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Ladino dolomitico[edit]

Scusa l'italiano. Il giorno 12 ottobre a Bolzano la Provincia autonoma di Bolzano presenta un tentativo di rilanciare Incubator in lingua ladina. C'è pure un comunicato ufficiale che , fin troppo, anticipa i tempi di quelle che sono le speranze future:

Speriamo comunque bene. Se su Incubator siamo forse solo ai sogni, per alcuni aspetti siamo avanti.
L'Università di Bolzano/Bressanone (sezione ladina) sta compiendo lo sforzo di creare un dizionario indicando tutte le occorrenze dei lemmi nella letteratura ladina.

Per far questo, come sopra ti avevo scritto, ha scansionato tutti i testi della letteratura ladina e ha curato l'OCR e la trascrizione sia nella grafia originaria che in quella moderna. Ci ha autorizzato a caricare su Wikisource tutte le sue trascrizioni.
Per la parte dizionario il progetto dell'Università è ancora in fase di stesura e non abbiamo però ancora pensato come sarà possibile utilizzarlo sui progetti Wikimedia. Nel frattempo abbiamo trovato che sul wikizionario inglese c'è già un interessante esperimento che i ladini hanno detto che è di buona qualità. Io ho solo messo un link per vedere come utilizzarlo in un discorso molto più ampio, ma tutto ancora da pensare.Mizardellorsa (talk) 13:58, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mizardellorsa: Grazie. Va bene; modificherò leggermente la pagina per rendere più chiare le questioni. Se si inizia a creare contenuti del dizionario, modifica Wt/lld per dire |status=open. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Ti ringrazio molto.--Mizardellorsa (talk) 09:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Il piacere è tutto mio. StevenJ81 (talk) 12:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Hei sir[edit]

Have you any news about our Pashto Wikivoyage ? thank's:)))) Khan (talk)

As I have said to you several times before, you must have three editors (with ten edits each) over three calendar months. Right now you only have two calendar months: September and October. You need to keep that up through November before I can suggest to the Language Committee that you are ready. You are welcome to ask me again on 1 December. :) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:46, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Did you get my email? Khan (talk) 23:30, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage numerals[edit]

Pashto alphabet and numerals

Hei brother can you help us to change our numerals to Eastern Arabic numerals in Pashto Wikivoyage , because we use Eastern Arabic numerals in in Our language...thank's:))) Khan (talk) Khan (talk) 11:58, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Khan, it doesn't look like Pashto Wikipedia uses them. Are you sure you want them?
Calling MF-Warburg, SPQRobin, Danny B.: I'm pretty sure there are scripts around somewhere to accomplish this? Are any of you familiar? And can such a think be put in place on a single test here, or does it need to wait unless/until a separate project is spun off? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:37, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Hei currently Arabic Wikipedia using Latin numerals, but they don't use it on Arabic test Wikivoyage, because now they have chance to use right numerals. And I as an administrator of Pashto Wikipedia and test Wikivoyage can say that the picture with Pashto script is 100% right. Also there is som of most useful and important websites, you can check every word's and numerals which we actually using here in Pashto language: i wrote Pashto version, because many of Afghanistan websites have two versions Dari and Pashto

  1. Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Islamic Republic of Afghanistan Pashto version
  2. Pashto google
  3. afghan national tv Pashto version
  4. Voice of American radio Pashto version
  5. afghan Afghan parliament Pashto version
  6. bbc Pashto
  7. Us embassy Pashto version
  8. Office of the President of Afghanistan Pashto version
  9. khaama.tv Pashto version
  10. rohi.af
  11. lekwal.com
  12. kabul.gov.af
  13. Ministry of Finance of Afghanistan Pashto version:-) Khan (talk) 19:05, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

OK. So the fact that it exists here on Arabic Wikivoyage test clearly shows there is a way to do this here on Incubator. Personally, I don't know how to do so. Let's see if any of the others I pinged will respond. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:09, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Hei brother maybe this is the link here can check out this please? :-)

You're probably right. BUT THIS IS WAY BEYOND MY SKILL TO DO RIGHT. PLEASE wait for someone who is more knowledgeable about this to help. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

ok..:-)Khan (talk)

Need your help[edit]

Hei sir can you please make this MediaWikies

  1. with this name: MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-open/ps, like this

MediaWiki: Testwiki-title-open/en.
Pashto word's for MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-open/ps is here: دا د ويکيمېډيا اېنکیوبېټر یوه خلاصه آزموینې ويکي ده

Next: with this name: MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-open/ps, like this MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-open/fa.
Pashto word's for MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-open/ps is here: دا ازمايښتي ويکي خلاصه ده یا د جوړولو وړتیاوې لري. که تاسو په دي ژبه پوهيږي، نو ستاسو نه غوښتنه کيږی چي په دغه پروژه کې بدلونونه راولي. همدارنګه [[Help:Manual/ps|لارښوونه]] وګوري چي څه کارونو   ته اړتیا شته چي تاسو يي تر سره کړي. Khan (talk)

Yes check.svg Done In general, better to do this at I:AN, so that if I'm not available someone else can do it. (Note: I'm happy to take care of things like this, but will only do it once a day.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

bqi wiki incubator[edit]

Hello Dear StevenJ81
please guide us to create bqi wiki please tell us the tips can help us to make this wiki. best wishes.Mogoeilor (talk) 08:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC) @Mogoeilor: Here's what you need to do:

  • (most urgent) Get at least one additional user besides you and User:میوند بختیاری to make at least ten edits between now and the end of November. Then keep up the level of activity with at least three named editors making at least ten edits in a month, every single month. Most months recently you have been fine, but you did miss October.
  • Stop creating new stubs (short pages). Instead, concentrate on turning pages you have into real encyclopedia pages. You really want to have at least half the pages in your test, and preferably more, as real encyclopedia pages, with detailed content and reliable sources. If I call up ten "random pages" on your test, I'd like to see at least five with more than 2–3 sentences of content.

Start there, and let's see where we are in another month or so. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:49, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

One other thing: What articles to give priority to for filling out into full encyclopedia articles? I'd suggest two different places to start:
StevenJ81 (talk) 16:54, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Good news[edit]

Hei brother good news for Pashto numerals please check it here T181265:) Khan (talk) 06:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Approving of Wikivoyage[edit]

Like you said, today is one December and can you please try to help us to Approve Pashto Wikivoyage? :))) Khan (talk) 12:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I have one project ahead of yours to try to finish moving through. You're next after that. Keep the project active in the meantime! StevenJ81 (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Hei sir could you please create this MediaWikis[edit]


  1. with this name: MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-approved-created/ps, like this

Pashto word's for MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-approved-created/ps is here: تاسو کولی شئ دا په <span style="font-size:90%;">'''[//{{SUBPAGENAME}}.{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Wp=wikipedia|Wt=wiktionary|Wb=wikibooks|Wn=wikinews|Wq=wikiquote|Ws=wikisource|Wv=wikiversity|Wy=wikivoyage}}.org/ {{SUBPAGENAME}}.{{#switch:{{BASEPAGENAME}}|Wp=wikipedia|Wt=wiktionary|Wb=wikibooks|Wn=wikinews|Wq=wikiquote|Ws=wikisource|Wv=wikiversity|Wy=wikivoyage}}.org]'''</span> کي پيدا کړي.

second: with this name: MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-approved/ps, like this MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-approved/fa.
Pashto word's for MediaWiki:Testwiki-text-approved/ps is here: دا ويکي د [[m:Language committee|د ژبې کمېټۍ]] لخوا تاييد کړل شوي ده، (همدارنګه [[I:Site creation log|د ويکي جوړونې پاڼه]] هم وګوري).

third: with this name: MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-approved/ps, like this MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-approved/fa.
Pashto word's for MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-approved/ps is here: دا د ويکيمېډيا اېنکیوبېټر تاييد شوي آزموینې ويکي ده Khan (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bloch khan: Yes check.svg Done Please make sure they look the way you think they should look. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:27, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage 2[edit]

Hei sir How is going work with Pashto Wikivoyage, is everything alright?:))) Khan (talk) 06:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

You seem to be doing fine. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, I'm trying to clear a couple of other things off of LangCom's desk, and then will have them look at Pashto Wikivoyage. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


Hei i looked at the impotent massage,and thanks, was thinking to suggest Wikivoyage to langcom? :)) Khan (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi. We'd better wait on this. There's a pretty heated debate on other subjects going on there right now. I don't think you'll have a problem, but please give me a few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:53, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Hei Sir I think waiting is the most difficult thing to do, and you know better than me, and trust me, every morning when I wake up and the first thing I do is to check what happened on Wikivoyage, normally I checking Wikivoyage more than 20 times from day I started to work on this project. But you know better what to do:)) Khan (talk) 00:27, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage 3[edit]

Hei sir is there any way to Approve Wikivoyage, I am waiting for this everyday:-| Khan (talk) 17:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Please: I beg your patience. I don't think you'll have a problem with approval, but I think that Friday is going to be the day I will take it to LangCom. Then remember that it will take one week for formal approval, and then at least another week or two for the new wiki to be created. Beyond that, remember that for most people in North America and Western Europe (including most of the people who do the technical work around here), this is a holiday season, and the physical creation of the wiki (and the export of the Incubator test to the new wiki) will be subject to a delay because of that.
To summarize: figure I will put the question to LangCom on Friday 15 Dec. Approval is likely (though not guaranteed) on Friday 22 Dec. Beyond that, unless the developers and exporters strongly desire to get this wiki created before the end of the year, the new wiki probably won't actually be created and ready to use until about mid-January. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks you very much for your help sir :-) Khan (talk) 12:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


Hei sir I didn't become administrator that is not a problem, like you said you will help me with some MediaWikies transactions. But can I take a way my request from incubator:administrator? and you also said that you will take our Wikivoyage to langcom this Friday :)) Khan (talk) 14:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I'll archive the administrator request. And I'm in the middle of some mail to LangCom right now. The request will be in before I'm finished with that. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
@Bloch khan: OK. The request went to LangCom just now. Note that I have just marked the project as "eligible" over on Meta, but remember that "eligible" is not a project approval, it only says that this project meets the eligibility guidelines for projects. I didn't do that earlier because I've been busy working on project requests that have been open since 2010 or earlier to resolve them first! StevenJ81 (talk) 15:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much sir, and what is next step? :))) Khan (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep working on the test. And otherwise ... wait. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sir like you said this will be Approv maybe after Christmas? :))) Khan (talk) 18:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Maybe. I forgot that once the LangCom agrees, we also need to publish a notice at Talk:Language committee for seven days and see if there are other objections. I have never seen one, but that's a piece of quality control to make sure that we haven't missed anything obvious. So let's say, maybe this will be approved by about New Year's Day. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:59, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Hei sir[edit]

Hei sir did you know how to change signature, in settings you can change the name, not hole signature system, I was thinking to make signature like this :
Khan Talk Khan (talk) 21:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

You usually shouldn't have a signature that becomes much bigger (vertically) than standard body text. (A little is ok; this much is not.) Otherwise, instructions are available at m:Help:Signature. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

I wish to you and all users of Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikidata, Wikimedia Incubator and Meta-Wiki Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Leonardo José Raimundo (talk) 09:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage 4[edit]

Hei sir first you wrote to me that Pashto Wikivoyage has been Approved, but later you marked request as eligible what happened? :)) Khan (talk) 01:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

To make a long story short, I misinterpreted the new rules. Approval by LangCom is automatic after one week only if there are no objections. Since there were objections, there is discussion until someone explicitly calls for a vote. Right now we need to give discussion a chance. A couple of people think the project is too small to approve (and feel they made a mistake approving the Hindi project, too). Be patient and keep creating content. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

So this means that they will not approve Pashto Wikivoyage, I really don't understand what to say sir!. I spent much of my and 3 author's time, I really don't even know where they live but sometimes they are also coming with some information to help Pashto language Wikivoyage. we can't find information about places in our language, I was searching everywhere and checked many sources to find just anything that I could change it to Pashto. I would like to tell you, that Pashto Wikivoyage will be 100% the one and only source to find information about any place in Pashto, (first time I wrote my feelings in Wikimedia) :))) Khan (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

I believe that eventually they will approve the project. But they would like to see more pages of content than you currently have. Look at m:Wikivoyage. Except for Hindi, every approved project has 650 pages or more. If this will be the one and only source of travel info in Pashto, you can surely find more places to write about.
I will continue to work on your approval. But if you can get up to, say, 200 (well-researched) pages, it will be that much easier for me to support you. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:04, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

But do they said, when they will approve this project sir? :))) Khan (talk) 06:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

No, they didn't. They want you to fix up any pages you did not create and that are not good, and they want you to add more pages. They're not really talking about "time" or "when" right now. They're not against the project, and they think you're doing very good work here. They just want to see the project a little more completely developed.
I truly appreciate how disappointed you feel. And I fear that I may have ended up leading you on a little. I have to say that I definitely did not expect the committee to react this way. They have been wanting to see new non-Wikipedia projects created, and your project is bigger than Hindi, as far as it goes.
That having been said, it is very important for you to understand this: Part of what LangCom is trying to make sure about is that the project continues to remain active and to grow after it is approved. What they do not want to see happen, most of all, is for someone to work hard on a project, to get it approved, and then to walk away to do something else—even to create Pashto Wikibooks or Pashto Wikinews. If you looked at the edit that I rolled back, you'll see that I said that it was important for you to continue to create content on this project and not to get distracted. So from my point of view, the job of you and your collaborators is the same whether the project is created now or not: Keep adding pages to Pashto Wikivoyage.
If you keep doing that, this project will be approved and created. Honestly, if simply getting the project approved were more important to you than continuing to build the project, then it would be better if the project were never approved. But I don't think that's true: I think you want to continue to build the project. So continue to build, keep it up. You're definitely doing the right thing. And eventually you will see success.
I am going to continue to talk to LangCom, and will try to see if I can get a target for you to work towards. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

But 30 December you will see 200 pages on Pashto Wikivoyage, promise! Khan (talk) 17:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bloch khan: But they've got to be good pages, not just thrown together! StevenJ81 (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

How is good page for example? :)) Khan (talk) 17:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Bloch khan: I'm not a big expert on Wikivoyage. But I suggest you go to some very-well developed projects like English Wikivoyage, as well perhaps some medium-sized Wikivoyage projects if you speak any of the languages. Take a look at a random group of pages from each one. Each of your pages should have the same level of information and detail as that. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
You are allowed to copy and translate from other projects—just be sure you say you've done that in the edit history or on the talk page. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:06, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
I gave you a little present, at least, that maybe you will enjoy. You may have to bypass your cache to see it. Go to any page in Wy/ps. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Now the project came up to

276 Pages, and after 41 hours I would really like to sleep. Thank you very much, you are really good and helpful person sir:))). Khan (talk) 00:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hei sir did anything happen? is there any chance to get Pashto Wikivoyage? :))) Khan (talk) 01:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Nothing's happened recently. LangCom is generally checked out and on break until after the new year. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:49, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

What you think sir, you think we will get our own wiki? :)) Khan (talk) 01:54, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

You should relax, Khan. Take it easy. Have a vacation.
No, seriously: I think you'll get it. But I've always thought that you would get it. The question is when, which follows from the question of "how many pages do they want to see before they'll say yes?" I have asked for a target. But as I said, everyone's away, and no one is answering right now. If I had to guess: You might get it as early as January. If you keep building the project, you almost definitely will get it by March. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Mamma, thank you so much, I will take free for 3 days, then I will work on project until target, Happy new year to you from now:)))))) Khan (talk) 02:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Sir you don't think it can happen in January?:))) Khan (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Montenegrin Wikipedia[edit]

Dear StevenJ81,,can you protect a beginner page for montenegro incubator? Some of users deletes our page and I would like to help us because you are a administrator.--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 20:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ookuninusi: Show me the history, please. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:20, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: please see link history.--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 20:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ookuninusi: Blocked IP for three days. It's usually better to block bad behavior than to protect a page, because when possible we want to keep pages available to edit as much as possible. Still, if a different user/IP comes back and does the same thing, let me know. Then I probably will protect the page. (I'm anticipating there will be vandalism here, by the way. Do feel free to keep me posted.) StevenJ81 (talk) 19:30, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I would ask you if you can block Freemanmne or to tell him to change a behaviour bcz he deleted our page.

Look. --pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 21:43 , 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: this has crossed all the boundaries! This user Freemanmne not only vandalises the home page, but he also offends me personally! Please, would you be so kind and block him immediately! Look.--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 22:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ookuninusi: The user is blocked for a day. But you need to follow me over to that user's talk page (which the user is still allowed to edit) and we need to have a talk. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: i would ask you just one more thing. Could you possibly convert this: Dobro došli na Crnogorsku Vikipediju, "Izabran članak", "Izabrana slika" i naslov "Portali" into Cyrillic, as is thhe rest of the text?.--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 22:51, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ookuninusi: I restored the version you put back in place after the IP vandal deleted everything for the last time. All of the edit warring since then has been ignored. If it's what you want, fine. If it's not what you want, it's what you have to live with for now. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Here again, the same user link. Protect the page Lovćen.

--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 23:02, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

--MneCuce (talk) 23:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)Dear :::::::::@StevenJ81: please! You need to protect "Montenegrin Wikipedia" from undercover people who claim they are doing it for Montenegro and in fact doing it opposite as these people above. If your administrating work is correct and I know it is please you need to understand the problem here. Montenegrin language ist now recognized as specific language from Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian or Serbo-croatian. It has its specific form, its standard and IOS and CNR as mark. By my IP address or my email you can see from your company that I am not a spam but someone who is trying to help. Why should Montenegrins have they Wikipedia when it will be based as "Serbian Montenegrin Wikipedia" by articles and basically copy from there. Then its better without it because already Serbs lied a lot on their Wikipedia about Montenegrin history, language, state, nation, Montenegrin poets, famous people and all claiming they are Serbs and Montenegro is "true Serbian land" or people as "pure Serbs". Embassy of Montenegro will be familiar with this issue from last several days and about written above and changes that has been made. I hope you will find the way to bring this question of Montenegrin national issue to light. This look now of Montenegrin Wikipedia ist now something that Montenegrins want! We are using latin and cirilic letter ,also ijekavian akcent while Serbian language is cirilic and EKAVIAN, what is similar but very different in phonetic form.

@MneCuce: I'm trying. But all of you are fighting so much it's very hard for me to sort out. Help me out over at I:CP if you can. StevenJ81 (talk) 01:42, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: I have reached an agreement with the Montenegrin editors, that Montenegrin wikipedia should be in Latin. Jack, please let the incubator project proceed again.--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 10:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: what is going on, will the project on the incubator start? The editors have reached an agreement for it to be in latin alphabet, so there won't be any more arguments. Who is lang.com?--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 16:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm in the process of reopening it now. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Library of Congress has posted cnr code on its site--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 00:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
@Ookuninusi: I know. It was actually up last week. I've already updated the article on English Wikipedia, and also the template on ISO 639-2 codes on English Wikipedia. But as I've made really, really clear both here and on Meta;
  • This is an ISO 639-2 code, not an ISO 639-3 code. But it's -3 that counts for our purposes. I expect a -3 code to be approved at SIL's next code release in late January 2018, but it hasn't happened yet.
  • Even if that happens, an ISO 639-3 code doesn't automatically entitle you to a Wikipedia project. If LangCom believes that Montenegrin is actually no different from the rest of Serbo-Croatian, it can still say no. Over on Meta, I opened a second discussion. If you guys want LangCom to say yes, you need to provide some evidence, of one of two types:
    • Concrete evidence (examples, not statements) that Montenegrin POV is not being allowed on Serbian or Serbo-Croatian projects
    • Some hard evidence (maybe of the type that convinced the Library of Congress) that Montenegrin is really different enough to deserve its own projects.
StevenJ81 (talk) 23:16, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: May I get my bot on the Montenegrin project on incubator??--pelivan Gaim.svg (talk) 20:52, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
We tend to discourage bots here. What does yours do? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: hello, how does one get access to participate in the Second Discussion section of the Montenegrin Language proposal? This is my first contribution to wikipedia, so please accept my apology for such a novice question. I feel like time is of the essence on the topic and would rather get right to it as opposed to researching into protocol. Many thanks for any guidance.CG USA (talk) 05:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Category:Wp/nhn/Incubator:Lenguas de México y la Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Steven; I start this notes for understanding more about Languages of Mexico. I would like that you read my note. See you my friend, and Happy new year 2018.--Marrovi (talk) 03:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Happy new year to you, too. But this belongs either on Meta or on a subpage of your user page. Only reason I could put the other bit on a Category page is that there were projects in that category and the narrative was describing them. This doesn't have anything like that, and I don't want you to start recategorizing everything into this category. StevenJ81 (talk) 03:48, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage 5[edit]

Hei sir after much work we have 170 pages. and like you said everyone is busy. Sir if you feel that we will get the project in January then it will be helpful, if no then I don't think we will be able to get this wiki before 2025 because our people work on projects when it's without test like wikipedia. and after four month's of work, if we didn't get this wiki in January so I will quit the hole Wikimedia 100% and if we get then i will take the project to the top:)) so please give me your opinion if you are quite sure that this project will not be approve in January :))))) Khan (talk) 07:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bloch khan: Don't threaten here. We're probably about to approve a project that's been running here 11 years. You're moving at lightning speed, relatively speaking. I know you're young, driven and impatient. But really, Khan? I'd love to see you get approved, and sooner, rather than later. But if January is your deadline, I cannot guarantee that. So then leave now, good bye, and let your project rot here. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

No sir don't get me wrong, I'm just not so happy that langcom didn't said anything about Hindi Wikivoyage, but when we talk about Pashto Wikivoyage then they saying wait or make more contents. Khan (talk) 17:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, LangCom is currently saying "How did we let Hindi Wikivoyage get through?" They're thinking they don't want to make the same mistake twice. JUST BE PATIENT. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
By the way most people look at things, you don't have 170 pages. You have about 142 pages, plus a number of templates and subcategories. But you have only 142 main space pages. I know you worked hard over the break, but that's not going to be quite enough pages to convince the people that think the test is too small. Try to get that up to about 200 main space pages and I'll try again. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much, we will try our best to make it 200 main space pages:))) Khan (talk) 22:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Hei sir after long time I missed you because I had nothing to say to you, but now we have 200 main space pages on Wikivoyage and around 50 template, together we have 250 pages. like you said you will request Wikimedia to accept Pashto Wikivoyage:))) Khan (talk) 01:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Bloch khan: I'm going to have much less time the next month to spend here than I have recently. So please be patient when I don't answer immediately.
LangCom continues to have some concern that you and your team will walk away from the project when it's approved. So they'd like you to keep working a little longer before they say yes. They wouldn't give me a time frame or a number of pages; they simply want to see that this project continues to grow and have activity. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

yes sir alright:)) Khan (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


Hey! I just saw your edit. I appreciate the work you do here, including the archiving. But maybe it would be better to wait a few days, so it is more accessible and everyone can still have the chance read it :) --OWTB (talk) 16:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

  • @Ooswesthoesbes: I usually do. But since that was really just a SD request, I didn't really think I needed to. Still, you're right. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:29, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Block request[edit]

Hi sir can you please check this user's contributinos? I think he should be blocked for these reasons:

  1. Vandalism.
  2. Redirecting pages from a test wiki (wp/tzm) to another (wp/zgh), for example he redirected this page wp/tzm/ⵊⵙⴽ to this one wp/zgh/ⵜⵓⵜⵍⴰⵢⵜ ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵜ
  3. Copy and paste from other test wikies.
  4. Language mistakes...

Brahim-essaidi (talk) 03:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Have you tried talking to him? --MF-W {a, b} 10:09, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
@Brahim-essaidi: I agree that would be the most productive approach, since you speak the language and we don't.
Please note that:
  • For vandalism, I'd want to see specific diffs, and since I don't understand the language, you'd have to tell me what the vandalism is.
  • For the next two, the issues are a little trickier. Content copied from one test to another is permissible (and sometimes even to be encouraged), although attribution needs to be made in the edit history or on the talk page. As for cross-test redirects, I note that the original content of the redirection page was pretty trivial. If the user who made the redirect thought that the target of the redirect was more complete, and if speakers of the initial language also understand the target language, it wasn't a terrible thing to do. That said, the better thing to do would have been to import the target page to the location of the redirect, with attribution, so that it appears in both tests.
  • For language mistakes, it's better if you correct them yourself.
I must say that I do not fully understand exactly what the difference is between zgh and tzm, thus further complicating matters.
Finally, please see your own talk page; separately, I'd like to ask a favor of you. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Steven, sorry for being late.

  • I think this is an example of vandalism in this page: Wp/zgh/ⴰⴳⴰⴷⵉⵔ
  • About cross-test redirects, I think it should not be in this case, because the content of original page was about a football club in Algeria (ⵊⵙⴽ/JSK). And the content of the target of redirect is about Tamazight/Berber language.

The difference between tzm and zgh is:

  1. Tzm is the Tamazight/Berber language spoken in Central Atlas of Morocco. See Central Atlas Tamazight
  2. Zgh; in this test wiki, we use the Standard Moroccan Tamazight.

For more information please see also Berber languages and Languages of Morocco.

  • I see your message on my Talk, and I'm going to check the wp/br test, then I reply as soon as possible.

Brahim-essaidi (talk) 20:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

I take your point on the cross-test redirects and the like. The user has been disruptive in other ways. I will block temporarily, until I have time to sort through the user's edits.
  • What is the vandalism on this page: Wp/zgh/ⴰⴳⴰⴷⵉⵔ? I can't read it; I don't know what the vandalism is.
  • I know what tzm is supposed to be, and what zgh is supposed to be. I guess my question was: How different are those two in reality? If I had a medium length page correctly written in both languages, would they be completely different? 50% different? 10% different?
Thanks for looking at the ber test. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:55, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, @Brahim-essaidi, I have blocked that user for one week, to give me time to sort this out. Please watch and make sure that a new user or IP user do not come and do the same kind of thing. It will take me a couple of days to sort all of this out. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank You Steven, I'll take some time this week too, to correct his language mistakes.

  • Vandalism in wp/zgh/ⴰⴳⴰⴷⵉⵔ is that he changed Template:wp/zgh/ⵜⴰⴼⵍⵓⵖⵎⵉⵙⵜ ⵜⴰⵎⴷⵉⵏⵜ (in English: Template:Infobox city) by this one he created recently.
  • Concerning the difference between tzm and zgh please note that in Morocco we can classify three main Berber language varieties; Rif, Tzm and Shi. I can't give you a specific percentage of difference, but I can tell you that there is a small difference between them in pronunciation and vocabulary. So, the linguists in the Royal Institute of the Amazigh Culture work on these varieties to improve and unify them in the standard Morocan Berber/Tamazight language for educational system. And the articles in test wiki wp/zgh are supposed to be written in the standard Morocan Tamazight.

Brahim-essaidi (talk) 01:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Brahim-essaidi: So here's my issue for you.
Look at the user's comment on his own talk page. He is essentially presuming that "we in Morocco" want Wikipedia to be in Standard Amazigh, not in dialects. So he is moving content from the other projects to "Standard."
  • I'll say right up front that the user did not have the right to do what he did without community permission. He would be allowed to copy information, but not to move it. And that's a problem.
  • Still, at a certain point, if any of these projects ever gets to the point where it would be big enough and active enough to approve, LangCom may eventually start asking if it should approve only one project (in "Standard") or several (because they're different enough from each other).
  • And on another level, there's a good question as to whether or not the community shouldn't focus resources and efforts on a single project and push it through toward an eventual approval, as opposed to having all of the projects open and running. And at this point, for a variety of reasons, the "Standard" project is probably the best candidate to be the focus project. So while that user's unilateral activity was not appropriate, it's possible that the ultimate goal is the appropriate one. Why don't you try to discuss that with the user, and then perhaps create a community discussion to take a decision forward. Consider using Category talk:Incubator:Test wikis/Berber-Amazigh tests as a place to discuss it. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:40, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank You Steven. I just read the user's comments and yours too on his own talk page and I agree with all your points.

Brahim-essaidi (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

baluchi test[edit]

Hello Dear StevenJ81
I do not know baluchi language has how many branch. you must sak to ebrahim and sultan salim. I'm so sorry.Mogoeilor (talk) 18:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Mogoeilor: Thanks for getting back to me anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)


Sorry for late reply: I usually don’t check pings, and never use inter-wiki pings (because it’s always +99). Please leave a notice on talk page in the future ;) — regards, Revi 18:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Azerbaijani Wikivoyage[edit]

Hello. I want seriously work on Azerbaijani Wikivoyage. But please tell me what is minimum requirements for approval project for new site? --Drabdullayev17 (talk) 11:24, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@Drabdullayev17: We're glad to have you. Welcome.
I can't give you a fixed number of pages that is required for approval. Most of the requirements have more to do with making sure that an active community exists. We are most concerned that if a project is approved, a community will continue to keep it active and growing. We don't want to see a project created and then abandoned. And that's especially true for a project like Wikivoyage, where travel information details can change so often.
  • First, see m:LPP for the general requirements for project approval.
  • An "active test project" means at least that the project has contributions from at least three registered users each month, and that each of those three registered users makes at least ten edits during the month. And that level of activity must continue on for as long as it takes to get the project to approval.
  • Other than Hindi Wikivoyage, no approved Wikivoyage project has fewer than about 650 pages. I can't say that you must have that many pages for approval, but you should assume that LangCom is not interested in approving a project very much smaller than that. Also, assume that the majority of those pages need to be well-developed, not stubs and outlines.
  • You'll need to continue to work on interface translation at translatewiki.net.
  • Finally, make sure you're working on the right project: Wy/az is "Azerbaijani Wikivoyage", while Wy/azb is "South Azerbaijani Wikivoyage".
Good luck, and welcome. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Guianan Wikipedia[edit]

HI, excuse me, but do you know if something has changed about the Guianan Wikipedia because i don't know what to do, I still wait but nothing changes, maybe they just forgot me !!! LeGuyanaisPure (talk) 15:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@LeGuyanaisPure: Who forgot you? Language Committee? You're not ready for approval yet.
  • You still need to have three registered editors with ten edits each every single month. And really, this is still too much of a one-man project: you need to have other people making more of the contributions.
  • You need to go to translatewiki.net and get them to activate gcr as a language. Then you need to translate the entire "MediaWiki most used messages" group, as well as other messages within "MediaWiki core messages" up to 13% of the total messages in that group.
  • Only after both of those things happen will this project be ready to consider for approval. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Commons & WP/cnr again[edit]

Several news possibly of some interest for you. Note:

  1. Very likely an uneducated user from your wiki;
  2. An overzealous operator from our wiki deleting even obvious PD-old-100, but I already took care of this.

Regards, Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
WM Commons is very effective in watching copyright violations, but the site has a huge hysteresis. First sysops allowed Zanović to upload several dozens dubious portraits instead of blocking him promptly in the beginning, as I suggested. Then they blocked him indefinitely and now wipe out all Montenegrin uploads indiscriminately. Can you do something to educate the test people about intellectual property? First of all that they may not use {{own}} label for things borrowed or scanned. Now I can’t fend off deletions of even obviously uncopyrighted stuff (on risible pretexts such as “the text was scanned from a modern book”), after all these copyvio rampages. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 08:52, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm away for a few days, so I don't know how fast I can do all this. But I'll try. StevenJ81 (talk) 10:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
@Incnis Mrsi: This stuff is all being addressed in an orderly fashion now, right? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:35, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

reversion of some pages.[edit]

Hi Steven here [1] are some pages have been redirected or moved from test wiki wp/tzm to wp/zgh. Can you please revers them back. Brahim-essaidi (talk) 23:16, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm away for a few days, and on-wiki a little less often than usual. I'll try to keep on this, but it might take a few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
@Brahim-essaidi: Did I miss any? (Alternatively, you can do this yourself when your TA request passes. And I think I'll give you Wp/tzm also, just to take care of things like this.) StevenJ81 (talk) 15:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Steven, you missed tow (recently created) pages wp/tzm/ⴰⵙⵉⴼ ⵏ ⵉⵊⴷⴷⵉⴳⵏ and wp/tzm/ⵢⵓⵙⵓⴼ ⴰⵍⵇⴰⵔⴰⴹⴰⵡⵉ. Brahim-essaidi (talk) 19:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Pashto Wikivoyage 6[edit]

Hei sir I have used sosial media to talk to people about the Wikivoyage project, and many people promised me that they will not let projects alone, but they said: with many codes and other things we can't work on project, so please talk with langcom to approve our wiki, and if there was no activity they can close it back:))) Khan (talk) 20:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


Please move Wb/wuu/MediaWiki:Mobile.css to MediaWiki:Wb/wuu/Mobile.css. --清和居士 (talk) 10:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC) 清和居士 (talk) 10:41, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

@清和居士: Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you!--清和居士 (talk) 12:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Maybe I’m being too cynical but could you have a look at this user page? They have listed lots of related words that seem to suggest keywords for search engines but I might be wrong. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 00:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Obviously spam. --MF-W {a, b} 13:29, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
@Green Giant, MF-Warburg: Deleted both on Incubator and Meta. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:21, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 15:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC)


Hei sir is there anything else that langcom want us to do for Approving Wy/ps? thank you:)) Khan (talk) 09:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Keep working on the project. Keep creating content. Don't sit and wait. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Nahua languages[edit]

Hi Steven; this list is for foreing people; Wp/nch/Uikipedia:Nahuatl languages/List of words, Mexican people students understand about Nahua languages and indigenous Mexican languages; Central Nahuatl and Huastec Nahuatl have got diferent ortography. See you next time.--Marrovi (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

PageFromFile in Incubator Project[edit]

Hi, I am working on dty Wiktionary and to increase the number of article (words) I am planning for importing pages from file (using pywikibot), currently I am importing pages to ne Wiktionary. Is it possible to create and import pages to incubator project?--Nirajan pant (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)