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Zazaca wikisözlük- Zazaca wikivoyage ve diğerleri[edit]

Merhaba, İngilizce bilmediğim için çok özür dilerim. Bir kaç ay önce Xorasan proje teklifi ile geldi. Wikipedia projelerine uzak birisi olarak, gösterildiği şekilde katkı sağlıyorum ama projeler için belirli bir standart prosedür yok. Örneğin ;

  1. En az 3 kullanıcı istiyorlar, kimisi az kimisi çok katkı yapıyor. Diğer dil projelerinde de iki-üç ay katkı yaptıktan sonra çoğu kullanıcı incubator'dan çekiliyor. İş veya sağlık dolayısıyla çekilenlerde var. (ben de 15 nisandan sonra bu projede aktif olamayacağım)
  2. En az 3 ay katkı istiyorlar ama belirli bir süre sınırı da yok. Yani proje 100 gün de sürebilir 1000 gün de sürse açılmayabilir. Avrupa dil projeleri olduğu zaman açılması daha kısa sürüyor ama iş Amerika, Afrika ve Asya kıtalarındaki dillere geldiği zaman bu süre çok uzuyor.
  3. Translatewiki.net çevirileri var. Ben orayı hiç bilmiyorum. Sanırım projelerin dil sürümleri ile alakalı olması lazım. Yeni açılacak wikilerde dil versiyonlarının hazır olunması isteniyor. Zazaca Wikipedia 10 yıldan fazla bir zamandır aktif ama çoğu MediaWiki mesajı hala İngilizce.
  4. Yukarıda belirtilen hususlar sadece zaza dilinde değil, diğer dil projelerinde de olan sorunlardır.

Sizlerden ricam belirli şartlar olsun ama çelişki de içermesin. Mesela;

  • proje için 5 ay isteyin. 5 ay dolunca proje açılsın.
  • proje için 5 kullanıcı gerekliyse 5 kullanıcıyı belirtin.
  • Bir yerde hata varsa söyleyin, kullanıcılar düzeltmeye çalışsınlar. Gözlemlediğim kadarıyla insanlar belirli bir süre katkı yaptıktan sonra projenin açılmasına dair umudunu kaybetip çekiliyorlar. Sizlerden ricam İnsanların umudunu söndürmeyin. Buderan (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Google translation from Turkish:

Hi, I'm so sorry I didn't speak English. A few months ago Xorasan came up with a project proposal. As a distant person to Wikipedia projects, I contribute as shown, but there is no specific standard procedure for projects. For example ;

  1. They want at least 3 users, some people do little. After two to three months of contribution to other language projects, most users withdraw from the incubator. There are those who are withdrawn because of work or health. (I will not be active in this project after 15 April)
  2. They want a contribution for at least 3 months, but there is no time limit. So the project may last 100 days and may not open for 1000 days. When it comes to European language projects, it takes a shorter opening time, but when it comes to languages in the Americas, Africa and Asia, this is a long time.
  3. Translatewiki.net translations I don't know about this place. I think the projects should be relevant to the language versions. Wikis to be opened in new language versions are required to be prepared. Zazaki Wikipedia has been active for over 10 years but most MediaWiki messages are still in English.

The above-mentioned issues are not only in the zaza language, but also in other language projects. I ask you to have certain conditions, but do not include contradiction. E.g;

  • Ask the project for 5 months. Open the project after 5 months.
  • If 5 users are required for the project, specify 5 users.
  • If there is an error, tell them to try to fix them. As far as I observe, people lose their hope of opening the project after contributing for a certain period of time. I ask you do not extinguish people's hope. Buderan (talk) 19:26, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Translation placed by StevenJ81 (talk) 13:50, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
@Buderan: I really understand your frustration. Some of the things you write about we are trying to change. Some are in place for a good reason. Let me try to explain some things.
  1. The first reason to need three regular users for at least three months is because we do not want to create a new project, and then have it sit there with no one working on it. Three users for at least three months is the best way we know (so far) of making sure the project stays active once it is opened.
    • We are now trying very hard to make sure that if a project is active for three months it gets approved, and that it doesn't sit for "1000 days" waiting to be approved.
  2. The other reason to need three regular users is so that no project gets approved that is the work of only one person.
  3. There is a project underway at Wikimedia to make Incubator projects easier. It's not so simple, but we're really trying.
  4. Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia is an old project that existed before the rules for translatewiki.net existed. At this point, Zazaki (Dimli) has enough translated at translatewiki.net that this will not get in the way of project approvals.
If you have any questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) (administrator) 14:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Sizi anlıyorum. Sizler de bizi anlayın lütfen. Her internet sitesinin şartları vardır. Sizin bile yönetici seçilmeniz için şartlar oluşturuldu. Siz şartları sağladığınız için seçildiniz. incubator projesinde de bazı şartlar var.

  1. Minimum 10 değişiklik istiyorsunuz. Pekala benim yapacağım katkının 10 veya 100 olması sizin için bir şey ifade ediyor mu?
  2. diq.wikipedia.org için Türkiye'den erişim sağlanamıyor. Avrupa'da ikamet eden kullanıcılar için şu an açık. İstesek bile diq.wikipedia.org için katkı yapamıyoruz. Diğer zazaca projeler yıllardır incubator.wikimedia.org adresinde bekliyor. Kukla kullanıcılar problemi var. Biz şimdilik 2 kişiyiz. @Azminwan denen kullanıcıyı tanımıyoruz. Giç bir kullanıcı için size garanti veremeyiz. Eğer siz, 3 kullanıcı proje için yeterli değil, minimum 5 kullanıcı istiyoruz diyorsanız. Kusura bakmayın, ben yaratıcı (God, Allah, Yahova, Buda veya başka bir ilah) değilim. Size fazladan 2-3 kullanıcı yaratamam. Belki yarın ben de ölürüm. Kendim için bile garanti veremem.
  3. Türkiye'de dil yasakları 2000'li yıllara kadar devam etti. Şu anda 2 üniversitede departman açılmıştır. Wiktionary projesini üniversitelerden mezun olacak öğretmenlerimiz için açmak istiyoruz. Yola çıktığımız zaman zazaca eser makale ve dergiler için bir depo ihtiyacımız var. Wikisource.org depolama alanı olsun diye uğraşıyoruz. Ülkemizde Türkçe ve kürtçe için wikisource.org alan adı var. Bizim neden wikisource.org adresimiz olmasın diye, yola çıktık.
  4. Sizin için buradaki kodlar, diller, kullanıcılar, kelimeler sadece rakamlardanvya sadece istatistiklerden ibaret olabilir ama bizim için sayılardan, rakamlardan, istatistiklerden fazlası var. Buderan (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Google translation from Turkish:

I understand you. You guys understand us too, please. Each website has its terms. The conditions were created for you to be an administrator. You have been selected for the conditions. There are some conditions in the incubator project.

  1. You want a minimum of 10 changes. So does it make any sense for you to have a 10 or 100 contribution?
  2. Unable to access from Turkey to diq.wikipedia.org. It is currently open for users residing in Europe. We can't even contribute to diq.wikipedia.org if we want to. Other zazaki projects have been waiting for years at incubator.wikimedia.org. Puppet users have problems. We're 2 now. We do not recognize the user named @Aminmin. We cannot guarantee you for a user. If you are saying, 3 users are not enough for the project, we want a minimum of 5 users. I'm sorry, I'm not creative (God, God, God, Buddha or some other god). I can't create you extra 2-3 users. Maybe tomorrow I'il die too. I can't even guarantee for myself.
  3. the language was forbidden in Turkey continued until the 2000s. Currently 2 departments have been opened. We would like to open the Wiktionary project for our graduates who will graduate from universities. When we hit the road, we need a warehouse for work articles and magazines. Wikisource.org storage area, we're dealing with. Our country has wikisource.org domain name for Turkish and Kurdish. We weren't our wikisource.org address, so we set off.
  4. For you, codes, languages, users, words can only be numbers and statistics, but there are more than numbers, numbers, statistics. Buderan (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Translation placed by StevenJ81 (talk) 14:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
@Buderan:
  1. Turkey blocks *.wikipedia.org domains; we can't directly change that. I don't think that applies to Incubator or other non-Wikipedia domain names.
  2. It does not matter so much if you know @Azminwan. What matters is whether that person's contributions are productive.
    • If they are, the Zazaki/Dimli Wiktionary and Wikivoyage projects would now be eligible for approval, and next week I can put them before LangCom for approval.
    • If that user's contributions are not productive—and I see that the user is indefinitely blocked on Zazaki/Dimli Wikipedia—then we need a third user. (That would probably also mean that you would have a lot to clean up in these two tests before we could consider approving.)
You tell me whether that user's contributions are productive in these projects. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Öncelikle cevap verdiğiniz için çok teşekkür ederim.
  • Google translate %100 doğru çeviri yapmasa da söylemek istediğinizi az çok anladım.
  1. Wikipedia dışındaki sitelere erişebiliyoruz.
  2. @Azminwan kullanıcısını tanımıyoruz, dünyada 1 milyon zaza insanı yaşıyor, hepsini tanımamız mümkün değil :) wiktionary ve wikivoyage üzerinde yaptığı katkılar var. Kullandığı dialekti farklı olsa da anlaşılıyor. Eğer bir yerde hata yapsa da düzeltebiliriz.
  1. Langcom bildirilmesi için bir problem kalmadı. (siz başka dillerde olan projeleri bile aynı yere bildirebilirsiniz, çünkü pek çok dilde kullanıcılar katkı yapıyor)
  1. üçüncü bir kullanıcı şimdilik zor ama projeler açıldıktan sonra dil bilimcilerden destek almamız gerekecek. Çünkü wiktionary projesinde her sayfa için kaynak eklememiz gerekiyor. Bunu yapmamız için zazaca kitap ve sözlük yazarlarıyla irtibata geçiyoruz. Buderan (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
  • First of all, thank you so much for answering.
  • Although Google does not translate 100% accurate, I understand that you want to say more.
  1. We have access to sites other than Wikipedia.
  2. We do not know @Azminwan, we live 1 million zaza people in the world, we can not recognize them all :) wiktionary and wikivoyage have contributions on it. The dialect that he uses can be understood to be different. If we make a mistake, we can fix it.
  3. There is no problem for Langcom. (you can even report projects in other languages, because in many languages users are contributing)
  4. a third user is difficult at the moment, but after the projects are opened we will need to get support from linguists. Because we need to add resources for each page in the wiktionary project. In order to do this, we are contacting zazaki book and dictionary authors. Buderan (talk) 08:01, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Translation placed by Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 23:40, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, MF-Warburg, Koavf, Jon Harald Søby: Zahmet edip Google translate' den çeviri yapılmış ama gerek yok. Mart ayından beri bir cevap bile verilmemiş. Görevinizden istifa etseniz çok güzel olacak Buderan (talk) 20:35, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Buderan: Hangi işi yapmıyorum? —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Purpose of the category[edit]

I would like to know the purpose of the category Category:Maintenance:Pages using deprecated templates. I mean the method to solve that issue. Adithyak1997 (talk) 16:52, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Well...in theory, its purpose is exactly what it says: it contains pages using templates that are deprecated. In practice, the only such template currently feeding the category is {{Test language}}. In the days before we had {{Test wiki}} available in order to create info pages for tests, the main category page for each test was supposed to be built with this template. It provided some information on the test, and placed the test category as a subcategory of Category:Incubator:All test wikis.
That template became deprecated when we started using {{Test wiki}} and info pages. But it's only deprecated in the sense that it's no longer "required". We now require an info page using {{Test wiki}}. But when people stopped using {{Test language}}, tests were no longer automatically being put into Category:Incubator:All test wikis. That's why I created {{Root category template}}—so that at least that functionality would be retained.
All that having been said, though, there's really nothing wrong with {{Test language}} (except that it renders oddly on pages of RTL tests, something I really ought to fix). And there's no reason to remove it from the many pages where it already exists. And it's not even so terrible if someone wants to put it on a root category page, as long as there is also an info page. So, to be honest, I'm inclined to remove the categorization to there from {{Test language}}. That should empty the category rapidly. (The documentation on the template will still read "Deprecated template", but since there is no need to remove the template from the many pages where it exists, there's no need for the pages to be in a maintenance category.)
Thoughts, anyone? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
OK. I updated this. When creating a root category page for a new test, the preferred approach is to use {{subst:Root category template}}. {{Test language}} is still allowed, though not preferred. It does not need to be removed from pages where it already exists. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
...and as a follow-up, that category is now empty. However, the category page should remain in place, as it is a maintenance category. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Сколько страниц должно быть в пробной вики,чтобы её запустили?[edit]

Сколько страниц должно быть в пробной вики,чтобы её запустилиМожет быть есть какая-нибудь страница,где отображается количество страниу которых не хватает,чтобы пробную языковую версию вики запустили? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Дмитрий Аланов (discussioncontribs) 17:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC).

(Replying to an automatic translation of your comment, so please rephrase if I misunderstood something.) @Дмитрий Аланов: There is no page count requirement to approve a test-wiki. What we look for is sustained activity on the test-wiki. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 03:00, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Save the Egyptian Arabic Wiktionary proposal[edit]

Please, save the Egyptian Arabic proposal Wiktionary from the destructive contributions of Redaking. Most of his entries are filled with opinions, rather than academic contributions. I informed him already, yet he is warning me not to remove his destructive contributions without discussing them with him. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 10:29, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The user:Mestafa kech broke an essential template on the main page. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Incubator[edit]

Hi there,

Please let me know how can I submit the article to Incubator?--JuliaMankovskaya (talk) 05:44, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@JuliaMankovskaya: Which language(s) do you know? Which project(s) would you like to participate in (Wikipedia? Wiktionary? Wikivoyage?)? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:05, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Justin(@koavf)

I would like to know how to publish a Company's Wikipedia page(in English). I have read that if you publish it in Incubator, you can get really valuable feedback and make sure that the article meets all the requirements. Unfortunately, I got lost a bit, where to start. Hope you can guide me). --JuliaMankovskaya (talk) 09:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

@JuliaMankovskaya: First off, to get a specific user's attention, use {{Ping|USERNAME}}. If you want to use the English Wikipedia, it is located here. To understand what can and cannot be published on that site, a good place to look is w:en:WP:NOTABLE, which describes which things are "notable" and therefore worthy of inclusion and which ones aren't (note that most businesses are not notable). Since you're asking about a different project than this Incubator, you can post follow up questions or comments here: w:en:User talk:Koavf. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:02, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Special:Preferences doesn't work for anyone else?[edit]

says " 2019-08-22 03:57:15: Fatal exception of type "MWException" " for me. Laptop Fizz (talk) 04:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

@Laptop Fizz: Please check whether this helps. Adithyak1997 (talk) 04:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Adithyak1997: How am i supposed to mess around with the files on wmf's server? I don't have access to it. Laptop Fizz (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Laptop Fizz: I have no problem. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:09, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
well it doesn't work for me. and i also have no wiki assigned, maybe that's part of it? Laptop Fizz (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@Laptop Fizz: Ask at m:Tech or on phabricator. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Untitled[edit]

My question is how i can write subject or articles please i want answer ? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Choe jûn (discussioncontribs).

@Choe jûn: That depends on what you want to write. We have several projects that include news articles, travel guides, handbooks, and more. What kind of things do you have to say? —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:00, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Igbo Wiktionary[edit]

Please how do i find the pages created between the months of June and July during the Igbo Wiktionary edit a thon with Secondary School Teachers in Abuja?--Oby Ezeilo (talk) 13:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Oby Ezeilo: The Igob Wiktionary is at Wt/ig/Ihu mbu. You can look at this page to find new pages across all of Incubator and this page to find recent changes to the Igbo Wiktionary. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:23, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you soo much Justin but i want the changes done in June and July. I checked the link you sent it was showing recent changes done within 30 days , the other one showed all changes done within 30 days as well. I need changes done between June and July not within the last 30 days. Please how do i go about it ? --Oby Ezeilo (talk) 20:42, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
May not be possible without manually going into a database dump. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
You can probably get at it indirectly in the following way:
  1. Go to this page. It will show you who the active editors were during June (and then July) on the Igbo Wiktionary test project.
  2. Click on each name in turn. That will take you to the user's user page here. Then click on the link at the left of that page "User contributions". That will take you to the user's list of user contributions. Then when you get to that page tick the box marked "only show page creations", fill in "from date"=1 June 2019 and "to date"=31 July 2019 (or whatever dates you are looking for), then click the search button.
Sorry I can't give you something more direct. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:41, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Brief unavailability of Incubator for editing[edit]

This is just to let everyone know that there will be a read-only window of up to 30 minutes on 24 September 2019 at 05:00 UTC. Please see I:POST#Tech News: 2019-36 and phab:T230788 for details. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Update on technical issues and other things interfering with getting the process moving again[edit]

Originally posted today at m:Talk:Language committee and then copied here. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I want to give everyone an update on

  • The technical issues (phab:T212881)
  • The two approved projects still pending creation.
  • The four tentatively approved projects still pending language verification.
  • Getting everything else going again.

Technical issues and projects pending creation[edit]

Getting this moving again was identified as a high-priority issue at Wikimania. Its priority at phabricator has been upgraded to high and it is being looked at by the Core Platform Team. I'm hoping this gets the logjam broken and that we can start moving these things along again.

  • The creation of Western Armenian Wikipedia earlier this summer was always going to have a large manual component, because the content was (mostly) being taken from Armenian Wikipedia, not Incubator, Multilingual Wikisource or Beta Wikipedia. So it was always a bit of an anomaly.
  • The recent creation of Neapolitan Wikisource was partly an exercise in seeing quite how broken the existing process was. (Answer: "Very.") Unfortunately, it did not portend the other two projects' imminent creation.
  • If we can get the language verification done on the four tentatively approved projects (next section), then I will try to get at least Hindi Wikisource (approved back in March) created manually. But, quite frankly, if I have to choose between pushing through a project manually and getting the whole process fixed, I'd rather time be spent on getting the whole process fixed.

Projects awaiting language verification[edit]

There is a LangCom member working directly on those now. I believe he has set himself a deadline of 30 September. If it goes much later than that, I will push again.

Other projects feeling they are close to ready[edit]

I am soon going to go back to projects that have been "close to ready" for a while. I am going to give a mild, early preference to projects that are not the first project in a language, so that I can avoid the "language verification" issue. But that is a short list likely be addressed quickly, and then I will move on to projects that are the first project in a language.

I think the main potential issue here is going to be that many test projects went dormant because of all the delays, both technical delays and approval delays. So here is how we will handle these:

  • Projects that have maintained approvable activity levels (3+ months with 3 registered editors making at least 10 edits each per month), or pretty nearly so (OK, they just missed once or twice during the summer), will be moved straight along.
  • Projects that had approvable activity up until a point earlier this year can restore their approvable activity status with a single month of approval-level activity. (I will try to let you know who you are.) That activity level then still needs to continue. But what I mean is that I am not going to wait until you have three more months under your belt to judge the readiness of everything else.
  • Remember that other things required for approval (content, interface translation, etc.) haven't gone away.

Thank you for your patience. I am happy to take process questions here at m:Talk:Language committee. But please let me work through the list of "nearly ready" I already have, and don't start pushing your projects at me quite yet. I'm already going to have a lot to do, and I have a day job. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
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Babel box[edit]

Hallo, how I can insert the last two boxes on my side inside the Babel box? --Abrape (talk) 08:47, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

@Abrape: Please do check your userbox now. Sorry to edit your userpage without your permission. If this wasn't what you need, please revert my edit. This is the source from where I got information to make such an edit. Adithyak1997 (talk) 14:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Hallo @Adithyak1997:, it looks wonderfull!! Thank you very, very much. Best regards --Abrape (talk) 14:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Wn/en-simple is not considered a valid project?[edit]

How can I make Simple English wikinews? Computer Fizz (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: There are a few issues here.
  1. First, on the whole there is a reluctance to allow new simple projects at all. There was never a Simple English Wikinews, but every other Simple English project was closed except for Wikipedia and Wiktionary—and the latter only because it plays a support role for the former.
  2. Second, I think you've been around simplewiki long enough now to know just how difficult it really is to curate English to make sure it stays within the realm of Simple English (however you define it).
  3. Third, new/small Wikinews projects have an extremely difficult time recruiting enough reporters/writers to provide sufficient content on an ongoing basis.
At this point, if someone wants to create a new Simple English project, they are required to incubate it elsewhere—either as a branch/namespace of Simple English Wikipedia, as a branch/namespace of the corresponding English project (English Wikinews, in this case), or in an outside wiki like Incubator Plus 2.0. Either of the first two would require you to have community approval from the respective wiki. The third would not, but you will have a harder time recruiting contributors.
Let me ask you a question. Is your intent to create a news project with independent reporting, or are you really looking to provide Simple English renderings of content already existing in, say, English Wikinews? If you are really looking to provide Simple English renderings of existing Wikinews content, I strongly recommend that you try to get English Wikinews to let you incubate there. This way you will have easy access to the original content. And I think the English Wikinews community (whom I don't know all that well) might find it a useful service to provide.
You can try working at simplewiki, which has the advantage that there is already a community of contributors that knows the standards we use for "Simple English". But I suspect the community will not welcome this initiative. That community, as you probably know, feels it has enough trouble writing its encyclopedia without adding further distractions.
Any other questions, please let me know. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Yea i wasn't planning to do independent research and article making by myself. So i will probably ask about whether or not i can use english wikinews. Computer Fizz (talk) 16:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

News is supposed to be written in a very plain an intelligible style anyway in addition to the fact that simple is a non-standard code and Wikinews is by far one of the least active projects. Starting a simple English Wikinews would frankly be a disaster all around. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but not necessarily in English qualifying as "Simple English" the way we think of it. (If all news met that standard, VOA would not need a separate Special English/Learning English section.) StevenJ81 (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Granted but VOA is specifically targeted to foreigners (most of whom are not native English speakers) and simple.wp is not targeted to anyone and there is no prescribed list of words. Is it for non-native English users? Children? Persons with learning disabilities? Reproducing this ambiguity would probably be another reason to not have simple.wn if anything. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Help[edit]

Can someone help here I can't correct this Module error

https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wt/mni/wikipedia. A ꯷ 04:47, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@Awangba Mangang: Please check now. I have temporarily fixed the issue by making this edit. Now, to completely fix the issue, you need to create the module named script utilities. Why I didn't create it is due to the reason that I don't know the source from where you are creating the modules. Adithyak1997 (talk) 19:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

A ꯷ 11:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Good example of when test-admins are allowed to operate outside their tests[edit]

Reminder to test-administrators: While you are ordinarily supposed to use administrator tools only inside your tests, the tools do work outside your tests. That's why I:A#Test-administrators doesn't say "You can't use the tools outside your test"; instead, it says, "If you do something outside your test, be prepared to defend your actions or you may be desysopped."

Sometimes it's OK, as when there is clear vandalism/advertising going on. See Axel's action at Special:Diff/4632215. This was clearly a case where rollback was appropriate, and I appreciate that Axel did so. (Remember, test-admins are the only people besides full sysops with "rollback" here.)

Obviously, when in doubt, tag it, and contact us at I:AN. But when it's clear, please feel free to take action yourselves. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Seeeeriously. Who cares for rollback? --MF-W {a, b} 09:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Test-admins have asked if they are allowed to do these things. So I thought I'd give this as an example. No biggie. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Usage of a page (Wp/khw)[edit]

I would like to know whether the page Wp/khw/MediaWiki:Common.css has some usage or whether it needs to be deleted or not. The main doubt arises due to the reason - when I visited that page, I was able to know that the content model of the specific page needs to be changed to styles. When I tried to do change it to Mediawiki:Wp/khw/Commons.css, it showed an error "A page of that name already exists, or the name you have chosen is not valid". I also tried to find a similar page in other Incubator wikis but I couldn't find any. Adithyak1997 (talk) 15:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Most tests haven't customized these. You can delete the page you asked about, unless there is something in it you want to copy to the page in MediaWiki space. Then I'll need to help you. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:12, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Warang Citi font ligatures[edit]

In the original proposal to encode Warang Citi in Unicode, there is discussion of conjunct characters. The behaviour was not properly analysable from the documents I had. Are there any experts here on this matter? Evertype (talk) 23:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia[edit]

LangCom has some questions to ask the community of the Wp/skr test. Please see the questions at Talk:Wp/skr/پہلا پرت#Approval issue for the community. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Sakizaya Wikipedia[edit]

LangCom has some questions to ask the community of the Wp/szy test. Please see the questions at Talk:Wp/szy. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of image[edit]

I uploaded an image that I own, and would like to know how it can be deleted. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by BigRed66 (discussioncontribs).

@BigRed66: Where did you upload it? If it has educational value and was properly licensed, then no, it will probably not be deleted. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:10, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf: I uploaded the file through media commons. It's a football image that I created. The license on it is incorrect, and I'd like to have it changed or the image removed altogether. [[1]] BigRed66BigRed66 (talk) 01:38, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
@BigRed66: Go to the image, add {{speedy delete|I don't actually own this picture}} at the top, and then an admin will delete it. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:50, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Request Administrator access[edit]

I have made a request for administrator access on Wikimedia Incubator for myself. Please see the discussion at I:RFA#Ninjastrikers. Thanks. NinjaStrikers «» 07:42, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I need help in the Wp/apc test project[edit]

1- I can't get the Template:Wp/apc/Infobox person to work, what I'm missing? 2- How can I import necessary templates in one step with all the needed modules? HitomiAkane (talk) 17:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

I made some fixings to Template:Wp/apc/Infobox person, please check. NinjaStrikers «» 09:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)