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Hello StevenJ81 and Welcome to Wikimedia Incubator!

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m:Structured Wikiquote[edit]

How is your experience seeing the demo there? I get "insecure connection".--Jusjih (talk) 02:32, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jusjih: That's what I saw, and when I overrode that warning, I got a 502 Bad Gateway. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much for your answer. Then Structured Wikiquote does not even work.--Jusjih (talk) 02:40, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
m:Wikidata/Development/Wikiquote seems to be a much better idea to collect multilingual quotes. Hopefully it will be successful. Then I would like to close out Wq/mul and give up my importing right at that time, not now yet. Thanks for past supports.--Jusjih (talk) 01:16, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Tacawit wt as a independent project from the incubator ?[edit]

Good Day Steven, I have a question about a new project of the Tacawit WT. The project exists in the incubator since May 2018, and we have 1500 words in the Wiktionary. the three last months we had 5 users that had more than 10 contributions per month. And we do 4 presentations about incubators projects in the Wikis conferences. Wikimania 2018 Cape town by Emna and by Ahmed Houamel, Wiki Conference in Saint Petersburg Russia 2018 by Me (as example), WikiIndaba 2018 Tunisia (as example) and WikiConvention francophone (as example). And Soon we will have a MOOC for this project.

We have done a lot for this project and we will do even more. The question is, have we a chance to see this project independently from the incubator soon? if not what can we do for that?

Thank you in advance--Reda Kerbouche (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

I'll have a look in the next couple of days. Do check the interface translation at translatewiki.net in the meantime. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reda Kerbouche: Just a quick question here: Is the policy of the project going to be that only shy-Latn will be allowed, or do you eventually expect to allow shy-Arab and shy-Tfng? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
The project is only for the Shy-latn because of this script is the official one in Algeria. Maybe in the future (10 years), we will add in shy-tfng if it will be a second official script. For shy-Arab it will never be taken since there is no source in Tacawit with arab script.--Reda Kerbouche (talk) 16:40, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reda Kerbouche, Amire80: Fine. Good enough.
Amir, I think this project is about ready to go to LangCom. Only thing is that its translations haven't been downloaded from translatewiki to WMF yet. The reason, I think, is that the translations are all coded over there as shy-Latn, instead of just plain "shy". Can you help us fix that? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
@Reda Kerbouche: I'm going to go ahead and put this in front of LangCom. Please keep in mind the following:
  • Like all first-projects-in-language, this will require language verification. Please be prepared to name an academic or professional linguist—preferably one without strong ties to your test—whom LangCom can consult if it can find no expert on its own.
  • We're going to have to resolve the fact that the translations are living at shy-Latn and not shy. I don't think that's difficult, but it's just an extra complication.
  • Would you want the fallback language to be French? Arabic? English? something else?
  • There are three already-approved projects ahead of you at phabricator (Wt/yue, Wn/li, Wp/shn). There are two other projects that are effectively approved, pending only language verification (Wp/hyw—but much content for that will come from hy:—and Wp/skr). So it may take a while to get you up to the point of project creation. Just please be patient. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I will wait for, no problem and I will prepare all that you write to me here. We will use the fallback language in French--Reda Kerbouche (talk) 09:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Wt/diq wy/diq[edit]

We want to open these project. Okey, I accept, we are only two-three user. We are not perfect but our work remains inconclusive. Xorasan (talk) 09:55, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

@Xorasan: There is a specific rule about this: there must be three registered users each making ten edits per month over three consecutive months. The purpose of this rule is to ensure that there is really a community supporting a project, and that a project is not just the work of one or two people. So if you really want to open these projects, please meet that requirement. (And even better: see if you can get additional contributors from the Wikipedia community to participate.)
Additionally: you need to continue to make progress on translating the interface at translatewiki.net. (See translatewiki:Special:LanguageStats/diq.) In particular, I would request that you and team do the following:
  • Fix or confirm the five messages marked "outdated" in the "MediaWiki (most important messages)" group
  • Try to do at least another 200–300 of the untranslated messages in the "MediaWiki core" group
Thank you for your interest and your hard work here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


Hi Steven. I know it has to be in Maa language, sorry for that. I don't have a knowledge on the language but I am orienting a couple of Tanzanian and Kenyan collaborators that are interested in the project. The issue with them is, they are not familiar with the interface of Incubator. If it is possible, I would ask for some time - it just takes time to get all terms translated. But I am not sure if I have broken some rules, please let me know. Thanks.--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 06:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Wp/avk, typographie[edit]

Steven bonjour.

Pour Wp/avk. En matière de typographie, les règles du Kotava sont que les signes comme les parenthèses (), les crochets [], les accolades {}, les tildes d'insertion ~~ ou les guillemets «» sont toujours accompagnés d'une espace avant et après, avec une espace insécable après pour les signes ouvrants ( xx , [ xx , { xx, ~ xx, « xx, et une espace insécable avant pour les signes fermants xx ), xx ], xx }, xx ~, xx ».

Pour respecter normalement cela, je suis obligé dans les articles de noter systématiquement avec & nbsp ; ( xx , [ xx , { xx, « xx, et xx ), xx ], xx }, xx » pour que la mise en paragraphe ne sépare pas les éléments. Est-ce qu'il n'existerait pas une méthode très simple, et légère pour le moteur (une sorte de directive de préprocesseur) qui permettrait de traiter automatiquement cela, tout en gardant "clair" le texte des articles.

Mes excuses par avance si ma question devrait plutôt être adressée à quelqu'un d'autre. Axel xadolik (talk) 10:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Axel xadolik: Je ne suis pas sûr.
Il est possible créer des modèles, certainement, comme {{Wp/avk/( }} = ( , etc. Ce ne sera pas si utile sur l'Incubateur per se (car les préfixes), mais probablement satisfaisant si vous allez créer un wiki.
Je suggère que tu demandes à Phabricator s'il soit possible (techniquement) intégrer cette idée dans la typographie des pages avec le LangCode avk. Si ça peut se passer, toutes les pages en Kotava – ici, ou n'importe où – seront correctes. Mais je ne sais pas si ce soit possible. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Merci Steven. Je vais attendre pour l'instant, cela n'est pas le plus important. On regardera plus tard cette question. Axel xadolik (talk) 17:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

AVK : Idée de page générale pour les pays[edit]

Bonjour. Je voudrais ton avis, voir ici : User_talk:Axel_xadolik/Weslara_Tanzania. Merci. Axel xadolik (talk) 10:14, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Test adminship[edit]

Hi Steven. I requested the test adminship at wt/min back in October, and you said it would be untimely before it has 45 to 50 articles. Considering the recent growth, would you please reconsider my request? Thank you! Muhraz (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Please make a new request at I:RFTA. I expect that it will be successful. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:38, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

How see a filtered chart of articles for AVK[edit]

Hello Steven. Where I can find the function to see the pages weight-ordered for Kotava? By the function "long pages" of the special pages, it's global to all the wikis hosted in Incubator, and I don't understand how filter it. The number of pages in the AVK main namepage is now 800, and I would able to appreciate the proportion of stubs, the distributive chart of the whole of pages, etc. Could you indicate me how do this? Regards, thanks. --Axel xadolik (talk) 11:19, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Do I should get test adminship rights to dispose of such tools? The AVK wiki works well, with 6 active users and many interesting contents, but I would want to have a precise chart of this. Thanks. --Axel xadolik (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
@Axel xadolik: If such tools exist, I don't know about them or how to use them. (If I really needed to do that, I'd probably download the page names one page at a time to Excel and then filter.) If you see such a tool around here, by all means let me know. Otherwise, go to m:Tech and ask someone there for help.
PS #1: That use of "dispose of" either does not exist at all in English or is obscure/obsolete, though you created it from good French. I'd recommend "... to gain access to such tools" or something like that.
PS #2: If you submit a request to be test-admin at I:RFTA around 15 January, I would be in favor of your candidacy. But it won't help you with this question.
StevenJ81 (talk) 19:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thank you Steven, and I am very sorry for my approximate English (without automatic translator). I asked you because WP has developed many tools quite unknown for a beginner, and I thought that maybe... And if I discover such ones, I'll transmit you the information, sure.
I thought wait a moment to submit a request for the test-adminship, and I'll do it. But I have just seen that someone I don't know, has requested at Meta for eligibility of Kotava. I hope that this request is not too early. Regards. --Axel xadolik (talk) 07:13, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
@Axel xadolik: Formally, it's not too early. In practice, there are LangCom members who are fairly hostile to any but the most well-developed ConLangs. I managed the process very carefully to get Elefen approved, and at that it wouldn't have happened but that there was a Facebook group with 900 members in it. I'm really afraid that the speaker group for Kotava is too small to be of interest to those members of LangCom for now. What I will probably end up doing is putting this on hold for a while to let it mature, possibly then reject it for the time being, but then let it stay on Incubator under less strict rules. But we'll see. I'm leaving it alone for the moment. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:06, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you @StevenJ81: for this clarification and your impression.
As I said, what is important for me and all kotavusik, it's the content, the encyclopaedic (and linguistic) quality of the articles. There is no urgency to be officially on Wikipedia, Incubator is already very good, if there is not risk of being roughly removed and all the work done would be lost.
In my idea, I'd like to get at least 2500 articles (and many with a real content) before thinking about going through the official step, it might take one year.
The Kotava community is small, it's true, and it is not very buzzing on famous social networks. Since 12 years a public forum exists and works, but also a totally private portal through which many things happen and are driven (just a small skylight, encyclopedia theme: [1] ).
Lingua Franca Nova is a beautiful project, managed and developed intelligently. Its Facebook group may have 960 members, but that does not mean much in the absolute. Since it's a "Latin-roman" language, many people think that it's easy and fancy taking a short interest and peck a little, but few really invest themselves in it. Actually, when I look at the activity on lfn.wp ( [2] ), I see that the big majority of articles are written and inserted by the creator of the language (George Boeree), in the fields of languages or medicine. There are not many other contributors.
For Kotava, her creator Steren Fetcey does not get involved in broadcast actions or on internet. She looks at things from afar and focuses on the translation of works (her last, the translation of the famous Quebec novel "Maria Chapdelaine", which does not even exist in Esperanto translation for instance!). Given the nature of Kotava resolutely aprioristic, learning it requires more willpower and perseverance than for LFN or Interlingua.
I have already succeeded to interest two experienced kotavusik, a specialist in prehistory (Angelalux) and a teacher of literature (Seramikya). If the project goes well, I'll be able to convince others to contribute too, I think.
Regards. --Axel xadolik (talk) 10:23, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Category move[edit]

Hi! :) Would you be able - or know someone who is - to use a bot to change the pages in this cat to this cat? My bot doesn't seem to work the way it should, because it doesn't want to log on. --OWTB (talk) 16:44, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: You should be able to do it with Cat-A-Lot pretty easily. Do you use it? StevenJ81 (talk) 18:38, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
To be honest, I haven't even ever heard of it... --OWTB (talk) 12:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Info available at c:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot. Very worthwhile. Meantime, I'll take care of this. Can you temporarily flag my account on n:li: as a bot (or flooder), or alternatively, do you care that it's going to bomb your Recent Changes log? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:34, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not a bureaucrat, so I can't do that. I won't mind you flooding the RC, as it is not going to exceed the 500 changes (category is too small). --OWTB (talk) 14:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done (but please check) StevenJ81 (talk) 15:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that's perfect! Thank you very much :) --OWTB (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I'll see if I can figure out how it works too. --OWTB (talk) 16:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I missed your email address[edit]

I missed your email address, please email me your email address here rachitrali@yahoo.com thanks --RAChitrali 07:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


Shalom. The pages on Wb/jam and Wt/jam to be deleted are the ones that are not completed and that nobody is going to edit. We are just trying to focus on a few but quality ones. --Katxis (talk) 18:55, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

bqi wiki incubator[edit]

Hello Dear StevenJ81
please see the bqi test wiki incubator and it's articles is there any problem to making this wiki.
best wishes.Mogoeilor (talk) 13:00, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


At Incubator:Community Portal#Wp/frs you said It is legitimate to start a test.

Is that really the official LangCom position? A project that got rejected because of inactivity can be re-opened, yes (Category:Incubator:Test wikis/open-but-rejected‎), but a project that already got rejected for fundamental reasons (meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia East Frisian Low Saxon) can be too? What's the reason for that? Does that mean any rejected project can re-open a test? Why was the content of Wp/frs deleted after the rejection when re-opening was always an option? --::Slomox:: >< 15:42, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

@Slomox: Three things:
  1. Mainly, there wasn't any real content in Wp/frs, so we decided that deleting the couple of very nominal pages there would be a cleaner approach.
  2. Yes, the previous request was rejected for fundamental reasons. But there was also very little comment by LangCom at the time. I'd rather let the other person take his shot, then have LangCom (likely) reject the request. Then either (a) his content will be merged into nds wiki, or (b) he will pick up and move somewhere else (like Incubator Plus). The very fact that he is citing pseudo-political arguments there will hurt his chances for approval in the long run.
  3. LangCom does not actually control Incubator. Rules here are easier than rules for a full project approval; in general projects with legitimate language codes are allowed to stay. (In particular, there are a number of ancient/historical language projects in open-but-rejected that are allowed to stay here.) In practice, we still prohibit some tests that will never see the light of day (especially fictional language tests like Klingon or Tolkien languages). But this one probably needs to be allowed to stay for now. Don't worry. I am watching it. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay, fair enough. Thank you. --::Slomox:: >< 16:10, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


Hi, please revert Unjal's editsBukhariSaeed (talk) 05:18, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

A chart of WP projects in Incubator with number of articles for each[edit]

Hello Steven. I created a small personal chart to get a quick idea of the importance of the other WP projects hosted in the incubator. You can find it here: User:Axel_xadolik/Incubator_wikis.

I think that might be interesting in a more general way. The "Number of Articles" column is a simple function that works in real time and is easy to put into a template. Regards. --Axel xadolik (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

It's interesting in certain respects, yes. Thank you. I do want to bring your attention to a couple of points you'll need to remember as you look at this.
  1. This chart is only as good as projects are at categorizing all their pages into their root categories (e.g., [[Category:Wp/avk]]) as well as any subcategories, because that function does not count articles that are only in subcategories.
  2. This chart says nothing about article quality; one can have several hundred three-line subs (sub-stubs?), but that doesn't mean that one's project is closer to approval.
  3. In the end, project approvals depend at least as much on participation as on size.
  4. This chart is not going to make it easier for you to overcome LangCom's hesitation on conlangs.
All that said, this is interesting and useful. Thank you. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 19 February 2019 (UTC)