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I am unable to translate this template: fr:Modèle:Infobox Graphème into english and khowar. Can anybody translate this from french language to english. This template is necessary for creating pages of six uniquely pronounced special characters of Khowar Language, Please translate this into english so that i'll translate this into Khowar language. This template is only available in French Wikipedia. Regards -- RAChitrali 01:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I'll try to tackle in the next day or two. What I think I'd like to do is this:

• You create a template page in the Khowar test where you would like this to go. (You can create it with simple text like "placeholder".)
• I will import the template from French Wikipedia, then translate it in place into English.
• Then you translate it in place to Khowar.

OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali:  Doing...  Didn't hear from you. Imported to User:StevenJ81/Modèle:Infobox Graphème along with a documentation subpage. This will take a while; please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I want to create in khowar like this[1] Thanks --RAChitrali 15:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: Do you still want this? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81:, yes sir--RAChitrali 08:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: your above module is not working.--RAChitrali 06:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: I forgot about this. Will try to get it done before end of December. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: thanks--RAChitrali 07:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

wminc-infopage-title

Hello. I have a question about "wminc-infopage-title" in Template:Test wiki. As you can see in "MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-..." (e.g. MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p), it is ordered by language name and project name, such as "Assamese Wikibooks", if user language is English. And it is the same in Chinese (阿萨姆语维基教科书; "Assamese Wikibooks"). But in some cases, it is ordered by project name and language name, such as "위키책 아삼어" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Korean and "ウィキブックスアッサム語" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Japanese, and it is seems to be a little awkward. So, I want to change this like English, but I don't know where it is. Could somebody help me about this? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: It may very well be that different languages have different conventions as to how to handle these things. And to be perfectly honest, we don't necessarily do it consistently in English, either. For example, compare "Assamese Wiktionary" here on Incubator to "Wiktionary Assamese" on Meta. As long as what we're talking about is clear and understandable—and in this case I think it is—I don't think it is productive to fuss with this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Sorry? My point is that "language name + project name" is better than "project name + language name" in Korean or Japanese language, like English just now. I didn't say that we will change english name order. Please change your language to Korean or Japanese on Special:Preferences, and visit Wt/as page and see subheading. Then, I think you will understand my point. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I fully understand your point. I'm saying it doesn't matter enough to do the work to fix it. We use both word orders from time to time in English, and it doesn't really matter; people fully understand what we're talking about. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Of course, in English it doesn't matter. But in Korean or Japanese language it does matter. My second point is why that order between Chinese and Korean/Japanese version in article are different, and how I can make both the same order from "(project) (language)" of Korean/Japanese page to "(language) (project)" such as Chinese page. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: OK. I'll look into it. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I think I have an answer for you. Look at the following files and tell me if they're in the right order or not: translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ko and translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ja. I have a feeling I will need to fix all of the related pages over there. But please tell me first what you would like fixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Oh, yes. That is what I am looking forward to. Thanks a lot. I want to fix all, like MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/zh-hans type: MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-s/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-t/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-q/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-y/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-b/ko and MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-n/ko. And do you know where do you know where I can translate language name ($1 in MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/en)? Because some language names on Incubator are not translated on Korean/Japanese language, such as "Okinawan" of Wt/ryu. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 07:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: OK. Here's the plan, then:

1. The files you gave me are all local Incubator files, not translatewiki files. I am going to fix the first two, just reversing the two elements, then you'll tell me if things look right. If so, I'll do the rest of the local files.
2. Once those are done, I'll address the first two files on translatewiki. Note that corrections there can take a few days to be downloaded from there to here, so be patient.
3. If that works, then I'll suggest you create an account at translatewiki—it's not part of the WMF unified login group—request "translator" permission there, and start working on the rest yourself.

OK?
Language names are more complicated. Will address these in a bit. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

First two done. Please get back to me. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam, StevenJ81: Please see what we the actual Chinese user called them at zh:Template:Wikipedia_editions, following the actual Chinese grammars, we should always call them "XX语维基百科"/"XX語維基百科", currently it's wrongly shown 维基百科 XX语 which violates the Chinese grammar, please rollback the wrong "fix" of MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/zh-hans. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: There was no space between when I found it, and no space in your version. Is that correct? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

That MediaWiki page shows "维基百科 $1", please change it back to "$1维基百科", thx. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: And for reason that no space used, please see [2], there's no space existing between any Chinese scripts. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Will do. @-revi: Are the Korean ones correct or incorrect? Thanks for your help. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: User revi doesn't use ping tool now. So, I went ahead and called user revi. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 10:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi Steven, I'm busy IRL till end of year, care to provide TLDR? (I have ping enabled (as email only), but it's just that my inbox is more than full.) — regards, Revi 12:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Revi. TLDR: Garam thinks the info page titles are in the wrong order when in Korean (e.g., they say "Wikipedia Korean" but should say "Korean Wikipedia"). Do you think they're correct or backwards? Or does it even matter? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

He is correct. I just use English for all wikis so I actually don't give much attention to translations these days. — regards, Revi 15:20, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 --Garam (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I am going to try to get back to this. Sometime this week I will change the Korean titles. Consistent with the discussion above I am not changing the Chinese titles. Please provide some proof if you want me to change Japanese. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Thank you for your answer. And for Japanese, please see article names on w:ja:Category:各言語のウィキペディア. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 02:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Wiktionary Audio

I want to find out how i can include audio pronunciation in the igbo wiktionary edit a thon that i carried out.--Oby Ezeilo (talk) 17:29, 19 April 2019 (UTC) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oby Ezeilo (discussion • contribs) 10:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC).

Are there any Wiktionary experts here who can help?

(If you don't get an answer soon, try going to one of the big, established Wiktionaries for advice. If there is infrastructure to import, I'll try to help with that.) StevenJ81 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

@Oby Ezeilo: Papiamento wiktionary uses this template - Opera and Firefox can play the file on a separate tab. An example of usage is here. The files themselves must be uploaded to Commons, after that they are available here on Incubator. - Xbspiro (talk) 16:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Sakizaya Test Wikipedia

For information, pinging @Corainn, Sabak5388, 黃金文, Liuxinyu970226: Please share with anyone else you think may be interested.

Now that the ISO code issue has been resolved, this project effectively meets all the requirements for project approval. There are just a couple of things we have to overcome before going to LangCom, neither of which the community itself can do much about:

1. Solving a phabricator task aimed at updating all the references in the infrastructure software to the right language code, and subsequently getting all the translations at translatewiki.net moved to the correct code.
2. Solving a broader issue that is preventing any wikis from being created for now. (The creation of two approved wiki projects is stalled over this.)

In the meantime, then, please continue to stay active here at Incubator. I would very greatly suggest that your focus should not be so much on creating new pages. Instead, focus on building out any pages that are currently stubs and turning them into more complete articles.

If you have any questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Thanks for the infos. Since we don't know much about Software, do you know who should we ask for help? @Reke: Do you or someone in the Wikimedia Taiwan know how to finish the Phabricator and move the translations that have been done at translatewiki.net to the right place? Corainn (talk) 12:30, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

It's all being looked at already. But if someone at WM Taiwan can help out, that would be a good thing. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I see. Thanks for the explanation! Corainn (talk) 12:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Zazaca wikisözlük- Zazaca wikivoyage ve diğerleri

Merhaba, İngilizce bilmediğim için çok özür dilerim. Bir kaç ay önce Xorasan proje teklifi ile geldi. Wikipedia projelerine uzak birisi olarak, gösterildiği şekilde katkı sağlıyorum ama projeler için belirli bir standart prosedür yok. Örneğin ;

1. En az 3 kullanıcı istiyorlar, kimisi az kimisi çok katkı yapıyor. Diğer dil projelerinde de iki-üç ay katkı yaptıktan sonra çoğu kullanıcı incubator'dan çekiliyor. İş veya sağlık dolayısıyla çekilenlerde var. (ben de 15 nisandan sonra bu projede aktif olamayacağım)
2. En az 3 ay katkı istiyorlar ama belirli bir süre sınırı da yok. Yani proje 100 gün de sürebilir 1000 gün de sürse açılmayabilir. Avrupa dil projeleri olduğu zaman açılması daha kısa sürüyor ama iş Amerika, Afrika ve Asya kıtalarındaki dillere geldiği zaman bu süre çok uzuyor.
3. Translatewiki.net çevirileri var. Ben orayı hiç bilmiyorum. Sanırım projelerin dil sürümleri ile alakalı olması lazım. Yeni açılacak wikilerde dil versiyonlarının hazır olunması isteniyor. Zazaca Wikipedia 10 yıldan fazla bir zamandır aktif ama çoğu MediaWiki mesajı hala İngilizce.
4. Yukarıda belirtilen hususlar sadece zaza dilinde değil, diğer dil projelerinde de olan sorunlardır.

Sizlerden ricam belirli şartlar olsun ama çelişki de içermesin. Mesela;

• proje için 5 ay isteyin. 5 ay dolunca proje açılsın.
• proje için 5 kullanıcı gerekliyse 5 kullanıcıyı belirtin.
• Bir yerde hata varsa söyleyin, kullanıcılar düzeltmeye çalışsınlar. Gözlemlediğim kadarıyla insanlar belirli bir süre katkı yaptıktan sonra projenin açılmasına dair umudunu kaybetip çekiliyorlar. Sizlerden ricam İnsanların umudunu söndürmeyin. Buderan (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Google translation from Turkish:

Hi, I'm so sorry I didn't speak English. A few months ago Xorasan came up with a project proposal. As a distant person to Wikipedia projects, I contribute as shown, but there is no specific standard procedure for projects. For example ;

1. They want at least 3 users, some people do little. After two to three months of contribution to other language projects, most users withdraw from the incubator. There are those who are withdrawn because of work or health. (I will not be active in this project after 15 April)
2. They want a contribution for at least 3 months, but there is no time limit. So the project may last 100 days and may not open for 1000 days. When it comes to European language projects, it takes a shorter opening time, but when it comes to languages in the Americas, Africa and Asia, this is a long time.
3. Translatewiki.net translations I don't know about this place. I think the projects should be relevant to the language versions. Wikis to be opened in new language versions are required to be prepared. Zazaki Wikipedia has been active for over 10 years but most MediaWiki messages are still in English.

The above-mentioned issues are not only in the zaza language, but also in other language projects. I ask you to have certain conditions, but do not include contradiction. E.g;

• Ask the project for 5 months. Open the project after 5 months.
• If 5 users are required for the project, specify 5 users.
• If there is an error, tell them to try to fix them. As far as I observe, people lose their hope of opening the project after contributing for a certain period of time. I ask you do not extinguish people's hope. Buderan (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Translation placed by StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

@Buderan: I really understand your frustration. Some of the things you write about we are trying to change. Some are in place for a good reason. Let me try to explain some things.

1. The first reason to need three regular users for at least three months is because we do not want to create a new project, and then have it sit there with no one working on it. Three users for at least three months is the best way we know (so far) of making sure the project stays active once it is opened.
   • We are now trying very hard to make sure that if a project is active for three months it gets approved, and that it doesn't sit for "1000 days" waiting to be approved.
2. The other reason to need three regular users is so that no project gets approved that is the work of only one person.
3. There is a project underway at Wikimedia to make Incubator projects easier. It's not so simple, but we're really trying.
4. Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia is an old project that existed before the rules for translatewiki.net existed. At this point, Zazaki (Dimli) has enough translated at translatewiki.net that this will not get in the way of project approvals.

If you have any questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) (administrator) 14:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Sizi anlıyorum. Sizler de bizi anlayın lütfen. Her internet sitesinin şartları vardır. Sizin bile yönetici seçilmeniz için şartlar oluşturuldu. Siz şartları sağladığınız için seçildiniz. incubator projesinde de bazı şartlar var.

1. Minimum 10 değişiklik istiyorsunuz. Pekala benim yapacağım katkının 10 veya 100 olması sizin için bir şey ifade ediyor mu?
2. diq.wikipedia.org için Türkiye'den erişim sağlanamıyor. Avrupa'da ikamet eden kullanıcılar için şu an açık. İstesek bile diq.wikipedia.org için katkı yapamıyoruz. Diğer zazaca projeler yıllardır incubator.wikimedia.org adresinde bekliyor. Kukla kullanıcılar problemi var. Biz şimdilik 2 kişiyiz. @Azminwan denen kullanıcıyı tanımıyoruz. Giç bir kullanıcı için size garanti veremeyiz. Eğer siz, 3 kullanıcı proje için yeterli değil, minimum 5 kullanıcı istiyoruz diyorsanız. Kusura bakmayın, ben yaratıcı (God, Allah, Yahova, Buda veya başka bir ilah) değilim. Size fazladan 2-3 kullanıcı yaratamam. Belki yarın ben de ölürüm. Kendim için bile garanti veremem.
3. Türkiye'de dil yasakları 2000'li yıllara kadar devam etti. Şu anda 2 üniversitede departman açılmıştır. Wiktionary projesini üniversitelerden mezun olacak öğretmenlerimiz için açmak istiyoruz. Yola çıktığımız zaman zazaca eser makale ve dergiler için bir depo ihtiyacımız var. Wikisource.org depolama alanı olsun diye uğraşıyoruz. Ülkemizde Türkçe ve kürtçe için wikisource.org alan adı var. Bizim neden wikisource.org adresimiz olmasın diye, yola çıktık.
4. Sizin için buradaki kodlar, diller, kullanıcılar, kelimeler sadece rakamlardanvya sadece istatistiklerden ibaret olabilir ama bizim için sayılardan, rakamlardan, istatistiklerden fazlası var. Buderan (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Google translation from Turkish:

I understand you. You guys understand us too, please. Each website has its terms. The conditions were created for you to be an administrator. You have been selected for the conditions. There are some conditions in the incubator project.

1. You want a minimum of 10 changes. So does it make any sense for you to have a 10 or 100 contribution?
2. Unable to access from Turkey to diq.wikipedia.org. It is currently open for users residing in Europe. We can't even contribute to diq.wikipedia.org if we want to. Other zazaki projects have been waiting for years at incubator.wikimedia.org. Puppet users have problems. We're 2 now. We do not recognize the user named @Aminmin. We cannot guarantee you for a user. If you are saying, 3 users are not enough for the project, we want a minimum of 5 users. I'm sorry, I'm not creative (God, God, God, Buddha or some other god). I can't create you extra 2-3 users. Maybe tomorrow I'il die too. I can't even guarantee for myself.
3. the language was forbidden in Turkey continued until the 2000s. Currently 2 departments have been opened. We would like to open the Wiktionary project for our graduates who will graduate from universities. When we hit the road, we need a warehouse for work articles and magazines. Wikisource.org storage area, we're dealing with. Our country has wikisource.org domain name for Turkish and Kurdish. We weren't our wikisource.org address, so we set off.
4. For you, codes, languages, users, words can only be numbers and statistics, but there are more than numbers, numbers, statistics. Buderan (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Translation placed by StevenJ81 (talk) 14:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Buderan:

1. Turkey blocks *.wikipedia.org domains; we can't directly change that. I don't think that applies to Incubator or other non-Wikipedia domain names.
2. It does not matter so much if you know @Azminwan. What matters is whether that person's contributions are productive.
   • If they are, the Zazaki/Dimli Wiktionary and Wikivoyage projects would now be eligible for approval, and next week I can put them before LangCom for approval.
   • If that user's contributions are not productive—and I see that the user is indefinitely blocked on Zazaki/Dimli Wikipedia—then we need a third user. (That would probably also mean that you would have a lot to clean up in these two tests before we could consider approving.)

You tell me whether that user's contributions are productive in these projects. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

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• Öncelikle cevap verdiğiniz için çok teşekkür ederim.
• Google translate %100 doğru çeviri yapmasa da söylemek istediğinizi az çok anladım.

1. Wikipedia dışındaki sitelere erişebiliyoruz.
2. @Azminwan kullanıcısını tanımıyoruz, dünyada 1 milyon zaza insanı yaşıyor, hepsini tanımamız mümkün değil :) wiktionary ve wikivoyage üzerinde yaptığı katkılar var. Kullandığı dialekti farklı olsa da anlaşılıyor. Eğer bir yerde hata yapsa da düzeltebiliriz.

1. Langcom bildirilmesi için bir problem kalmadı. (siz başka dillerde olan projeleri bile aynı yere bildirebilirsiniz, çünkü pek çok dilde kullanıcılar katkı yapıyor)

1. üçüncü bir kullanıcı şimdilik zor ama projeler açıldıktan sonra dil bilimcilerden destek almamız gerekecek. Çünkü wiktionary projesinde her sayfa için kaynak eklememiz gerekiyor. Bunu yapmamız için zazaca kitap ve sözlük yazarlarıyla irtibata geçiyoruz. Buderan (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

• First of all, thank you so much for answering.
• Although Google does not translate 100% accurate, I understand that you want to say more.

1. We have access to sites other than Wikipedia.
2. We do not know @Azminwan, we live 1 million zaza people in the world, we can not recognize them all :) wiktionary and wikivoyage have contributions on it. The dialect that he uses can be understood to be different. If we make a mistake, we can fix it.
3. There is no problem for Langcom. (you can even report projects in other languages, because in many languages users are contributing)
4. a third user is difficult at the moment, but after the projects are opened we will need to get support from linguists. Because we need to add resources for each page in the wiktionary project. In order to do this, we are contacting zazaki book and dictionary authors. Buderan (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Translation placed by Ebe123 (^{Talkabout it}|_contribs) 23:40, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Templates on page not showing

Please click the Edit source button followed by Templates Used button in Wp/khw/ڈرافٹ of Khowar Wikipedia. I am actually not able to see the various templates used in that page. How can this problem be resolved?Adithyak1997 (talk) 18:40, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking me. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I mean, the listing of templates is not present in Khowar Wikipedia.Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:14, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: Oh, I think I just saw what you meant. Try going into edit mode, then clicking where it says <Templates used on this page:> (to close the "non-list") and then clicking it again (to reopen it). I'm not sure why it's not working right, but I think that will solve your problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I don't know whether it's my fault. I am not able to see the templates yet. But I have found an alternative partial solution by going onto [this] page. In that, under the section Page Properties.Adithyak1997 (talk) 18:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

You need to go into edit mode, click preview, and then it should be shown. --MF-W {a, b} 17:28, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

But Show Preview button only shows the layout right? How can that menu show the templates used? I am not getting it.Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Integrating audio and video recordings

Are there any guidelines for the usage of sound and video recordings that are specific to Incubator? --47.156.0.180 03:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Uploading images, videos, and recordings is disabled on the incubator. You can upload any files on Wikimedia Commons. Any files uploaded there can be used directly here. For any specific questions regarding licensing or help uploading files, I redirect you to the Community portal there. --OWTB (talk) 09:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Creating redirects

I have currently created the pages Template:Wp/khw/Redirect, Module:Wp/khw/Redirect hatnote. I would like to know what else needs to be done, so that the statement #REDIRECT [[<name of destination page>]] will work. Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to do. #REDIRECT is built into the MediaWiki software and works without a template. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry. It was my mistake. I gave space between # and REDIRECT. Sorry.Adithyak1997 (talk) 16:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced namespace?

I would like to know whether there is any problem with the heading Template:Wp/khw/Wikipedia:Traduzione della settimana/TDS originale. I mean related to namespaces. Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

It's of course strange to have an Italian title in Khowar Wikipedia, but titles like Template:Wikipedia: do work. --MF-W {a, b} 10:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

I am not sure. But I think if your above statement is correct, then I think this will also work (I guess). Adithyak1997 (talk) 11:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

You can verify whether it is correct by looking at the pages on enwiki, to which I linked... --MF-W {a, b} 20:23, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Adding a category

I think the category Category:Pages with script errors needs to be added to the category Category:Maintenance:(all), since script errors are also part of maintenance. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Probably a good idea. So I did it. Well, I actually had to create the category page first. But then I did it. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Script error

I am not able to find the script error in the page Module:Wp/khw/Navbar/doc. The error goes when I remove the first line in the doc starting with module rating. Please check if somebody can solve it. Adithyak1997 (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

There really aren't so many coding experts here. I do think it's pretty unusual for a module to call a template, which is effectively what you're doing. Here are a couple of thoughts:

• Move the module rating template call into the module page itself, with "noincludes" around it. (I don't know if that works on a module page.)
• Maybe better: rewrite the module rating template as a module, in a way where it only functions on the module page itself, but won't then be called when the module is called, if that's possible.

But I'm no expert on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I need quite sometime to check that. Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I have a small doubt regarding your solution mentioned above. Actually, what is meant by 'it's pretty unusual for a module to call a template'. Do you mean that the Module calls the template Module rating?Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:19, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I guess the same problem is seen in the page Module:Wp/mni/Citation/CS1/doc. I don't know to which wiki this doc file belongs to. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Anyway, I'd like to see if someone knowing more about it than I do will jump in here. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: The problem was that some magic word-like template produced an output containing the tracking category [[Category:Wp/khw/Pages which use a template in place of a magic word|FP00Wp/khw/Navbar/doc]]. I don’t know which one it was, but I replaced all magic word-like template with the actual magic words in Template:Wp/khw/Module rating, and it fixed the issue. (I found the error message by searching for “Scribunto” in the HTML source code (Ctrl+U in most browsers). It’s encoded, but the error message itself is mostly readable without decoding.) —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:37, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: Thanks a lot. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Module issue

Can anybody in this wiki look into this [3] what I missed here? I am unable to correct this, please --Noorwalijan86 (talk) 06:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Noorwalijan86: The problem is that you haven't created the file Module:Wp/khw/Location map/data/ایران . Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Noorwalijan86: Sorry for late reply. Please check now. Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:27, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: thank you--Noorwalijan86 (talk) 07:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposal to modify the Wikimedia Language Proposal Policy

There is a proposal on Meta to modify the language proposal policy. The proposed changes can be found here, with discussion on that page's talk page. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:54, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Translation extension behavior

Is it normal that on pages marked for translation I cannot edit sections in the original article? I get the "Cannot find section" error. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:33, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Xbspiro: In which page did you encounter such an error (I don't know anything about it). Adithyak1997 (talk) 09:36, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997:See Help:FAQ in English for example. Seemingly if you break the title marking ( === title === ) so that it starts in one line and ends in another, the section edit button won't work. And it is done regularly to insert <translate> tags. - Xbspiro (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Xbspiro: Just check that page history. Adithyak1997 (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: Yeah, that is one example. - Xbspiro (talk) 19:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

@Xbspiro, Adithyak1997: It is normal behavior on these pages. If this is caused by the issue you mention above, @Xbspiro (and it might be, I don't know), I think you will find that the extension itself breaks the titles when it runs the markup routine. Working hard to avoid that would be difficult. It would mean you would absolutely have to add the <translate> tags for every change yourself, manually, which is a lot of work. In general, if I have to edit a page marked for translation, I just edit the whole page, which always works. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, Adithyak1997: I suggest adding __NOEDITSECTION__ to these pages. @StevenJ81 - section editing works on pages with correct title markings, such as IRC, so problems with that are the main culprit. Seemingly it was a human choice to insert translate tags like that. I would correct the markup, but I am not sure if I can do that as a regular user. And if I were to proceed, markup to all translations (assuming they would survive modifying their borders) should be added by hand. Could we create a test-page for translation? I know that this is a low priority issue, so saying no is totally okay. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997, Xbspiro: I'm sure you know the extension better than I do, Xbspiro. On one hand, I'm pretty sure that you can correct the markup as long as the page is not fully protected for some reason. (What would happen next is that the header on the page would say "changes since last marked for translation"—see the Main Page right now for an example—and then I'd need to come by and click that to finally incorporate whatever markup changes you have made.

On the other hand, these pages are not supposed to be edited frequently, and I don't think it's much of a problem to tell people to edit the full page on the rare occasions that needs to happen. Is it worth correcting all that markup—and at least nominally requiring translators to go in and check translations—just so those few pages can be infrequently edited by section? I wouldn't, myself, but the community can decide if wants that.

I'm certainly happy to create a translation sandbox if you want. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

How to edit the local name of a language?

Incubator:Wikis shows that the local name of the Okinawan language is "沖縄口/ウチナーグチ". I would like to know how to remove the "/ウチナーグチ" part. --YukaSylvie (talk) 00:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amire80: Is this a CLDR issue, or a bug within MediaWiki? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@YukaSylvie: Please check now. @StevenJ81: If my edit is controversial, please do revert it. Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I think this is a CLDR issue. --YukaSylvie (talk) 04:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

That page is populated locally. In other places it is populated by CLDR, and is beyond our control. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:37, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

I discovered inconsistencies. The Wikibooks is 沖縄口, the Wikipedia, the Wikivoyage are うちなーぐち (沖縄口), and the Wiktionary is 沖縄語. I would like to change them to 沖縄口. --YukaSylvie (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Done --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:55, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! --YukaSylvie (talk) 01:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Purpose of the category

I would like to know the purpose of the category Category:Maintenance:Pages using deprecated templates. I mean the method to solve that issue. Adithyak1997 (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Well...in theory, its purpose is exactly what it says: it contains pages using templates that are deprecated. In practice, the only such template currently feeding the category is {{Test language}}. In the days before we had {{Test wiki}} available in order to create info pages for tests, the main category page for each test was supposed to be built with this template. It provided some information on the test, and placed the test category as a subcategory of Category:Incubator:All test wikis.

That template became deprecated when we started using {{Test wiki}} and info pages. But it's only deprecated in the sense that it's no longer "required". We now require an info page using {{Test wiki}}. But when people stopped using {{Test language}}, tests were no longer automatically being put into Category:Incubator:All test wikis. That's why I created {{Root category template}}—so that at least that functionality would be retained.

All that having been said, though, there's really nothing wrong with {{Test language}} (except that it renders oddly on pages of RTL tests, something I really ought to fix). And there's no reason to remove it from the many pages where it already exists. And it's not even so terrible if someone wants to put it on a root category page, as long as there is also an info page. So, to be honest, I'm inclined to remove the categorization to there from {{Test language}}. That should empty the category rapidly. (The documentation on the template will still read "Deprecated template", but since there is no need to remove the template from the many pages where it exists, there's no need for the pages to be in a maintenance category.)

Thoughts, anyone? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

User Preferences Maintenance

I would like to know what is meant by the Test wiki (maintenance). I have got that while visiting the dropdown list of the option Test wiki in the [Preferences] section. Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

That setting is really for Incubator administrators (not test-administrators). It does a couple of things:

1. You probably know that you cannot create unprefixed pages in the main, template and module namespaces. If you try to go to such an unprefixed page and it doesn't exist (red link), the system will tell you that you can create "Wx/xxx/foobar" (or "Template:Wx/xxx/foobar"). If your test is set to (maintenance), the system will tell you (in either case!) that you can create "Incubator:foobar". In other words, your "test" is the Incubator: namespace. Mostly, that isn't useful if you're not an administrator working on overall project pages.
   • In contrast, if your test is None/all, the system will not name a default page until you tell it what your test preference is. But even so, if you try to create a prefixed page, it will let you.
2. Similarly, the second set of menus down on the navigation bar at left (at right in RTL projects) is test-specific. If you choose (maintenance), your test becomes the Incubator: namespace, and your recent changes and random page are drawn from there. If you choose None/all, the title changes to "Navigation", and the recent changes and random page cover the entire Incubator.

More often than not, I have some test chosen, because I'm trying to look at a specific test, and selecting it makes navigation much more convenient. When I'm working on overall Incubator maintenance, I choose "(maintenance)". StevenJ81 (talk) 16:20, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

From the details provided by you in point 1, I have a very small suggestion. The option (maintenance) should not be shown to normal users as well as those who have only test wiki right. Do note that this is just a suggestion and not necessary that it must be done. Adithyak1997 (talk) 16:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

In principle, you're probably right. In practice, (1) we probably wouldn't get a high-enough priority from the developers to bother, and (2) for someone who works on many different tests, as you do, sometimes it may be more convenient for the system not to be assuming what test you're working on. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Localization link not working

I would like to know the reason why the link 'Check localisation requirements' present under the section requirements of the Main page not working. Since I have run a tool in Wmflabs, I was able to understand that the tool is down. Was that tool actually abandoned? Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

No, it normally works. @MF-Warburg, SPQRobin: StevenJ81 (talk) 03:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg, SPQRobin, StevenJ81, Adithyak1997: checked the link but the link has been disabled, I have translated more than 500 interface messages into khowar, the localization requirement has already been completed. I request the admn to enable the link. regards --RAChitrali 04:16, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

First of all, please stop pinging me all the time. Second, yes, codelookup is down, but I am unable to fix the issue. --MF-W {a, b} 07:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: ok sir--RAChitrali 08:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Lol. --MF-W {a, b} 08:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it due to Toolforge deprecation? Adithyak1997 (talk) 08:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes. --MF-W {a, b} 10:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: sorry sir for pinging you. We are pinging someone when we stuck up in a technical issue, then we discuss the issue with this Community Portal pinging some expert person like you,@StevenJ81: and @SPQRobin:.I assure you sir in future we'll not ping you. once again sorry sir for inconvenience --RAChitrali 09:03, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

What the actual heck. --MF-W {a, b} 10:38, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I have actually send a mail to SPQRobin. What I have understood is that the tool has not yet migrated to Stretch from Trusty job grid (From WMFLabs). Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

I haven't got any replies from both of them relating to adding me as a co-maintainer for the tool. Are there any suggestions to solve this issue? Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Adithyak, Robin isn't around much any more, though MF-W talks to him by email sometimes. @MF-W, this user is looking to help maintain the tool. I'm not in a position to help him. Who is? StevenJ81 (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Infobox actor

I have recently created this article [Wp/khw/ڈورس_ڈے] but the infobox template is not working properly, can anybody suggest how to fix this issue?--Noorwalijan86 (talk) 06:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Noorwalijan86: Please check now. The problem with infobox is that it does not contain any values. Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@Noorwalijan86: thanks --Noorwalijan86 (talk) 09:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Talk pages consultation: Phase 2

The Wikimedia Foundation is currently conducting a global consultation about communication. The goal is to bring Wikimedians and wiki-minded people together to improve tools for communication.

Phase 1 of the consultation is over – thank you to everyone who participated! – and we've published the Phase 1 report. The report summarizes what people have said and what we've learned, proposes a direction for the project, and asks specific questions to explore in Phase 2.

Very briefly, the proposed direction is that wikitext talk pages should be improved, and not replaced. We propose building a new design on top of talk pages that changes the page's default appearance, and offers key tools like replying, indenting and signing posts. To keep consistency with existing tools, the new design will be a default experience that existing users can opt out of. We also propose building features that experienced contributors want, including the ability to watchlist a single discussion, and the ability to move, archive and search for threads. Building these features may require some loss of flexibility, or small-to-medium changes in wikitext conventions. The goal is to only make changes that directly enable functionality that users really want.

You can see more information and discussion about the proposed direction in the Phase 1 report, including the results of new user tests and some of the quotations from Phase 1 discussions that led to this proposal.

Now it's time to start Phase 2!

We have six questions to discuss in Phase 2, asking for reactions to the proposed direction, and pros and cons for specific changes that we could make.

You can help by hosting a discussion at your wiki. Here's what to do:

1. First, sign up your group here.
2. Next, create a page (or a section on a Village pump, or an e-mail thread – whatever is natural for your group) to collect information from other people in your group.
3. Then start the conversation with the six questions listed in the Questions for Phase 2 section of the report.
4. When the conversation is concluded, the host should write a summary of the discussion on the Phase 2 community discussion summaries page, and report what you learned from your group. Please include links if the discussion is available to the public.

You can read more about the overall process on MediaWiki.org. If you have questions or ideas, you can leave feedback about the consultation process in the language you prefer.

Thank you! We're looking forward to talking with you. DannyH (WMF) (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Changing namespace

I have recently deleted the Module named Wp/khw/Module:Arguments due to problem with prefix. I would like to know while moving the template doc named Wp/khw/Module:Arguments/doc, whether the namespace needs to be changed from Main to Template or not. Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Modules, templates and their documentation go in Module or Template namespace here. Thus Module:Wp/khw/Arguments/doc. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Issue of user's counting in Catanalysis statistics

It seems to be an issue in statistics (ie [4]). In these, since 2 days, all the edits made are attributed to a "user" named user: which does not exist, while the history of each article created or edited records correctly things.

This is not a fundamental problem, except for activity and eligibility analyzes (number of active contributors and which ones). Thank you. Axel xadolik (talk) 08:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

The issue keeps up at the beginning of June. It seems general to all the Incubator, because there is also for Khowar [5] or Balinese [6], and all the other tests, I suppose. This is boring. This surely results from a faulty updating of the script of these statistics (by whom?). Thank you. Axel xadolik (talk) 06:50, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I'm the Catanalysis tool author. The script hasn't changed, but the Wikimedia database did. I'll be migrating tools over the next few days; once that happens for catanalysis, the data will be retroactively correct again. —Pathoschild 03:15, 03 June 2019 (UTC)

Catanalysis is migrated; let me know if you notice any issues! —Pathoschild 06:10, 03 June 2019 (UTC)

I have a small doubt. When I checked the user contributions of the wiki Wp/khw, I was able to understand that there were edits from someone with the name (anonymous). Does that mean those with IPs? Also, I would like to inform you that I didn't see any other issues as stated above regarding the contributions of'User:'. Adithyak1997 (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yep, those are edits by users who didn't log in. —Pathoschild 15:40, 03 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pathoschild: Bonjour et merci. Le problème semble effectivement résolu et les résultats renvoyés apparaissent cohérents.

J'ai cherché un peu partout mais je n'ai rien trouvé : est-ce qu'il existerait un outil permettant d'obtenir une vue synthétique de la progression comparée des (principaux) projets présents dans l'Incubator ? Je sais que cela existe pour le Wikipedia officiel, mais pour l'Incubator ? Peut-être quelque chose de mensuel qui renseignerait sur le nombre de nouveaux articles, le poids moyen des articles créés (nombre de stubs par exemple), le % d'articles sans aucune catégorie reliée ou lien inséré, des informations de ce genre, utiles pour se faire une opinion synoptique de l'avancement des projets et de leur recevabilité par le LangCom...

Pour ma part, concernant le projet Kotava (Wp/avk) dont je suis responsable de test, j'ai "bricolé" un petit tableau très médiocre pour essayer de suivre un peu (ici). Mais s'il existe mieux, ce serait vraiment un plus.

Merci. Axel xadolik (talk) 09:30, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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@Pathoschild: Hello and thank you. The problem seems effectively solved and the returned results appear consistent.

I searched everywhere but I did not find anything: would there be a tool to obtain a summary view of the comparative progress of the (main) projects in the Incubator? I know it exists for the official Wikipedia, but for the Incubator? Maybe something monthly that would provide information on the number of new articles, the average weight of articles created (number of stubs for example),% of articles without any related category or link inserted, information of this kind, useful to get a synoptic view of the progress of projects and their admissibility by LangCom ...

For my part, about the project Kotava (Wp/avk) which I am responsible for testing, I "tinkered" a small table very poor to try to follow a little (here). But if it exists better, it would be really a plus.

Thank you

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Catanalysis en inclut certaines (tel que le nombre de pages créées chaque mois), mais il n'existe aucun outil pour les autres à ma connaissance. Malheureusement, il n'est pas possible de tous les ajouter à Catanalysis puisque chaque statistique augmente les temps de chargement. Si une statistique est particulièrement utile, je pourrais toutefois l'ajouter à Catanalysis. —Pathoschild 15:40, 03 June 2019 (UTC)

A proposal for WikiJournals to become a new sister project

Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group has been building and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki platform. The main types of articles are:

• Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review and feedback (example)
• From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to Wikipedia (example)
• Original research articles that are not imported to Wikipedia (example)

Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project

From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to Featured article review, but bridging the gap with external experts, implementing established scholarly practices, and generating citable, doi-linked publications.

Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! Evolution and evolvability (talk) 04:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Removal of a page from a namespace (Wy/ml)

Just visit page Category:Wy/ml/Templates. In that page, I would like to know how I can remove the pages Wy/ml/കേരളം, Wy/ml/താണിക്കുടം and Wy/ml/തെന്മല which are just articles and not a template. I have tried to move the page but since the heading needs to be changed, I was not knowing about a better method which led me to asl the question here. Adithyak1997 (talk) 07:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

OK. So what happened here is that those pages are inheriting the category from templates that they are using. What you have to do is to go to the templates and enclose the categorization link (i.e., [[Category:Wy/ml/Templates]]) in <noinclude></noinclude> tags. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the solution. Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

ISBN Magic links

I have recently seen from a discussion in English Wikipedia that ISBN,RFC and PMID magic links needs to be replaced by templates. I would like to know whether the same replacement needs to be done on projects in Incubator or not. Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Magic links are not currently disabled on Incubator, and we have no immediate plans to do so, for two reasons:

• In active projects, in many cases the people working on the projects know how to create content, but don't know how to code templates. We don't need to make their work more difficult right now.
• We have many dormant projects, and there is no reason we need the links to become cold in them.

That having been said, magic links may eventually be removed from MediaWiki core, and we may have no choice at some point in the future. Additionally, "best practices" certainly encourage the use of templates in place of the magic links. So if you are able to do this (and you, personally, undoubtedly are), you probably should, especially for projects that seem pretty close to approval review. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

The magic words principle is technically interesting and consumes far fewer client resources than templates. It is more the multiplication of nested templates which can pose problems in term of execution and maintainig.

What I find more harmful in some wikis of the incubator is rather the use of big templates copied from Wikipedia's main wikis in articles where the "real" content does not exceed a few lines. Some text, some contextual images and, above all, a good ranking of categories and many internal links, this is much more interesting and effective. Axel xadolik (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I was actually planning to run a bot which uses this source code which is currently used in English wikipedia for the same task. If I can use that code to work in AWB, I think I can do it. The problem is that in Incubator, the page name also contain prefixes. So I am planning in asking to JJMC89 to check if he can add a feature to the code so that it can be used here. @Axel xadolik: You told that large codes are used instead of very few lines. But, at a time when all the pages of a Wikipedia being translated into a language in Incubator, won't it require all that lines of code? (Just a doubt. Do note that I have not yet created a single template of my own.) Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997, Axel xadolik: Axel, I completely agree. People should almost always look to Simple English Wikipedia, or some other wiki where they speak the language, to take templates. Enwiki templates are very involved and use a lot of modules. Most of the time, for projects like we have here, that is completely unnecessary. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Local Name

how do i change the local name of a language? Oostfreeske Taal (frs) should be ōstfräiske tóól — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.55.194.254 (discussion • contribs) 11:40, 14 June 2019 (UTC).

Unfortunately, this is not easy to do, because language names are managed in the Unicode Common Locale Data Repository, not in any Wikimedia project. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Rename

Please, rename Wy/be/Магілеўская вобласць to Wy/be/Магілёўская вобласць. 217.117.125.72 10:32, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Done StevenJ81 (talk) 15:14, 19 June 2019 (UTC)