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Template Translation for Incubator[edit]

I am unable to translate this template: fr:Modèle:Infobox Graphème into english and khowar. Can anybody translate this from french language to english. This template is necessary for creating pages of six uniquely pronounced special characters of Khowar Language, Please translate this into english so that i'll translate this into Khowar language. This template is only available in French Wikipedia. Regards -- RAChitrali 01:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll try to tackle in the next day or two. What I think I'd like to do is this:
  • You create a template page in the Khowar test where you would like this to go. (You can create it with simple text like "placeholder".)
  • I will import the template from French Wikipedia, then translate it in place into English.
  • Then you translate it in place to Khowar.
OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Stock post message.svg Doing...  Didn't hear from you. Imported to User:StevenJ81/Modèle:Infobox Graphème along with a documentation subpage. This will take a while; please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I want to create in khowar like this[1] Thanks --RAChitrali 15:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Where can I request to test my bot?[edit]

R96340 (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your bot does, but the usual place to test things like that is not Incubator, but rather one of the test platforms, like Test Wikipedia. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I want to import 20 000 word to arq wiktionary[edit]

Hi i want to create approximately 20000 articles with autowikibrowser - :My question is : is the auto creation without restriction or we should to create or we do not must exceed a predefined number per minute ? --Bachounda (talk) 15:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I tried doing a similar thing on arq Wiktionary before (~100 words), however, I regretted it. There is no standard orthography, you might change your mind later on as I did. You might also want to change the layout of entries. My suggestion is to try doing it manually. You will encounter some problems and you'll do some changes along the way.
P.S: Apparently you have already done that. However, words are not spelled correctly, for instance, هواء should be spelled هوا because there is no glottal stop in Darja. Another example is هواء المضغوط, the definite article ǝl- here is incorrect. Furthermore, the layout needs improvement. Finally, all the articles that you created are using unprefixed templates.
Given all these reasons, I suggest that you don't do it this way. Or at least, standardize the orthography and decide on a good entry layout before importing the words. You might also want to add definitions or at least one example to every word. The lack of a standard spelling system is what made me stop from contributing to the project temporarily. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thank you for the message talk . si vous avez du temps on pourra discuter en directe et se mettre d'accord car j'ai ce fichier depuis il ya de cela 3 ans et je n'ai qu'une envie c'est de le mette en partage libre, une discussion approfondie s'impose, في أقرب وقت --Bachounda (talk) 21:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

More on Main Page[edit]

Given what we do here, I think we ought to change the "Wikisource" link on the bottom of the main page from English Wikisource to Old (Multilingual) Wikisource. Any thoughts?

I'm not sure one way or the other about Wikiversity, especially given that Beta Wikiversity might be on its last legs. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
No comments, so I'm doing. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Problem creating "Main category" for two projects in same language[edit]

I am working on two test projects and but I'm unable to create a main category for one of them. Category:Wp/dag is okay but when I try to create Category:Wk/dag it says "There is a page named "Category:Wp/dag/Wk/dag" on this wiki.", which is not what I want. There is no red link for me to follow to create Category:Wk/dag. -—M@sssly✉ 09:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Masssly: Wk is not a valid project type here, so that's why you're having a problem. Your choices are Wp (Wikipedia), Wt (Wiktionary), Wb (Wikibooks), Wq (Wikiquote), Wn (Wikinews) and Wy (Wikivoyage). Try one of those and let me know if there's a further problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
OK. I looked inside and saw what you tried to do. We don't usually do that, but I went ahead and moved your "Wp/dag/Wk/dag" to Category:Incubator:Test wikis/Dagbani tests, and also created Category:Wt/dag. See if you think I got this right. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Exactly what I wanted StevenJ81, thanks. A lot I still have to learn here :-) —M@sssly✉ 16:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Most of the time we don't create combination categories for all the projects of a single language. You can navigate between them easily enough from the root pages (Wp/dag, Wt/dag). To the extent it happens, it happens the way I did it—and you wouldn't have been able to create that category, because it's an unprefixed category page.
Anyway, welcome, and feel free to ask if you have any questions. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

An incubator with a lot of empty or nearly-empty pages[edit]

I was sad to discover today that the Bodo Wikipedia incubator (Wp/brx) consists of a lot of empty or mostly-empty pages.

I started marking them for deletion, but gave up after a bunch. There must be a better way to deal with this.

I'm not sure what it is though. The page title might be good, but are they actually useful? Probably not. Or should somebody with administrative rights just delete them directly without adding templates? Or maybe I'm exaggerating and they shouldn't be deleted at all?

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Amire80: Other than something outright illegal or untrue, why delete anything from the Incubator? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
One of the things that the Language committee checks before approving a project is the activity. There are many edits and pages, but very little content, so the current number is misleading. Also, "No meaningful content or history" is #1 in the Speedy deletion criteria. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
@Amire80: Of course it will never graduate from Incubator with a bunch of semi-empty pages but it also won't get approved by deleting them. Someone will make these pages sooner or later and if there's at least something there, it's that much less work to get started in the future. I don't think that content should be deleted from Incubator minus a few issues like doxxing or pages which are links to malware. Even more-or-less blank pages turn redlinks blue which is a start. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:55, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Before approval, wikis are thoroughly checked on contents. As most wikis even require an expert to confirm whether it is actually written in the supposed language, any wrong or empty content-wikis are clearly filtered out. --OWTB (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Well yeah, being part of the language committee, that's what I started doing to this language. Seeing that it has a lot of pages, I thought that perhaps it's close to being big enough for "graduation", but then I found that it clearly isn't. To prevent such confusion I thought of deleting the empty pages. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Amir. I'm not really sure what to do about this. Most of the content was provided by User:Mr. Nijwmsa Boro or by one of his many socks. I think this young man was trying to have some fun with all of this. But he eventually disappeared when I wouldn't give him test-admin rights and when I insisted he stick to a single account for editing. (In other words, I told him there are rules here.) On the whole, there is probably more than enough justification to delete most of the pages in the Bodo language tests.
At the same time, the usual practice in Incubator has been to leave any content that is inherently legitimate, more or less on the grounds that Justin has stated above, and for the same reason that people tend to !vote against closing projects on a larger scale: Maybe someone legitimate will eventually come by, and having something here as a start is better than not having anything.
I have recently deleted some pages from tests that were otherwise empty but had a start page created in a different language (English, for example), because all content should be in the language of the test. But as long as there is legitimate content in the test, in the right language, I've been inclined to leave it alone.
I don't know if LangCom formally has oversight responsibility for the Incubator or not. (MF-Warburg?) But remember, also, that our rules here are more lenient than the rules for a full project in a subdomain. As long as a language has a legitimate language code, it can run projects here. So with Bodo, I'm inclined to leave things alone.
There are probably at least a couple of hundred other test projects on this wiki that have even less real content than the Bodo Wikipedia. I'd delete those first, frankly. And I won't do that unless there is a formal change in policy here to support that. And I'm not sure who is even entitled to make such a change in policy. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Follow-up: @Amire80, Koavf: I deleted the pages you actually marked, because they really didn't have any meaningful content, and it wasn't worth the effort to undo the templating. I'd say as a rule, though, I wouldn't bother with this, because I'd rather leave things in place in the hope that someone else will eventually build the test.
And, Amir: חג שמח. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all of this StevenJ81! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Reverting over redirect? (Wp/ryu and Wt/ryu)[edit]

Just noticed a user moved a page in ryu wiki from Wp/ryu/みじ to Wp/ryu/ミジ and then edited the redirect page and prevented the article from moving back. How to get over the restriction and move the page back to under original article name?C933103 (talk) 04:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

This is marked for speedy deletion. After deletion, you may rename Wp/ryu/ミジ into correct name Wp/ryu/みじ. --Kaganer (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Can you two try to talk this over with the person who moved it first? Or do you have a strong sense that it is vandalism? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The entire incubator wiki is written in kanji plus hiragana. For the user who moved this page, his action on the wiki was initially changing all hiragana content to katakana, which then he changed some of them back but not all of them. And then the contributor started to change those content into latin characters, which some of them are reverted by another user citing discussion result in talk page.
Reverts I have done yesterday in the incubator was to clean up whatever the contributor have changed content script without consensus or asking others.
The said contributor now opened a latin character homepage for the incubator wiki and have also made some latin character articles and template for the wiki too so it seems like he understand about it too and they can somehow coexists although it is the first time I see the kind of romanization that contributor have been using.C933103 (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The said user also added hundreds of entry into wt/ryu but all of them are in latin and most of them are actually words from Ukrain/Macedonian/Polish/Croatian/Slovak/Turkmen language.. not saying they're bad or anything but just that it is a pretty strange choice of starting point.... especially when most of them are just numbers/month names in different article and those articles are created in the same format of "==(language name in ryukyuan)== ===(Ryukyuan word for number/month)=== # (the number/month name in ryukyuan) [[Category:Wt/ryu]]".C933103 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. I'll do the fixes you requested. Where is the talk page for this overall discussion? StevenJ81 (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
See Talk:Wp/ryu/メインページ for historical discussion, and editor comments in edit history of Wp/ryu/メインページ for editor exchange. C933103 (talk) 19:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. Thank you. Please let me know if you need further help. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Namespaces[edit]

What are the namespaces that can be translated into the language of the wikipedia test? I know that some namespaces have special functions, and that translating them will break these functions as the software doesn't recognize the translated term. --ⵎⵓⵄⴰⴷ ⴱⵓⴼⵔⴰⴹ (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: One set of namespaces which we can't have here are those relying on mw:Extension:Proofread Page, such as Index and Page. This is one reason why s:mul: still exists. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Unfortunately I didn't understand your response, I'm a just a beginner at Wikimedia Incubator. The namespaces that I know are those mentionned in this article. I heard that Category and Template namespaces mustn't be translated, however, the Portal and Wikipedia namespaces can be translated, is that right? --ⵎⵓⵄⴰⴷ ⴱⵓⴼⵔⴰⴹ (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ: Those namespaces are definitely translated elsewhere. Localization is part of the process of creating a local wiki. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 15:44, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: I will give some concrete examples because I don't think that our issue is related to localisation. To create a template or a category, we name it this way: Template:Wp/zgh/Name of the template or Category:Wp/zgh/Name of the category. However, to name a portal or a help page, we do it this way: Wp/zgh/Awwur:Name of the portal, Wp/zgh/Tiwisi:Name of the help page. What do you think? --ⵎⵓⵄⴰⴷ ⴱⵓⴼⵔⴰⴹ (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ:, yes, that's correct. Basically anything after Wp/zgh/ should be in Tamaziɣt. "Category" and "Template" should be translated in translatewiki.net --GeekEmad (talk) 18:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
All of the above is correct. But if and when Wp/zgh is exported into a subdomain, if namespace names are in English, they will still be transferred correctly. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Template error Wp/khw[edit]

Dear sirs/madams I am unable to fix this template[2] can anybody help me to fix the unexpected error of this template? Thanks --RAChitrali 04:16, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks like your template calls are unprefixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Haitian Creole (correct name for this language is Kreyòl Ayisien)[edit]

This page has some extraneous html that has messed up the page title. I tried a move but couldn't do it because of the dis-allowed characters. It should just be 'Paj prinsipal'.
Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS) (talk) 16:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): It is already at "Paj Prensipal". —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
@Barbara (WVS): If you're wondering about the "Wt/ht/" part, those are prefixes that are required for all projects on Incubator. Feel free to discuss with me at my talk page or by email. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I didn't know that. Thank you.
Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS) (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Root category?[edit]

What is this root category thing: Category:Wp/xyz ? Is this category necessary? I didn't find any help page on this category even if it is commonly used in wikipedia projects, so what is it exactly? --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 23:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: Root categories are the most fundamental or basic categories: something has to be the final category that contains all other categories. For all of Incubator, that is Category:(-ALL-). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: I have read this response on the same topic, what do you say about it? I guess there is something wrong with the way we use this category. --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 14:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ: I don't think the category is broken--it's just that a lot of features of MediaWiki aren't made with a project like Incubator or s:mul: in mind. :/ —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
As explained in the link, you can use the category for counting the pages of your test-wiki. The "but for the root category we cannot remove it" part does not apply anymore. Incubator admins are indifferent about whether you want to use it or not. --MF-W {a, b} 14:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, a relatively new feature of Cat-a-lot makes it pretty easy to add or remove the root category from every page with a given prefix. So on the whole, I think you can feel comfortable using it, knowing that it's easily enough removed if/when the test is exported. At the same time, you certainly don't have to. Personally, I've been making sure that tests have a root category, because that's one way we can count the number of tests that exist here. But like MF-W, I'm indifferent to whether it gets used any further than that. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I determine depth in a DynamicPageList?[edit]

I have been composing a new main page for Dutch Wikinews. There are several blocks that are not functioning on the main page, because my DynamicPageList only lists the articles in the main category, and not of the subcategories. A good example is the second block at the right: "Caribisch Nederland". In the main category are 4 articles and the main page (fixed version) (fixed template) shows these 4 pages. However, the main page should list the latest 7 articles in all (sub)categories. Can someone help please to solve this problem? Thanks in advance! Ymnes (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Geobox error[edit]

Can anybody help us to fix this geobox error?[3] Thanks --RAChitrali 09:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Re-proposal to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator[edit]

Hello. After the closure of the first attempt, the second attempt to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator is made soon. Please comment there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 02:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Basically I would still support as it can ease phab:T54971 work (otherwise @George Ho: how do you consider this task?) --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Edits from Incubator to Wikinews NL[edit]

Hello everyone, A couple of days ago, after working a long time in the Incubator on the Wn/nl (Wikinews Dutch), the project is approved and now has it own wiki. A problem is that my contributions have not been transferred to the new wiki. Contributions Incubator <> Contributions Wikinews NL. On Wikinews NL, my first edit is on July 6, but on Incubator on January 19. Other users doesn't have this problem, only me. How can this be fixed? Thanks in advance! Livenws (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Callng @MF-Warburg ... StevenJ81 (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
This is because your account on nl.wikinews didn't exist yet when the pages were imported. This is the known bug phabricator:T36873. --MF-W {a, b} 03:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the information! Livenws (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Account creator flag and workshops[edit]

Moved from I:AN. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
User:Benoit Rochon, head of Wikimedia Canada, suspects he may need "account creator" from time to time to run workshops for a new test wiki in Innu-aimun, an indigenous Canadian language. Is there a reason that we don't have the right to grant and remove this flag? Would anyone have a problem if I put in a phabricator for that? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: Point is moot in this case, because he's a sysop on frwiki, so can create accounts from there. But as a general rule, why wouldn't we want to be able to do this, in case a chapter is running a workshop in a test wiki language? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I think nobody knows why the default configuration is that no local groups can grant this right. I have no problem with allowing the granting and removing of it to sysops or bureaucrats. Though I think configuration changes should be proposed on I:CP :P --MF-W {a, b} 20:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Just wanted a quick consult here first. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

end of moved section
For the community at large:

I propose that full administrators and bureaucrats be allowed to set and remove the flag "account creator". This user right is automatically a part of the tools that administrators and bureaucrats themselves can use. Currently, the only other accounts on Incubator that have this user right are bots.

  • Under ordinary circumstances, a maximum of six accounts can be created from a single IP address within a 24-hour period. The purpose of this limitation is to prevent the automated creation of unlimited spam and vandalism accounts from a single location. And under ordinary circumstances, this limitation doesn't really get in the way of responsible people creating accounts for their own use, or even for use by themselves and a member or two of a family at once.
  • Sometimes, however, different organizations—for example, educational institutions, Wikimedia chapters, and the like—may run workshops to encourage people to contribute to Wikimedia projects. In this case, many people may try to create accounts at once from a single location, and then will run up against this limitation.
  • As long as an administrator or bureaucrat is involved in the workshop, that is not a problem. But in some of the small language communities we have here on Incubator, that could easily become a problem, because most of those communities do not have administrators or bureaucrats that speak the language. My feeling is that it might be very worthwhile for some of the test wiki communities here to consider running programs like this, and to encourage others in their home communities to participate in the tests.
  • As an example, Wikimedia Canada is about to start workshops in Innu-aimun. After its recent success in working on the Atikamekw Wikipedia test, and having it successfully launched as its own project, it wants to move on to tackle another language of a Canadian First Nation (fr). It will do this by running workshops for that community, which may require more than six accounts to be created from the workshop location of the course of a day or two.

In order to facilitate tests like this, I would like us to be able to set and remove this user right locally. (Currently, it requires a steward request at m:SRP.) Assuming the community approves this request, we will lay out some rules for its use. However, we would tentatively assume the following:

  • This right would be granted only for the purpose of a specific event. The event would require a responsible sponsor, and we would need to have access to some publicity for the event. The right would be granted temporarily, and would expire after the event.
  • This right would only be granted to trusted users—normally test administrators, or others with a history of responsible editing and/or advanced user rights on Wikimedia projects.

I will leave this proposal up for seven days to request comments. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • StevenJ81 (talk) as proposer. 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Amqui (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • --MF-W {a, b} 22:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

General discussion[edit]

  • @MF-Warburg: I'm going to file a phabricator on this later today. On most wikis the only right this group has is (noratelimit). But enwiki also includes (override-antispoof) and (tboverride-account). I don't think I'd overwrite the account blacklist, but I could argue either way on the antispoof issue (EventAcct1, EventAcct2, etc.). Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Does antispoof prevent such accounts? I thought it only is for preventing trickery like registering "ΜF-Warburg" where the Μ is actually a Greek letter. --MF-W {a, b} 14:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
You're right. I misunderstood. OK, no need for an override for that, then. Will get this underway. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Result[edit]

Stock post message.svg Doing...  No objections. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

See task phabricator:T171751. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Thanks to User:MarcoAurelio for his help. Note that to simplify the execution, the right to grant and remove this flag was granted to 'crats, not sysops. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@Benoit Rochon: You can still use French Wikipedia for your events if that's easier for you. But we can now flag you as account creator here, and then you can create the accounts directly on Incubator if you prefer. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Translatewiki[edit]

How can I translate the messages needed for Wikipedia without being able to choose Coptic as a translate language? Can anyone help me? Greetings User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ

@ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ: You will have to talk to the community at http://translatewiki.net/--they are responsible for translating MediaWiki's interface. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I just tried that. I created an account and can't edit anything, not even discussion pages. User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ
@ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ: That is odd. I know that if you want to translate things, you have to have certain user rights but editing a talk page should be available to most anyone. You can see if @Nemo bis: can help you maybe. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Also calling @Amire80. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I just accepted your request for translator rights on TWN. You can now edit pages. --MF-W {a, b} 21:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ 7/29/2017
User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ, the Coptic language is supposed to be fully enabled in translatewiki.net now. I see that you already started translating :)
I suggest reading the following pages for some tips:
Thanks for your contributions! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Wp/skr[edit]

@MF-Warburg: sir and @StevenJ81: Dear sirs, I am pleased to inform you the Saraiki Community of Wp/skr requested for enabling the Interface language Saraiki, is it possible? Please help the Saraiki Language Communities in Pakistan and India if Possible. Thanks--RAChitrali 17:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
The community needs to translate the interface at translatewiki.net. Start here: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&language=skr&group=core-0-mostused&filter=%21translated. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Saraiki is not supported at https://translatewiki.net. Thanks Kindly now create the sites Wp/skr and Wt/skr.Sraiki (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
You'll have to speak with translatewiki.net about that. Go to translatewiki:Support and ask to have skr supported there. (Calling @MF-Warburg and @Amire80.) StevenJ81 (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand the question. This language is already enabled. You can switch to it using the language selector next to the username at the top of the page. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:18, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@Amire80: But why neither [4] nor [5] are working well? Something is still broken in ULS? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Sraiki, Liuxinyu970226, this should be fixed in translatewiki.net now. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Boilerplate text is excluding Wikispecies[edit]

Over at any newly-created wiki (today, wm2018: and hi:v: were made but it also applies to actual Incubator graduates), there is a boilerplate main page which reads something like:

This subdomain is reserved for the creation of a [project] in [x] language

    Please do not start editing this new site. This site has a test project on the Wikimedia Incubator (or on the Beta Wikiversity or on the Old Wikisource) and it will be imported to here.

    If you would like to help translating the interface to this language, please do not translate here, but go to translatewiki.net, a special wiki for translating the interface. That way everyone can use it on every wiki using the same software.

    For information about how to edit and for other general help, see Help on Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki or Help on MediaWiki.org.

Sister projects

Wikipedia | Wiktionary | Wikibooks | Wikinews | Wikiquote | Wikisource | Wikiversity | Wikivoyage | Wikidata | Commons

See Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki for the coordination of these projects.

Why does this text not mention Wikispecies? How can I get it amended to include this other sister? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Detaching Wy/ko from Incubator[edit]

How to detach some project from incubator? In case of Korean wikivoyage, there are some request detaching from incubator. See here.--Altostratus (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Altostratus, -revi, MF-Warburg: As a general rule, there are two things that the Language Committee and WMF want to see in order to approve a new project: (1) content, and (2) an active community which will ensure that at least initially the project will remain active after it is exported from Incubator.
  • With respect to content, there are no fixed rules as to how many pages there need to be, only that there is a reasonable amount of non-trivial content. Ultimately, Language Committee would decide whether the content you have now is sufficient, but it is always helpful to continue adding content. (My own view is that you are on the borderline for this now.)
  • With respect to activity, LangCom wants to see a period of at least three consecutive months where there are at least three active editors having ten or more edits each during each month. The three active editors don't have to be the same every month—just that there have to be three editors during each month. And then that activity level needs to be maintained until approval and export. Korean Wikivoyage has never met that activity standard for three consecutive months, and has not even met it for a single month since January 2014. So unquestionably you will need to get some community of contributors together and contributing in order for the LangCom to consider a project approval. (I appreciate that some people are saying that people won't contribute until the project is exported. I can't help you with that apparent Catch-22, and so encourage you to recruit additional contributors anyway.)
I gather from m:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Korean that there was an old Wikitravel domain here, but that there was apparently little useful information there. If you want to go back and review that and bring anything worthwhile from there to here please feel free. That will help on the content side. But until you have an active community the project will not be approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that kowikivoyage is better left at incubator... Various other sisterprojects in Korean which left the incubator tells the future if it gets a dedicated domain: it'll die. — regards, Revi 10:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment Comment Hungarian and Japanese Wikivoyages are likely, they're marked as (questionable?!) Approved on Meta-Wiki list of RFL requests, but not on their request pages (still phase I submitted), and per Catanalysis tool (only "Verified as eligible" and "Approved" requests are included):
projects pages editors edits
Wy/ar 1735 284 7690
Wy/hy 85 22 218
Wy/bg 140 21 402
Wy/da 471 47 2397
Wy/eo 2030 67 20685
Wy/ka 288 18 1902
Wy/hu 197 21 558
Wy/id 938 66 2566
Wy/ja 202 55 633
Wy/ko 394 99 2298
Wy/mr 122 14 457
Wy/sk 118 17 837
Wy/tl 6 9 15
Wy/ta 287 23 734
Wy/th 330 40 2168
Wy/tr 152 55 573
Wy/vep 23 8 113
Wy/diq 1005 46 3655

Those datas are much better than Wikiversity as their "test-projects" are also having machine translations which so-called as fluency-from-random-Wikipedias (not surprise, my another reason that I support migrating Beta Wikiversity back to Incubator is because our Incubator are having very well RTL interface which is required by Muslim/Judaic editors), but not better than Wiktionary which most de-facto-Wikipedia-only languages are using WT as 2nd test-project. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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