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Taclḥit wikipedia (wp/shi):

Hi i'm one of the test-administrators of this project.

Can someone of @language committee be kind enough to make us aware about the situation of our project on the approbation process.

Best regards

Lhoussine AIT TAYFST (talk) 09:34, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lhoussine AIT TAYFST: Hello. Language committee periodically checks active projects to see if the appropriate level of activity has been reached. If language Committee seems to have missed your project even though there is enough activity, leave your message in m:Talk:Language committee. My personal opinion is that if multiple users are consistently active for several months more on your project, the chances of getting approved are significant. --Sotiale (talk) 10:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welcome-translations

{{Welcome-translations}} is transcluded on several talkpages, including mine. Currently, the template displays all its welcome lines at once (in bulk), instead of showing just one line. The language selector menu does not work (for me at least). I don't know how to fix this. - Xbspiro (talk) 04:22, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. I don't know it either, but I take this occasion to suggest we just remove the translations. It's not like translating this one line serves much of a useful purpose. --MF-W {a, b} 04:24, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The translated welcome templates themselves have their own welcome lines already. Please go ahead. - Xbspiro (talk) 04:55, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Removed the non-English texts, but didn't delete the template as it has so many uses. I don't know if the fuss is worth it to subst it everywhere. --MF-W {a, b} 17:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assamese wiktionary test's main page

Wt/as/বেটুপাত seems to be the real main page, but there is also Wt/as/Main Page. What should be done? -- Intolerable situation (talk) 08:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Intolerable situation: You may try to merge the pages. Projects usually use the translated main page title. If the content of Wt/as/Main Page should be kept (which seems to be a welcoming message), insert the text into Wt/as/বেটুপাত to an appropriate place. Then you can redirect Wt/as/Main Page to Wt/as/বেটুপাত by replacing its content with #REDIRECT[[Wt/as/বেটুপাত]]. - Xbspiro (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Intolerable situation (talk) 03:37, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Yesterday a vandal was detected on the lmo wiktionary. I need information on how to report vandalism.--Gat lombart (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can report it on I:AN. --MF-W {a, b} 13:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is noting the source of the translation useful?

I created a template prototype at User:JsfasdF252/Translated from (creating pages with unprefixed titles directly in template namespace seems to be impossible). It accepts the English name of the page being translated and the specific diff of the source page. It would probably be more useful if you could specify a different source language. JsfasdF252 (talk) 17:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Where would it be used? --MF-W {a, b} 18:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would be used on translated pages of test wikis. JsfasdF252 (talk) 18:38, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixing module

Can anyone fix this Module:Wp/bdr/Documentation/config? It is not displayed as a module. --Tofeiku (talk) 18:49, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tofeiku: Has the problem been solved? --Sotiale (talk) 06:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Language Requests

Hello! Where do I find a comprehensive list of Wikipedia language requests please? I'm trying to figure out if there is a request for a Moselle Franconian Wikipedia or if there was one in the past. --Son-of-my-comfort (talk) 17:27, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

m:Category:Requests for new languages. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Desktop Improvements will soon be available!

An annotated screenshot of the new interface

Hello

We are happy to announce that the Desktop Improvements will be deployed on your wiki in less than two weeks. The interface will be adjusted to the needs of the community and readers of your wiki.

How would the change work?

  • All new features will be visible by default.
  • These are changes for Vector only (it's the default skin), which means that all users of Monobook or other skins will not see the difference.
  • Those who prefer to keep the current Vector view will be able to do so via a link in the sidebar or using their user preferences - our refined interface will be Vector, and the unchanged Vector will be called Legacy Vector.
  • We will not change the article content (as marked on the screenshot to the right), and we will not remove any functionality (our plan is to rearrange and improve them).

What changes are we going to introduce?

In less than two weeks, we will deploy:

  • A smaller header. This will allow us to later make the header sticky and visible all the time (without needing to scroll up).
  • A collapsible sidebar. It will make it easier not to get distracted when reading.
  • Limited width for articles. This will allow users to read more quickly and lead to better retention of the text itself. This functionality will not affect the Special pages.
  • Improved search widget with images and descriptions for each suggested page.
  • Improved link colors wchich will make links more easy to notice.

You can learn more about the following changes.

Gadgets' compatibility

With these changes, some existing gadgets and user scripts might need to be updated or might become redundant or obsolete. We will provide support for users who would like to maintain the compatibility.

How can you participate?

  • [Everyone] Share your feedback! What do you like? What would you like to see changed? Some preferences are known already, since our changes are based on data: research and community feedback. But there's still a lot of details to refine!
  • [Tech-oriented] Report bugs and follow our messages about gadgets and scripts which would need to be updated to maintain compatibility.
  • [Translators] Translate the documentation on MediaWiki.org.

Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IW on Wikidata

tracked at phab:T54971

It seems that now there is an Add links option in the sidebar under languages. (It might have been there for some time, and maybe I have just overlooked it up until now.)

It seems that Wikidata does not handle Incubator yet (at least Incubator is not a valid wiki under Multilingual sites). Clicking on Add links sometimes redirects to Create a new Item on Wikidata (example: Template:Wn/hu/Irányelv-navigáció[1]) - it auto-fills incubatorwiki in as Site of the first linked page, but I am not sure if it would work.

Do we want to keep this sidebar-option? - Xbspiro (talk) 00:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Xbspiro: Better to keep, we really want it, just like Multilingual Wikisource. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:12, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would welcome this feature as well - but currently it does not seem to be fully implemented and might cause confusion among newbies. - Xbspiro (talk) 01:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The random button is not language sensitive

The language button on left actually takes you to any random language place. Bug? --Greatder (talk) 15:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Special:RandomByTest? It depends on the test-wiki preference you set for yourself. If none, then it shows a random main space page. --MF-W {a, b} 17:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@MF-Warburg: How can I change it to within the specific language? --Greatder (talk) 06:01, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On Special:Preferences there is a setting Test wiki: and Test wiki language:. --MF-W {a, b} 16:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

I'd like to start reverting vandalism here. Is twinkle a thing here? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Derpdart56 (discussioncontribs) 15:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Derpdart56: This is a bit of a late reply but there is no local Twinkle here. You can use Twinkle Global, by adding m:User:Xiplus/TwinkleGlobal to your global.js file on meta. --Ferien (talk) 20:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I ask for a bot intervention

In order to correct a spelling mistake we need the intervention of a bot for the Lombard language wiktionary: the job to do is to replace the word "indoe" with "indove" in all the pages prefixed Wt/lmo--Gat lombart (talk) 12:07, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes check.svg Done Tahmid02016 (talk) 09:12, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tahmid02016: Thank you --Gat lombart (talk) 15:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient language issue

I am creating an incubator for Ancient Meitei language (language code:omp). But something I have heard that ancient language test wiki will not be accepted and approved as an independent Wikipedia after its incubation period. Seriously, I am really confused, whether to start omp in Wikimedia incubator or wiki source wiki! Haoreima (talk) 04:49, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Db

This discussion continues an archived one: Incubator:Community_Portal/Archive/2020#Template:Db.

Conflicts with protective software

I found, after getting a VPN account two years ago, that I couldn't edit on WP because all it received to identify me was an IP address located in Texas that was probably used by many with problems, i.e, vandalism, COI, paid editing, etc. So I had to quickly terminate the service or quit editing.

This week I got an anti-track program. It caused WP/WM to fail to recognize my log in credentials and when I tried to enter a new password, I repeatedly got the message that my newly chosen password, blind-typed into two boxes (create and repeat) didn't match, though I tried to change them, over and over. It caused me to be blocked for a day as I repeatedly tried to correct the problem and exceeded the permissible attempts.

This is just a heads up for someone who has the ability to either fix the apparent problems or to warn other editors about the potential conflicts. Activist (talk) 07:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi User:Activist. I see you have the global ip block exemption now, and I hope it fixes your problems. However, I do wonder: why did you post this here on Incubator, where this is your first edit? :-) --MF-W {a, b} 14:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki request

Please, transwiki Wp/yrk/Поговорим на ненецком языке to voy:ru:Ненецкий разговорник. 217.117.125.83 17:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We cannot do this. You need to request it at the target wikis. --MF-W {a, b} 09:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Bots

Hello! Does anyone know if there's a bot that adds interlanguage links (e.g. [[en:France]]) that's still active? --PastelKos (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this was MerlIwBot, whose operator, User:Merlissimo, is unfortunately inactive since a few years already. --MF-W {a, b} 09:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria for admission

Hi,

According to the Manual: "Content work is the most important thing. Write and maintain articles. It can sometimes take a long time before your wiki is approved." I'm considering working on a language for a new Wikipedia but I'd like to know how much time it takes, for instance having orders of magnitude of:

  • How many active users are required? Or what was the average/median number of active users of the most recently approved new Wikipedias?
  • Same questions for the total number of articles (in the main space) and/or bytes/characters (to exclude super short articles)?
  • For accepted projects, what was the minimum/average/median/maximum months/years between the creation of the Incubator version and its approval?

I understand that it's not only a matter of quantity and that the quality of the articles is extremely important but I think these metrics would be helpful to set up goals for the community and motivate contributors.

I thought I could manually check Incubator:Site creation log and look at approved projects and see how many articles they had but it seems that the version on Incubator is deleted a few months after it is approved. That's why I'm asking this question :) A455bcd9 (talk) 22:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I guess you can see meta:Request for new languages. Hope your Wikipedia gets approved! <atomi20>¿some problem? 10:03 AM, 30 June 2021 (UTC -5)
@A455bcd9: See m:langcom. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Atomi20:, thank. Unfortunately the page you linked says "This page doesn't currently exist; you can search this title in other pages or edit this page.", what was the intended link?
@Koavf:, thanks, I checked this page, but I can't see the answers to my questions, what did you have in mind? A455bcd9 (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@A455bcd9: Sorry, it was meta:Requests for new languages. There you can see some examples of requests and see the card at the right of "Language committee" for help with the Langcom. <atomi20>¿some problem? 10:32 AM, 30 June 2021 (UTC -5)
@A455bcd9: What I mean is, they are the ones who make these decisions. Their decision-making process is also not 100% transparent of predictable. E.g. it's not "If you have 1,000 articles, six active users, and have at least 30 edits per day for more than 60 days, you will be approved" (tho that would be a nice start). —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I totally understand that their decision-making process is not 100% transparent or predictable and I think it's okay. That's why I wanted data to know the minimum/maximum/average/median. m:Language proposal policy says: " At least five active users must edit that language regularly before a test project will be considered successful." but nothing more... It's quite disappointing :( A455bcd9 (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it's possible to easily get these data, since - as you say - the pages are mostly deleted now. Some things like number of articles and their sizes could maybe be deduced from initial dumps of the subdomains. Approval by langcom is solely based on the fact of whether a sustainable community of at least several users exists to ensure that a new wiki will continue to be active; not on the number of articles or the time it has already existed. --MF-W {a, b} 09:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change directionality & font

Hi, With @AdrianAbdulBaha: and others we want to contribute to Wp/ajp. But we have two issues:

  • Directionality: this Wikipedia is written with the Arabic script but the directionality is setup as left-to-right. How can we change it to right to left?
  • Font: apparently on Windows (I'm on MacOS so I don't know) ajp (and also apc) fonts aren't displayed correctly. The problem doesn't exist for arz (Egyptian), ary (Moroccan), Wp/arq (Algerian). More details can be found here. How can we solve this problem on the ajp Wikipedia?

A455bcd9 (talk) 12:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, ajp defaults to Arial, which is also how ar Wikipedia appears to me. Meanwhile, ary Wikipedia displays in Segoe UI & arz Wikipedia — & Persian Wikipedia, for what it's worth — displays in Tahoma (which is what we want to use). It seems there must be a way to choose which of these fonts to display on Wikipedia. Also, I believe all three of these fonts are installed in all Windows computers by default, so it's not a matter of having to download a language pack on the user's end. AdrianAbdulBaha (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I created a pull request here to solve the issue, based on advice I received on the Moroccan Arabic Wikipedia (see here).
We still have the font issue to solve though... A455bcd9 (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is this still a problem? --MF-W {a, b} 12:16, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
The directionality issue was solved for the Incubator by your edit on MediaWiki:Common.css, thanks a lot!
Regarding the font, it looks fine on macOS, iOS, and Android. On Windows some users (such as @AdrianAbdulBaha:) don't like the Arabic font used on Wp/ajp. However, it is the same font as the one used on the Arabic (ar) Wikipedia, with millions of visitors. (On the other hand, on the English Wikipedia and on other Wikimedia projects the font used on texts tagged with "ajp" is really hard to read on Windows and we're still looking for a solution, cf. this new Phabricator ticket and this template with a temporary solution) So even though it could be improved, I think it's okay for now and not really important at this stage. The technicalities can be resolved later. For instance once the test project is more active or once the "real" Wikipedia is created we may consider setting up a specific font for ajp (arz did that on their Wikipedia for instance, but in any case it would require contributors to agree on a common font...).
That's why I consider that the issue is fixed for the Incubator. But this is only my opinion and other contributors may think differently. Thanks for your help. A455bcd9 (talk) 07:49, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Simple English Wikivoyage

I would like to propose to start incubating the Simple English Wikivoyage. In some area's of the current English Wikivoyage, the understand section may be hard for some non native english speakers, and most of the time, except for the English Wikivoyage, the relevant language wikivoyage only has whichever country article it relates to, and major world cities. While I'm saying this as a native en speaker from Australia, there's a lot of countries that have english as an official language, but have numerous local languages which don't have its own language Wikivoyage, in particular, some of the Indian, South African, and Nigerian areas.

I also believe that a simple english wikivoyage may also be more beneficial for someone wishing to print out their items for travel, but don't want to read the whole history and wordy bits, that take some time, and for those who read it on mobile, it may chew up mobile data in some areas.

Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk) 12:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, simple projects have generally been discouraged and it's very unlikely that any more would be accepted or were simple.wp or simple.wikt proposed today, they would not have been approved. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]