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RfC on incubating minor language Wikipedias in Taiwan.[edit]

Hello @Wolverène:,

Thank you for your contribution to put the Atayal Wikipedia(Wp/tay) into Incubator:Featured wikis. I just realized this after awhile of your edits, so this is not an instant feedback but I am still very grateful.

I and @Reke: are working in Wikimedia Taiwan. Our chapter is collaborating with National ChenChi University in Taiwan for the incubation project of Taiwanese indigenous people’s languages. There are about 16 official indigenous ethnicities in Taiwan. Among those, there are 5 indigenous language Wikipedias in the incubator that has volunteers, including Atayal Wikipedia. The editing history are below:

Our goal is to make all these 5 indigenous language Wikipedia to become self independent. I am wondering, according to your experience, can you show me what does the above 4 incubating Wikipedia needs to fit in the standard of Incubator:Featured_wikis? Do they need more edits, or more users that edits, or anything specific? It would help a lot for us to incubate those minor languages volunteers with those comments.

Thank you in advance.

--Shangkuanlc (talk) 08:03, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

(moved from Incubator_talk:Featured wikis. --MF-W {a, b} 23:28, 5 January 2017 (UTC))
Err, too hard to say something much better, but shouldn't we increase the number of entries under "These are active and might get their own site soon:" column to 10? Currently the 8 is also unfair to me. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
What would this achieve and why is 8 unfair? --MF-W {a, b} 15:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
By consensus on incubator, yeah. And regarding 8:
  • 8 means 2+6, then:
    1. According to w:1833: August 26 – The Canton of Basel is partitioned by the Swiss Tagsatzung, to create the two half-cantons of Basel-City and Basel-Country.
    2. According to w:2001: January 26 – The 7.7 Mw Gujarat earthquake shakes Western India with a maximum Mercalli intensity of X (Extreme), leaving 13,805–20,023 dead and about 166,800 injured. w:January 26 said ditto.
    3. According to w:2004: December 26 – The 9.1–9.3 Mw Indian Ocean earthquake shakes northern Sumatra with a maximum Mercalli intensity of IX (Violent). One of the largest observed tsunamis follows, affecting coastal areas of Thailand, India, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Malaysia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, and Indonesia. The death toll across a number of these nations is over 200,000.
    4. According to w:June 26: 1941 – World War II: Soviet planes bomb Kassa, Hungary (now Košice, Slovakia), giving Hungary the impetus to declare war the next day.
    5. According to w:December 26: 2004 – Orange Revolution: The final run-off election in Ukraine is held under heavy international scrutiny.
  • Also according to w:2008:
    1. March 14 – Demonstrations by Tibetan separatists turn violent as rioters target government and Han Chinese-owned buildings. Where 3+1+4=8.
    2. May 12 – An earthquake measuring 7.9 Moment magnitude scale strikes Sichuan, China, killing an estimated 87,000 people. Where 5+1+2=8.
  • As I'm also a Chinese, I may read 8 as meaning: "疤 of 伤疤" (lit: scar); "霸 of 霸权" (hegemony); "罢 of 罢黜" (recall or dismiss?)...
  • Isn't Infinity symbol "∞", the collapsed 8, looks like handcuffs?
  • 8 can also have mean of double 4, where 4 is a word play of "死" (die), so isn't it meaning that I died twice?
  • In April 10, 2010 (where 2+0+1+0+4+1+0=8 too!): 2010 – Polish Air Force Tu-154M crashes near Smolensk, Russia, killing 96 people, including Polish President Lech Kaczyński, his wife, and dozens of other senior officials and dignitaries.
So isn't 8 another unlucky number like 13 or 4? Shouldn't we consider raising this column up now?
--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Please stay serious. --MF-W {a, b} 11:42, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello User:Shangkuanlc. Being listed on Incubator:Featured_wikis is not a very important thing; the rules for it are fluid. Basically any test-wiki that has recent activity will be listed there from time to time. The approval of them getting an own, "independent" wiki is a different thing. For it, it is required that there are several editors (minimum 3) over the course of at least several months. And also the translation of the most-used interface messages ([tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup]). --MF-W {a, b} 15:53, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Administrator rights[edit]

Hi! I would like to ask for administrator rights on the Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia. --Katxis (talk) 12:01, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

You can request it on I:A. --MF-W {a, b} 14:31, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 15:12, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Text Editor for Khowar Wikipedia[edit]

A Text Editor(Keyboard) is required for writing Khowar articles in Khowar Wikipedia incubator project. I have created a keyboard for this language and want to share the Source Files with Wikimedia free of cost. Can anybody upload this keyboard for the use of Khowar writers in wikipeida? please share your email so that i'll email you the source files. my email is rachitrali@yahoo.com --Raki 09:53, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by a keyboard? - Apart from that, Wikimedia uses free software only for its websites and you can find everything on gerrit:. There you can also contribute your own patches etc. --MF-W {a, b} 14:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
@MF-Warburg: sir, the keyboard is required for directly typing in Khowar Wikipedia incubator project. I'll share the sources file to anyone who can help us this regard. Thank you very much for your time--Raki 07:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Please start a request on phabricator:. I really don't know what exactly you mean nor where that code should go. --MF-W {a, b} 14:47, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Translatewiki.net problem in Bodo language (Bodo Wikipedia incubator)[edit]

Sir, the problem in translatewiki. net is that I want translate massages for Bodo Wikipedia project but Bodo language is disabled so, I can not translate any massages. can anyone help me .. --Nijwmsa Boro 10:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mr. Nijwmsa Boro: We work with translatewiki but it's not actually a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's work. You'd have to talk to them. —Justin (koavf)TCM 10:37, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

can you give me any contact numbers, addresses ? --Nijwmsa Boro 10:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Mr. Nijwmsa Boro: Please look at the following page on translatewiki.net: translatewiki:Translatewiki.net languages#Enabling a new language for localisation at translatewiki.net. You will have to go to translatewiki:Support to make a request. Some of the information is already present at translatewiki.net, because the page translatewiki:Portal:Brx already exists. Good luck. (By the way, I suggest you use a color other than yellow as a signature; it's very hard to read.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, I'll change the colour. I have requested for enabling language for translation at support page. --Nijwmsa Boro 16:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Lua error[edit]

Can any gentleman correct this lua error [1] Thanks --Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 07:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Help[edit]

Hi. Which of the administrators or members of the Language Committee can send contact information by experts Ingush language? It is necessary for the project Wp/inh. Adam-Yourist (talk) 09:15, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@Adam-Yourist: There is probably no one who knows Ingush. How do you need help? —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Justin, I know experts in the Ingush language. And I can share their contacts with the language committee. How can I do it? Adam-Yourist (talk) 11:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@Adam-Yourist: Contact User:Amire80 at his Meta talk page. I think he is the one trying to finalize this on behalf of the Language Committee. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:43, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thank you. I'll try. Adam-Yourist (talk) 15:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Stuck in the incubator[edit]

Please can someone explain why the Kabiye (kbp) Wikipedia is still in the incubator? This Wikipedia was initiated in June 2014, and since then has been steadily growing with daily contributions from a small group of dedicated volunteers. It now has over 850 articles, many of which have graphics, infoboxes categories and links. The 500 most used interface messages have been translated. The Kabiye Wikipedia has many more articles, and more depth than other minority African languages that have made it onto the real platform. Ghiutun made a Request for a new language in May 2016 which I seconded, but there's been no reply. Kabiye does not even appear on the scroll-down list on this page. What more do we need to do? We're feeling invisible and fed up. Gnangbade (talk) 20:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

As I said over on Meta ... working on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
@Gnangblade: See my updated comment on Meta: not only does the most used message group have to be completed, but the larger group that is a part of—"MediaWiki core messages"—must be completed up to 13%. (You're currently at 10%.) At that point, kbp will appear in the search and the interface will be available in kbp. BTW, we've marked the fallback language—the language that messages appear in when a Kabiye translation doesn't exist—to French. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

De-Recognition of Wikimedia Hong Kong[edit]

This is an update from the Wikimedia Affiliations Committee. Translations are available.

Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia mission.

The principal Wikimedia movement affiliate in the Hong Kong region is Wikimedia Hong Kong, a Wikimedia chapter recognized in 2008. As a result of Wikimedia Hong Kong’s long-standing non-compliance with reporting requirements, the Wikimedia Foundation and the Affiliations Committee have determined that Wikimedia Hong Kong’s status as a Wikimedia chapter will not be renewed after February 1, 2017.

If you have questions about what this means for the community members in your region or language areas, we have put together a basic FAQ. We also invite you to visit the main Wikimedia movement affiliates page for more information on currently active movement affiliates and more information on the Wikimedia movement affiliates system.

Posted by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, 16:25, 13 February 2017 (UTC) • Please help translate to your languageGet help

Infobox Anatomy Error[edit]

Please fix the Infobox Anatomy Error [2]--Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 05:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Right now, Incubator does not have access to Wikidata. So any Wikidata-related calls, such as {{#property:...}} are not going to work. We're working on that, but cannot promise a timeline. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Wp/shn/Common.css[edit]

Please move Wp/shn/Common.css to MediaWiki:Wp/shn/Common.css to apply css style for Infobox, Navbox, etc in Wp/shn test project. NinjaStrikers «» 05:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 20:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

English Wiktionary coverage of ASL [American Sign Language] terms[edit]

Following copied from my talk page at 14:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC).

You mentioned me on Steve Levinski's talk page Wiktionary work on ASL. I do not know if you are in a position to help me on this topic, but I would appreciate any information or contacts you can share.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Index:American_Sign_Language/A

I had tried to contribute to the development of the Index of ASL terms a few years ago, but I do not know how to automate the compiling of the index. Is it possible to put a tag in a wiki page and have a script run through all such wiki pages to build an index? Otherwise new entries would have to be manually added to any indicies. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Positivesigner (discussioncontribs) 10:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC).

Boy, am I the wrong guy to ask! And I'm not entirely sure where to ask someone for help on that.
  • I'm going to copy this over to I:CP and see if anyone lurking there can help.
  • Otherwise, there are help pages on both Meta-Wiki and MediaWiki.org, and those would be better places to look. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:28, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

End copied section. StevenJ81 (talk)

"Testproject" namespace (?)[edit]

The "project" namespace on Incubator, also known as "Incubator" namespace, is reserved for pages that support Incubator as a whole. For right now, any test wanting to create a "Project:" page ("Wikipedia:", "Wiktionary:", etc.) simply creates it in mainspace, and somehow the importers figure out what to do when the project is exported to a subdomain. Still, I wonder if it wouldn't make everyone's life easier if we had something like a "Testproject:" namespace, where (like in main, Template and Category) prefixes are required, where tests could park pages destined for their "Project:" namespaces. Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this would be useful. First of all, the current system works fine with regard to the export. The pages are always using the project NS name of the new subdomain very consistently. Second, in the current way the NS name can be translated, which seems much more userfriendly than a generic name. Third, it would be very annoying to implement this switch, as every test-wiki should change the names of its pages at one time to avoid that duplicates (Wx/xx/Wikibla: and Testproject:Wx/xx/...) are created. That danger would also persist after the change, and I don't think it's a good idea to open such an "opportunity for errors". --MF-W {a, b} 18:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Just a quick note for now: Same applies to the "Help" namespace.
Danny B. 07:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Wasn't sure. Have found pages once or twice in Incubator space that should really have been in someone's test space. I simply moved them. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Error[edit]

@StevenJ81:sir please check this [3] and fix the error if possible- Thanks --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 06:49, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
You are missing Module:Wp/khw/Documentation/config, you need to create that one.
Danny B. 07:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Express error[edit]

I request you all to fix the expression error here [4]--Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 08:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm having trouble tracking it down. But it's definitely coming from {{Wp/khw/Infobox French commune}}, or one of its subtemplates, because (a) commenting it out of the page eliminates the error, and (b) both pages that call this template have the same problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:Thank you very much sir--Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 09:10, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks (Wp/khw)[edit]

@StevenJ81:sir Thank you very much for your support, Dear members LangCom Please accept my heartiest thanks for approving Khowar Wikipedia,Please guide us whether we continue to contribute to the test wiki project or stop editing as the developers have started exporting the articles to its own domain i.e. khw.wikipedia.org ? Regards --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 12:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: My pleasure! Congratulations! For the time being, continue to contribute to the test wiki project. We'll let you know when it's time to freeze the test for export to its own domain.
At least one member of the LangCom expressed the following concern in the course of the approval:

I haven't checked very thoroughly, but it looks that the current content in the incubator is quite messy - there are a lot of ultra-short articles about numbers, some pages in English, and some other problems. Do the authors plan to clean that up? I'd be happier if they started this cleanup right now, before approval, domain creation, and import.

So I'd encourage you and the others working on the project to focus on those issues for the time being, while you are still in Incubator. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:12, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:sir Thank you very much for your guidence, as a test admin I have checked very thoroughly and all articles are in Khowar language please point out that article which is in english so that i'll translate into english. Being a linguist, researcher and author of Khowar language I certify that Khowar wikipedia Incubator project is written in khowar language in arabic script. I have started the Khowar version of Wikipedia. I am Rehmat Aziz Chitrali, a khowar poet, author and researcher and wrote many khowar books. I assure you sir after pointing out the same english article be translated into khowar language. Being a test admn i have stated to clean up the articles--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 17:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: I was repeating a comment, and the LangCom member admitted that "[he hadn't] checked very thoroughly". So maybe his issues were not entirely accurate. I will tell you things that I found on a quick inspection of the pages in Wp/khw—mostly pages with Latin-alphabet names:
  • There are many pages whose subjects are numbers that are very short.
  • Wp/khw/Awelo Safha looks like an alternate main page in Latin script. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But (1) the sections on that page need to link to relevant articles, and (2) at least one section is written in English.
    Note that for pages that are Latin-alphabet pages in your project, you can tag a page with <div class="mw-content-ltr"> and </div> in order to make them appear correctly. See an example that I edited at Wp/khw/Romanized Khowar Alphabets. (I will delete it a different time. I wanted you to see how I tagged it.)
  • There are a number of test pages of various types listed. Delete the ones you don't want. (It takes a lot of work to export a test to a new domain. Don't make it harder than it needs to be.)
  • Templates and modules need to go in their proper namespaces. Please check any such pages in mainspace (such as Wp/khw/Template:MONTHNAME) and move it to (or make sure there is already a copy at) Template:Wp/khw/MONTHNAME. Then delete the one in mainspace. (That one is fine, but check all the others.)
    Same is true for MediaWiki namespace. I might need to do that for you; please let me know.
  • There may be other pages in mainspace that belong somewhere else. (Example: Wp/khw/Image array seems like a template, not an article.)
  • On the other hand, any pages that you want to end up in Wikipedia: or Help: namespaces (or whatever they will be called in Khowar Wikipedia) need to be in mainspace, named as [[Wp/khw/Wikipedia:...]] [[Wp/khw/Help:...]], substituting the local names for "Wikipedia" and "Help". I thought pages like Wp/khw/How to read Khowar Script and Wp/khw/Romanized Khowar Alphabets might be pages you would retain as Help pages, for example. It's best to rename these now, while you are still in Incubator.
  • Is the Khowar keyboard a gadget?
  • Finally, and this is very hard for me to say, given how hard you've worked on this project, but you need to be very careful about conflict-of-interest and neutral point of view, especially as it relates to you, personally. These are important policies that apply to all Wikipedias. There is no doubt that you are an important and notable individual, worthy of an encyclopedia page and so forth. But everything must be neutral. So, for example:
    Wp/khw/Contributors: Administrator and translator are official positions in the wiki. But "pioneer" and "chief editor" are not. Wikimedia takes the position that no one is a "chief editor"—no one "owns" a project.
    Wp/khw/Awelo Safha: "A beautiful example of Rachitrali's Troyki": Unless you have a reliable source saying that it's beautiful, you're not allowed to say so here, even if it actually is beautiful. And you need to make sure that everything in the wiki about you or your work is reviewed by someone else neutral. It doesn't have to be someone who doesn't like you, but it has to be someone who is willing to give you an honest opinion about yourself.
I think that's it for now. You have put together a fantastic project and done wonderful work. I truly believe that; don't let these minor criticisms make you think otherwise. But there are a number of things that it would be worthwhile for you and your team to fix before the project is exported to its own subdomain. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:49, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:Thank you very much for pointing out romanized and english articles. When I started Khowar Wikipedia incubator project at that time no khowar keyboard or text editor was not available, therefore some of the above articles were written in romanized khowar but now i have developed a khowar keybord for writing khowar articles in wikipedia [5] I am converting these articles into khowar. Thank you very much sir--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 18:00, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:sir Yes check.svg Done All issues solved sir, please text me your email so that i'll email you the source files of khowar keyboard, Regards --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 18:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Maybe I wasn't entirely clear about a couple of things:
  • You did resolve all the specific pages I pointed out above. But those were just examples. There are several other pages with titles like [[Wp/khw/Template:xxxxxx]] or [[Wp/khw/Module:xxxxx]]. They all have to be fixed.
  • There are at least five pages within Wp/khw that have the word "Draft" in the page title. See if you need or want any of them or not. There are also some pages that have the word "Test" in the page title. Please decide about those, too.
  • I do not need the source files for the Khowar keyboard. But the Wikimedia projects are not web storage hosts. So regarding any pages related to the keyboard, such as Wp/khw/Rehmat Aziz Chitrali's Virtual Khowar Keyboard and Wp/khw/Source files of Khowar Keyboard:
    • If they are encyclopedia pages about the keyboard they can stay.
    • If the source code is going to be available on Khowar Wikipedia as a gadget or script for people to use, it can stay, and so can any instruction pages.
    • Anything else needs to be deleted.
Is that clear? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:02, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
Clear sir,Thanks--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 02:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Scheherazade fonts Wp/khw[edit]

I want to check the Scheherazade fonts and Microsoft Urghur fonts for Khowar Wikipedia, I checked these fonts but these are disable, can anyboad enable these fonts? I have put the Scheherazade font in the main page of Khowar wikipedia but the text in preview shows the Time New Roman fonts, I think the Scheherazade font is not supporting incubator projects.--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 05:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

You'll have to look at mw:Universal Language Selector, and specifically mw:Universal Language Selector/WebFonts, to see whether the fonts you want to use qualify. If they do, then User:MF-Warburg can probably work it in when the Phabricator task to create Khowar Wikipedia is opened. If not, you'll have to find an appropriate font to use. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Help needed[edit]

Please delete this [ on the buttom of reference [6]--Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 08:38, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done You had a triple bracket on one of your categories, so the extra one showed up. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:29, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thanks--Zaheeruddin25 (talk) 05:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Add IME for Khowar (khw)[edit]

I have added [khw-phonetic.js] at [7], I request the Admin to enable this Khowar Keyboard in Khowar Wikipedia incubator project for direct editing articles in this wiki project like english and urdu language--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 14:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Rehmat. This will take a couple of back-and-forths to make work, I think. So here's the first point:
  • The script shows GPLv3 as the license information. And you posted other code here (at Wp/khw/Source files of Khowar Keyboard). So I assume you understand the licensing terms for posting things here. Please just make a note to that effect here. Then I'll start bringing over the code. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:47, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Yes sir, I have developed a Khowar Keyboard and I want to share source files free of cost with Wikimedia for directly typing Khowar articles, Wikimedia can use the above source codes for developing Khowar Keyboard for Khowar Wikipedia, I am giving permission to Wikimedia, Please start, Thanks--Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 05:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: OK. I may not get to this until Monday, but I will get to this soon. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Code is now available at MediaWiki:Wp/khw/Gadget-khw-phonetic.js. Add it to your own local .js and see if it works. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)


Bengali Wikiquote[edit]

I want to modify Bengali Wikiquote page (https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wq/bn/%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BF:%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%9C%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%95%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%A4%E0%A6%BF/%E0%A6%8F%E0%A6%AA%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%B2) like that of the English page (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page). However there is some problem. I guess the problem is that there is no Bengali version of the template :QoDBar. Can anyone kindly help me?

Thanks in advance.

P.Shiladitya (talk)

You will need to modify the page's code to use a prefixed version of the template (something like Template:Wq/bn/QoDBar). If you need more information on this matter, feel free to have a look at I:PREFIX. Hope this helps. --Hydriz (talk) 12:41, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Incubator:Wikis / Special:SearchWiki[edit]

For some weird reason, the inclusion of Special:SearchWiki on Incubator:Wikis causes all options from the drop-down menu (language) to be shown below the box, before showing the "Go"/"Search" button. If I remember correctly, Special:SearchWiki was already removed from the Main Page because of this. We should try to fix the error, and if we can't do so in a timely manner (2 weeks?), remove the inclusion, replacing it by a link maybe. Ping to User:Hydriz and User:SPQRobin as they are knowledgable developers of the Incubator extension. --MF-W {a, b} 22:10, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Special:SearchWiki itself does not even work as intended when I was trying it out (nothing happens when you type a language and press "Go"). I think it's safe for us to remove it from Incubator:Wikis until things are fixed, hopefully soon. --Hydriz (talk) 15:06, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Nice to see you around, Hydriz. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Yep, apologies for my prolonged absence. Its time we start fixing problems with the Incubator extension, so please file bugs in Phabricator whenever you see them. Thanks! --Hydriz (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I filed phabricator:T162518 now. I thought this particular issue was already reported, but found nothing. --MF-W {a, b} 09:38, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Main Page[edit]

Evertype pointed out to me that our Main Page has the rather important list of wikis not very high up the page, so I made this edit to switch it to being above the "how to" section, instead of below it. Please revert me if you disagree, but I wanted to be bold. I was also thinking of how we could improve the page even more. Maybe we should move the "other languages" section somewhere else (e.g. to the bottom, as done on Meta?) It would be unusual to do so on a Special:Translate-translated page, but not impossible. We could also implement the code which hides the page name of the main page, like on en.wiki and Meta. --MF-W {a, b} 22:44, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: I think this is an improvement. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Good idea. No reason we can't suppress the page name, either.
I'm going to try to shrink the size of the languages section without moving it; everyone tell me what you think. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
It's an improvement, but the list of languages is still too long, IMHO. It's a good problem to have though :P
I now moved it to the bottom and added [8] to the common.css to hide the title. --MF-W {a, b} 12:39, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
I added a small link so people who want a different language can find it easily. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I actually disagree with hiding of any page title. There is no reasonable basis for that and it is against accessibility and usability principles. (Besides it has been hidden only on English page anyway...) So I am going to rollback the relevant change.
I also do not agree that the list of wikis (in fact it is 1. highly incomplete information, 2. unknown selection criteria on which wiki is why mentioned, 3. it is rather Incubator internal issue than something promotable) is more important than information on how to contribute (isn't exactly necessity of creating of the new wiki why people typically get here?) and thus needs larger and more prominent box, however, since the main page needs more attention than just swapping of these boxes anyway, I'll leave it for now and will come with more complex proposal later on.
The code after changes is however invalid and semantically incorrect and needs to be fixed (I'll work on it later on this weekend) as well as "click here" (one of the most often mistakes in creating webs, against accessibility, usability and SEO) needs to be rephrased. I suggest something like "See the translations of this page" or "Change the language" (the point is, that the link text must express what it does, where it links to, rather than nothing-saying meaningless "click here". Feel free to rephrase, but omit the "click here", please.
Note on proper page creation: Content first, then design. Design must be adapted to the desired content and not vice versa. Otherwise it leads to filling of the page with useless crap and leaves bunch of omittable whitespace blocks.
Danny B. 12:27, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Of course there is a reasonable basis for that: it hides unnecessary stuff. Which "accessiblity and usability principles" do you mean? It's true that it is at the moment not hidden on the subpages. That's a problem that can be solved in some way probably.
The list of wikis is not an internal issue. When people come to Incubator in search of a certain project because they were told it exists here, it will be helpful to them to see the list at a prominent place.
Your criticism about "click here" seems like a non-existing problem. "Click here" is a very easily understood concept. --MF-W {a, b} 15:57, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply.
What actually makes the title unnecessary? Why is it unnecessary on main page and not on other pages? Also please note, that not everybody uses visual graphical user agents...
As I pointed out earlier, the list is highly incomplete. When people come to Incubator in search of a certain project because they were told it exists here, it will be helpful to them to see the list at a prominent place. - There is currently only 13 out of 640 test wikis listed there, so they do not see the list, but its tiny tiny excerpt. The criteria for inclusion of test wiki on that tiny excerpt are unclear. Dividing into sections like "might get their own site soon" and "will likely stay here" is rather Incubator internal division until the list will be generated automatically on the basis of exact criteria.
My notes about "click here" are not criticism, but reminding of the best practices as well as principles of accessibility, usability and SEO. Please check the dedicated W3C Quality Assurance page, Jukka “Yucca” Korpela overview or many other documents on this for further details.
Danny B. 20:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I placed the "click here". I'm not a web designer, and it's perfectly fine with me if you want to change the language. I just wanted some functionality so that people could easily get to the language change area. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:32, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
I think the title is unnecessary on most pages, but especially on the main page, as nobody will memorize the title of the main page to get there, but just click a link in the top-left corner of the page (when on Incubator) or by accessing incubator.wikimedia.org / :incubator: when coming from somewhere else. What is a visual graphical user agent? - Yes, the list is only a selection, but that selection should have the most active test-wikis, and these are therefore the ones that users who come to the main page looking for a wiki because they were told it is on Incubator will most likely look for. Also the link to the complete list is there immediately as well. --MF-W {a, b} 22:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: FWIW, the page title (both here and on Meta) is only suppressed in English. If you choose another language, the page title remains. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Two Wiktionaries and one Wikinews which are seem to be locally handled(?)[edit]

I'm not willing to nominate those for deletion for now, but

--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Good catch, Liuxinyu970226!
Re the second and third point: I guess we can't limit the local Wikipedias to omit creation of such "subprojects" there if they want to do so. However, we can advocate that it is not the best approach, since per current rules, wikis can't be created if not having enough activity and content in Incubator, thus from this particular point of view it is useless work. There are also some further shortcomings of such approach, such as no chance for linking via [[<project>:<language>:<page>]] links, since such links for inexisting wikis point to relevant incubated wiki here in Incubator. We can also recommend to involved communities importing of those local subprojects here to relevant incubated wikis as well as probably they'll need some explanation of why it is better approach.
Re the first point: als is actually code for Tosk Albanian so this should be handled more complexly.
Danny B. 12:42, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, some communities decided to have their "sister project content" in their Wikipedia, instead of starting a test-project. In cases like alswiki, IIRC the sister projects which were inactive were even explicitly closed with the idea of moving the pages to a Wikipedia namespace, instead of Incubator. So these communities don't really seek a new subdomain anyway, which is why it makes more sense for them to use Wikipedia and not Incubator. We cannot hinder them; but maybe it would make sense to refer to such "subprojects" from the Incubator info pages. --MF-W {a, b} 16:00, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Look, concerning als vs. gsw, that's phab:T25215. Until that gets resolved, it is what it is, and we can't really do anything about it.
As far as the rest go:
  • Functionally, als and gsw are currently the same thing in the Wikimedia world, which makes Wt/gsw a duplicate of als:Wort:Houptsyte. Does LangCom want to allow a duplicate project here? If not, let's get rid of Wt/gsw. It has only one page right now, a very small main page. I can easily enough duplicate the current contents of Wt/als at Wt/gsw (without the references to Tosk Albanian, of course).
Of course, I can also do the same with other subdomains.
  • As far as the [[<project>:<language>:<page>]] links, I don't see why those wouldn't still work (other than the ones in the left navbar, and maybe even those). Can't we simply point [[:wikt:als:<wort>]] to [[:als:Wort:<wort>]]?
  • Wn/nds hasn't had an edit since 2013. There are about five pages here. If the project is active at nds:Portal:Wikinews, wny don't we simply direct people there?
  • Similarly, Wt/lzh hasn't had an edit since 2013, other than a couple of clerking edits by Liuxinyu and me. So, again, if the namespace version on lzh: is working, why not point people there? (In this case, it also navigates around WMF's preference to minimize new subdomains for non-modern versions of languages. By policy, a Wiktionary in lzh ought to be placed either inside zh:wikt: or inside lzh:. Personally, I don't care which.) StevenJ81 (talk) 19:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
The task number is obviously wrong, can you please fix it? Thanks.
Re the pointing - that's what I was exactly talking about with my "[[<project>:<language>:<page>]]" note: Everybody expects [[wikt:als:Entry]] to point to als.wiktionary.org/wiki/Entry or in case of inexistence of the domain to the Incubator's Wt/als/Entry. Same applies to any other combination of project and language, I just continued in combination you started. That's how the system works and that's how you can use the interwikilinks. However, if you now want to link the entry, you have to use [[w:als:Wort:Entry]], because the expectable [[wikt:als:Entry]] leads to the black hole. Same applies to other languages with local subprojects. The main point is, that it is not so easy (and definitely not preferred to create exceptions) to change the navigation system to point the standard prefix combination in interwikilink to other than one of those two locations I mentioned (standard wiki or Incubator fallback).
Of course, if there are local subprojects on existing wikis, which are more or less actively maintained, that then there won't likely be (m)any edits here on Incubator.
For the record, could you please link to the WMF's preference and policy you mentioned? Thank you.
Danny B. 11:26, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I second the idea of referring the local subprojects from Incubator's project root pages (not main pages), ie. Wx/xx, not Wx/xx/Main Page. On the other hand I also prefer to do it the way it is purely informative (and emphasizing it is an exception) and not encouraging to do the same on other projects too. How would you prefer to have such note incorporated in existing templates? Also should such test wikis be marked "open" or "approved" then?
Danny B. 11:39, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Task number fixed (reversed two digits). Sorry.
  • The policy I was mentioning was based on m:Language proposal policy#Requisites for eligibility, item #4, and the discussion of "Ancient or historical languages" farther down that page. Taken strictly, it means that LangCom would want any further lzh projects to be contained within larger zh projects—similarly grc projects within larger el projects, and so forth. (Taken just a touch less strictly, an lzh Wiktionary could be contained within lzh Wikipedia.)
    In practice, I'm getting the sense there may be a little more tolerance for Wikipedias, at least, in ancient and historical languages that have an established literary grounding—meaning that nobody is creating or imagining new writing systems for them. That's why I said "preference" and "minimizing" rather than "rule" and "eliminating".
  • As far as marking the wikis goes, I've been taking the position on root pages that |status=open always means there's a test open and running here on Incubator, while |status=approved always means that the project originated as a test here, then was approved and exported (or at least has its export pending). Other such root pages don't even call {{Test wiki}}, so you don't have to modify the coding at all. Instead, they get {{code-disambig}} or one of its daughter templates (like {{Different code/test}} and {{Different code/subdomain}}). These place the root pages within Category:Incubator:Test wikis/code/... subcategories, but leave them out of Category:Incubator:Test wikis/status/... subcategories. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:52, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Action items[edit]

  1. @MF-Warburg, you could act on the proposal at m:Proposals for closing projects/Deletion of Alemannisch Wiktionary, Wikibooks and Wikiquote with very little fuss, I think. How high a priority it ought to be at Phabricator is a different question, but there's no reason you can't formally approve the proposal and get it rolling.
  2. Question for you, MF-W: Do you know if the Alemannic projects include schweizerdeutsch content? If so, I would SD the single page at Wt/gsw and direct people to contribute at als:Wort:Houptsyte. If not, I'd probably at least have to nominate at RfD. Note that the page was created last year by an IP that is associated with a grand total of three edits across all projects.
    Yes check.svg Done The Alemannic projects do include schweizerdeutsch content. So I did delete the little bit of content at Wt/gsw and put a pointer at the root page. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
  3. To someone reasonably close to nds (maybe MF-W, maybe @SPQRobin, De Wikischim, LIVE NIEUWS): Please have a look and tell me if there is anything useful at Wn/nds. Given that it's a Wikinews project and hasn't been edited in four years, I think that if the content is obsolete (which is distinctly possible), we could just SD it on those grounds and then direct people to the Portal page at nds:.
    Yes check.svg Done See below. Content at Wn/nds was deleted, and a pointer put at the root page. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
  4. @Liuxinyu970226, Hydriz: Maybe one of you can respond: is lzh:維基大典:維基爾雅 active now? If so, perhaps you (or someone there) can figure out if there is any content at Wt/lzh that can be productively moved there. Once that happens, we can redirect people there on the root pages, while for attribution reasons turning all the content pages at Wt/lzh into soft redirects. If there is no useful content there, I'd probably open up an RfD for that one. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
    Sorry, I am not involved in any way at all with Wikinews-nds, only with Wikinews-nl. De Wikischim (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
    @De Wikischim: No, I understand that. I just wondered if you were familiar enough with the language to tell us if there was anything useful there. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
    @StevenJ81: Neither lzh:維基大典:維基爾雅 nor Wt/lzh is active... Now lzh:維基大典:維基爾雅 is designed for difficult characters. However, I think that the classical Chinese community is too small to maintain a dictionary. --Amanojaku (talk) 05:05, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
    All pages on Wt/lzh already existed on lzh:維基大典:維基爾雅. Tt is probably safe to delete everything in the Wt/lzh test wiki. --Hydriz (talk) 08:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
So I agree StevenJ81, 逆襲的天邪鬼, and Hydriz that both Wt/gsw and Wt/lzh are very inactive, and should be 1) all related pages except themselves deleted and 2) themselves replaced by a custom {{Code-disambig}}. For Wn/nds, I prefer to ask @Bolingbroke, HeikoEvermann, Iwoelbern, Slomox: (4 sysops of nds.wikipedia). --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks to all for input. I will go ahead and SD the pages of Wt/lzh, pointing people toward both lzh:維基大典:維基爾雅 and zh:wikt:. I still look forward to the rest of the input I requested. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Deleted content at Wt/lzh and placed a pointer there. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:, thank you for the notification! I just looked to the NDS Wikinews but have not found anything that is useful for the Wikinews in Dutch. Also, West Low German is not a language that I speak. It's more for people from the Northern of the Netherlands, I'm living in Belgium. Livenws (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Wn/nds can be deleted. The few pages are just copied and pasted from nds:Portal:Wikinews. I don't know why the IP did this in 2010, but the right place for the content is nds:Portal:Wikinews. --::Slomox:: >< 15:31, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Kabiye word 'Lɩŋamɩŋ'[edit]

In the draft category list there is a word 'Lɩŋamɩŋ' translated as Lake(En)/Lac(Fr). However in the Kabiye dictionary the spelling appears to be different ('Lɩŋgamɩŋ'). Please could someone tell me which is correct? Thanks Ken — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atticmaker (discussioncontribs) 15:52, 12 April 2017‎ (UTC).

Pinging @Gnangbade for an answer. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:13, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Atticmaker Lɩŋamɩŋ is the correct spelling. The dictionary sometimes doesn't follow its own spelling rules. Gnangbade (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Updates to Javascript code for test wiki administrators[edit]

I have improved the Javascript code for test wiki administrators in this change. This makes it easier for Incubator administrators to update the list of test wiki administrators and the test wikis that they are allowed to act on, as only one page (which is MediaWiki:Administrated test wikis.json) only needs to be edited. If you encounter any problems because of this change, please do report them here, or directly to me on my talk page. Thanks! --Hydriz (talk) 08:33, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

This is exactly why I created MediaWiki:Administrated test wikis.json, so it is managed on single place but reusable on many, so thanks for the refactorization of your script. Good job!
Danny B. 11:07, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Fantastic! Thank you, Hydriz.
Danny B., this means that if we were to list ourselves on the .json, we'd constantly get those warning messages when editing outside our designated tests. That's a nuisance more than anything else. But perhaps something you could do—since you created Module:Test wikis—would be to allow for optional manual input of a |testadmin = on test wiki root pages for this purpose, always in addition to whatever the .json delivers there. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
That's actually incorrect presumption. If I an mot mistaken, the script is loaded for test-admins only, therefore pure listing of username in the json wouldn't trigger anything. You would have to be the member of test-administrators usergroup at first so this script would be loaded for you. Therefore the objection is unjustified. And even if it was loaded for every admin, it would of course not mean that, because the simple condition to ignore Incubator admins can be added, which is trivial...
Please mind, that complex data can always be filtered to the narrower dataset, but not only you never can use data which don't exist, but it's also virtually impossible to artificially create them.
The MediaWiki:Administrated test wikis.json was created for purpose of having the only and only single place to store test-admins. Having other places such as overrides in templates goes against the basic principle of the solution, creates the data redundancy and mess, and makes the whole thing less transparent and worse manageable.
Danny B. 15:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I take your point overall. But ... I thought the running of that script was based on the names of the people in the script—formerly a hard-coded list, now the import from the .json. If so, then if an administrator is in the .json, then the script will run, unless it is told separately to ignore us. If it depends on our having the test-admin bit, then if (and only if) we "double-flag", again the script will run unless it is told separately to ignore us. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The assumption is one thing, the reality typically differs, like in this case. ;-)
Anyway, whether it depends on listing in json or on the group membership, in both case it is easily solvable by adding simple condition to handle Incubator admins, so I am honestly kind of missing the sense/point of what you just wrote.
In any case, such easily solvable triviality should not be a blocker for further development aiming to simplify things.
Danny B. 15:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't suggesting it should block further development. I am just suggesting that I, personally, will find seeing those messages annoying, even if I'm allowed to ignore them. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I am confused. Which messages?
Danny B. 17:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
The ones from MediaWiki:Group-test-sysop.js that a test administrator sees when doing an administrative action outside his designated test. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, the script is only loaded for members of the test-sysop group, but aren't you currently arguing for the Incubator sysops in question to also have the test-sysop group? --MF-W {a, b} 22:43, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Just to clarify: I'm not arguing for that. I'm only arguing to allow sysops to list themselves (at the .json file) as substantially acting in the role of test-admin for certain projects, so less experienced contributors to those tests have someone knowledgeable about that test to seek out. I do not favor giving the two flags simultaneously. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
[Yes, that is why my answer is indented to appear as a response to Danny B. --MF-W {a, b} 17:17, 19 April 2017 (UTC)]

Just checked it all out, temporarily listing myself on the .json for test Wb/lad with expiration date "never" (also "Never", and both seemed to work fine). At the same time, I also flagged my alternate account (User:SJ81) as a test administrator for Wt/lad, with expiration date 2017-04-30. Everything seemed to work exactly the way it was supposed to in every case. Thank you, Hydriz! (Note: I've also reversed all the flags and listings for now.) StevenJ81 (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Request (Khowar Keyboard)[edit]

@StevenJ81: @MF-Warburg:Please enable this khowar keyboard [9] in incubator project for writing khowar articles in Khowar Wikipedia [Wp/khw] incubator project, the community of this language pointed out that putting [wp/khw] before every khowar article is complicated and time consuming, if we write this i.e. ویکیپیڈیا instead of Wp/khw/ویکیپیڈیا it shows unprefixed error and the new khowar users are unable to contribute khowar wikipedia due to [wp/khw], if this keyboard is enabled then the khowar typing will be easy and many more users directly contribute to this project, how can this Gadget be inserted in local js? I need help. Regards --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 05:19, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: I asked you previously to load it into your own personal .js file(s) so we could make sure it works at all before I start thinking about doing anything else. Did you do that? Do you need help with that? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
Let me add: the idea of needing to put Wp/khw is not negotiable. On Incubator pages need to be prefixed. Now, there is a gadget already available (the "AddPrefix" gadget) that will automatically add prefixes when people place links, templates, etc. Please have everyone in your test community go to the Gadgets page in "Preferences" and activate that gadget. It will make everyone's life easier.
If we ever get to the point of trying to make the Khowar keyboard a true gadget, we'll have to see if these two gadgets are consistent with each other. But we're not even up to that yet. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: sir, added to my personal js here [10] please check this. Not working now, Regards --Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Linguist 17:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Rachitrali: Try it now. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: sir, tried my best, but failed to enable, please check to your own js that this is working or not? Is incubator project support local js? __RAChitrali 17:54, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: I don't know what it's supposed to do even if I try to activate it in my own js. Would I then have to hit a hotkey to activate it? Does it only work on Khowar pages? I'm not a big expert on this. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: sir let me know the technical person or expert in this field who enable this to Incubator project not only for Khowar but this will help Urdu, Punjabi, Farsi and Yidgha languages, Regards --RAChitrali 18:05, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Please first answer my question: If this script works the way it's supposed to, what is supposed to happen? What will I see? Where will I see it? When will I see it? StevenJ81 (talk) 18:30, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:Sir, due to unavailability of Khowar Text Editor in Incubator the khowar contributors are unable to contribute Khowar Wikipedia but they use my Khowar Keyboard [11] by cut pasting articles into Khowar Wikipedia, this is a time consuming situation, now the Khowar Community requested the Incubator Administrators and Syosps to enable Khowar phonetic keyboard in Incubator wiki so that they can contribute and write khowar articles directly in Khowar Wikipedia, i checked this to my local js, but unable to activate, we want to write khowar directly in Incubator. Is this possible? Regards --RAChitrali 18:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Sir: I understand precisely what you just told me. But I am starting to think I have completely misunderstood what was in the javascript file you asked me to copy here—the one now located at MediaWiki:Wp/khw/Gadget-khw-phonetic.js.
I thought that what I copied was simply a virtual keyboard that you had designed so that it would virtually type directly into the Wikipedia (or Incubator) edit box. In fact, what I copied was essentially a duplicate of the branah.com page—a stand alone tool from which you would have to cut-and-paste into Wikipedia or Incubator. Is that right?
If that's so, we've been talking at completely cross purposes. I would need to ask someone who is far more of an expert than I am at Javascript to completely rewrite your script for that purpose. Is that what you are asking for?
Note: even if we get this script working, you cannot make it available to an Urdu, Punjabi, or any other language project until they tell us they're interested. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:33, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Sir, Please check this (File:How can we enable Khowar Lanaguage keyboard for Khowar Wikipedia like Urdu Wikipedia.png) we want to write in khowar like this, and want to search khowar articles in the search box like above link, many languages in Urdu Wikipedia, English Wikipedia are enabled except Khowar language, please add khowar language i.e. khw in the search button so that the khowar editors easily create, edit and search article like in Urdu Wikipedia, the local js file is not working properly, I trying my best to enable the khowar keyboard in the incubator project. Regards --RAChitrali 04:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: I'm glad we finally sorted this out. For this you must go to Phabricator—in particular, phab:tag/MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector—and create a task there. This is not something that can be done locally on Incubator. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:05, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Sir due to some technical and login error i am unable to create the task at Phabricator, Would you please create this for us? If possible.Regards--RAChitrali 15:11, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: I will try to do so next week. I wonder if you were blocked on phabricator for playing with the project status around Khowar Wikipedia; I'll check. However, I can do no more than to open a task. If the developers want to talk to anyone, they need to talk to you. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Rachitrali: For now I'm not going to submit this at phabricator. Whether it's fair or not, there's not a big reservoir of goodwill toward you right now. I suggest that if you really want to make this project happen, you take a very low profile, don't worry about adding keyboards (and alphabet glyphs) that some people find controversial, and just go on building your test project. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your valued suggestions--RAChitrali 17:36, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Request (Wp/inh)[edit]

Please help Wp/inh! For a long time our project remained inactive. However, during more than a year, the project is actively developing. We have done a lot in that time. We have nearly 900 articles. Made categorization, develop templates, and more. Wikipedia Ingush was launched in test mode in 2007. 10 years already! Please pay attention to our section. Ingush Wikipedia has a right to be approved and have its own domain. We Hope for your help. And if we have mistakes, then I ask you to show us, advise what to do next. Thanks. Sincerely, Adam-Yourist (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, @Adam-Yourist. I'll nudge them a little. But I do know that the last time the LangCom discussed your project, one member had a concern that there were too many stubs and not enough true article content. So look through your test, and if you're satisfied that you no longer have that problem, let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:54, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi again, Adam-Yourist. I just went to your test, clicked on "Random page" ten times, and got ten stubs. If members of the Language Committee do that, they won't think you're ready for your own domain. I would strongly encourage you to focus more on making more complete pages and less on making lots of little stubs. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

How do I create pages equivalent to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Spelling for Wp/kha?[edit]

Hi, so although no one is working on this project right now except me, I would still like to make a manual of style for others with regards to spelling because written Khasi sometimes doesn't have a fixed spelling. I would like to follow a standard spelling system for this wiki, so how do I create one? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tipshuh (discussioncontribs) 09:46, 25 April 2017 (UTC).

@Tipshuh: Is there no standard or are there multiple standards? One thing I would recommend is that if a certain style is already established in an article, that style should remain for that article--otherwise, you will have edit-warring over very small content issues. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:24, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Tipshuh, Koavf: That much is true. English Wikipedia had to set specific rules on use of US vs. UK spelling conventions. On Ladino Wikipedia we deal with several different spelling conventions, and the main rule for us is "don't change the page". On a project like yours, encouraging contributions is much more important than pure spelling consistency. Don't do anything that discourages potential contributors from participating.
I would add the following further suggestions.
  • First: Don't make it up. If there is really a well-sourced standard to use, I would encourage you to document it and use it. If there is such a source and you decide to ignore it, then in the future someone may try to come in and impose the standard on you, and you may not have sufficient grounds to stop it.
  • Second: Allow for both Latin and Bengali script. If there is a standard conversion table between them, then use the Latin script of the standard conversion table, because it will make life a lot easier when you wish to implement a conversion tool. If there is not a standard conversion table, you can still include pages in both scripts. See, as an example, lad:Astronomiya and lad:אסטרונומייה, where we have tabs between parallel pages.
Hope that helps. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf, StevenJ81:OK thanks for your input. I think I'll stay away from making this page for now because firstly, I think spelling consistency is less important than contributions, and secondly, I am not the authority to impose a spelling standard even though I'm pretty sure there isn't one. Nevertheless, it's still very important to bring this up at some point in time and I'll make sure that I have the proper authority backing me. As for allowing for both Latin and Bengali scripts, the problem is that the majority of the native speakers like me from Meghalaya have no knowledge whatsoever of the Bengali script, although I'm sure there must be someone who does. I'll let you know when I catch hold of someone like that so we can get a conversion tool.
Tipshuh (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Where can I request to test my bot?[edit]

R96340 (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your bot does, but the usual place to test things like that is not Incubator, but rather one of the test platforms, like Test Wikipedia. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

I want to import 20 000 word to arq wiktionary[edit]

Hi i want to create approximately 20000 articles with autowikibrowser - :My question is : is the auto creation without restriction or we should to create or we do not must exceed a predefined number per minute ? --Bachounda (talk) 15:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I tried doing a similar thing on arq Wiktionary before (~100 words), however, I regretted it. There is no standard orthography, you might change your mind later on as I did. You might also want to change the layout of entries. My suggestion is to try doing it manually. You will encounter some problems and you'll do some changes along the way.
P.S: Apparently you have already done that. However, words are not spelled correctly, for instance, هواء should be spelled هوا because there is no glottal stop in Darja. Another example is هواء المضغوط, the definite article ǝl- here is incorrect. Furthermore, the layout needs improvement. Finally, all the articles that you created are using unprefixed templates.
Given all these reasons, I suggest that you don't do it this way. Or at least, standardize the orthography and decide on a good entry layout before importing the words. You might also want to add definitions or at least one example to every word. The lack of a standard spelling system is what made me stop from contributing to the project temporarily. --GeekEmad (talk) 16:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thank you for the message talk . si vous avez du temps on pourra discuter en directe et se mettre d'accord car j'ai ce fichier depuis il ya de cela 3 ans et je n'ai qu'une envie c'est de le mette en partage libre, une discussion approfondie s'impose, في أقرب وقت --Bachounda (talk) 21:41, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

More on Main Page[edit]

Given what we do here, I think we ought to change the "Wikisource" link on the bottom of the main page from English Wikisource to Old (Multilingual) Wikisource. Any thoughts?

I'm not sure one way or the other about Wikiversity, especially given that Beta Wikiversity might be on its last legs. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:43, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
No comments, so I'm doing. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2017 (UTC)


Problem creating "Main category" for two projects in same language[edit]

I am working on two test projects and but I'm unable to create a main category for one of them. Category:Wp/dag is okay but when I try to create Category:Wk/dag it says "There is a page named "Category:Wp/dag/Wk/dag" on this wiki.", which is not what I want. There is no red link for me to follow to create Category:Wk/dag. -—M@sssly 09:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Masssly: Wk is not a valid project type here, so that's why you're having a problem. Your choices are Wp (Wikipedia), Wt (Wiktionary), Wb (Wikibooks), Wq (Wikiquote), Wn (Wikinews) and Wy (Wikivoyage). Try one of those and let me know if there's a further problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
OK. I looked inside and saw what you tried to do. We don't usually do that, but I went ahead and moved your "Wp/dag/Wk/dag" to Category:Incubator:Test wikis/Dagbani tests, and also created Category:Wt/dag. See if you think I got this right. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Exactly what I wanted StevenJ81, thanks. A lot I still have to learn here :-) —M@sssly 16:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Most of the time we don't create combination categories for all the projects of a single language. You can navigate between them easily enough from the root pages (Wp/dag, Wt/dag). To the extent it happens, it happens the way I did it—and you wouldn't have been able to create that category, because it's an unprefixed category page.
Anyway, welcome, and feel free to ask if you have any questions. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

An incubator with a lot of empty or nearly-empty pages[edit]

I was sad to discover today that the Bodo Wikipedia incubator (Wp/brx) consists of a lot of empty or mostly-empty pages.

I started marking them for deletion, but gave up after a bunch. There must be a better way to deal with this.

I'm not sure what it is though. The page title might be good, but are they actually useful? Probably not. Or should somebody with administrative rights just delete them directly without adding templates? Or maybe I'm exaggerating and they shouldn't be deleted at all?

Thanks! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

@Amire80: Other than something outright illegal or untrue, why delete anything from the Incubator? —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
One of the things that the Language committee checks before approving a project is the activity. There are many edits and pages, but very little content, so the current number is misleading. Also, "No meaningful content or history" is #1 in the Speedy deletion criteria. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
@Amire80: Of course it will never graduate from Incubator with a bunch of semi-empty pages but it also won't get approved by deleting them. Someone will make these pages sooner or later and if there's at least something there, it's that much less work to get started in the future. I don't think that content should be deleted from Incubator minus a few issues like doxxing or pages which are links to malware. Even more-or-less blank pages turn redlinks blue which is a start. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:55, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Indeed. Before approval, wikis are thoroughly checked on contents. As most wikis even require an expert to confirm whether it is actually written in the supposed language, any wrong or empty content-wikis are clearly filtered out. --OWTB (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Well yeah, being part of the language committee, that's what I started doing to this language. Seeing that it has a lot of pages, I thought that perhaps it's close to being big enough for "graduation", but then I found that it clearly isn't. To prevent such confusion I thought of deleting the empty pages. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Amir. I'm not really sure what to do about this. Most of the content was provided by User:Mr. Nijwmsa Boro or by one of his many socks. I think this young man was trying to have some fun with all of this. But he eventually disappeared when I wouldn't give him test-admin rights and when I insisted he stick to a single account for editing. (In other words, I told him there are rules here.) On the whole, there is probably more than enough justification to delete most of the pages in the Bodo language tests.
At the same time, the usual practice in Incubator has been to leave any content that is inherently legitimate, more or less on the grounds that Justin has stated above, and for the same reason that people tend to !vote against closing projects on a larger scale: Maybe someone legitimate will eventually come by, and having something here as a start is better than not having anything.
I have recently deleted some pages from tests that were otherwise empty but had a start page created in a different language (English, for example), because all content should be in the language of the test. But as long as there is legitimate content in the test, in the right language, I've been inclined to leave it alone.
I don't know if LangCom formally has oversight responsibility for the Incubator or not. (MF-Warburg?) But remember, also, that our rules here are more lenient than the rules for a full project in a subdomain. As long as a language has a legitimate language code, it can run projects here. So with Bodo, I'm inclined to leave things alone.
There are probably at least a couple of hundred other test projects on this wiki that have even less real content than the Bodo Wikipedia. I'd delete those first, frankly. And I won't do that unless there is a formal change in policy here to support that. And I'm not sure who is even entitled to make such a change in policy. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Follow-up: @Amire80, Koavf: I deleted the pages you actually marked, because they really didn't have any meaningful content, and it wasn't worth the effort to undo the templating. I'd say as a rule, though, I wouldn't bother with this, because I'd rather leave things in place in the hope that someone else will eventually build the test.
And, Amir: חג שמח. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for all of this StevenJ81! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Reverting over redirect? (Wp/ryu and Wt/ryu)[edit]

Just noticed a user moved a page in ryu wiki from Wp/ryu/みじ to Wp/ryu/ミジ and then edited the redirect page and prevented the article from moving back. How to get over the restriction and move the page back to under original article name?C933103 (talk) 04:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

This is marked for speedy deletion. After deletion, you may rename Wp/ryu/ミジ into correct name Wp/ryu/みじ. --Kaganer (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Can you two try to talk this over with the person who moved it first? Or do you have a strong sense that it is vandalism? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The entire incubator wiki is written in kanji plus hiragana. For the user who moved this page, his action on the wiki was initially changing all hiragana content to katakana, which then he changed some of them back but not all of them. And then the contributor started to change those content into latin characters, which some of them are reverted by another user citing discussion result in talk page.
Reverts I have done yesterday in the incubator was to clean up whatever the contributor have changed content script without consensus or asking others.
The said contributor now opened a latin character homepage for the incubator wiki and have also made some latin character articles and template for the wiki too so it seems like he understand about it too and they can somehow coexists although it is the first time I see the kind of romanization that contributor have been using.C933103 (talk) 18:32, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
The said user also added hundreds of entry into wt/ryu but all of them are in latin and most of them are actually words from Ukrain/Macedonian/Polish/Croatian/Slovak/Turkmen language.. not saying they're bad or anything but just that it is a pretty strange choice of starting point.... especially when most of them are just numbers/month names in different article and those articles are created in the same format of "==(language name in ryukyuan)== ===(Ryukyuan word for number/month)=== # (the number/month name in ryukyuan) [[Category:Wt/ryu]]".C933103 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. I'll do the fixes you requested. Where is the talk page for this overall discussion? StevenJ81 (talk) 19:18, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
See Talk:Wp/ryu/メインページ for historical discussion, and editor comments in edit history of Wp/ryu/メインページ for editor exchange. C933103 (talk) 19:24, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
OK. Thank you. Please let me know if you need further help. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Namespaces[edit]

What are the namespaces that can be translated into the language of the wikipedia test? I know that some namespaces have special functions, and that translating them will break these functions as the software doesn't recognize the translated term. --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: One set of namespaces which we can't have here are those relying on mw:Extension:Proofread Page, such as Index and Page. This is one reason why s:mul: still exists. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:59, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Unfortunately I didn't understand your response, I'm a just a beginner at Wikimedia Incubator. The namespaces that I know are those mentionned in this article. I heard that Category and Template namespaces mustn't be translated, however, the Portal and Wikipedia namespaces can be translated, is that right? --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ: Those namespaces are definitely translated elsewhere. Localization is part of the process of creating a local wiki. —Justin (koavf)TCM 15:44, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: I will give some concrete examples because I don't think that our issue is related to localisation. To create a template or a category, we name it this way: Template:Wp/zgh/Name of the template or Category:Wp/zgh/Name of the category. However, to name a portal or a help page, we do it this way: Wp/zgh/Awwur:Name of the portal, Wp/zgh/Tiwisi:Name of the help page. What do you think? --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 17:30, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ:, yes, that's correct. Basically anything after Wp/zgh/ should be in Tamaziɣt. "Category" and "Template" should be translated in translatewiki.net --GeekEmad (talk) 18:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
All of the above is correct. But if and when Wp/zgh is exported into a subdomain, if namespace names are in English, they will still be transferred correctly. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Template error Wp/khw[edit]

Dear sirs/madams I am unable to fix this template[12] can anybody help me to fix the unexpected error of this template? Thanks --RAChitrali 04:16, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
It looks like your template calls are unprefixed. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Haitian Creole (correct name for this language is Kreyòl Ayisien)[edit]

This page has some extraneous html that has messed up the page title. I tried a move but couldn't do it because of the dis-allowed characters. It should just be 'Paj prinsipal'.
Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS) (talk) 16:55, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

@Barbara (WVS): It is already at "Paj Prensipal". —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:03, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
@Barbara (WVS): If you're wondering about the "Wt/ht/" part, those are prefixes that are required for all projects on Incubator. Feel free to discuss with me at my talk page or by email. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:04, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I didn't know that. Thank you.
Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS) (talk) 21:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Root category?[edit]

What is this root category thing: Category:Wp/xyz ? Is this category necessary? I didn't find any help page on this category even if it is commonly used in wikipedia projects, so what is it exactly? --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 23:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

@Amara-Amaziɣ: Root categories are the most fundamental or basic categories: something has to be the final category that contains all other categories. For all of Incubator, that is Category:(-ALL-). —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:02, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: I have read this response on the same topic, what do you say about it? I guess there is something wrong with the way we use this category. --Amara-Amaziɣ (talk) 14:14, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Amara-Amaziɣ: I don't think the category is broken--it's just that a lot of features of MediaWiki aren't made with a project like Incubator or s:mul: in mind. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
As explained in the link, you can use the category for counting the pages of your test-wiki. The "but for the root category we cannot remove it" part does not apply anymore. Incubator admins are indifferent about whether you want to use it or not. --MF-W {a, b} 14:57, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, a relatively new feature of Cat-a-lot makes it pretty easy to add or remove the root category from every page with a given prefix. So on the whole, I think you can feel comfortable using it, knowing that it's easily enough removed if/when the test is exported. At the same time, you certainly don't have to. Personally, I've been making sure that tests have a root category, because that's one way we can count the number of tests that exist here. But like MF-W, I'm indifferent to whether it gets used any further than that. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Following section moved back to main CP page. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

How do I determine depth in a DynamicPageList?[edit]

I have been composing a new main page for Dutch Wikinews. There are several blocks that are not functioning on the main page, because my DynamicPageList only lists the articles in the main category, and not of the subcategories. A good example is the second block at the right: "Caribisch Nederland". In the main category are 4 articles and the main page (fixed version) (fixed template) shows these 4 pages. However, the main page should list the latest 7 articles in all (sub)categories. Can someone help please to solve this problem? Thanks in advance! Ymnes (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Geobox error[edit]

Can anybody help us to fix this geobox error?[13] Thanks --RAChitrali 09:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Re-proposal to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator[edit]

Hello. After the closure of the first attempt, the second attempt to merge Beta Wikiversity into Incubator is made soon. Please comment there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 02:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Basically I would still support as it can ease phab:T54971 work (otherwise @George Ho: how do you consider this task?) --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Edits from Incubator to Wikinews NL[edit]

Hello everyone, A couple of days ago, after working a long time in the Incubator on the Wn/nl (Wikinews Dutch), the project is approved and now has it own wiki. A problem is that my contributions have not been transferred to the new wiki. Contributions Incubator <> Contributions Wikinews NL. On Wikinews NL, my first edit is on July 6, but on Incubator on January 19. Other users doesn't have this problem, only me. How can this be fixed? Thanks in advance! Livenws (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Callng @MF-Warburg ... StevenJ81 (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
This is because your account on nl.wikinews didn't exist yet when the pages were imported. This is the known bug phabricator:T36873. --MF-W {a, b} 03:26, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the information! Livenws (talk) 16:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Account creator flag and workshops[edit]

Moved from I:AN. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
User:Benoit Rochon, head of Wikimedia Canada, suspects he may need "account creator" from time to time to run workshops for a new test wiki in Innu-aimun, an indigenous Canadian language. Is there a reason that we don't have the right to grant and remove this flag? Would anyone have a problem if I put in a phabricator for that? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Update: Point is moot in this case, because he's a sysop on frwiki, so can create accounts from there. But as a general rule, why wouldn't we want to be able to do this, in case a chapter is running a workshop in a test wiki language? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:21, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I think nobody knows why the default configuration is that no local groups can grant this right. I have no problem with allowing the granting and removing of it to sysops or bureaucrats. Though I think configuration changes should be proposed on I:CP :P --MF-W {a, b} 20:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree. Just wanted a quick consult here first. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

end of moved section
For the community at large:

I propose that full administrators and bureaucrats be allowed to set and remove the flag "account creator". This user right is automatically a part of the tools that administrators and bureaucrats themselves can use. Currently, the only other accounts on Incubator that have this user right are bots.

  • Under ordinary circumstances, a maximum of six accounts can be created from a single IP address within a 24-hour period. The purpose of this limitation is to prevent the automated creation of unlimited spam and vandalism accounts from a single location. And under ordinary circumstances, this limitation doesn't really get in the way of responsible people creating accounts for their own use, or even for use by themselves and a member or two of a family at once.
  • Sometimes, however, different organizations—for example, educational institutions, Wikimedia chapters, and the like—may run workshops to encourage people to contribute to Wikimedia projects. In this case, many people may try to create accounts at once from a single location, and then will run up against this limitation.
  • As long as an administrator or bureaucrat is involved in the workshop, that is not a problem. But in some of the small language communities we have here on Incubator, that could easily become a problem, because most of those communities do not have administrators or bureaucrats that speak the language. My feeling is that it might be very worthwhile for some of the test wiki communities here to consider running programs like this, and to encourage others in their home communities to participate in the tests.
  • As an example, Wikimedia Canada is about to start workshops in Innu-aimun. After its recent success in working on the Atikamekw Wikipedia test, and having it successfully launched as its own project, it wants to move on to tackle another language of a Canadian First Nation (fr). It will do this by running workshops for that community, which may require more than six accounts to be created from the workshop location of the course of a day or two.

In order to facilitate tests like this, I would like us to be able to set and remove this user right locally. (Currently, it requires a steward request at m:SRP.) Assuming the community approves this request, we will lay out some rules for its use. However, we would tentatively assume the following:

  • This right would be granted only for the purpose of a specific event. The event would require a responsible sponsor, and we would need to have access to some publicity for the event. The right would be granted temporarily, and would expire after the event.
  • This right would only be granted to trusted users—normally test administrators, or others with a history of responsible editing and/or advanced user rights on Wikimedia projects.

I will leave this proposal up for seven days to request comments. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Support[edit]

  • StevenJ81 (talk) as proposer. 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Amqui (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
  • --MF-W {a, b} 22:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Oppose[edit]

General discussion[edit]

  • @MF-Warburg: I'm going to file a phabricator on this later today. On most wikis the only right this group has is (noratelimit). But enwiki also includes (override-antispoof) and (tboverride-account). I don't think I'd overwrite the account blacklist, but I could argue either way on the antispoof issue (EventAcct1, EventAcct2, etc.). Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Does antispoof prevent such accounts? I thought it only is for preventing trickery like registering "ΜF-Warburg" where the Μ is actually a Greek letter. --MF-W {a, b} 14:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
You're right. I misunderstood. OK, no need for an override for that, then. Will get this underway. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Result[edit]

Stock post message.svg Doing...  No objections. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

See task phabricator:T171751. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Thanks to User:MarcoAurelio for his help. Note that to simplify the execution, the right to grant and remove this flag was granted to 'crats, not sysops. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@Benoit Rochon: You can still use French Wikipedia for your events if that's easier for you. But we can now flag you as account creator here, and then you can create the accounts directly on Incubator if you prefer. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Translatewiki[edit]

How can I translate the messages needed for Wikipedia without being able to choose Coptic as a translate language? Can anyone help me? Greetings User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ

@ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ: You will have to talk to the community at http://translatewiki.net/--they are responsible for translating MediaWiki's interface. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:41, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I just tried that. I created an account and can't edit anything, not even discussion pages. User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ
@ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ: That is odd. I know that if you want to translate things, you have to have certain user rights but editing a talk page should be available to most anyone. You can see if @Nemo bis: can help you maybe. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Also calling @Amire80. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I just accepted your request for translator rights on TWN. You can now edit pages. --MF-W {a, b} 21:02, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much! User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ 7/29/2017
User:ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ, the Coptic language is supposed to be fully enabled in translatewiki.net now. I see that you already started translating :)
I suggest reading the following pages for some tips:
Thanks for your contributions! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Wp/skr[edit]

@MF-Warburg: sir and @StevenJ81: Dear sirs, I am pleased to inform you the Saraiki Community of Wp/skr requested for enabling the Interface language Saraiki, is it possible? Please help the Saraiki Language Communities in Pakistan and India if Possible. Thanks--RAChitrali 17:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
The community needs to translate the interface at translatewiki.net. Start here: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&language=skr&group=core-0-mostused&filter=%21translated. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Saraiki is not supported at https://translatewiki.net. Thanks Kindly now create the sites Wp/skr and Wt/skr.Sraiki (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
You'll have to speak with translatewiki.net about that. Go to translatewiki:Support and ask to have skr supported there. (Calling @MF-Warburg and @Amire80.) StevenJ81 (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand the question. This language is already enabled. You can switch to it using the language selector next to the username at the top of the page. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:18, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@Amire80: But why neither [14] nor [15] are working well? Something is still broken in ULS? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Sraiki, Liuxinyu970226, this should be fixed in translatewiki.net now. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Boilerplate text is excluding Wikispecies[edit]

Over at any newly-created wiki (today, wm2018: and hi:v: were made but it also applies to actual Incubator graduates), there is a boilerplate main page which reads something like:

This subdomain is reserved for the creation of a [project] in [x] language

    Please do not start editing this new site. This site has a test project on the Wikimedia Incubator (or on the Beta Wikiversity or on the Old Wikisource) and it will be imported to here.

    If you would like to help translating the interface to this language, please do not translate here, but go to translatewiki.net, a special wiki for translating the interface. That way everyone can use it on every wiki using the same software.

    For information about how to edit and for other general help, see Help on Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki or Help on MediaWiki.org.

Sister projects

Wikipedia | Wiktionary | Wikibooks | Wikinews | Wikiquote | Wikisource | Wikiversity | Wikivoyage | Wikidata | Commons

See Wikimedia's Meta-Wiki for the coordination of these projects.

Why does this text not mention Wikispecies? How can I get it amended to include this other sister? —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:48, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Detaching Wy/ko from Incubator[edit]

How to detach some project from incubator? In case of Korean wikivoyage, there are some request detaching from incubator. See here.--Altostratus (talk) 05:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

@Altostratus, -revi, MF-Warburg: As a general rule, there are two things that the Language Committee and WMF want to see in order to approve a new project: (1) content, and (2) an active community which will ensure that at least initially the project will remain active after it is exported from Incubator.
  • With respect to content, there are no fixed rules as to how many pages there need to be, only that there is a reasonable amount of non-trivial content. Ultimately, Language Committee would decide whether the content you have now is sufficient, but it is always helpful to continue adding content. (My own view is that you are on the borderline for this now.)
  • With respect to activity, LangCom wants to see a period of at least three consecutive months where there are at least three active editors having ten or more edits each during each month. The three active editors don't have to be the same every month—just that there have to be three editors during each month. And then that activity level needs to be maintained until approval and export. Korean Wikivoyage has never met that activity standard for three consecutive months, and has not even met it for a single month since January 2014. So unquestionably you will need to get some community of contributors together and contributing in order for the LangCom to consider a project approval. (I appreciate that some people are saying that people won't contribute until the project is exported. I can't help you with that apparent Catch-22, and so encourage you to recruit additional contributors anyway.)
I gather from m:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Korean that there was an old Wikitravel domain here, but that there was apparently little useful information there. If you want to go back and review that and bring anything worthwhile from there to here please feel free. That will help on the content side. But until you have an active community the project will not be approved. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that kowikivoyage is better left at incubator... Various other sisterprojects in Korean which left the incubator tells the future if it gets a dedicated domain: it'll die. — regards, Revi 10:01, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Comment Comment Hungarian and Japanese Wikivoyages are likely, they're marked as (questionable?!) Approved on Meta-Wiki list of RFL requests, but not on their request pages (still phase I submitted), and per Catanalysis tool (only "Verified as eligible" and "Approved" requests are included):
projects pages editors edits
Wy/ar 1735 284 7690
Wy/hy 85 22 218
Wy/bg 140 21 402
Wy/da 471 47 2397
Wy/eo 2030 67 20685
Wy/ka 288 18 1902
Wy/hu 197 21 558
Wy/id 938 66 2566
Wy/ja 202 55 633
Wy/ko 394 99 2298
Wy/mr 122 14 457
Wy/sk 118 17 837
Wy/tl 6 9 15
Wy/ta 287 23 734
Wy/th 330 40 2168
Wy/tr 152 55 573
Wy/vep 23 8 113
Wy/diq 1005 46 3655

Those datas are much better than Wikiversity as their "test-projects" are also having machine translations which so-called as fluency-from-random-Wikipedias (not surprise, my another reason that I support migrating Beta Wikiversity back to Incubator is because our Incubator are having very well RTL interface which is required by Muslim/Judaic editors), but not better than Wiktionary which most de-facto-Wikipedia-only languages are using WT as 2nd test-project. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:19, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Goodbye phab:T18976, phab:T30985 and phab:T21986[edit]

These tracking tasks, as per phab:T102509, are converted to Wiki-Setup (Create), Wiki-Setup (Close) and Wiki-Setup (Rename) milestone projects, notice here as there may have documentations that need to update. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:48, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Template Help[edit]

Hello, Iam new and working on Wp/sat(incubator). I have read the template tutorials from wikipedia but when am using that template code, it doesn't shows like template. It displaying only the template title (e.g. Template:xxxx). So please help me how make infobox template like others page.

Thanks, Ramjit — The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Ramjit Tudu (talk), 02:59, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ramjit Tudu: Can you give us a link to a template page you have been working on? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:44, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

How to add the translations of a language name ?[edit]

Hello everyone, I'm currently working on the Wallisian (wls) wikipedia incubator (Wp/wls), but when I set my interface language to French, I get "Wikipédia en Wallisian". I'd like to change it to "Wikipédia en wallisien". I've looked in many places (Incubator, Mediawiki...), but could not find the page where I could add the translations for that language. Any help appreciated ! Thanks Skimel (talk) 22:09, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

@Skimel: Translations for the MediaWiki interface are actually done at translatewiki:. —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
@Koavf: Thanks for your answer, but I couldn't find the translation pages on Translatewiki either. In fact, I'm wondering where the various translations for each language are stored (eg the page where "English", "Anglais", "Inglès"... etc are). Any idea ? I've also noticed that this page Template:Test wiki/639-3 does not have all the ISO 639-3 codes. Thanks! Skimel (talk) 19:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
@Skimel: There may not be anyone translating into Wallisian at the moment. You would need to propose it there. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:10, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
Maybe I was not clear enough. I do not want to translate pages into Wallisian (I don't speak this language well), but I'd like to translate the interface into French. Right now Wp/wls is in a mixture of French and English (I've set my preferences to French). The code on this page is {{test wiki | mainpage = Wp/wls/Main Page | status = open | meta = yes | language = Wallisian }} I cannot find the page where the parameter "language" is defined (is there a list of all languages, is it ISO 639-3 ?), and more importantly, the page where "Wallisian" gets translated into different languages (as "Algerian Arabic" (Wp/arq) gets translated to "arabe algérien" in French). Thanks a lot for your help :) Skimel (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
@Skimel: At pages such as https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp/wls/Main_Page&action=info one can set a language. Whether you have those rights or it is enabled here, I do not know. In general, that is how it is done in MediaWiki. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
@Skimel: It turns out that this takes place in another place altogether, at CLDR. Read at translatewiki:FAQ#Language_names, and follow the directions there. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:06, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Page Delete[edit]

I have moved a page from Wp/sat/Main page (Ol Chiki) to Wp/sat/ᱢᱩᱬᱩᱛ ᱥᱟᱦᱴᱟ

But, am now want to revert that to original one (i.e. Wp/sat/Main page (Ol Chiki)) and delete the new page (i.e. wp/sat/ᱢᱩᱬᱩᱛ ᱥᱟᱦᱴᱟ)

How can I do it? Please Help me.

Thanks, Ramjit Tudu (talk) 07:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

  1. Move the page back to its original location. When ask, choose the "overwrite current page" option.
  2. Place the template {{delete}} on the page you want deleted. (Don't replace the current contents with it, just add it to the top.)

Eventually, I'll see that page come up for deletion and will act on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


    Just done it, please check .

Thanks, Ramjit Tudu (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

OK. That worked. Now here's the other thing you have to do: Go to the page you want deleted and then click on ⧼What links here⧽. Click that, and see what pages link to the page you want to delete. You have to go to each of those pages and fix the links so they go to the new target page. [Don't worry about this page (I:CP), just the others.] I can't delete until that happens. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Atayal Wikipedia test[edit]

Members of that community should read a note I left at Talk:Wp/tay/Main Page. Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Please do not enable New filters for edit review beta feature for now[edit]

For the reason: mw:Topic:Tyywojxix0m5lyx2 --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:04, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

This is now working again. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:29, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage[edit]

Hei we are activ now one month ago,we do our best Wy/ps (pashto wikivoyage) but i think the language should be approved now please help us we are waiting :)) --Khan (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

We all really appreciate your hard work and positive attitude, Khan. But this project is not close to being ready for approval. Let me explain (again) why:
  1. You really don't have much content here. Yes, there are 140 pages. But I did a random check of ten pages in your test this morning. Six were nothing more than empty shells: section headers you'd like to see filled in, with no content. Three were, at best, stubs: those shells, with perhaps a line or two of content inside. Only one of the ten really had content in it, and at that it was a pretty short page. So you just need more content.
  2. You don't have a community. You need three named users contributing at least ten times every month. In August, there was just you, in September you and one other. The Language Committee will not approve projects built by one person.
I hope that has been clear. Good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:35, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikimedia is getting rid of Tidy[edit]

I'd like to bring the community's attention to this announcement that came in last week's Tech News (I:Wikimedia news#Tech News: 2017-38):

Future changes

Please take this seriously, and check if your tests have pages listed at Special:LintErrors (or if any of your userpages are listed!). In particular, any page in the "High Priority" category will probably be broken if you do not fix the coding. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: sir some Special:LintErrors found in Khowar Wikipedia, please check and guide us. Thanks --RAChitrali 09:29, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@Rachitrali: Most of your issues have to do with complex coding problems that I am not expert in. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Test wiki for incubator extension[edit]

There should be a test wiki for the Incubator extension. There are already test wikis for the Wikidata extension and MediaWiki in general. Maybe something like test.incubator.wikimedia.org or incubator.test.wikipedia.org? KATMAKROFAN (talk) 03:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Create a Beta Cluster Incubator (https://incubator.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/) instead? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:17, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
What do you want to test? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Simple wikis[edit]

I think a good idea would be to create simple wiki pages like the English one but in different languages to aid learners (such as myself) and to help those with learning disabilities who speak other languages. If anyone is willing to help me with this I am willing to help however I am only fluent English

--Vexthesmol (talk) 18:59, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Vexthesmol: I think that separate wikis in simple versions of languages would not be successful--however good the idea is. Instead, it would probably be best to encourage an individual project to adopt simple versions of their content. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:40, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
  • Policy on "simple" projects is as follows:
    • There is a very narrow definition as to what simple projects might be considered in the future. See this discussion page.
    • Related: all the Simple English projects have been closed except for Wikipedia and Wiktionary—and Wiktionary really only because it provides definitions supporting Wikipedia.
    • New "simple" projects do not incubate here. They incubate within the existing projects of their language community. This way, the language community decides if it wishes to support the simple project. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:14, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Sindhi Devnagiri[edit]

Please tell me how do I start Sindhi Devnagiri language in Wikipedia. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.1.113.246 (discussioncontribs).

@196.1.113.246: See m:Language_committee/Handbook_(requesters)#Making_a_new_request. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:27, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually ...
  • See Wp/snd, where there is already a test project running in Sindhi using Devanagari script.
  • See m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sindhi, which is the formal request for this project.
    Note that it's not at all obvious that this project will be approved. Language Committee would far prefer there to be one and only one Sindhi Wikipedia, which would be equipped with a script converter so that both Arabic and Devanagari could be used. Nevertheless, you can still make the request, and still contribute to the test project in the meantime. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage numerals[edit]

Hei is there someone who can help us to change Our Numerals to Eastern Arabic numerals in Pashto Wikivoyage , because we use Eastern Arabic numerals in in Our language...thank's:)) Khan (talk)

Participate in Dispute Resolution Focus Group[edit]

The Harvard Negotiation & Mediation Clinical Program is working with the Wikimedia Foundation to help communities develop tools to resolve disputes. You are invited to participate in a focus group aimed at identifying needs and developing possible solutions through collaborative design thinking.

If you are interested in participating, please add your name to the signup list on the Meta-Wiki page.

Thank you for giving us the opportunity to learn from the Wikimedia community. We value all of your opinions and look forward to hearing from you. JosephNegotiation (talk) 16:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Working with an incubator wiki is very time consuming and hard[edit]

Initial post moved from Incubator talk:Main Page. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

hi.Working with an incubator wiki is very time consuming and hard. Because we have to write the language prefixes in each step For example, in Wikipedia, such as English and ..., it's easy to create an article, but it's very limited in wiki Incubator and And the quality of the articles comes down.

  • solution:

Like the Wikipedia created such as :en - fa- fr and ... in the Incubator wiki we are working .Automatically has a wiki prefix for that language . Why does Wiki Incubator have all these restrictions? --Hosseinblue (talk) 23:19, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hosseinblue: A very good question. To give a brief answer, there are a couple of reasons.
  • First, it's because one could expect many different wikis potentially to have articles with the same name. For example, both Wikipedia and Wiktionary tests in Laki have main pages named سەر پەڕە. So if we didn't have prefixes, only one could be called that; the other would have to be called something else.
  • Second, it's because it makes it much easier to find and move the pages that need to be moved when a test is approved and exported.
  • Third, it makes it harder for vandals to hide junk here pretending to be real content. Not impossible, of course, just harder.
If you go to the "gadgets" page and turn on the very last gadget on the page, AddPrefix, I think you'll find that most of the time you need a prefix you'll automatically get one. And please don't hesitate to ask if you need further help. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage verification[edit]

Hello please check our language Pashto Wikivoyage, we doing our best and spending a lot of time to make Pashto Wikivoyage best. So please if you people verify our Wikivoyage this will give us big reason to work on this project. And thank you very much :))) .... --Khan (talk) 11:38, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

I think you're coming along very nicely. I appreciated the article you pointed me to yesterday, too! (smile) To be sure,
  • I can't judge the content—I don't read Pashto. Consider asking a couple of regulars at Pashto Wikipedia who haven't been so involved to have a look and see what they think.
  • I'm also not a big expert on Wikivoyage projects.
In any event, you need to continue to meet the activity requirement through November before I can recommend the project to the Language Committee. Also: LangCom would like to see continued activity translating the interface. All of the "most used" messages are translated, but consider tackling a portion of the untranslated MediaWiki core messages (here). StevenJ81 (talk) 13:03, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Dear Friend: This was very difficult for me to understand what you mean (:*I can't judge the content—I don't read Pashto. Consider asking a couple of regulars at Pashto Wikipedia who haven't been so involved to have a look and see what they think.) can you please write little bit easier:))) Khan (talk) 03:44, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

He means because he doesn't know Pashto, he can't tell if the writing is good, but ask a few people that go on the site sometimes but don't write a lot to see if the writing is good, and say if you need to do anything to make the writing better. JustinCB (talk) 18:31, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Wp/lld village pump[edit]

Hi, I have been asked to help new Wp/lld users with editing basics and minor technical issues (I don't speak the language myself, but all of them speak Italian and many of them German). For this purpose, we need simple communicating tools, i.e. a local village pump and possibly a local help desk. Are there any points to be considered or discussed before creating the pages? --Pegasovagante (talk) 20:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Just about everything is up to the community. I'd just make the following points:
  • The form of the page location will be Wp/lld/Wikipedia:xxx
    As I'm sure you know, the itwiki version is "Wikipedia:Bar". So if you think that Italian will be the main language of communication there, consider naming the page Wp/lld/Wikipedia:Bar. If there is a better Ladin name than that, I think I'd still put a redirect at that location, because your contributors might look for it there.
  • Similarly, the form for the help desk would be either Wp/lld/Wikipedia:xxx or Wp/lld/Help:xxx (or Wp/lld/Aiuto:xxx). Same parallel comments would apply to the name.
  • State at the top of each page that Italian and German, as well as Ladin, are allowed for discussion on the page.
  • If you get overburdened there, consider encouraging people to use the itwiki or dewiki pages where the questions are broadly about Wikipedia, and focus any discussion on the test's pages on issues specifically relating to the Ladin test.
Any other questions, please be in touch. Good luck. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:29, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I'll definitely follow your advice. --Pegasovagante (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
FYI, I created the following pages:

Why the page I have edited is not Indexed yet?[edit]

Hi,

I have edited a page recently. It hasn't been indexed yet. Please let me know how can I change that. Please find the link to the page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagar_Prakash_Koko_Brahmbhatt

Thank You. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kashyap13 (discussioncontribs).

@Kashyap13: Questions about the English Wikipedia should really be asked and answered there. —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:23, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Anonomous IP reverts of Middle English wikipedia article on England[edit]

The IP user in question is 80.178.204.11 . I had rewritten the page because it wasn't in Middle English, but the aforementioned IP user reverted it. Now Wp/enm/Engelond is written in a language that looks like a mispelled Norse language mixed with French, Old English, and a little Middle English. It uses a ß's and vowels with diacritics that were never used in Middle English, as well as ð's that were rarely used in Middle English, and never used for d's. JustinCB (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

@JustinCB: I'm not quite sure exactly what to do about it. One of the little issues here is that sysops don't necessarily speak all the languages in use in Incubator. So I have no way of judging a priori who's correct. Do you have any sources to share that can prove that you're right? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Have you even looked at the page? This is the first paragraph(with the first sentence already in Middle English[in 2008]):

Engelond beeþ a kyngdome in Europe. Þá som 50 gráþusun a iállinne. Angillríci héff eána ðinrid qe qýrriaþ. Annes ilff som Elisabeþ II.

Let's see it word by word in the Middle English Dictionary:
[16]
[17]
[18]
slightly differently)
[19]
not in the Middle English Dictionary)


"Þa" is a variant form of several words
"som" is also a variant
50 is a numeral, language neutral
starting with "grath"/"graþ", note that there is no "gráþusun" anywhere
"a", of course, is a common word and has several forms
starting with "ila". None resemble "iállinne". words begin with "ial"
the only word remotely resembling "Angillríci"
might be a variant of have
words starting with "ean". "eána" only vaguely resembles any of them.
words somewhat resembling "ðinrid"
doesn't exist in Middle English
words beginning with "qy" are erroneous forms of words. "qýrriaþ" is not among them.
"Annes" might be a variant of "oneness" in Middle English
word starts with "ilf", making "ilff" not a Middle English word
"som" is a variant of some words.
"Elisabeþ" spells "Elisabeth" with the archaic letter thorn
II. is roman numerals. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by JustinCB (discussioncontribs) 19:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC).

@JustinCB: Sorry that I lost track of this. Some of your links are dead, and this is a lot for me to go through. Do you mind filling out a table like this?
Word (my version) Word (IP change) Comment Link to source
apple apple Apples are red Link to apples are red
Each row takes the format
|-
|[your version]||[IP version]||[Comment]||[Link if available]

Wikimuseum[edit]

How can I generate tests for meta:Wikimuseum?--Felipe da Fonseca (talk) 13:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

@Felipe da Fonseca: I guess you can try one of the test platforms, like testwiki: or test2wiki:. It's not necessarily really their purpose, either, but we're not equipped to start a test for you here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:38, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Santali Wikipedia: Someone deleted main page[edit]

It's disappointing, someone deleted our main page from incubator (https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/sat/Main_Page). We created our pages and contents in roman/latin script.But now all the contents are disappeared.How the admins made it? Not only from incubator but also from the translate wiki same things are done! It's notable that Santali language have five written scripts (according to Wikipedia) and roman/latin script is one of them. We need an urgent solution. Please help — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Samar88 (discussioncontribs) 15:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC).

@Samar88: Effectively, you've been away for five years. That's a long time to assume that nothing is going to change around here. Let me make a couple of suggestions:
  • If you can find the old Main Page somewhere, let me know, and I'll try to restore it to somewhere. But the entire page history of this page seems to be in Ol Chiki, and is less than a year old. So I have no idea where any old versions might be.
  • You'll have to look around to see if there's a discussion on this topic. But if not, you'll have to start a discussion with the current community somewhere within the test, perhaps at Talk:Wp/sat or Talk:Wp/sat/Main Page. Something like this is a topic for the test community to decide. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Can I copy my topics to Talk:Wp/sat/Main Page ? --Samar88 (talk) 15:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't see why not. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

This conversation Made Upset:

Page Delete

I have moved a page from Wp/sat/Main page (Ol Chiki) to Wp/sat/ᱢᱩᱬᱩᱛ ᱥᱟᱦᱴᱟ

But, am now want to revert that to original one (i.e. Wp/sat/Main page (Ol Chiki)) and delete the new page (i.e. wp/sat/ᱢᱩᱬᱩᱛ ᱥᱟᱦᱴᱟ)

How can I do it? Please Help me.

Thanks, Ramjit Tudu (talk) 07:03, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

  1. Move the page back to its original location. When ask, choose the "overwrite current page" option.
  2. Place the template {{delete}} on the page you want deleted. (Don't replace the current contents with it, just add it to the top.)

Eventually, I'll see that page come up for deletion and will act on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


    Just done it, please check .

Thanks, Ramjit Tudu (talk) 17:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

OK. That worked. Now here's the other thing you have to do: Go to the page you want deleted and then click on ⧼What links here⧽. Click that, and see what pages link to the page you want to delete. You have to go to each of those pages and fix the links so they go to the new target page. [Don't worry about this page (I:CP), just the others.] I can't delete until that happens. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Info pages of approved projects[edit]

I'd find it rather useful if the links to useful pages such as "all pages", recent changes, request on Meta would not disappear from the info pages of projects which are approved, but not yet created (example: after approval, before). Yes/no? --MF-W {a, b} 19:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree with that, actually. I frequently change it to "open", then "Show preview" (then don't save) to see them. I'll work on it. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done @MF-Warburg: In order to do it fairly simply, I added a status "approved1" for cases like this, and will add that to the documentation. I probably should streamline the coding of the template a little, but I'm not doing it now. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Great. You can probably do something with the fact that the "approved" status already changes depending on whether you give a bug or a creation date as another parameter, but yeah, the template is awful to edit. --MF-W {a, b} 10:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Language translations - nys[edit]

How do I get nys added to my preferences language selection Gnangarra (talk) 05:08, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I see that 16% of the core messages are translated into nys. Normally the translations start to get exported once 13% are reached, so it should appear already. Maybe a patch is stuck somewhere as it's the holiday season. --MF-W {a, b} 14:48, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Rules for Montenegrin Test Project[edit]

(returned to test project page (Talk:Wp/cnr/Početna stranica) at 14:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC). StevenJ81 (talk)

@StevenJ81: what is going on, will the project on the incubator start? The editors have reached an agreement for it to be in latin alphabet, so there won't be any more arguments. Who is lang.com?--пеливан Gaim.svg (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Now open. I just started my day here (see my user page), and it took me a few minutes to get everything going. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)