating pages with unprefixed titles directly in template namespace seems to be impossible). It accepts the English name of the page being translated and the specific diff of the source page. It would probably be more useful if you could specify a different source language. JsfasdF252 (talk) 17:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where would it be used? --MF-W {a, b} 18:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would be used on translated pages of test wikis. JsfasdF252 (talk) 18:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing module

Can anyone fix this Module:Wp/bdr/Documentation/config? It is not displayed as a module. --Tofeiku (talk) 18:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tofeiku: Has the problem been solved? --Sotiale (talk) 06:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Language Requests

Hello! Where do I find a comprehensive list of Wikipedia language requests please? I'm trying to figure out if there is a request for a Moselle Franconian Wikipedia or if there was one in the past. --Son-of-my-comfort (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

m:Category:Requests for new languages. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desktop Improvements will soon be available!

An annotated screenshot of the new interface


We are happy to announce that the Desktop Improvements will be deployed on your wiki in less than two weeks. The interface will be adjusted to the needs of the community and readers of your wiki.

How would the change work?

  • All new features will be visible by default.
  • These are changes for Vector only (it's the default skin), which means that all users of Monobook or other skins will not see the difference.
  • Those who prefer to keep the current Vector view will be able to do so via a link in the sidebar or using their user preferences - our refined interface will be Vector, and the unchanged Vector will be called Legacy Vector.
  • We will not change the article content (as marked on the screenshot to the right), and we will not remove any functionality (our plan is to rearrange and improve them).

What changes are we going to introduce?

In less than two weeks, we will deploy:

  • A smaller header. This will allow us to later make the header sticky and visible all the time (without needing to scroll up).
  • A collapsible sidebar. It will make it easier not to get distracted when reading.
  • Limited width for articles. This will allow users to read more quickly and lead to better retention of the text itself. This functionality will not affect the Special pages.
  • Improved search widget with images and descriptions for each suggested page.
  • Improved link colors wchich will make links more easy to notice.

You can learn more about the following changes.

Gadgets' compatibility

With these changes, some existing gadgets and user scripts might need to be updated or might become redundant or obsolete. We will provide support for users who would like to maintain the compatibility.

How can you participate?

  • [Everyone] Share your feedback! What do you like? What would you like to see changed? Some preferences are known already, since our changes are based on data: research and community feedback. But there's still a lot of details to refine!
  • [Tech-oriented] Report bugs and follow our messages about gadgets and scripts which would need to be updated to maintain compatibility.
  • [Translators] Translate the documentation on MediaWiki.org.

Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IW on Wikidata

tracked at phab:T54971

It seems that now there is an Add links option in the sidebar under languages. (It might have been there for some time, and maybe I have just overlooked it up until now.)

It seems that Wikidata does not handle Incubator yet (at least Incubator is not a valid wiki under Multilingual sites). Clicking on Add links sometimes redirects to Create a new Item on Wikidata (example: Template:Wn/hu/Irányelv-navigáció[1]) - it auto-fills incubatorwiki in as Site of the first linked page, but I am not sure if it would work.

Do we want to keep this sidebar-option? - Xbspiro (talk) 00:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Xbspiro: Better to keep, we really want it, just like Multilingual Wikisource. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would welcome this feature as well - but currently it does not seem to be fully implemented and might cause confusion among newbies. - Xbspiro (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The random button is not language sensitive

The language button on left actually takes you to any random language place. Bug? --Greatder (talk) 15:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Special:RandomByTest? It depends on the test-wiki preference you set for yourself. If none, then it shows a random main space page. --MF-W {a, b} 17:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: How can I change it to within the specific language? --Greatder (talk) 06:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On Special:Preferences there is a setting Test wiki: and Test wiki language:. --MF-W {a, b} 16:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]


I'd like to start reverting vandalism here. Is twinkle a thing here? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derpdart56 (discussioncontribs) 15:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Derpdart56: This is a bit of a late reply but there is no local Twinkle here. You can use Twinkle Global, by adding m:User:Xiplus/TwinkleGlobal to your global.js file on meta. --Ferien (talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I ask for a bot intervention

In order to correct a spelling mistake we need the intervention of a bot for the Lombard language wiktionary: the job to do is to replace the word "indoe" with "indove" in all the pages prefixed Wt/lmo--Gat lombart (talk) 12:07, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tahmid02016 (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tahmid02016: Thank you --Gat lombart (talk) 15:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient language issue

I am creating an incubator for Ancient Meitei language (language code:omp). But something I have heard that ancient language test wiki will not be accepted and approved as an independent Wikipedia after its incubation period. Seriously, I am really confused, whether to start omp in Wikimedia incubator or wiki source wiki! Haoreima (talk) 04:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion continues an archived one: Incubator:Community_Portal/Archive/2020#Template:Db.

Conflicts with protective software

I found, after getting a VPN account two years ago, that I couldn't edit on WP because all it received to identify me was an IP address located in Texas that was probably used by many with problems, i.e, vandalism, COI, paid editing, etc. So I had to quickly terminate the service or quit editing.

This week I got an anti-track program. It caused WP/WM to fail to recognize my log in credentials and when I tried to enter a new password, I repeatedly got the message that my newly chosen password, blind-typed into two boxes (create and repeat) didn't match, though I tried to change them, over and over. It caused me to be blocked for a day as I repeatedly tried to correct the problem and exceeded the permissible attempts.

This is just a heads up for someone who has the ability to either fix the apparent problems or to warn other editors about the potential conflicts. Activist (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Activist. I see you have the global ip block exemption now, and I hope it fixes your problems. However, I do wonder: why did you post this here on Incubator, where this is your first edit? :-) --MF-W {a, b} 14:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki request

Please, transwiki Wp/yrk/Поговорим на ненецком языке to voy:ru:Ненецкий разговорник. 17:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot do this. You need to request it at the target wikis. --MF-W {a, b} 09:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Bots

Hello! Does anyone know if there's a bot that adds interlanguage links (e.g. [[en:France]]) that's still active? --PastelKos (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was MerlIwBot, whose operator, User:Merlissimo, is unfortunately inactive since a few years already. --MF-W {a, b} 09:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria for admission


According to the Manual: "Content work is the most important thing. Write and maintain articles. It can sometimes take a long time before your wiki is approved." I'm considering working on a language for a new Wikipedia but I'd like to know how much time it takes, for instance having orders of magnitude of:

  • How many active users are required? Or what was the average/median number of active users of the most recently approved new Wikipedias?
  • Same questions for the total number of articles (in the main space) and/or bytes/characters (to exclude super short articles)?
  • For accepted projects, what was the minimum/average/median/maximum months/years between the creation of the Incubator version and its approval?

I understand that it's not only a matter of quantity and that the quality of the articles is extremely important but I think these metrics would be helpful to set up goals for the community and motivate contributors.

I thought I could manually check Incubator:Site creation log and look at approved projects and see how many articles they had but it seems that the version on Incubator is deleted a few months after it is approved. That's why I'm asking this question :) A455bcd9 (talk) 22:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you can see meta:Request for new languages. Hope your Wikipedia gets approved! <atomi20>¿some problem? 10:03 AM, 30 June 2021 (UTC -5)
@A455bcd9: See m:langcom. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atomi20:, thank. Unfortunately the page you linked says "This page doesn't currently exist; you can search this title in other pages or edit this page.", what was the intended link?
@Koavf:, thanks, I checked this page, but I can't see the answers to my questions, what did you have in mind? A455bcd9 (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9: Sorry, it was meta:Requests for new languages. There you can see some examples of requests and see the card at the right of "Language committee" for help with the Langcom. <atomi20>¿some problem? 10:32 AM, 30 June 2021 (UTC -5)
@A455bcd9: What I mean is, they are the ones who make these decisions. Their decision-making process is also not 100% transparent of predictable. E.g. it's not "If you have 1,000 articles, six active users, and have at least 30 edits per day for more than 60 days, you will be approved" (tho that would be a nice start). —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I totally understand that their decision-making process is not 100% transparent or predictable and I think it's okay. That's why I wanted data to know the minimum/maximum/average/median. m:Language proposal policy says: " At least five active users must edit that language regularly before a test project will be considered successful." but nothing more... It's quite disappointing :( A455bcd9 (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it's possible to easily get these data, since - as you say - the pages are mostly deleted now. Some things like number of articles and their sizes could maybe be deduced from initial dumps of the subdomains. Approval by langcom is solely based on the fact of whether a sustainable community of at least several users exists to ensure that a new wiki will continue to be active; not on the number of articles or the time it has already existed. --MF-W {a, b} 09:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change directionality & font

Hi, With @AdrianAbdulBaha: and others we want to contribute to Wp/ajp. But we have two issues:

  • Directionality: this Wikipedia is written with the Arabic script but the directionality is setup as left-to-right. How can we change it to right to left?
  • Font: apparently on Windows (I'm on MacOS so I don't know) ajp (and also apc) fonts aren't displayed correctly. The problem doesn't exist for arz (Egyptian), ary (Moroccan), Wp/arq (Algerian). More details can be found here. How can we solve this problem on the ajp Wikipedia?

A455bcd9 (talk) 12:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, ajp defaults to Arial, which is also how ar Wikipedia appears to me. Meanwhile, ary Wikipedia displays in Segoe UI & arz Wikipedia — & Persian Wikipedia, for what it's worth — displays in Tahoma (which is what we want to use). It seems there must be a way to choose which of these fonts to display on Wikipedia. Also, I believe all three of these fonts are installed in all Windows computers by default, so it's not a matter of having to download a language pack on the user's end. AdrianAbdulBaha (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I created a pull request here to solve the issue, based on advice I received on the Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia (see here).
We still have the font issue to solve though... A455bcd9 (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is this still a problem? --MF-W {a, b} 12:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The directionality issue was solved for the Incubator by your edit on MediaWiki:Common.css, thanks a lot!
Regarding the font, it looks fine on macOS, iOS, and Android. On Windows some users (such as @AdrianAbdulBaha:) don't like the Arabic font used on Wp/ajp. However, it is the same font as the one used on the Arabic (ar) Wikipedia, with millions of visitors. (On the other hand, on the English Wikipedia and on other Wikimedia projects the font used on texts tagged with "ajp" is really hard to read on Windows and we're still looking for a solution, cf. this new Phabricator ticket and this template with a temporary solution) So even though it could be improved, I think it's okay for now and not really important at this stage. The technicalities can be resolved later. For instance once the test project is more active or once the "real" Wikipedia is created we may consider setting up a specific font for ajp (arz did that on their Wikipedia for instance, but in any case it would require contributors to agree on a common font...).
That's why I consider that the issue is fixed for the Incubator. But this is only my opinion and other contributors may think differently. Thanks for your help. A455bcd9 (talk) 07:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Simple English Wikivoyage

I would like to propose to start incubating the Simple English Wikivoyage. In some area's of the current English Wikivoyage, the understand section may be hard for some non native english speakers, and most of the time, except for the English Wikivoyage, the relevant language wikivoyage only has whichever country article it relates to, and major world cities. While I'm saying this as a native en speaker from Australia, there's a lot of countries that have english as an official language, but have numerous local languages which don't have its own language Wikivoyage, in particular, some of the Indian, South African, and Nigerian areas.

I also believe that a simple english wikivoyage may also be more beneficial for someone wishing to print out their items for travel, but don't want to read the whole history and wordy bits, that take some time, and for those who read it on mobile, it may chew up mobile data in some areas.

Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, simple projects have generally been discouraged and it's very unlikely that any more would be accepted or were simple.wp or simple.wikt proposed today, they would not have been approved. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The newly created property can be used to link to the main page of active projects, sample: d:Q35497#P9748. It's used to generate links to these on d:Help:Wikimedia_language_codes/lists/all/in_nl. Jura1 (talk) 07:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wp/she should be Wp/shx

The She Wikipedia test wiki has the wrong language code - it's using the language code (she) of the Sheko language of Africa, rather than the language code (shx) of the She language of China like it should. --Sailor Ceres (talk) 22:32, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The page only contains seven subpages (less than 100), so this should be one simple click for an administrator. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Templates and Categories still remain. --MF-W {a, b} 01:49, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg Noting that I have a script which could mass-move categories of a specific pattern (and recategorise accordingly). 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I need help at Wn/lad/Xablón:Perú because all things are unorganized -help would be appreciated- to organize things. atomi20¿some problem? 22:53, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Xbspiro: thanks, but now see this. atomi20¿some problem? 00:04, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atomi20: Yeah, I have seen it. Unfortunately I am not skilled in CSS. 'Clear' probably restricts textflow next to the boxes, but I am not sure about that at all. - Xbspiro (talk) 00:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atomi20: This will not solve the problem, just note that the correct name would be Template:Wn/lad/Perú instead of Wn/lad/Xablón:Perú. (Because of policy.) - Xbspiro (talk) 00:40, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to add multiple test wikis?

Is there a way to add multiple test wikis, or will I have to use None/All? Programmeruser (talk) 14:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by multiple test wikis? atomi20¿some problem? 19:17, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean that I want to participate in multiple incubator projects, and I was asking how to specify that in my preferences. Programmeruser (talk) 01:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid this is not possible (apart from changing it manually every time). The setting does nothing except add the given project as the default for some tools, so if there is a wiki you contribute to the most, that would be the best choice. --MF-W {a, b} 21:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. Programmeruser (talk) 18:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chữ Nôm Wikipedia

In April 2010 the Chữ Nôm Wikipedia was deleted because it wasn't seen as likely to attract many people. However, the Kinh people of China still use Chữ Nôm to communicate making it a living language. I think that the deletion of the Chữ Nôm Wikipedia should be reviewed.

I am not sure how to treat this as it is essentially just the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia but using Chữ Nôm rather than Latin script, but as it's "a living language" I don't think that the earlier dismissal still stands. -- 成員:徵國單  (討論 🀄) (銅錢樞 💴) 21:36, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For context, there is a Wiki called 韋那威箕(Vi-na Uy-ki / VinaWiki)which has 505 articles and a small number of contributors, perhaps if it is possible we can import this entire wiki. Furthermore, there is an ongoing debate on the Vietnamese-language Wikipedia about the inclusion of Chinese characters because of the fact that there are still Vietnamese speakers that use them, having a separate wiki for Vietnamese written in Chữ Nôm would be an easy solution. -- 成員:徵國單  (討論 🀄) (銅錢樞 💴) 21:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to automatically convert Vietnamese in Latin script to Chữ Nôm? If such a conversion is not 100% accurate, what would be the accuracy? Because if it's possible to design a system >90% accuracy then you can just create a mirror of the Vietnamese Wikipedia with automatically converted script and when the conversion algorithm is not sure about the Chinese characters to use the Latin script is kept. Such a system could even be implemented directly on the existing Vietnamese Wikipedia. The Kazakh Wikipedia has a similar feature with Latin, Cyrillic, and Arabic script. A455bcd9 (talk) 09:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wikimedia incubator is a stage before becoming a separate project. Chữ Nôm currently does not have a valid ISO 639-3 code, and therefore does not meet the basic conditions to become a new project. If Chữ Nôm project is to be validated, it should first be assigned an ISO 639-3 code. --Sotiale (talk) 11:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9: It is impossible to do that. Nôm script and Quốc Ngữ script have nothing in common. I don't know how to explain it to you but we can't do the same thing as the Chinese Wikipedia is doing, or the rate will be very low, lots of mistakes. (My English is very bad. Sorry) MagicalNight97 (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I know that these scripts have nothing in common, but can a human like you easily convert on article written in Quốc Ngữ to Nôm? If so then you can probably train an algorithm to do it, and then convert the whole Vietnamese Wikipedia. Do you see what I mean? A455bcd9 (talk) 18:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9, Donald Trung: I don't know if this can be done as I don't know much about Nom script (I'm 2K generation), Donald Trung, can you answer this question. Sorry if I bothered you. MagicalNight97 (talk) 01:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9: @MagicalNight97: Automatic conversion from Vietnamese in Latin script to Chữ Nôm already exists here so MagicalNight97's comment on it being 'impossible' has been nullified. --Ernesztina (talk) 08:47, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's exactly what I had in mind. The website says "This is only a highly experimental BETA-Version!" but I'm sure that it could be improved using "artificial intelligence" (without all the buzzwords, this task is equivalent to translation, it's even simpler, so it should be easy). In any case, it means that anyone can create a Chữ Nôm Wikipedia by automatically "converting" the existing Vietnamese Wikipedia one. Do does anyone want to do this? When there's a will there's a way! :) A455bcd9 (talk) 09:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ernesztina: My saying that it is impossible to convert from Quoc Ngu to Nom is not entirely wrong. Did you know that converting from Quoc Ngu to Nom is not the same as converting from Traditional Chinese to Simplified Chinese or other "written forms" (I don't know much about Chinese characters). Nom and Quoc Ngu don't use the same script and try using the above website to convert a proper Vietnamese name - that's not possible, it will return false or no results. The Chinese Wikipedia can be converted to various "written forms" including proper names because those proper names are transliterated into Chinese and not in the Latin alphabet. Quoc Ngu script uses the letters of the Latin alphabet to represent proper names, so it is not possible to directly convert from Quoc Ngu to Nom according to the methods that zhwiki did. My English is quite bad so you may not understand what I say. Sincerely apologize MagicalNight97 (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I don't understand why it's not possible (or hard to do). Could you please provide examples? For instance one sentence that is hard to translate (according to you) in Chữ Nôm and in Quoc Ngu? Thanks! A455bcd9 (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9: I take an example like this:
  • Originally in Vietnamese script: Trong màu áo Argentina, Messi là cầu thủ ra sân nhiều nhất và cũng là cầu thủ ghi nhiều bàn thắng nhất mọi thời đại của đất nước quê hương anh. Ở cấp độ trẻ, anh đã giành chức vô địch giải bóng đá trẻ thế giới năm 2005, kết thúc giải đấu với Quả bóng vàng và Chiếc giày vàng, giành tấm huy chương vàng Olympic tại Thế vận hội Mùa hè 2008. Phong cách rê bóng bằng chân trái của anh được so sánh với Diego Maradona, người đã mô tả Messi là truyền nhân của ông. Sau trận ra mắt đội tuyển vào tháng 8 năm 2005, Messi trở thành cầu thủ Argentina trẻ nhất thi đấu và ghi bàn tại FIFA World Cup vào năm 2006 và lọt vào trận chung kết Copa América 2007, nơi anh được vinh danh là cầu thủ trẻ xuất sắc nhất. Với tư cách là đội trưởng của đội tuyển từ tháng 8 năm 2011, anh đã dẫn dắt Argentina đến ba trận chung kết liên tiếp: FIFA World Cup 2014, nơi anh giành Quả bóng vàng, Copa América 2015 và 2016. Sau khi tuyên bố giã từ sự nghiệp thi đấu quốc tế vào năm 2016, anh đã thay đổi quyết định và đưa đất nước của mình giành quyền tham dự FIFA World Cup 2018, về đích ở vị trí thứ ba tại Copa América 2019 và giành chức vô địch Copa América 2021, nơi anh đoạt giải Quả bóng vàng và Chiếc giày vàng. (from Lionel Messi article on viwiki)
  • Translation into Nom (word-by-word translation): 𥪝 牟 襖 Argentina Messi 𪜀 求 首 𫥨 sân 𡗉 一 吧 拱 𪜀 求 首 ghi 𡗉 盘 thắng 一 𤞦 時 代 𧵑 坦 渃 quê 香 英 於 急 度 𥘷 英 㐌 giành 織 無 địch 解 𩃳 跢 𥘷 世 界 𠄼 2005 結 thúc 解 鬥 貝 果 𩃳 鐄 吧 隻 giày 鐄 giành 糝 huy 章 鐄 Olympic 在 替 vận 会 务 hè 2008 Phong 格 rê 𩃳 凭 蹎 賴 𧵑 英 特 so sánh 貝 Diego Maradona 𠊛 㐌 mô tả Messi 𪜀 傳 人 𧵑 翁 𡢐 陣 𫥨 眜 隊 tuyển 𠓨 𣎃 8 𠄼 2005 Messi 𧿨 城 求 首 Argentina 𥘷 一 詩 鬥 吧 ghi 盘 在 FIFA World Cup 𠓨 𠄼 2006 吧 lọt 𠓨 陣 終 結 Copa América 2007 坭 英 特 vinh 名 𪜀 求 首 𥘷 出 色 一 貝 四 格 𪜀 隊 長 𧵑 隊 tuyển 自 𣎃 8 𠄼 2011 英 㐌 引 𢩮 Argentina 𦤾 𠀧 陣 終 結 連 接 FIFA World Cup 2014 坭 英 giành 果 𩃳 鐄 Copa América 2015 吧 2016 𡢐 欺 tuyên 布 giã 自 事 業 詩 鬥 國 际 𠓨 𠄼 2016 英 㐌 台 𢬭決 定 吧 迻 坦 渃 𧵑 𨉟 giành 权 貪 預 FIFA World Cup 2018 𧗱 đích 於 位 置 次 𠀧 在 Copa América 2019 吧 giành 織 無 địch Copa América 2021 坭 英 đoạt 解 果 𩃳 鐄 吧 隻 giày 鐄.

There are many words that cannot be translated using the website you provided above, both with proper nouns and with other discrete sounds (including verbs, common nouns,...). Proper nouns also cannot be converted using this tool. If you want to convert, you need to transcribe these proper nouns into Sino-Vietnamese words (I'm not sure) and then convert. This is the biggest difference between viwiki and zhwiki and I think this hinders the correct conversion from Quoc Ngu to Nom. This is my own opinion. MagicalNight97 (talk) 13:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. It seems that you used the online converter to generate this text. My question is: could you please take one sentence in Vietnamese Latin script and translate it yourself into Nom (or with the help of someone who knows the script well)? Then compare with the result given by the automatic online converter. To see how good (or bad) the converter is. (By the way, regarding propers nouns such as "Copa América" I think one way could be to take the Traditional Chinese characters from the Chinese Wikipedia and add the Latin name in brackets.) A455bcd9 (talk) 09:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but I can't do this due to my limited knowledge of Nom script. You can ask Donald Trung who opened this discussion for help as I think he is knowledgeable in this area. I'm busy working on some other projects right now so I may not be able to respond for a few days. Sorry for the inconvenience. On behalf of the sub-account,  Doku tám 23:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chu Nom character set is sustainedly different from commonly used Chinese characters, and any translation on Chinese Wikipedia would be based on Chinese pronunciation instead of Vietnamese pronunciation, hence this is not a viable solution. C933103 (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment about ISO Just because a language does not have an ISO 639 code does not mean that we should prevent it from being launched on Incubator. Langauge ISO codes are exclusively managed by SIL International, which prioritizes living languages that are of interest to Bible translators. As a result, they usually do not focus on historical, ancient, or liturgical languages unless they are of interest to the evangelical Christian community, and their ISO listings reflect this bias. This issue has been pointed out in mailing lists such as this one, with many linguists voicing their concerns about this issue. I would strongly recommend going forward with the Chu Nom Wikipedia using an improvised code, such as vi-nom. For example, Banyumasan Wikipedia does not have a valid ISO code either, but map-bms turned out to work just fine as with all the other Wikipedias with non-standard language codes. Sabon Harshe (talk) 06:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How hard to find are we?

How difficult is it to direct our target of native speakers to the incubating wikis? They are already much harder to find than existing wikis. But it's also exceedingly difficult to find us with Google. This week, I created an entry for the Zeelandic Wiktionary describing a word which only had one Google hit (though it's a real word which could be salvaged from various printed sources). When I googled again this morning, I didn't find Incubator. I did find a tweet I composed about it.
This probably means the Zeelandic Wiktionary, along with all incubating wikis, is deep web. Impossible to find by Google, and quite possibly also other search engines. Only experienced Wikimedians are going to find it. What can we do about it? Is there anything we can do to manipulate Google's algorithms for storing pages? Steinbach (talk) 09:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Steinbach:, excellent question! It's true that it's almost impossible for someone to end up on the Incubator from Google. (Actually I thought it was an intended feature and not a bug before, to avoid having users reading content that may not be of the same quality as the approved Wikipedias) I checked older entries from the Zeelandic Wiktionary and many of them aren't index in Google either. E.g.: Wt/zea/Mattheüs, created in 2018 (you check verify by Googling site:incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/zea "Mattheüs").
So there's an indexing issue. I think this issue can easily be solved using the Indexing API. There are 200k content pages in the Incubator. It's not a lot. There's a quota of 200 URLs per day but you can request more quota. (And in any case "All use of the Indexing API is free of charge."). So we could ask developers to use the API to request Google to index every newly created content article.
Then, besides the problem of indexing, there's an issue with ranking: pages from the Incubator rarely (if ever) appear in the top results (and on Google if you're not in the first page, and even among the top 3 links, you basically don't exist). Pages are not optimized for SEO. For instance, the title of the page isn't just the word "correct" but "Wt/zea/correct".
Another potential problem (that still affects the ranking of content, not its indexing): Google pushes you content that they think is relevant to you, especially in terms of language and location. So a user in France will see more French content from France, whereas a user in Québec will see more French content from Québec. Because all languages are hosted in the incubator under the same domain ( https://incubator.wikimedia.org ) Google doesn't know which language/community/country the website is catering for.
Conclusion: open a ticket on Phabricator to ask developers to index content? A455bcd9 (talk) 10:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be a fair description, though I'm not fully sure about "Google doesn't know which language/community/country the website is catering for". For example, Special:PageInfo/Wt/zea/Vòblad suggests that the page content language is set depending on the language prefix, and since that is reflected in the HTML source of the page, why wouldn't a search engine use that? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Issue seems to be fixed. I repeated my query yesterday and I found Incubator. Thanks to whoever did this! It is true, of course, that Google doesn't recognize many minor languages and that potential contributors aren't easily shown wikis in their languages. After all, it takes a major investment of time and technology to train software in recognizing and reading a language. But at least it's possible to find us now, and with obscure words there's a fair chance that readers will end up here. Steinbach (talk) 09:37, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Hello community, when I try to edit my account preferences I receive this message:

Internal error
[a943d740-7050-4878-86d8-72cde048f272] 2021-08-29 03:58:27: Fatal exception of type "MWException"

Can anyone tell me what it means and what to do?--Brahim-essaidi (talk) 04:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Brahim-essaidi: Is this still happening? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:49, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jon Harald Søby: No, it is fixed. Thanks for asking.-Brahim-essaidi (talk) 17:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Archive and export of deleted projects

Hi there,

When a Wiki project is deleted, do you have a procedure for archiving and exporting the content as it stands at the end of its life? The Middle English users have asked how they would go about this given that their project is likely to be deleted soon in the course of RFC discussions about allowing ancient languages. --JimKillock (talk) 06:37, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

XML files of the pages can be created and have regularly been created in the past, for reuse in another MediaWiki installation. --MF-W {a, b} 14:17, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SheSaid Philippines 2021


Wikiquote for Central Bikol and Tagalog language are both being improve by Wikimedians in the Philippines. To further promote this project to the community, we are planning to join the SheSaid Campaign this year. You can find more details about this project here: SheSaid Philippines 2021. We would like to invite everyone to join us in this campaign. Feel free to reach out.

Imelda (olay) 14:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A Hatch-Tyap-Wikipedia In-person Training Event

Greetings, all! Some of us might be aware of a translation project prefixed Wp/kcg, representing the Tyap language Wikipedia in the Incubator, yet to be awarded a domain. In order to gather an editing community, we have decided to hold a two-series in-person training event to draw us closer to reaching our basic goal, to get a domain. Here is the link leading to a Rapid Grant proposal meant to facilitate this event. Your individual and collective endorsements would be greatly appreciated. Warm regards. Kambai Akau (talk) 15:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Project/Rapid/MaroBos/Hatch-A-Wiki Project 2021

Good day everyone! I intend to do this simple project in order to develop our Wikiquote projects that are still in incubators (Central Bikol and Tagalog). This notice is required to be posted in community discussion pages related to the project. I hope this will be a success. MaroBos (talk) 15:01, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This has now been funded, though I still decided to move this to the correct location for some visibility. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:1234qwer1234qwer4: thanks for moving these. Do you have any idea whether a page on Meta wrongly suggests people should advertise their money-grant proposals on the talk page of this page? --MF-W {a, b} 12:00, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg, this search on Meta suggests that the only links to the VP's talk page on from Meta are on the grant pages for these specific projects, so I'm not sure why all of these ended up there. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Wikimedia Board of Trustees Election Result

Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2021 Board election. The Elections Committee has reviewed the votes of the 2021 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election, organized to select four new trustees. A record 6,873 people from across 214 projects cast their valid votes. The following four candidates received the most support:

While these candidates have been ranked through the community vote, they are not yet appointed to the Board of Trustees. They still need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. The Board has set a tentative date to appoint new trustees at the end of this month. Read the full announcement here. Best,Zuz (WMF) (talk) 10:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wn/vi need help!

Can anyone edit this template for me so it looks like the version in enwikinews. I don't have much coding knowledge so I can't do it myself. Thank you very much!  Doku tám 09:52, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MF-Warburg: Could you please import these for them? (These are the missing parts of the puzzle.)
n:en:MediaWiki:Common.jsMediaWiki:Wn/vi/Common.js - Xbspiro (talk) 08:44, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, would this tabber work on userpages if we place it under MediaWiki:Wn/vi/Common.js? (I doubt it.) - Xbspiro (talk) 09:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Xbspiro: I simply copied the pages for now so that it can be tried. --MF-W {a, b} 22:07, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: It works on the template itself - but fails to load on user talkpages (their intended usage). I have just previewed the template transclusion on my talk page. My guess is that MediaWiki:Wn/vi/Common.js does not get triggered because the user talkpage itself is not under Wn/vi. Would it be a far-fetched request to include the tabber code in our global.js? - Xbspiro (talk) 22:34, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. Is the template really all that useful? --MF-W {a, b} 22:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, it just looks fancy. It might be better to keep things simple. I've pinged @Mạnh An:, so that he gets notified. - Xbspiro (talk) 23:05, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

New pages to be translated

I think these pages should be made translatable:

Newbies (who do not speak English) may easily run into these cases. - Xbspiro (talk) 07:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed! What needs to be done? --MF-W {a, b} 13:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A translation admin should mark these pages for translation, and select the translatable parts (text) for Extension:Translate. - Xbspiro (talk) 15:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done for the first one (I'm unsure if I forgot any specialties that need to be observed in the MediaWiki namespace for that?). I'll try the second one later. --MF-W {a, b} 16:29, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, it seems to be working fine.
About the MediaWiki message: I have misunderstood it a little. It gets triggered when an unprefixed page is to be created by an inputbox (type=create) or an edit command (&action=edit) in the address bar. (MediaWiki:Wminc-error-unprefixed also gets triggered in these cases.) I hope it is still worthy of translation; if not, sorry for the trouble. - Xbspiro (talk) 04:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No worries about that, it doesn't hurt to have this message translatable. About the template, I still haven't gotten around to it because it contains so much variables interspersed into the text... --MF-W {a, b} 22:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have found another candidate: MediaWiki:Editnotice-2 gets called when you are about to create a userpage. - Xbspiro (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article count

Dear people,

There's something that bugs me, or some bug that things me, or whatever, at the Zealandic Wiktionary. The article count at the Main Page remains at exactly 100 forever, no matter how many pages I create. I tried emptying the cache and refreshing on more than one occasion, and I have made sure to create blue links in lemmas so they would be counted (is that even required in Wiktionary, like it is at Wikipedia?), but nothing helps: the Main Page only gives us 100 lemmas. Any idea what's going on here? Steinbach (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The template counts the number of the pages within the Category:wt/zea. You should add this category to the pages that you recently created. I added one page to the category and now the article count is 101. NinjaStrikers «» 19:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I saw. Thank you very much. That seems to be the simple solution to the problem. Steinbach (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
After this tweak, the number of pages rose from 100 to 181. :) Steinbach (talk) 21:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Technical problem for a Wiktionary to be

This will only be an issue if the Zeelandic Wiktionary is ever approved, which is as yet very doubtful since I'm basically the only contributor. Even so, I want to report it now so people can think of a solution.

Today, I created the entry Wt/zea/iet, for which I suggested the alternative spelling ie:t. The colon can be used to distinguish between ie: (long, half-long) and ie (short), and similarly between oe: and oe. Hardly any author uses it, but the only major Zeelandic dictionary does - enough reason, I think, to include these alternative orthographies. But of course, the colon is also used in old-style interwikis. Inserting [[ie:t]] yields a link to "T" at the Interlingue Wikipedia. I could readily circumvene this problem by typing [[Wt/zea/ie:et|ie:et]], which isn't interpreted as an interwiki. But if this content is ever moved to its proper domain, this would once again become an unwanted interwiki. So could these old style interwikis be disabled on a Zeelandic Wiktionary? After all, we don't really need them anymore since Wikidata was created. Steinbach (talk) 14:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(P.S. To be sure: shortcuts like [[w:xx:yyy]], [[wikt:xx:yyy]] or [[species:xxx]] should remain possible.) Steinbach (talk) 14:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand it, IPA actually uses a similar but different sign to indicate vowel length, so that could be a partial solution. Of course, entering it would be very complicated ... I'm not sure what can be done. Maybe post on m:Tech as well to attract some more technical experts to have a look at it. --MF-W {a, b} 13:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]


{{#language:ary|zgh}} gives Moroccan Arabic instead of ⵜⴰⵄⵕⴰⴱⵜ ⵜⴰⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱⵉⵜ, and {{#language:he|zgh}} gives Hebrew instead of ⵜⴰⵄⵉⴱⵔⵉⵜ, same thing for some other language names are untranslated or translated incorrectly. How can this be fixed? And where?--Brahim-essaidi (talk) 18:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have forwarded this message to the en.wp technical village pump - hopefully someone can answer it there. - Xbspiro (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Language names come from CLDR data. There are some instructions at translatewiki:CLDR, but I'm having difficulty understanding them. Pppery (talk) 00:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Brahim-essaidi: It seems like the data you are looking for is on st.unicode.org and we take that data from there. (Thanks for Pppery and Xaosflux ([2]) for the tip.)
As for why English language names appear at times: that is the default fallback language for missing parts on Wikimedia.
As far as I understand there are two input periods a year, which is followed by a voting period to confirm translations. You will need an account there to edit. (Expect broken links on the help pages, as they seem to have been moved recently.)
I am not familiar with that system, and look forward for your feedback, so that we could mention this on our help pages - this is something that new languages to Wikimedia will regularly run into. - Xbspiro (talk) 01:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery, Xbspiro, Xaosflux: thanks for your answers, I will try to understand how it works, then I give you my feedback--Brahim-essaidi (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've seen during a short review the only thing for us (project communities and developers) to "do" is wait. If the data is inaccurate upstream at unicode.org, you would want to follow up on their process. Xaosflux (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the data here is not inaccurate, merely missing. The non-English incorrect translations like Taɛebrit come from the fact that Kabyle (kab) is defined as a fallback language for Standard Moroccan Tamazight (zgh). Since the language name of Hebrew has not been translated into Standard Moroccan Tamazight, the Kabyle translation is used instead. Pppery (talk) 03:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the CLDR survey tool is now open. Pppery (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What to do with Wt/sco?

Suggested by scowiki, their community is planned to use Define namespace to create dictionary articles, this portal page says "Existing contents in Incubator will be moved there in the future." Wondering if this migration should be happened or not? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unheard of that multiple projects would run under the same aegis. (Pro: it sidesteps that non-wp projects tend to have less activity and, in turn, are more vulnerable to vandalism.) Meta lists a few examples: Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wiktionary. - Xbspiro (talk) 20:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226: Can you reword that last question? I'm not sure if you're asking "Should this occur at all?" or "Has this already happened (and therefore the local content should be deleted)?" or maybe something else. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Better to ask @GZWDer: who added the tag on Wt/sco. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Community notification: A Hatch-Tyap-Wikipedia In-Person Training Event 2 (Kaduna Special Edition)

Greetings all! This is to notify you all of our application for rapid grant funds to enable us carry out our intended project to recruit more editors to translate on the Tyap Incubator (Wp/kcg) so as to get a domain soon. Here is the link to endorse this grant submission. Regards. Kambai Akau (talk) 22:52, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My test-administratorship

Please remove my test wiki administrator, thanks.  Doku tám 04:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mạnh An (discussioncontribs) 04:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Done, best regards --MF-W {a, b} 22:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please, import

Please, import pages from this category to Wp/sro. 13:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That incubator wiki is completely inactive and it always was, it doesn't even have a single article. The users using the Campidanese orthography publish their articles in sc.wiki. That's why we have templates and guidelines there regarding how to deal with different orthographies of the same language. --L2212 (talk) 15:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Today wikipedia in campidanese Wp/sro/ Campidanese-sardo, has 48 pages and 10 categories. We are looking for users interested in the project.--Fausta Samaritani (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the Logo of Wikipedia Batak Toba

If you look at the Wikipedia Batak Toba proposal, the Proposer did not attach any files in the 'Logo' section, now my question is, is it possible for me to propose a logo for Wikipedia Batak Toba? Thanks. --ProudBatak (talk) 07:17, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can simply edit the appropriate part of the table at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Toba Batak to add a logo. --MF-W {a, b} 00:38, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, Thanks! --ProudBatak (talk) 09:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Searching for all the templates of a test wiki

How can one search for all the templates of a test wiki? On Special:Search, "subpages of this page" does not yield results for "Wn/hu" or "Template:Wn/hu", and "page title contains" lists everything regardless of what namespace filters are used. Any ideas? - Xbspiro (talk) 15:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Xbspiro: E.g. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Wp%2Fbbc%2F&namespace=10 Let me know if you need more help. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, this one does the job. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:02, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Display titles (Translate extension)

It is nice to have titles which can be understood by those who do not speak English, but I think it creates a slight problem: the readers might not know what the original title is (XY/ISO code), and later they might not find the content they are looking for (given how search works). I don't think titles should be marked for translation, but adding an extra line under the original title for a translation might be a solution to this. (In the original English version this line would be commented out.) What are your thoughts?

(On another note: it also bugs me that I cannot create talkpages for site-wide templates, because the software orders me to create them with prefixes. Could this be circumvented somehow? Maybe an admin could create them blank, so that others could edit them?) - Xbspiro (talk) 06:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@MF-Warburg: Any idea on how we can do this? I am also unable to create certain pages without a prefix. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 11:36, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
About the first suggestion, I don't know if it's possible to add an extra line under the title. In general, I have no preference about whether page titles should be translated or not. - About the second one, the MediaWiki:Titleblacklist entry would have to be adjusted to allow Template_talk creations. Given the low number of non-prefixed templates, I'm hesitant to do so. An admin could certainly create them. If any are needed, please let me know and I'll do it. --MF-W {a, b} 14:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: I can't create Template:Re with #REDIRECT [[Template:Ping]]. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 06:31, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have done so. --MF-W {a, b} 16:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Solved it, seems like I have to set my user preference to maintenance. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 08:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]