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• Русский: Смело задавайте свои вопросы ниже, желательно на английском или любом другом из наиболее распространённых языков мира. См. Incubator:Administrators чтобы подать запрос на статус администратора или запросить переименование своего аккаунта. Если нужна помощь, см. Help:Contents/ru или Help:Manual/ru.
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• Esperanto: Demandu laŭvole en ĉi tiu paĝo, precipe anglalingve, sed ankaŭ en alia el la plej gravaj lingvoj en la mondo. Por rehavi vian uzantokonton, aŭ ŝanĝi vian uzantonomon, vidu Incubator:Administrators. Vidu ankaŭ Help:Contents/eo aŭ Help:Manual/eo por ĝenerala helpo.
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• Pārsīg: sōhišn ī āzād ī harw čīš ku xwāhēd, Šāyēd pad Engelīsīg ayāb any uzwān ī bundātīgīh andar gēhān.Incubator:Administrators rāy abar pahikārišn ayāb abāznāmīdišn mar-tān ē wēn. Help:Contents/pal ayāb Help:Manual/palrāy abar ayārišn amaragānīhā.
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• 한국어: 아래 항목에서 영어 또는 세계의 다른 주요 언어로 아무 것이나 물어보세요. 접근을 요청하거나 계정명을 변경하려면 Incubator:Administrators를 참조하세요. 일반적인 도움에 대해서는 Help:Contents이나 Help:Manual을 참조하세요.
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I am unable to translate this template: fr:Modèle:Infobox Graphème into english and khowar. Can anybody translate this from french language to english. This template is necessary for creating pages of six uniquely pronounced special characters of Khowar Language, Please translate this into english so that i'll translate this into Khowar language. This template is only available in French Wikipedia. Regards -- RAChitrali 01:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to tackle in the next day or two. What I think I'd like to do is this:

• You create a template page in the Khowar test where you would like this to go. (You can create it with simple text like "placeholder".)
• I will import the template from French Wikipedia, then translate it in place into English.
• Then you translate it in place to Khowar.

OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali:  Doing...  Didn't hear from you. Imported to User:StevenJ81/Modèle:Infobox Graphème along with a documentation subpage. This will take a while; please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I want to create in khowar like this[1] Thanks --RAChitrali 15:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: Do you still want this? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81:, yes sir--RAChitrali 08:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: your above module is not working.--RAChitrali 06:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: I forgot about this. Will try to get it done before end of December. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: thanks--RAChitrali 07:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Translation

Hi,

I created a translatable page here: Wp/fon/Project:Tips.

I don't have the permission to mark it for translation. Can anybody please do it? Or give me the translation administrator permission? :)

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't think that page should be translatable. It should simply be written in the Fon language instead of English. --OWTB (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes, Amire80: Should we make this a new Incubator:-space page? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:34, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

I think most of that information can already be found in the Incubator namespace. The information on this page is adjusted to fit Wp/fon. --OWTB (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Rinconada Bikol

How to approved as a wiki, aprroved Rinconada Bikol as Wikipedia. thanks ShiminUfesoj (talk) 12:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I will look over your test in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Steven Well. There is a requirement to approve a wiki right? ShiminUfesoj (talk) 16:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Well Steven Well. There is a requirement to approve a wiki right? What is it? -ShiminUfesoj (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@ShiminUfesoj: For starters, you need a community of contributors, not just a single contributor. See this page. The way we define a community (for this purpose) is:

• For a minimum of three consecutive months (and then continuing until project approval), there needs to be during each month ...
• A minimum of three registered users, making
• At least ten edits each during the month.

Your test met that requirement only for a brief period during 2014–5, and certainly not recently.

Additionally, there needs to be enough content in the test, and there is a minimum requirement of translation of the interface at translatewiki.net. But start with gathering a community around you. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Filipinayzd, Ringer, FroyAgta look for the requirements. --ShiminUfesoj (talk) 15:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

A proposal for a big reform of the Incubator

Hi,

This is a pretty big thing, so please pay attention.

The Incubator is the first step in the journey of every language to getting its own wiki site. The way in which the Incubator currently works, however, is pretty outdated. In essence, it is considerably harder to use the Incubator than to use a regular wiki: the prefixes, the categories, the lack of proper Wikidata integration, inconvenient mobile interface, the lack of Content Translation and some other features, and so on. This is a serious problem, because by now we are talking about languages the speakers of which often have little experience using the web, and this is an unnecessary and damaging difficulty. People should focus on writing prose in their language, and not on prefixes and templates.

Briefly, I am proposing to make very significant changes to the process of creating a new wiki, and the Incubator will be the most affected part. Here's the short summary of the proposal:

• Instead of putting all the languages in one place, create a wiki for each new eligible language that has a reasonable proposal made by at least one native speaker.
• This wiki will not be a full-fledged domain that is fully equal to Wikipedia. The URL will look differently, and it will be possible to delete it easily if the wiki turns out to be problematic for any reason.
• However, this site will support all the usual functionality of a wiki: user accounts shared with Wikipeia in other languages, Wikidata connectivity, extensions, templates, Visual Editor, Content Translation, etc.
• The wiki will not demand the convoluted techniques that the Incubator demands, such as the "Wp/abc/" prefixes.
• If the wiki functions well and the Langcom approves it, it will be converted to a full-fledged domain.
• (This applies to all Incubator projects and not only Wikipedia.)

For the full proposal, see this page in Phabricator: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165585

I already discussed this a bit on the Language committee mailing list. You can read this discussion in the public archive of the Langcom mailing list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2018-July/thread.html (see the thread "Please read: Fixing Incubator").

Some of the additional points that came up in the discussion (StevenJ81, please correct me if I'm wrong anywhere in this summary):

• When this is done, the first step will be gradual creation of up to 50 wikis for the most active of the current active incubators.
• Wikis for new eligible languages will be created using the new process.
• incubator.wikimedia.org will continue operating. In a further point in the future, it shall be discussed what to do about the less active incubators here, and whether to make this site read-only, but this doesn't have to be decided immediately.

The whole proposal is my initiative, based on years of observing people working in the Incubator and having various difficulties, and on my desire to make things easier for everybody: first and foremost, the people who want to create new wikis in their languages, and also for administrators, for volunteers who help new languages, and for technical operations engineers. No engineering work has been done around it yet. It is at the stage of writing the functional requirements and collecting community feedback.

Incubator community people, your comments here are essential and very, very welcome. Your experience is unique, and there is no chance that this will succeed without your input.

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to insert my comments here, as Amir asked me to make sure he got everything right.

• As Amir said, (a) no engineering work has been done yet, and (b) when it is done, the first step will be the gradual creation of incubator-domain wikis for up to 50 most active tests.
• The goal is that wikis for new eligible languages will be created using the new process. But people are really going to have to be patient about that, for two reasons:

1. The execution of this approach is going to be tested, with the inevitable bugs ironed out, during the first phase with the most active tests. The reason the first tests will be those is because ...
2. There are quite a few decisions to make about how to define an "eligible language" or "eligible project". What we very much do not want to see happen is a return to the Wild West of the 2006–9 period, where a ton of projects were created, but where many were nothing more than vandalism magnets. So we want to make sure that only projects where there is at least a moderately serious interest are given new incubator-domain wikis.

The most active tests don't have that second problem to worry about, so we can iron out any executional bugs without worrying about also creating a whole bunch of new incubator-domain wikis that prove to be useless. (I would quickly note that as is the case with all WMF projects, these active tests will be backed up regularly, so if there are any such bugs, little if any work will be lost.)

• Finally, two other points:
  • The current Incubator is staying open for business for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure I ever see it closing entirely, but it's certainly going to take us a while to get there if so.
  • The discussion at LangCom is highly likely to spill over into August.

We are very anxious to hear your input—not only support/oppose, but also any specific ideas you have for how to accomplish this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

General discussion

• Support AgreedSraiki (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support I agree with this proposal. All the points will be so much helpful to volunteers working on their language that has already its own difficulty. They can at least be less worried about technical things and can focus on linguistic matters such as standard language, new terms, writing system, etc. Wirjadisastra (talk) 14:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support Incubator is broken. We need to fix it. Lojbanist (talk) 18:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support I definitely agree with the premises and that it would be very useful to make something about that. I am not going now into developer/maintainer point of view (like which domain to use, how to implement sitelinks on Wikdiata and to which extend automatize the whole process). Rather my experiences and issues (I am working on Esperanto Wikivoyage):
  • Because of the specifics of Incubator we are now working hard in order to re-work a lot of thing after import... Like, making sitebanner in Wikivoyage working was hard and is definitely not finished. If better environment, we could just copy and translate the template from another Wikivoyage.
  • One our guy made a Wikidata-infobox surrogate. It is ridiculous to use so much time and effort in order to achieve only a light and poorly mainteined version of something that is the next step in evolution of our projects (help from Wikidata). And the best part - after import we will undo his whole work and make the infoboxes work with Wikidata. So double work...
  • Content Translation would be very useful (for Wikivoyage especially after better matching of section titles) but it doesn't work outside of Wikipedias. Now I am doing mostly technical work, but when thinking about content creation, the best way is to copy article from English Wikivoyage to English Wikipedia, then translate it by Content Translation to Esperanto Wikipedia and manually copy to Esperanto Wikivoyage in Incubator... Sounds insane?
  • I was organizing community edit-a-thon but the tool we used did not work in Incubator. So it was quite hard...
    • Side note: Depending on implementation of the new site it maybe became even harder for tools. But maybe not. So this should be in mind during preparation.
  • The known and annoying prefixes...
  • The known and annoying sitelinks...
    • And this is also thing of the whole language environment. Now we have manually add link on Esperanto Wikipedia (on its own domain) to Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator) instead of simply adding link to Wikidata. So it is harder to invite people from known project to help with project in Incubator.
  • That said, I would very appreciate progress in this topic and would candidate Esperanto Wikivoyage as one of the firstly transported projects (if we do not receive own domain even before). So big support from my side! --KuboF Hromoslav (talk) 12:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
• Sounds like damn lots of new wikis which means damn lots of attractive honeypot for spambots. How will you deal with that? (Don't say you will rely on SWMT and Stewards.) — regards, Revi 14:12, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  @Revi, if you look at the discussions on the LangCom board, you'll see that I have substantial concerns about that as well. For the first (20?) (50?) incubation subdomains done on the most active test projects, I'm not so very worried. But I'm not yet convinced we have a good answer for that with respect to a wide range of brand new test projects. Any ideas you have would be welcome. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  I'm more worried that this will (infinitely) increase the number of wikis we (S) have to monitor, with virtually no decrease of the number of wikis to monitor. (Langcom almost never closes wikis, you know...) Practically stewards will have to monitor far more wikis than we used to when it was just a prefix inside the Incubator, and that is undue pressure on us given your attitude at closing wikis. Maybe only create subdomains with test-sysop? (Actually, I sent a mail to langcom@lists.wm.o but seems discarded or still waiting for moderation.) — regards, Revi 14:52, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  Wikis with test sysops still need monitoring, as many test sysops are inexperienced. --OWTB (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  I think I typed it but I didn't: Incubator full sysops should be (somewhat semi-automatically) granted sysop there (or with the ability to grant themselves to those test-independent-wikis) to monitor them as well to assist them, imo. — regards, Revi 15:08, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  Whatever else you say, the current plan is that Incubator full sysops and 'crats are to have those rights on all such subdomains. It's ordinarily supposed to be our job to watch over them. And part of the engineering work that would need to be done is for a unified way to monitor "recent changes". As is clear from the discussions, this is an idea for now. Its execution, especially once you get beyond a few pretty-close-to-approval test wikis, is far from settled. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  And I think it's worth noting I am against this proposal until there is solid anti-spam plans. — regards, Revi 16:29, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  Hi Revi,

  Thanks a lot for your comments. I started this discussion to get replies like these :)

  As I already noted in one of emails to the Langcom mailing list in reply to Ooswesthoesbes, the question of monitoring is indeed essential. This reform will not go forward until a widely-agreed plan for doing it is in place.

  What do you think about the proposal by Martin Urbanec on Phabricator?

  About the other particular points that you made:

  • Langcom almost never closes wikis, you know - this is true (and not necessarily good, but that's a topic for a different discussion). This proposal, however, takes this into account, and states that the closing procedure for an incubator wiki will be shorter, and it will be easy to delete it in case of inactivity or vandalism. The details of how much vandalism or how much inactivity is enough for deleting such a wiki are up for discussion. Do you want to propose any particular metrics? Or shall we just rely on intuition? I'm fine with both.
  • Practically stewards will have to monitor far more wikis than we used to when it was just a prefix inside the Incubator - how do you monitor them now? Do you have a tool that monitors multiple wikis? Do you just go periodically over RecentChanges in different wikis? Do you wait for comments from people who notice vandalism and ping you? Do you do something else?
  • I'm more worried that this will (infinitely) increase the number of wikis we (S) have to monitor - when you say "increase infinitely", do you mean "increase infinitely", or "increase by a lot"? It will not be infinite, because a wiki can be created only for a language with a valid language code, and there are less than 8000 valid language codes. The actual number will be much smaller than 8000. It still means that the number may be considerably larger than the current ~300 Wikipedias and ~900 wikis total, but it's not infinite. Yes, people sometimes tell me that I understand things too literally ;)
  • I think I typed it but I didn't: Incubator full sysops should be (somewhat semi-automatically) granted sysop there (or with the ability to grant themselves to those test-independent-wikis) to monitor them as well to assist them, imo. - makes sense to me.

  Other than this issue, does this make sense? --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

  Replies in numbered format, for readability.

  1. Martin's proposal - it looks good, that mostly solves the concern that S will be asked to fix lots of things.
  2. 6 months of no 'meaningful' contributions (except vandalism and spams of course)? Then contributors are given another 6 months before the data is actually purged (canceled if there is signal of survival?)
  3. CounterVandalism Network and COIBot is doing excellent jobs. However those are all on IRC which means standard limitation of IRC applies.
  4. I meant the latter, we have a finite number of languages in ISO 639, but workload can be the former as spambots simply do not sleep, unlike weak humans.

  — regards, Revi 09:39, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support prefixes are frustrating —15:46, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support I agree. but i just finished to do a small MOOC about how to edit wt/shy. but it is a good idea. --Reda Kerbouche (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

  User:Reda Kerbouche, thank you! :)

  Your support means a lot to me. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support the new idea. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 03:11, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support Can't help but say that the prefix is too crowded. --夢蝶葬花 (talk) 06:10, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support I hope that it enables new contributors to contribute for a long time. --Napoleon VIII(I'm a Japanese.)(Talk) 12:31, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Support, there have no reason to oppose these ideas. Remember that we need Wikidata support, we need CX support, we need PPAPI support, we need NPAPI support, we need... more and more supports. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Support this proposal to enable new editors to get to work more quickly. --R12ntech (talk) 10:34, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support but a wiki should be created if and only if they meet m:Language proposal policy#Requisites for eligibility and LangCom should review requests once the request is created. However I'd like to migrate all test projects from incubator and close it entirely.--GZWDer (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
• Agreed and strongly support because I am personally facing the problems and difficulties in editing and creating of pages on Saraiki language wikipedia. So all such reforms will be welcomed. Engr.ismailbhutta 12:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support obviously. — Obangmoy (talk) 13:14, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
• I don't understand who's supposed to help all those wikis. The point of incubator is also that it's a central place where experienced users are available to help people who are often moving their first steps in the Wikimedia world. --Nemo bis (talk) 16:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

  Thanks for the comment.

  The idea is to create an environment where less help will be needed to begin with. If prefixes are not needed, help with prefixes is not needed. Also, why does such a place have to be central? The Incubator wiki can remain as a central discussion place, although the discussions can also happen at Meta. The place for discussions is really not a major issue. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support--Rufet Turkmen (talk) 00:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support--Ookuninusi (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support--Vlad5250 (talk) 07:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support --Holder (talk) 11:03, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support I was just commenting about this at this request.Tamsier (talk) 05:10, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. "create a wiki for each new eligible language that has a reasonable proposal made by at least one native speaker" (c) - 1) It doesn't solve the problem of active and reasonably proposed projects in extinct languages. 2) It reminds me the story of the Wp/vot, when the "native speaker" wasn't actually one. "The URL will look differently, and it will be possible to delete it easily if the wiki turns out to be problematic for any reason." (c) - How will it make the work easier? A separate URL may be also hardly understandable for some newcomers. If they need to learn the wiki markup in an actual Wikipedia, show them unfortunately forgotten test.wikipedia.org . And it's surprisingly but it's easier to delete a problematic project within the framework of the current Incubator, using bot and without managing domains (if I understand it right). "The wiki will not demand the convoluted techniques <...> such as prefixes" (c) - Never seen anyone who really embarrassed about prefixes or categorization. I'm not excluding the fact that such people exist but that kind of people probably has difficulties with the wiki markup in general. "If the wiki functions well and the Langcom approves it, it will be converted to a full-fledged domain." (c) - I'm feeling like a stupid one because I don't understand what should be actually changed comparing to the current situation. I'm wondering how this reform will help the Langcom make decisions about project openings any faster. With love, --Wolverène (talk) 19:55, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

  Hi Wolverène

  Thanks for the comments.

  Very briefly, this reform is not supposed to help the Langcom make decisions about project openings any faster, or to address the issue of native speakers or ancient languages.

  For a much more detailed answer, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165585#4538119 . --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 19:08, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support I like this idea. Will need to make tools so that this group of Wikis are easy to patrol. 70.75.188.185 02:11, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Conclusion (for now)

Calling @Amire80.
It seems clear to me that this community likes the idea of this Incubator reform very much. I don't think the discussion needs to go any further for now.

I will remind everyone that for now, this is an idea or proposal. Engineering work has not been done, and certainly has not been tested. If you are working in a test project that is not one of the 20 or so that are most active and closest to approval, you're not going to be in the first group of tests to try this out, even when it's ready. And there are still serious policy concerns about making sure that this doesn't become a way for people to create a lot of useless, junk projects. All of that and more still needs to be addressed.

In the next few days, I am going to create a page called Incubator:Reform discussions. Once there are enough details out there for the community to start discussing choices in detail, we will post the discussions to that page. Although we will always announce them on this page, too, I'd like this page to stay available for current business. If that's agreeable to everyone, then I think the next step belongs to User:Amire80. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Gadget: AddPrefix

In the meantime, while we are waiting for the above to mature, did you know there is a gadget available on Incubator to help make using prefixes easier? Read on ...

Are you using Gadget:AddPrefix?

What this gadget does is pretty straightforward: it adds a prefix automatically to any link that you write on a page in a test wiki.

• It does not do this on user pages, user talk pages, or community pages like this.
• It does not automatically add prefixes to templates and category links.

This gadget does not make all of the challenges of using prefixes go away, but it makes certain things easier. I strongly encourage anyone whose job isn't mainly housekeeping (mostly sysops) to try it out.

How do I do that?

Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. Look for the gadget AddPrefix; it's near the bottom of the page. Check the box, then click Save.

Note that you can always deactivate it the same way (uncheck the box) if you decide you don't prefer it.

Should we make this gadget turn on by default for new contributors?

I was considering setting this gadget as "turned on by default" for new contributors. What does the community think about that idea? (Individual users can always turn it off if they wish.)

StevenJ81 (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Support: Agreed, This should be dfault. Sraiki (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Support Agreed. It's so useful. --Napoleon VIII(I'm a Japanese.)(Talk) 12:17, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Support --R12ntech (talk) 10:37, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Agree Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 22:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support --OWTB (talk) 11:15, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support — Obangmoy (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, there is a clear consensus, so I will set the gadget to be on by default. Please remember that what I'm about to do is only going to affect new accounts here. (I think.) If you are already here and want to use the gadget, what I am about to do is not gong to help you. (I think.) Go to the gadgets page (link above) and turn on the gadget yourself. Thanks to all for your comments. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:29, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

I just noticed it was automatically enabled for my account when editing Wn/li. --OWTB (talk) 12:30, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support --夢蝶葬花 (talk) 02:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Root category (moved from 2017 archive)

Following moved from Incubator:Community Portal/Archive/2017#Root category?
@StevenJ81: Is it right that the the root category should only figure in the main namespace, it should not be put in template pages? Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 15:45, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: No, it can be on any prefixed page, including (main) talk pages, templates, categories and modules. My strong preference is that you not add it to user pages and user talk pages (which shouldn't be prefixed anyway), because if you do there is some risk of accidental deletion if/when the project is exported. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:48, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: The problem is that the root category is used to count articles in Wp/shi. When used in other namespaces than the main one, it magnifies the number of articles in shi. Besides, I don't know how to remove it from the large number of templates. Thanks for your help. Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 15:55, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: I see your point. OK, here's what I'd like you to do:

• Create a new subcategory of Category:Wp/shi. Its English name would be Category:Wp/shi/Templates, but feel free to replace "Templates" with a local name. You can leave it empty for now, but tell me what you've named it.

Once you've done that, I'll bulk-move all of the pages in "Template:" (and "Template talk:") namespaces from the root category to that category. That will not affect any other categorization on the page. (It may take me a day or two to get to; I'm not sure.)

• If you're willing, also create a subcategory whose English name would be Category:Wp/shi/User pages. I'll move appropriate pages to that, too.

Finally, note that the magic word {{PAGESINCATEGORY}}, which is what {{Wp/shi/NUMBEROFARTICLES}} uses, by default adds both pages (all namespaces) and subcategories. If you want it to leave out subcategories, change the magic word call in the template to read {{PAGESINCATEGORY:Wp/shi|pages}}.

Hope that helped. (Best to put new discussions back on the main discussion page, BTW.) StevenJ81 (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixing directionality

Hello,

Concerning both Wikimedia projets in ary (Moroccan Arabic), Wp/ary and Wt/ary, it's mentionned in their home page that they're RTL, and the script on translatewiki is Arab; however the editing in these projects is set in LTR. Does the problem come from MediaWiki:Common.css ?

Thank you in advance,

Cordially, --Reda benkhadra (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Added ary to MediaWiki:Common.css, but the main cause is that the language is not currently recognized in MediaWiki itself. It will be once translations are made. Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 22:20, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Broken index pages for standalone Wikipedias

Pages like Wp/sa or Wp/si, for incoming links looking for "known" Wikipedias that aren't here, seem to be broken. I don't see any way of getting from those pages to the existing Wikipedias for those languages (sa.wikipedia.org and si.wikipedia.org, respectively) — besides typing in the URL manually, of course. No way to edit the pages, so I'm not sure how this can be fixed. I also don't know if this affects anything besides Wikipedias. The two non-WPs I tried (Wb/sa and Wb/si) actually worked fine. - dcljr (talk) 02:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Dcljr: Known problem. It happens I sent a note about it to the developer of the extension just this morning. I'll try to keep pushing for this. (Note: the Wikipedia links on the non-WP pages are also broken.) StevenJ81 (talk) 06:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Did you post anything to phab: as well? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:21, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

This is bug T111600. --MF-W {a, b} 11:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf: Not this time. This bug has been open for a long time, and has not been addressed. I decided to go directly to the developer this time. StevenJ81 (talk) 11:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Please update as you get info. I appreciate you being so proactive. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Coord template on Incubator

Hi, please help make a geo/coord template at the end of this Wy/cs page work. --Czeva (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I created the templates for you. But as these templates tend to be needlessly difficult, it is required to make modules. Another user will have to help you with that, as I'm not familiar with such things. --OWTB (talk) 08:24, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit a page

Dear there I would like to edit a new page in Arabic language but I do not have that Validity yet.. How can I do that? FahdAbiRashed (talk) 06:49, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Standard Arabic pages can be edited here. Or do you want to edit a specific Arabic variant (Moroccan, Egyptian, Tunisian, etc.)? --OWTB (talk) 08:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you OWTB for your reply and I am Wikipedia editors and I would like to edit new pages in wikivoyage.org in the Arabic language even I Additions and modifications in wikivoyage.org I can create a new article at this moment and I hope I can do that :) Thank you in advance for your kind cooperation FahdAbiRashed

It seems like you are interested in Wy/ar. --MF-W {a, b} 13:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

If that is the case, then understand that you must name your pages as "Wy/ar/[name of page]". (Name of page is in Arabic, but "Wy/ar/" is in Latin alphabet.) All pages here must have a prefix. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Closure of proposal to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator

The current proposal to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator was closed. There was not really a consensus either way around the proposal, and in light of the reform proposal discussed above, it makes no sense to consider this until everything is settled. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

User:153.107.193.212 and 153.107.193.207

@StevenJ81 This user from this IP address 153.107.193.212 and 153.107.193.207 deleting pages from wp/khw incubator. Who is this? I want to block him, please check his activity. Thanks --RAChitrali 08:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about pages like Wp/khw/پنجابغیچ (Popeye the Sailor)? The user was creating the pages, but were deleted by another person (for lack of content). I can restore his pages if you like. Reply. Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 13:21, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ebe123 yes please. thanks --RAChitrali 05:41, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

LE LOQ'ALAJ QANAN ULEW Ri ojer taq nan tat nim xkil wi le loq'alaj ulew, rumal che ri nim ri kub'an pa qak'aslemal. Rumal la' xkib'ij qanan chech. Qila' mpe' jas ri' ri uchak ri jun nanixel: Ri nan sib'alaj uloq ri ral, we koq' ri ak'al, aninaq kusolij jas ri k'ax kuriq ri ak'al, we ne xa' k'o awaj ktyo'wik, we ne xa' kanumik, we ne xuquje' xa' k'ax k'olik. Are je' kub'an ri qanan ulew chi qech uj, kuya' qawa, kujuch'ajo, kuya' qajab', rumal la' nim kil wi. Are taq kkiqasaj jun che', wene kkikamisaj jun awaj, kkita' na toq'ob' che ri Ajaw xuquje' che ri qanan ulew rumal che ri kkib'an ri k'ax che ri uwach ulew. Are k'u ri kamik, man je' ta chik ri kichomanik ri winaq, maj chi upatan chi kech, xane rumal le jun uwach chomanik le xkoj pa qajolom, sib'alaj k'ax ri tajin kqab'an che ri loq'alaj qanan ulew. Le kwaj in kinb'ij, utz we kqata' ri kipixab' ri e qati't qamam rech utz kujel pa le qak'aslemal kqakoj ronojel ri awas ri kib'im ri qati't qamam. Jampa' chik kujtzijon wa' pa uwi' le tzij awas. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poloyax (discussion • contribs) 30 August 2018.

@StevenJ81 @Ebe123 can anybody translate the above paragraph into English? what is written above? Thanks --RAChitrali 06:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

The pages created by this user consist of nothing more than the pagename and an image (often broken). For that reason, I highly recommend you to not get them restored and just write your own page if you want to write about that subject. Pages like the ones created by those IP addresses will not convince LangCom to approve your test, in contrary. --OWTB (talk) 08:18, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

How to Internationalize the name of a language?

I can see language name of existing incubators being translated into different languages. However when I tried to look at source of those pages I can't find out what was used to translate those language name. How can I put an internationalized language name down for wt/hks? C933103 (talk) 22:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

It's a complex procedure that involves the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository, and frankly I don't know much about it. Can anyone else jump in here? StevenJ81 (talk)

Pinging @Nemo bis:. --121.227.38.7 22:23, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I have just checked the Unicode CLDR Survey tool and it seems like "hks" is not a language code included within Unicode CLDR for identification. How do INcubator deal with such languages? C933103 (talk) 23:10, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October

I want to bring the community's attention to the message at this link: I:Wikimedia news#Read-only mode for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia incubator project

@Romaine: @StevenJ81: Dear sirs, the Saraiki Community requested me to draft the main page of Saraiki Wikipedia, I have translated the main page into Saraiki Language and drafted the main page as per Wikipedia guidelines. While drafting an error occurred, please see draft here Wp/skr/draft and help to solve the template errors - Thanks --RAChitrali 06:48, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: We'll see what we can do. Specific discussion moving to Talk:Wp/skr/draft. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Taqbayli:

Fket-aɣ-d tuttriwin s ddaw-a, nesmenyaf s taglizit neɣ seg tutlayin tigraɣlaniyin.Akken ad ḥelliḍ amiḍan inek n uqeddac neɣ asuter n usali,wali .wali — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Faridatcemlulaqbayli (discussion • contribs) 10:48, 12 September 2018 (UTC).

Discussion at Incubator talk:Featured wikis concerning "Wikis likely to stay here"

Please look at the discussion that User:Steinbach started, and contribute there if you have an opinion. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:42, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

German language on page User:Welcoming Bot

Hello, Is it possible to add a german welcoming text to the userpage of Welcoming Bot? --Der Keks (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

What's the point of that? --MF-W {a, b} 11:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with it, myself. Other widely spoken languages are perhaps more useful in this setting, in comparison, German is rarely the main backup language except for speakers of local European languages. But why not? Page isn't protected; feel free. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

help required

I want to create the following templates in Khowar language but the template shows in English, Why,:-

ھیہ ممبارو تت بپو وار کھوار شیر ۔

khw-N

ھیہ ممباروت کھوار زبانہ تقریبا مادری زبانو غون لودیکو عبور حاصل شیر ۔

khw-4

ھیہ ممباروت کھوار زبانہ لو دیکو خاص عبور حاصل شیر ۔

khw-3

ھیہ ممباروتے کھوار زبانہ پھوکرو لودیکو چال گویان۔

khw-2

ھیہ ممباروت کھوار زبانہ لو دیکو بنیادی علم حاصل شیر ۔

khw-1

ھیہ ممباروت کھوار زبانہ لودیکو چال نوگویان ۔

khw-0

Please help us to create user language templates, thanks --RAChitrali 05:46, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

First, I don't entirely encourage you to do this, because we really want people to be using the {{#babel:...}} parser function instead. Still, if you want to do it, what you have to do is to create a subpage at Template:User language/khw and add the translated copy there. Have a look at any other subpage to see how it is supposed to be structured. (Look at the Arabic one to see how it handles RTL if you have a problem with that.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:17, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: sir I have created the Babel in khowar here [2] but the language shows انگریزی instead of کھوار. -- RAChitrali 05:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

First of all, I am seeing کھوار. And in any case it can take up to two days for updates in translatewiki.net to be propagated to Wikimedia projects. Beyond that, what's the problem? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: fixed the Babel Templates for Khowar.RAChitrali 07:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

How can Translation the Template

Hi Everyone.. How can Translation the Template like: page banner and Use in Arabic page? and I wandering why Arabic page not Connected (linked) With their counterparts pages in wikivoyage.org! With thanks in advance FahdAbiRashed (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Request an archive

There are four in total: wp/ojp, wp/jpn-classical, wp/ja-bungo, wp/jpn-bungo. I looked up the list of files and it looks like there is no archive file for this project. So I want this archive. I only one purpose: to satisfy curiosity. --五月雨恋歌 (talk) 02:33, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Calling @MF-Warburg. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion of "Ottoman Turkish Wikipedia" at RfD

Please see I:RFD#Wp/ota. I am truly unsure how to proceed with this test, and would appreciate community input. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Balochi and Khowar articles with hCards errors

@MF-Warburg: @StevenJ81: Some of the Balochi and Khowar articles showing hCards errors, please see [3] Can anybody fix these hCards errors? thanks --RAChitrali 05:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: Has this been resolved yet? Could you link to an example with an error please? Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 23:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: Not yet been fixed, waiting for your help in this regard.--RAChitrali 09:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't even know what you mean by this. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

vls.wiktionary

Hi, just a question, is there an incubator version of a flemish wiktionary? Thank you for your time. Lotje ツ (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

@Lotje: wikt:vls: redirects to Wt/vls/Voorblad. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:44, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Koavf: Thanks! Lotje ツ (talk) 05:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Project - Wikipedia in P'urépecha: 1) Rename project 2) Set of characters available for editing

1. I think that the Wikipedia in P'urépecha language project could be renamed as "Huiquipedia" as in the náhuatl version. (Here What I previously wrote.)
2. I think that it would be very useful for the P'urépecha project to have the "Latin" set of characters available when editing (because of the accents, etc.). I don't know how that's done.

Thanks. Tortillovsky (talk) 20:43, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Tortillovsky:

1. Go for it! You decide and you can change it.
2. I don't think I understand. The Latin set is available in the symbols tab of the editor (and visual editor). What do you mean?

Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 17:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Ebe123:

1. Ok. Thank you much.
2. I appreciate your attention. I now found the “Special characters” on the top editing ribbon.

I was looking for the characters at the options below (under "Publish changes"): After clicking the “Edit” tab In Incubator, at the bottom I get the options: Standard, Aeres, Altai… Greek, Hebrew, Hill Man, Limburgish…etcetera. And in Wikipedia, for instance, I get the options: Insert, Wiki markup, Symbols, Latin, Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew… etcetera.

It's all good. Thanks again. Tortillovsky (talk) 12:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Change content model for Konkani Wiktionary community discussion page

We have recently created a page intended for community discussions for the Konkani Wiktionary: Wt/gom/Wiktionary:Tinto. Please can you change the content model of this page to that of a discussion page, so that we can have the 'Add topic' tab? The Discoverer (talk) 10:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

• Done Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 17:06, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! The Discoverer (talk) 19:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

How to visibile my user page i.e. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Noorwalijan86 can anybody or expert see this thank you very much, Noor wali jan — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noorwalijan86 (discussion • contribs) 03:00‎, 7 November 2018 (UTC).

Your userpage is visible to everyone if that's what you're asking. I fixed the error in the template (had to be capitalized). Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 19:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

You do however have to create the LangSwitch template (and prefix it). Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 19:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Enable arbitrary access before sitelinks?

Filed as phab:T209207

Since sitelinks support is still blocked elsewhere (probably T206426 Storing multiple sitelinks to a multilingual wiki), I'm finding consensus to fix our Category:Pages_with_script_errors by deploying Wikidata Phase 2 (arbitrary access) support first, note that this is already working on Multilingual Wikisource, so there's IMHO only consensus question. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Also, admins, please make the redlink cat. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

"Why is this not yet enabled" is a better question than "should this be done". --MF-W {a, b} 11:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

We talked about ths once before and people agreed. Meantime, though, of course we should do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 06:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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So far, there's a "bad luck" that, please do not touch "add sitelinks" button on the left, under "other languages", you won't be able to create an item on Wikidata by this way. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikimedia project page <- thank you. --14:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

TemplateStyles can't work on editing?

When I try fixing some Citation CS1 errors on e.g. Wp/mni/ꯂꯣꯟꯆꯠ ꯄꯊꯥꯞ, I've got Page Module:Wp/mni/Citation/CS1/styles.css must have content model "Sanitized CSS" for TemplateStyles (current model is "Scribunto")., but then I tried to copy-paste from en:Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css, I have noticed that I can't publish my edits because "The document contains errors. Are you sure you want to save?" and "Error: Lua error at line 1: unexpected symbol near '/'.", can someone who knows TemplateStyles please help me on this matter? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. I have changed the content model for the page linked. However, please note that template styles should be created in the Template namespace and not in the Module namespace, as the Module namespace is reserved for Scribunto modules only (Note: This issue is also tracked in Phabricator). --Hydriz (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Note: usually, in cases where you'd need TemplateStyles, you'd have a template calling the output of a module. So the template, not the module, is what is going to need TemplateStyles. It's going to be pretty unusual for main body copy ever to call the output of a module directly, and at that I'd imagine it would need to provide the output as plain body text anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Je cherche le responsable francophone du "codage informatique" d'un projet Wikimédia Incubator

Bonjour, je n'arrive pas à trouver qui est le responsable "informatique" (codage?) du projet suivant https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/arq/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%91%D8%A9?fbclid=IwAR2qBimv_7f8SksjsO2RC5MgQZh7s8mNoJilRSK8e0s2JRn1NrAdwYz3w04 C'est le projet d'un Wiki en algérien, j'ai trouvé les contributeurs mais pas les "informaticiens", ce projet est écrit en arabe algérien mais la structure du wiki est en français, donc je suppose que l'informaticien est français Comment le trouver? J'ai besoin qu'il arrange certains trucs et nous aide, le codage j'y comprend rien, je sais seulement écrire un article simple.
Merci infiniment. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kellybundy (discussion • contribs) 10:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC).

La structure du wiki est disponable en n'importe quelle langue on veut. On choisit la langue en haut de la page.

Qu'est-ce qui est ta question? StevenJ81 (talk) (administrateur) 14:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

wminc-infopage-title

Hello. I have a question about "wminc-infopage-title" in Template:Test wiki. As you can see in "MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-..." (e.g. MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p), it is ordered by language name and project name, such as "Assamese Wikibooks", if user language is English. And it is the same in Chinese (阿萨姆语维基教科书; "Assamese Wikibooks"). But in some cases, it is ordered by project name and language name, such as "위키책 아삼어" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Korean and "ウィキブックスアッサム語" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Japanese, and it is seems to be a little awkward. So, I want to change this like English, but I don't know where it is. Could somebody help me about this? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: It may very well be that different languages have different conventions as to how to handle these things. And to be perfectly honest, we don't necessarily do it consistently in English, either. For example, compare "Assamese Wiktionary" here on Incubator to "Wiktionary Assamese" on Meta. As long as what we're talking about is clear and understandable—and in this case I think it is—I don't think it is productive to fuss with this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Sorry? My point is that "language name + project name" is better than "project name + language name" in Korean or Japanese language, like English just now. I didn't say that we will change english name order. Please change your language to Korean or Japanese on Special:Preferences, and visit Wt/as page and see subheading. Then, I think you will understand my point. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I fully understand your point. I'm saying it doesn't matter enough to do the work to fix it. We use both word orders from time to time in English, and it doesn't really matter; people fully understand what we're talking about. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Of course, in English it doesn't matter. But in Korean or Japanese language it does matter. My second point is why that order between Chinese and Korean/Japanese version in article are different, and how I can make both the same order from "(project) (language)" of Korean/Japanese page to "(language) (project)" such as Chinese page. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: OK. I'll look into it. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I think I have an answer for you. Look at the following files and tell me if they're in the right order or not: translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ko and translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ja. I have a feeling I will need to fix all of the related pages over there. But please tell me first what you would like fixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata arbitrary access is now enabled

Hello all,

I'm happy to announce that you can now access data from Wikidata on Incubator :) You can use the different methods presented on Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects (parser function for basic usage, Lua for more advanced features) to include data from Wikidata in your pages.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the ticket or to ping me. Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hourra! Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 16:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

See phab:T209207. Thanks all who made this happen. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Материалы для написания статей на редких языках

Здравствуйте! Интересно, откуда участники берут информация по редким языкам для написания статей? Где изучают грамматику и лексику? Например, есть вот такая разрабатываемая Википедия на одном из редких языков Wp/wxa/Main Page — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.37.146.189 (discussion • contribs) 22:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

@Comp1089: Can you determine what this editor is requesting? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Lua Memory Limits

Have the Lua memory limits or memory management changed in the past three or four months? I have a large page under construction (Wp/nod/User:RichardW57/sandbox) which had paused since 25 August as I investigated a transliteration issue, though I did make a minor change on 30 September. On resuming work, I found that rendering is now failing with "Lua error: not enough memory", which I had not noticed before. I had not changed the page since 30 September. I would have noticed the problem as soon as it started happening, as the problem is happening during transliteration (from Tai Tham to Thai) as my recent efforts have mostly been concentrated on getting the transliteration to work. It is easier to get the Thai transliteration proof-read.

A very minor change may have caused the problem, unless the garbage collector also compacts memory. I have some large strings (holding half the whole page as it should finally appear), and memory fragmentation could be causing me problems. Rule-based transliteration takes dozens of passes (see Module:Wp/nod/Translit2 if interested in the details). Is there any way to check if I am approaching limits? The English wiktionary reports Lua usage when editing - is there some preference I should be setting to see usage here? I may have to split the draft document for reasons of style. To progress work, I have temporarily split the document at section boundaries (into Wp/nod/User:RichardW57/sandbox/pt1 etc.); transliteration completes without reported error for each section separately, which may be a solution I need to implement. (That solution will fail if I then run up against time limits, as I suspect it will increase parsing and module loading time.) --RichardW57 (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I've switched off the collection of debugging information that wasn't being output; that's approximately halved my memory usage with a working garbage collector, and seems to to have done the trick. However, it would still be useful to have some indication of how near the limit I come, though that may be tricky to produce if I am indeed relying on the garbage collector. --RichardW57 (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@RichardW57: I have a feeling you ought to ask this question on Meta or MediaWiki wiki or phabricator. I'm not sure anyone here has this level of knowledge on such issues. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)