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Template Translation for Incubator[edit]

I am unable to translate this template: fr:Modèle:Infobox Graphème into english and khowar. Can anybody translate this from french language to english. This template is necessary for creating pages of six uniquely pronounced special characters of Khowar Language, Please translate this into english so that i'll translate this into Khowar language. This template is only available in French Wikipedia. Regards -- RAChitrali 01:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll try to tackle in the next day or two. What I think I'd like to do is this:
  • You create a template page in the Khowar test where you would like this to go. (You can create it with simple text like "placeholder".)
  • I will import the template from French Wikipedia, then translate it in place into English.
  • Then you translate it in place to Khowar.
OK? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:02, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Stock post message.svg Doing...  Didn't hear from you. Imported to User:StevenJ81/Modèle:Infobox Graphème along with a documentation subpage. This will take a while; please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
I want to create in khowar like this[1] Thanks --RAChitrali 15:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Do you still want this? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:, yes sir--RAChitrali 08:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: your above module is not working.--RAChitrali 06:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: I forgot about this. Will try to get it done before end of December. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: thanks--RAChitrali 07:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Rinconada Bikol[edit]

How to approved as a wiki, aprroved Rinconada Bikol as Wikipedia. thanks ShiminUfesoj (talk) 12:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

I will look over your test in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Steven Well. There is a requirement to approve a wiki right? ShiminUfesoj (talk) 16:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Well Steven Well. There is a requirement to approve a wiki right? What is it? -ShiminUfesoj (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
@ShiminUfesoj: For starters, you need a community of contributors, not just a single contributor. See this page. The way we define a community (for this purpose) is:
  • For a minimum of three consecutive months (and then continuing until project approval), there needs to be during each month ...
  • A minimum of three registered users, making
  • At least ten edits each during the month.
Your test met that requirement only for a brief period during 2014–5, and certainly not recently.
Additionally, there needs to be enough content in the test, and there is a minimum requirement of translation of the interface at translatewiki.net. But start with gathering a community around you. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Filipinayzd, Ringer, FroyAgta look for the requirements. --ShiminUfesoj (talk) 15:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Will there be "additional" requirements once we achieve the current requirement? --Filipinayzd (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Balochi and Khowar articles with hCards errors[edit]

@MF-Warburg: @StevenJ81: Some of the Balochi and Khowar articles showing hCards errors, please see [2] Can anybody fix these hCards errors? thanks --RAChitrali 05:51, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Has this been resolved yet? Could you link to an example with an error please? Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 23:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Not yet been fixed, waiting for your help in this regard.--RAChitrali 09:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't even know what you mean by this. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Enable arbitrary access before sitelinks?[edit]

Filed as phab:T209207

Since sitelinks support is still blocked elsewhere (probably T206426 Storing multiple sitelinks to a multilingual wiki), I'm finding consensus to fix our Category:Pages_with_script_errors by deploying Wikidata Phase 2 (arbitrary access) support first, note that this is already working on Multilingual Wikisource, so there's IMHO only consensus question. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Also, admins, please make the redlink cat. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
"Why is this not yet enabled" is a better question than "should this be done". --MF-W {a, b} 11:20, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
We talked about ths once before and people agreed. Meantime, though, of course we should do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 06:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

So far, there's a "bad luck" that, please do not touch "add sitelinks" button on the left, under "other languages", you won't be able to create an item on Wikidata by this way. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikimedia project page <- thank you. --14:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

TemplateStyles can't work on editing?[edit]

When I try fixing some Citation CS1 errors on e.g. Wp/mni/ꯂꯣꯟꯆꯠ ꯄꯊꯥꯞ, I've got Page Module:Wp/mni/Citation/CS1/styles.css must have content model "Sanitized CSS" for TemplateStyles (current model is "Scribunto")., but then I tried to copy-paste from en:Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css, I have noticed that I can't publish my edits because "The document contains errors. Are you sure you want to save?" and "Error: Lua error at line 1: unexpected symbol near '/'.", can someone who knows TemplateStyles please help me on this matter? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Fixed. I have changed the content model for the page linked. However, please note that template styles should be created in the Template namespace and not in the Module namespace, as the Module namespace is reserved for Scribunto modules only (Note: This issue is also tracked in Phabricator). --Hydriz (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
Note: usually, in cases where you'd need TemplateStyles, you'd have a template calling the output of a module. So the template, not the module, is what is going to need TemplateStyles. It's going to be pretty unusual for main body copy ever to call the output of a module directly, and at that I'd imagine it would need to provide the output as plain body text anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Je cherche le responsable francophone du "codage informatique" d'un projet Wikimédia Incubator[edit]

Bonjour, je n'arrive pas à trouver qui est le responsable "informatique" (codage?) du projet suivant https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/arq/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%BE%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D9%91%D8%A9?fbclid=IwAR2qBimv_7f8SksjsO2RC5MgQZh7s8mNoJilRSK8e0s2JRn1NrAdwYz3w04 C'est le projet d'un Wiki en algérien, j'ai trouvé les contributeurs mais pas les "informaticiens", ce projet est écrit en arabe algérien mais la structure du wiki est en français, donc je suppose que l'informaticien est français Comment le trouver? J'ai besoin qu'il arrange certains trucs et nous aide, le codage j'y comprend rien, je sais seulement écrire un article simple.
Merci infiniment. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kellybundy (discussioncontribs) 10:12, 27 November 2018 (UTC).

La structure du wiki est disponable en n'importe quelle langue on veut. On choisit la langue en haut de la page.
Qu'est-ce qui est ta question? StevenJ81 (talk) (administrateur) 14:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

wminc-infopage-title[edit]

Hello. I have a question about "wminc-infopage-title" in Template:Test wiki. As you can see in "MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-..." (e.g. MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p), it is ordered by language name and project name, such as "Assamese Wikibooks", if user language is English. And it is the same in Chinese (阿萨姆语维基教科书; "Assamese Wikibooks"). But in some cases, it is ordered by project name and language name, such as "위키책 아삼어" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Korean and "ウィキブックスアッサム語" ("Wikibooks Assamese") in Japanese, and it is seems to be a little awkward. So, I want to change this like English, but I don't know where it is. Could somebody help me about this? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 14:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: It may very well be that different languages have different conventions as to how to handle these things. And to be perfectly honest, we don't necessarily do it consistently in English, either. For example, compare "Assamese Wiktionary" here on Incubator to "Wiktionary Assamese" on Meta. As long as what we're talking about is clear and understandable—and in this case I think it is—I don't think it is productive to fuss with this. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Sorry? My point is that "language name + project name" is better than "project name + language name" in Korean or Japanese language, like English just now. I didn't say that we will change english name order. Please change your language to Korean or Japanese on Special:Preferences, and visit Wt/as page and see subheading. Then, I think you will understand my point. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
@Garam: I fully understand your point. I'm saying it doesn't matter enough to do the work to fix it. We use both word orders from time to time in English, and it doesn't really matter; people fully understand what we're talking about. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Of course, in English it doesn't matter. But in Korean or Japanese language it does matter. My second point is why that order between Chinese and Korean/Japanese version in article are different, and how I can make both the same order from "(project) (language)" of Korean/Japanese page to "(language) (project)" such as Chinese page. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
@Garam: OK. I'll look into it. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: I think I have an answer for you. Look at the following files and tell me if they're in the right order or not: translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ko and translatewiki:MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ja. I have a feeling I will need to fix all of the related pages over there. But please tell me first what you would like fixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Oh, yes. That is what I am looking forward to. Thanks a lot. I want to fix all, like MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/zh-hans type: MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-s/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-t/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-q/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-y/ko, MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-b/ko and MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-n/ko. And do you know where do you know where I can translate language name ($1 in MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/en)? Because some language names on Incubator are not translated on Korean/Japanese language, such as "Okinawan" of Wt/ryu. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 07:39, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

@Garam: OK. Here's the plan, then:

  1. The files you gave me are all local Incubator files, not translatewiki files. I am going to fix the first two, just reversing the two elements, then you'll tell me if things look right. If so, I'll do the rest of the local files.
  2. Once those are done, I'll address the first two files on translatewiki. Note that corrections there can take a few days to be downloaded from there to here, so be patient.
  3. If that works, then I'll suggest you create an account at translatewiki—it's not part of the WMF unified login group—request "translator" permission there, and start working on the rest yourself.

OK?
Language names are more complicated. Will address these in a bit. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:59, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

First two done. Please get back to me. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@Garam, StevenJ81: Please see what we the actual Chinese user called them at zh:Template:Wikipedia_editions, following the actual Chinese grammars, we should always call them "XX语维基百科"/"XX語維基百科", currently it's wrongly shown 维基百科 XX语 which violates the Chinese grammar, please rollback the wrong "fix" of MediaWiki:Wminc-infopage-title-p/zh-hans. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: There was no space between when I found it, and no space in your version. Is that correct? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
That MediaWiki page shows "维基百科 $1", please change it back to "$1维基百科", thx. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: And for reason that no space used, please see [3], there's no space existing between any Chinese scripts. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:24, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
Will do. @-revi: Are the Korean ones correct or incorrect? Thanks for your help. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: User revi doesn't use ping tool now. So, I went ahead and called user revi. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 10:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi Steven, I'm busy IRL till end of year, care to provide TLDR? (I have ping enabled (as email only), but it's just that my inbox is more than full.) — regards, Revi 12:07, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Revi. TLDR: Garam thinks the info page titles are in the wrong order when in Korean (e.g., they say "Wikipedia Korean" but should say "Korean Wikipedia"). Do you think they're correct or backwards? Or does it even matter? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:45, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
He is correct. I just use English for all wikis so I actually don't give much attention to translations these days. — regards, Revi 15:20, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81 --Garam (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata arbitrary access is now enabled[edit]

Hello all,

I'm happy to announce that you can now access data from Wikidata on Incubator :) You can use the different methods presented on Wikidata:How to use data on Wikimedia projects (parser function for basic usage, Lua for more advanced features) to include data from Wikidata in your pages.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask in the ticket or to ping me. Cheers, Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Hourra! Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 16:49, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
See phab:T209207. Thanks all who made this happen. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:50, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Материалы для написания статей на редких языках[edit]

Здравствуйте! Интересно, откуда участники берут информация по редким языкам для написания статей? Где изучают грамматику и лексику? Например, есть вот такая разрабатываемая Википедия на одном из редких языков Wp/wxa/Main Page — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.37.146.189 (discussioncontribs) 22:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC).

@Comp1089: Can you determine what this editor is requesting? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Better to ping @星耀晨曦: for test wikis of languages of China. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: What can I help? -- 星耀晨曦 (talk) 13:31, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Can you please judge if the Waxiang dialect has to use Latin scripts rather than Han scripts or not? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:33, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:: This editor is interested, where the other editors get the information for writing articles in rare languages, and where they learn the relevant grammar and vocabulary. --Comp1089 (talk) 11:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Comp1089: I suspect it's one of two ways: either the editors are already familiar with these rare languages, or they are "language geeks" who just know how to find these things. I'm not sure I have a better answer than that. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226, 星耀晨曦: Question about Waxiang's script is off-topic here. If you have a serious concern, move to a new discussion section, or discuss at Talk:Wp/wxa/Main Page. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:42, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Lua Memory Limits[edit]

Have the Lua memory limits or memory management changed in the past three or four months? I have a large page under construction (Wp/nod/User:RichardW57/sandbox) which had paused since 25 August as I investigated a transliteration issue, though I did make a minor change on 30 September. On resuming work, I found that rendering is now failing with "Lua error: not enough memory", which I had not noticed before. I had not changed the page since 30 September. I would have noticed the problem as soon as it started happening, as the problem is happening during transliteration (from Tai Tham to Thai) as my recent efforts have mostly been concentrated on getting the transliteration to work. It is easier to get the Thai transliteration proof-read.

A very minor change may have caused the problem, unless the garbage collector also compacts memory. I have some large strings (holding half the whole page as it should finally appear), and memory fragmentation could be causing me problems. Rule-based transliteration takes dozens of passes (see Module:Wp/nod/Translit2 if interested in the details). Is there any way to check if I am approaching limits? The English wiktionary reports Lua usage when editing - is there some preference I should be setting to see usage here? I may have to split the draft document for reasons of style. To progress work, I have temporarily split the document at section boundaries (into Wp/nod/User:RichardW57/sandbox/pt1 etc.); transliteration completes without reported error for each section separately, which may be a solution I need to implement. (That solution will fail if I then run up against time limits, as I suspect it will increase parsing and module loading time.) --RichardW57 (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

I've switched off the collection of debugging information that wasn't being output; that's approximately halved my memory usage with a working garbage collector, and seems to to have done the trick. However, it would still be useful to have some indication of how near the limit I come, though that may be tricky to produce if I am indeed relying on the garbage collector. --RichardW57 (talk) 22:30, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@RichardW57: I have a feeling you ought to ask this question on Meta or MediaWiki wiki or phabricator. I'm not sure anyone here has this level of knowledge on such issues. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

New language section Adlam script for Fulfude language[edit]

hi i would like to create a new language section of the fulah fulfulde language but whith ADLaM scrit. the latin and the ajami has not gotten anywhere and the ADLaM scrit is doing way better with millions now writting and reading in it, it is clearly the future for the fulfulde pulaar community. you can find people that can read and write adlam and not the ajami or latin. therefore to give wikipedia to the most remote people in the world a knowledge we need a section of this script just look at the fulfulde section of wikipedia its barely edited because those with high knowledge and culturally rich history can not write the latin but today they can wirte the adlam scrit to them its a pride as ADLAM can reflect every sound of the fulfulde easily but can not be the same for the latin or ajami scritp, therefore i need help on how to submit this request with the highest chance of getting approved, if i was to be asked the fulfulde section of wikipedia in latin should be deleted. people behind adlam are working 24/7 for its improvement now you have the script in windows and android apps even in google input tools, with inscriptions in hardvard and added in UNESCO as the official scritp. we have many contributors and can have up to 10 admins for starts and articles daily trasnlated in wich in a year we can have a thousonds of articles writtens, THANKS — The preceding unsigned comment was added by GANDALPULO (discussioncontribs) 20:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC).

You need to discuss this on the Fulah Wikipedia directly. They should either allow a script converter there, or else parallel pages in both scripts. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

A small technical problem[edit]

In the page Template:Translations, I guess the code needs to be edited so that only the languages are shown. I am not having much knowledge in editing them.Adithyak1997 (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg, Hydriz, Ooswesthoesbes: Can anyone help untangle this? StevenJ81 (talk) 21:54, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
That code exceeds my wiki knowledge. --OWTB (talk) 12:46, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Fixed. Why is this WP instance letting IPs with zero edits modify templates? – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:31, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
This isn't a "WP instance". But your point is well-taken, at least on templates like that. I will semiprotect. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Thanks for solving the issue.Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Secdem[edit]

Secdem.net sitesi 26.09.2016 yılında kurulmuş bir dini paylaşım platformudur. Sitenin içeriğinde İslami makalelere, dualara, hikayelere, tavsiyelere, Kuran-ı Kerim’e ve bir çok islami unsura yer verilmektedir. Ayrıca ortak değerlere sahip insanların beğendikleri veya istifade ettikleri kişisel gelişim konular hakkında ve eğitimle ilgili bilgiye erişebilirsiniz. Sitemizdeki bilgiler, bütün insanların istifadesi için hazırlanmıştır. Ayrıca bu site herhangi bir grubun sözcüsü veya temsilcisi değildir. Sitede yer alan hiçbir içerikte, zararlı sitelere yöndendirici veya farklı görüşleri empoze edici bağlantı bulunmamaktadır. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Secdemm (discussioncontribs).

@Secdemm: Bunu neden yazdın? —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:10, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Complicated Modules[edit]

Can anybody fix this Module Module:Wp/khw/Clickable_button_2/doc thanks --RAChitrali 04:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I have fixed it. Is this OK now? NinjaStrikers «» 06:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ninjastrikers: thanks for fixing this--RAChitrali 07:56, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Time Zone error[edit]

Can any gentleman fix this time zone error? in this article here [4] thanks --RAChitrali 04:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you think is an error. The article contains the template {{Wp/khw/Infobox settlement}}. It includes the parameter |UTC offset = +5. And the template's functionality says when there is a UTC offset, it is going to look for an article called Wp/khw/UTC+5 (or whatever the offset is). So it's doing what it's supposed to do. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Thanks --RAChitrali 06:35, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Project renaming request for Wp/ais[edit]

To all users that are more or less interested in contributing this Sakizaya test-Wikipedia:

As per the officially modified SIL change request 2018-015, and especially its official comment, the SIL International has in principle rejected the simple renaming of language name, but:

  1. Retired the ais for "Nataoran Amis". and
  2. Created the szy for "Sakizaya"

It's some what even confused by me and to me that, however, as this test project has a very large scale of contents, renaming ais -> szy works are really not easy, thus I need a lot of Incubator volunteers to help, that how many pages and/or source codes should we rename. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Pinging m:Wikimedia Taiwan staffs: @Ffaarr, Koala0090, Shangkuanlc, GDHFang, 林立云:@Shoichi, Yannmaco, Imacat, JM99, Alexsh:@Supaplex, Jasonzhuocn, Htchien, Reke, Natsu621: and active contributors (1000+ edits only) @John120814, Corainn, Dogoyes, Tokoabibi, Malataw:@Kuli.fat, Hafay12, Simpi.adingu, Tiway.sayiun: as announcement. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Already working on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
They'll probably go about 500 pages at a time, and then I will have to restore the info page. But that should work. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Mainspace pages now moved. There's actually only one template (NUMBER OF PAGES), so it can go last. I'm starting to work on categories now. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
25 subcategories fixed. I'm not sure I'll be able to finish this now, but people can feel free to continue fixing, or to leave this for me next week. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
OK. I finished, and I think I got it right. Someone should please go back and check me. That now having been said:
  • I have marked the request on Meta as eligible.
  • As noted there, someone needs to go to translatewiki.net and straighten things out over there.
  • In the process of fixing the categories, I got the strong sense that this test is overcategorized. Consider merging categories having fewer than three entries into either higher or sideways-related categories.
  • I'm going to let these changes settle down for a couple of weeks before looking into whether I should put this in front of LangCom for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much for both of your on time effort! I have learned this from the Aboriginal Study Center, the partner of Wikimedia Taiwan, but I have no clue how to make this transition happen smoothly in incubator. You have efficiently done this within in one day! Our partner is amazed by the effort and dedication of the community volunteers. I cannot appreciate enough for your timely manner and notice. Apart from showing my gratitude, please let me know if anything if we can do regarding this matter, thanks! --Shangkuanlc (talk) 10:42, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Lua Error[edit]

Can anybody fix the lua error in the Article namely Karachi Pakistan here [5] thanks--RAChitrali 04:49, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: I actually don't know that language. But I suggest you to check if the statements coordinates = {{wp/khw/coord|24|51|36|N|67|0|36|E|display=inline,title}} is correct. My main doubt is whether the values in left side needs to come in right or not. Because, after removing that statement, I was not getting any lua specific errors.Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/frs[edit]

It came to my attention that activity at Wp/frs has started (project to create an East Frisian Low Saxon Wikipedia). East Frisian Low Saxon is a dialect of Low Saxon (nds) and contributions in East Frisian Low Saxon are welcome on nds: (and we have active contributors from East Frisia since more than a decade).

The dialect has some distinct features but in written form is generally mutually intelligible with other Low Saxon dialects (by the way, the other dialects have own distinct features differentiating each of them from all of the others, but we can cope with that on nds.wp).

The project was started by User:Neronno‎ whose first edit was deleting the notice about using nds.wp and unilaterally changing the status of the project to 'open'.

I would like to know what the right path of action is. I'd like to close the project and return to the previous status (referring to nds.wp). And I would also like to change Wp/wep to that same status.

Low Saxon is a small language and nds.wp is a small project despite 15 years of constant activity by a small but stable community. Opening a second Low Saxon project could potentially divide our limited forces.

I asked Neronno whether he wants to participate in nds.wp instead, but he declined and fervently argued that an own project is necessary because of the distinct identity of the Frisians. To me it sounds like an attempt to create a tool to nation-build a Frisian nation ("We want our language to remain Frisian and be more Frisian in the future").

Thanks in advance for any help! --::Slomox:: >< 07:55, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Slomox:We dont want to build our own nation!

We just want to write our language like it is. There is a writing from Holger Weigelt that was rejected in the nds-Wikipedia. Also writings used in the Doornkaat-Koolmann arent compatible with the nds-Wikipedia. It features Āā Ēē Īī Ōō Ūū and Áá Éé Íí Óó Úú. I think this letters are also not accepted in the nds-Wikipedia. We want to use this writing in our Wikipedia, because it represents our speciallity. Our language is Frisio-Saxon[1] as special form. Is that so hard to understand? @StevenJ81: said that it is legit to start a test. Since than only 14 days passed. I think you are motivated politically or something like that. Why delete this test? It just started. Why prevent us from creating a east frisian Wikipedia? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neronno (discussioncontribs) 09:34, 5 February 2019 (UTC)‎.

I was unaware of Incubator:Requests for starting a test#Eastern Frisian Wikipedia where Neronno was advised to take this path of action.
Nonetheless I think it is the wrong path of action.
Why prevent us from creating a east frisian Wikipedia? Because it already exists: at nds.wp!
Neronno is right that we have orthography requirements at nds.wp. These exclude Holger Weigelt and ten Doornkaat-Koolman (to emulate the reading experience of the Holger Weigelt orthography for English speakers, try to read the Norfuk Wikipedia; you recognize the words but it is really hard to parse). But when I talked to Neronno on his talk page he answered in East Frisian in an orthography that is perfectly eligible on nds.wp. --::Slomox:: >< 09:13, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
No it doesn't exists their. Do you speak this language? The East Frisian (Frisio-Saxon) language? No? So you cant decide that it exists in the nds-Wikipedia.

This orthography I used their doesn't represents the language. Let us do the test and let the language committee decide as @Slomox: said. What is this you are trying to do? If you delete our work we will start to build it up again. We are in contact with the represent for minorities in germany. He supports us. Neronno (talk) 09:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

It is legitimate to start a test. That having been said: There is no guarantee that LangCom will decide that this test is eligible. In fact, I think it is very likely that LangCom will ultimately ask you to merge this test into nds.wp. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:09, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
So this project is suitable for Category:Incubator:Test wikis/open-but-rejected? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
@Slomox, Neronno, StevenJ81, Steinbach, Eitanish: Although I'm having not enough knowledges on Germany languages, I would say that what's the actual status of the de facto Frisian languages? If peoples who speak East Frisian as their mother language think that parallel-contributing on Low German Wikipedia isn't fair indeed, then why there are still no reason that a separated project for East Frisian can be founded? Do we remember the Atikamekw Wikipedia? Their contents were available at Cree Wikipedia for nearly a decade, but what happened now? They splitted their contents from crwiki. I'd love to state that, is there any pages that stated which cases splitting a group of foo language contents from bar project are suitable, and which are not? I don't see any yardsticks for this, and I even searched for it, the results are generally: 0 results. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: I have nearly no knowledge about the situation of Algonquian languages, but the Wikipedia articles tell me that the situation is special. Not only orthographical differences but a whole different script for example.
So I assume that people with knowledge about Algonquian have made an intelligent decision.
You said: If peoples who speak East Frisian as their mother language think that parallel-contributing on Low German Wikipedia isn't fair indeed. That's too general. East Frisians are contributing to nds.wp since the earliest days of that wiki (since 2003). They never complained. It's only now that Neronno sees a problem. He claims to have a whole group behind him, but neither Neronno nor any of those other people have ever spoken to us at nds.wp. --::Slomox:: >< 07:36, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
The Atikamekw project had a number of differences from this case, as Liuxinyu970226 has said above. (And Liuxinyu, thank you for dropping Wp/frs into that category.)
Look, any language with an ISO 639-3 code (excepting constructed languages and macrolanguages) starts off with a presumption of being allowed a project. Where a project like this gets hung up is on eligibility criterion #3, which basically asks: "Is it too close to something else to warrant a separate project?" And there are two distinct reasons for this rule:
  • There is a concern that a narrowly defined project will be more subject to political and cultural bias than a widely defined project. Consider if British English, US English, Australian English, etc., had ISO 639-3 codes: we'd have different encyclopedias with different points of view. Far better from an encyclopedia point of view to have one project required to cover all points of view, as long as everyone can understand the contents. This is a real problem with the languages of the former Yugoslavia, most of whose projects predate the current rule.
  • There is a concern that having multiple projects will dilute the pool of prospective contributors to each project, and then force that diluted pool to provide substantially identical content for an awful lot of subjects.
All that said, LangCom is far more familiar with European languages than with languages from most other places. So for indigenous languages of places outside Europe, there is somewhat of a bias not to apply criterion #3 strictly, while there is a bias to apply it strictly to European languages. (Criterion #3 has been applied to non-European requests, though, I'll note.) If and when @Neronno has built something up large enough to be considered for eligibility, I think s/he will have a very difficult time proving that this project can stand on its own linguistically, especially given that many of the arguments given so far have a strong cultural/​ethnic component to them. But s/he can try. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:22, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81 Thanks. For now we will kind of pause the project for some time / do lesser activity. There is an own orthography by Holger Weigelt, we want to use now. We do some rework on a dictonary, to use translatesoftware, helping us to translate Wikipedia articles. We know that their is a risk. Neronno (talk) 06:39, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. Johan Winkler: ALGEMEEN NEDERDUITSCH EN FRIESCH DIALECTICON

For laying out the references[edit]

Hello. I would lay on several columns the references of an article (more than 100 ref.), but I don't know which is the good function and its correct syntax to do it. I actually use {{#tag:references|}}, it works for ONE column, but no more. Can somebody would know how do, by a simple function and not creating a cascade of templates (like {{reflist}} in en:wp) ? Thanks. --Nevatovol (talk) 22:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Finally, I have found by myself. Thanks. --Nevatovol (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)