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• English: Feel free to ask anything below, preferably in English or one of the other main world languages. See Incubator:Administrators to request special access, like test-adminship. See Help:Contents or Help:Manual for help in general.
• বাংলা: নিচে আপনি যে কোনও কিছু জিজ্ঞাসা করতে পারেন। ইংরেজিতে বা বিশ্বের অন্য যে কোনও একটি প্রধান ভাষায় জিজ্ঞাসা করুন। কোনও অধিকারের জন্য আবেদন করতে Incubator:Administrators দেখুন। সাধারণ সাহায্যের জন্য Help:Contents/bn বা Help:Manual/bn দেখুন।
• Français: N'hésitez pas à poser une question ci-dessous, de préférence en anglais ou dans une autre des principales langues internationales. Pour récupérer votre compte utilisateur ou demander son renommage, voir Incubator:Administrators. Voir Help:Contents/fr ou Help:Manual/fr pour l'aide en général.
• Español: No dude en preguntar algo en esta página, preferiblemente en inglés o en otro de los principales idiomas internacionales. Para recuperar su cuenta de usuario o cambiar su nombre de usuario, ver Incubator:Administrators. Leer Help:Contents/es o Help:Manual/es para ayuda de carácter general.
• हिंदी: नीचे अधिमानतः अंग्रेज़ी या विश्व में प्रमुख रूप में प्रयोग होनेवाली अन्य भाषाओं में कुछ भी पूछने में संकोच न करें। विशेष पहुँच का अनुरोध करने के लिए Incubator:Administrators देखें। साधारण सहायता के लिए Help:Contents/hi या Help:Manual/hi देखें।
• Português: Fique à vontade para perguntar seja o que for nesta página, preferencialmente em inglês ou em outro idioma dentre as principais línguas do mundo. Para recuperar sua conta de usuário, ou trocar seu nome de usuário, ver Incubator:Administrators. Veja também Help:Contents/pt ou Help:Manual/pt para ajuda em geral.
• Русский: Смело задавайте свои вопросы ниже, желательно на английском или любом другом из наиболее распространённых языков мира. См. Incubator:Administrators чтобы подать запрос на статус администратора или запросить переименование своего аккаунта. Если нужна помощь, см. Help:Contents/ru или Help:Manual/ru.
• 中文（简体）：您可以随意讨论下列任意事情，建议使用英语及其他世界上的主要语言。前往Incubator:Administrators可以申请成为管理员或重命名账户。前往Help:目录或Help:手册可以获得帮助。
• 中文（繁體）：您可以隨意討論下列任意事情，建議使用英語及其他世界上的主要語言。前往Incubator:Administrators可以申請成為管理員或重命名帳戶。前往Help:目錄或Help:手冊可以獲得幫助。

• العربية: لا تتردد أن تسأل عن أي شيء أدناه، يُفضّل باللغة الإنجليزية أو أيٍّ من لغات العالم الرئيسة. راجع الإداريين لطلب صلاحيات خاصة، مثل صلاحية مدير اختباري. راجع المساعدة أو الدليل للحصول على المساعدة بشكل عام.

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• अंगिका: नीचें कुछ्छो पूछै लेली स्वतंत्र महसूस करियै, विशेषतः अंग्रेजी मँ या विश्व के कोय भी मुख्य भाषा सिनी मँ । विशेष पहुँच के अनुरोध, जेना कि परीक्षण-व्यवस्थापन, करै वास्तें Incubator:Administrators देखौ। सामान्य तौर पर मदद वास्तें Help:Contents या Help:Manual देखौ।
• অসমীয়া: আপুনি তলত যি কোনো ধৰণৰ প্ৰশ্ন কৰিব পাৰে। ইংৰাজি বা বিশ্বৰ অন্য যি কোনো এটা প্ৰধান ভাষাত প্ৰশ্ন কৰক। কোনো অধিকাৰৰ বাবে বা আপোনাৰ একাউণ্ট পুনঃনামকৰণৰ বাবে Incubator:Administrators চাওক। সাধাৰণ সহায়ৰ বাবে Help:Contents বা Help:Manual চাওক।
• Беларускай: Можаце запытаць усё, што патрэбна, унізе, пажадана па-ангельску ці любой іншай распаўсюджанай мовай сьвету. Каб запытаць спэцыяльныя правы накшталт тэставага адмінства, глядзіце Адміністрацыю. Падрабязная дапамога апісаная ў Зьмесьце ці Кіраўніцтве.
• ⵜⴰⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵜ: ⴰⴷ ⵓⵔ ⵜⵔⴽⴽⴻⴽⴷ ⴳ ⵓⵙⵇⵙⵉ ⵅⴼ ⴽⵔⴰ ⵏ ⵜⵖⴰⵡⵙⴰ ⴳ ⵉⵣⴷⴷⴰⵔ, ⵢⵓⴼ ⵙ ⵜⵏⴳⵍⵉⵣⵉⵜ ⵏⵉⵖ ⴽⵔⴰ ⵏ ⵜⵓⵜⵍⴰⵢⵜ ⵜⴰⴳⵔⴰⵖⵍⴰⵏⵜ. ⴱⴰⵛ ⴰⴷ ⵜⵙⵙⴰⵖⵓⵍⴷ ⴰⵎⵉⴹⴰⵏ ⵏⵏⵎ/ⴽ ⵏⵖ ⴰⴷ ⴰⵙ ⵜⴰⵍⵙⴷ ⵉⵙⵎ, ⵥⵔ Incubator:Administrators. ⵥⵔ Help:Contents/fr ⵏⵖ Help:Manual ⵉ ⵜⵡⵉⵙⵉ ⵙ ⵓⵎⴰⵜⴰ.
• بلۏچی: ادا شما تۏن اݔت وتی گپ‌ئا وتی دلء پئیما پہ بلۏچی یا دگہ مزنݔں زبانے بہ لِک اݔت. انکوباتورء سرمستران ئا بہ گند اِت ءُ چہ آیان یک چیزے بہ لۏٹ اݔت. یا Help:Contents یا Help:Manual ئا بہ گند اݔت پہ پݔش آتکان مشکلان.
• کھوار:پسہ کھوار زبانا یا خور کیہ زبانا سوال بشار گانیکو بومی، مزید پسہ. اینکوبیٹر:ایڈمنسٹریٹر یا ایڈیٹراننتے درخاس کوری تان یوزر نامو بدیل کوریکو بومی وا نوغ کھاتہ دی کھولاو کوریکو بومی. مدد:عنوانات یامدد:مینویل مزید مدد دی گانیکو بومی.
• اردو: نیچے کسی بھی قسم کا سوال پوچھنے کے لیے اپنے آپ کو آزاد سمجھیں۔ سوال پوچھنے کے لیے انگریزی یا دنیا کی دوسری اہم زبانوں کا استعمال کریں۔ اپنے اکاؤنٹ کا نام تبدیل کرنے کے لیے Incubator:Administrators دیکھیں۔ مدد کے لیے Help:Contents یا Help:Manual دیکھیں۔
• Cymraeg: Mae croeso i chi ofyn unrhyw beth isod, yn Saesneg neu un o brif ieithoedd eraill y byd yn ddelfrydol. Gweler Incubator:Gweinyddwr i ofyn am fynediad arbennig, fel prawf-edmygedd. Gweler Help:Cynnwys neu Help:Llawlyfr am gymorth yn gyffredinol.
• Deutsch: Fühl dich frei, hier drunter irgendwas zu fragen, wenn möglich auf Englisch oder einer anderen Weltsprache. Für den Erhalt erweiterter Benutzerrechte siehe Incubator:Administrators. Für Hilfe allgemein siehe Help:Contents/de bzw. Help:Manual/de.
• Ελληνικά:Μη διστάσετε να ρωτήσετε τίποτα, κατά προτίμηση στην αγγλική γλώσσα ή σε μία από τις άλλες κύριες γλώσσες του κόσμου. Δείτε Incubator:Administrators για να ζητήσετε να σας μετονομάσουν το λογαριασμό σας. Δείτε Help:Contents/el ή Help:Manual/el για να βοήθηθείτε σε γενικές γραμμές. Καλή συνέχεια!
• Esperanto: Demandu laŭvole en ĉi tiu paĝo, precipe anglalingve, sed ankaŭ en alia el la plej gravaj lingvoj en la mondo. Por rehavi vian uzantokonton, aŭ ŝanĝi vian uzantonomon, vidu Incubator:Administrators. Vidu ankaŭ Help:Contents/eo aŭ Help:Manual/eo por ĝenerala helpo.
• Magyar: Ide fordulhatsz kérdéseiddel – a gyors válasz érdekében viszont érdemes angolul vagy valamelyik világnyelven írnod. Ha meg akarod változtatni a felhasználóneved, vagy valamihez különleges hozzáférést szeretnél, keresd az adminisztárotokat. Érdemes lehet átnézned a súgót és a kézikönyvet is.
• 日本語：以下の質問は、できれば英語か他の主要な言語でお願いします。Incubator:Administratorsを参照して、アクセスを要求したり、アカウント名を変更したりしてください。一般的なヘルプについてはHelp:ContentsやHelp:Manualを参照してください
• Taqbaylit: Ur ttkukru ara ad d-teǧǧeḍ asteqsi ukesser-agi, menyif ad yili s teglizit neɣ s yiwwet seg tutlayin-nniḍen tigraɣlanin tigejdanin. Akken ad d-terreḍ amiḍan-ik n umseqdac neɣ akken ad tsutreḍ abeddel n yisem, ẓer Incubator:Administrators. Ẓer Help:Contents/kab neɣ Help:Manual/kab i tallalt s umata.
• Қазақша: Сұрақтарыңызды қысылмай қоя беріңіз. Сұрақ ағылшын немес басқа да кең таралған тілде болғаны дұрыс. Өз аккаунтыңызды ауыстыру үшін немесе әкімші дәрежесін алу үшін мына бетті қараңыз. Көмек керек болса Help:Contents/kk немес Help:Manual/kk беттерін қараңыз.
• 한국어: 아래 항목에서 영어 또는 세계의 다른 주요 언어로 아무 것이나 물어보세요. 접근을 요청하거나 계정명을 변경하려면 Incubator:Administrators를 참조하세요. 일반적인 도움에 대해서는 Help:Contents이나 Help:Manual을 참조하세요.
• Lingua Franca Nova: No esita fa demandas a su, preferable en engles o un de la otra linguas xef de la mundo. Vide Incubator:Administrators per demanda per asede o per renomi tua conta. Vide Help:Contents/lfn o Help:Manual/lfn per aida jeneral.
• मगही: नीचे कुछो पूछेला सङ्कोच न करी, विशेषतः अङ्ग्रेजी वा बिश्वके कौनो मुख्यभाषामे । बिशेष पहुँचके अनुरोध, जैसे कि परीक्षण-प्रशासक, करेला Incubator:Administrators देखी । सामान्य सहायता लागि सहायता:सामग्री वा सहायता:नियमाबली देखी ।
• မြန်မာဘာသာ။ မေးမြန်းလိုသည်များကို အင်္ဂလိပ်ဘာသာဖြင့်သာမက အခြားကမ္ဘာ့ အဓိကဘာသာစကားများဖြင့် အောက်တွင် လွတ်လပ်စွာ မေးမြန်းနိုင်ပါသည်။ စမ်းသပ်-စီမံခန့်ခွဲသူကဲ့သို့သော အထူးအခွင့်အရေးများတောင်းဆိုရန်အတွက် Incubator:Administrators ကို ကြည့်ပါ။ အထွေထွေ အကူအညီများအတွက် Help:Contents သို့မဟုတ် Help:Manual တွင်ကြည့်ပါ။
• Bân-lâm-gú: Lí ē-sái tī ē-té sûi-chāi thó-lūn jīm-hô tāi-chì, kiàn-gī ēng Eng-gí kap kî-thaⁿ sè-kài siōng ê chú-iàu gí-giân. Chiân-óng Incubator:Administrators ē-tàng sin-chhéng chiâⁿ-chò koán-lí jîn-oân ia̍h-sī tiông-sin thè lí-ê kháu-chō hō-miâ. Chiân-óng Help:Contents kap Help:Manual ē-tàng tit-tio̍h pang-chān.
• नेपाली: तल सकेसम्म अङ्ग्रेजी नत्र विश्वमा बोलिने अन्य कुनै प्रमुख भाषामा केही सोध्नलाई पनि सङ्कोच नमान्नुहोस् । विशेष पहुँचसँग सम्बन्धित अनुरोधका लागि Incubator:Administrators मा जानुहोस् । सामान्य सहयोजका लागि सामान्य मद्दतको लागि Help:Contents/ne वा Help:Manual/ne मा जानुहोस् ।
• pinayuanan: a i maza maqatitjen a kiljavaran tanemanema. nu tja siayaya aicu a kai nua amilika katua zumanga a kai a sipatatevelak nua tjatjuruvu a caucau i kacauan, madjulu itjen a patatevelak. vaiku tua Incubator:Administrators tu kiqaung tua su pinapungadan a kilailaingan. vaiku tua Help:Contents katua Help:Manual tu izua sipasemalaw nua wiki.
• ᱥᱟᱱᱛᱟᱲᱤ: ᱞᱟᱛᱟᱨ ᱨᱮ ᱡᱟᱦᱟᱱᱟᱜ ᱜᱮ ᱤᱸᱞᱤᱥ ᱵᱟᱝᱠᱷᱟᱱ ᱫᱷᱟᱹᱨᱛᱤ ᱨᱮᱱᱟᱜ ᱢᱩᱲᱩᱛ ᱯᱟᱹᱨᱥᱤ ᱛᱮ ᱠᱩᱞᱤ ᱨᱮᱱᱟᱜ ᱯᱷᱩᱨᱜᱹᱞ ᱢᱮᱱᱟᱜ ᱛᱟᱢᱟ ᱾ ᱟᱢᱟᱜ ᱟᱠᱟᱶᱱᱴ ᱧᱩᱛᱩᱢ ᱟᱹᱨᱩ ᱟᱨ ᱥᱮᱴᱮᱨ ᱞᱟᱹᱜᱤᱫ Incubator:Administrators ᱧᱮᱞ ᱢᱮ ᱾ ᱜᱚᱲᱚ ᱦᱚᱪᱚ ᱞᱟᱹᱜᱤᱫ Help:Contents ᱵᱟᱝᱠᱷᱟᱱ Help:Manual ᱧᱮᱞ ᱢᱮ ᱾
• Slovenčina: Vitajte! Tu dole sa môžete voľne spýtať na hocijakú otázku, najlepšie v Angličtine alebo v iných hlavných jazykoch sveta. Ak chcete premenovať svoj redaktorský účet, pozru Incubator:Administrators. Odporúčame pozrieť aj Help:Contents alebo Help:Manual, ktorá vám pomôže zodpovedať vašu otázku.
• Svenska: Fråga gärna om något nedan, helst på engelska eller något annat världsspråk. Se Incubator:Administrators för att be om tillgångar eller för att byta namn på ditt konto. Se Hjälp:Innehåll eller Hjälp:Manual för allmän hjälp.
• Tagalog: Huwag mag-atubiling magtanong sa anumang bagay sa ibaba, mas mabuti sa Ingles o isa sa iba pang mga pangunahing wika sa mundo. Tingnan ang Inkubator: Admimistrador upang humiling ng access o upang palitan ang pangalan ng iyong account. Tingnan ang Tulong: Nilalaman o Tulong: Manual para sa tulong sa pangkalahatan.
• ไทย: คุณสามารถถามอะไรก็ได้ด้านล่างนี้อย่างอิสระ โดยควรจะถามเป็นภาษาอังกฤษหรือภาษาหลักของโลกภาษาหนึ่ง ดูที่ Incubator:Administrators เพื่อขอเข้าถึงหรือเปลี่ยนชื่อบัญชีของคุณ ดูที่ Help:เนื้อหา หรือ Help:คู่มือ สำหรับความช่วยเหลือทั่วไป
• Українська: Сміливо запитуйте нижче, бажано англійською або будь-якою іншою широко поширеною мовою світу. Див. Incubator:Administrators для подання запиту на статус адміністратора або для запиту на перейменування облікового запису користувача. Якщо потрібна допомога, див. Help:Contents/uk або Help:Manual/uk.
• 粵語：閣下想喺道討論乜嘢都得。建議用英文同埋其他主要語言。申請做管理員或者申請改名請去Incubator:Administrators。想獲得幫助請去Help:Contents或者Help:Manual（未有粵語版，歡迎幫手翻譯）。
• ꯃꯤꯇꯩꯂꯣꯟ: ꯃꯈꯥꯒꯤ ꯑꯁꯤꯗ ꯍꯪꯅꯤꯡꯕ ꯍꯪꯕꯗ ꯆꯤꯡꯅꯕ ꯂꯩꯒꯅꯨ, ꯏꯪꯂꯤꯁ ꯇꯥ ꯅꯠꯇ꯭ꯔꯒ ꯃꯥꯂꯦꯝꯒꯤ ꯂꯩꯔꯤꯕ ꯂꯣꯟ ꯃꯌꯥꯝꯁꯤꯡꯗ ꯫ ꯃꯁꯤꯁꯨ ꯌꯦꯡꯉꯨ ꯆꯨꯞꯂꯤ ꯄꯥꯏꯔꯤꯕꯁꯤꯡꯒꯤ ꯑꯈꯟꯅꯕ ꯑꯌꯥꯕꯥ ꯂꯧꯐꯝ Incubator:Administrators ꯇꯦꯁꯠ-ꯑꯦꯗꯃꯤꯅꯑꯣꯢꯅꯕꯒꯤ ꯫ ꯃꯁꯤ ꯌꯦꯡꯎ Help:Contents ꯅꯠꯇ꯭ꯔꯒ Help:Manual ꯃꯇꯦꯡ ꯂꯧꯐꯝꯁꯤꯡ ꯫
• ꠍꠤꠟꠐꠤ꠩ ꠔꠟꠦꠖꠤ ꠀꠙꠘꠦ ꠎꠦꠌꠣꠔꠣ ꠎꠤꠇꠣꠁꠔꠣ ꠙꠣꠞ꠆ꠛꠣ ⁕ ꠀꠋꠞꠦꠎꠤ ꠘꠣ ꠖꠥꠘꠤꠀꠞ ꠎꠦꠌꠣ ꠄꠉꠥ ꠘꠣꠝꠤꠖꠣꠝꠤ ꠝꠣꠔꠦ ꠎꠤꠇꠣꠁꠘ ⁕ ꠀꠞ ꠇꠥꠘ꠆ꠔꠣꠞ ꠟꠣꠉꠤ ꠀꠛꠦꠖꠘ ꠇꠞꠔꠦ ꠌꠣꠁꠟꠦ Incubator:Administrators ꠖꠦꠈꠂꠇ꠆ꠇꠣ ⁕ ꠔꠥꠞꠣꠔꠥꠞꠤ ꠎꠦꠌꠣ ꠡꠣꠎ꠆ꠎꠞ ꠟꠣꠉꠤ Help:Contents ꠀꠞꠘꠣꠄ Help:Manual ꠖꠦꠈꠂꠇ꠆ꠇꠣ ⁕

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Incubator:Wikimedia Language Diversity Hub

We’ve created a landing page for the Language Diversity Hub, and we believe it deserves more visibility within the community. This effort wants to be essential for supporting linguistic diversity on Wikimedia, and we want to ensure people can easily find and engage with it. Can we get it highlighted on the Community Portal, Home Page, or another prominent location where folks will see it? Visibility is key to expanding participation and impact.

Looking forward to your thoughts and support! Oscar . (talk) 02:03, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

Support Also, you may request the Translations Administrators to make both pages on the Incubator and Meta translatable. -- (talk) 22:19, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, but that page doesn't really explain which people are "the language diversity hub" and how it can help Incubator communities except by going to some external website which has outdated links (some call in November 2024). What benefit would users have if there was a link to it? --MF-W {a, b} 20:31, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

Hey @MF-Warburg, the page is still just a skeleton for now! I’d love to hear from you and the community, what kinds of resources would be most helpful here? Maybe tutorials, guides, or something else? That’s just my take, but ultimately, we want to make sure we’re meeting the community’s needs. Oscar . (talk) 16:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Support nice to see this effort coming to wikis other then Meta and nice to see you reactivating here @Oscar . Hope you consider supporting with different methods and resources, beyond what was already available here. Zblace (talk) 00:59, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Pages named after Wiki prefixes (i.e. Wn, Wy)

Why do these pages redirect to the Incubator:Main page? They should look something like this:

Links to the projects of each language, with this legend:

Wiki in progress on Incubator (e.g. Wy/ta)

Wiki imported (e.g. Wn/th)

Wiki approved (e.g. Wy/he)

Created before Incubator (e.g. Wy/en)

Faster than Thunder (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Those are under I:Wikinews projects, I:Wikivoyage projects and so on. I'm not aware of why those redirect to the main page, but I can assume they do so because they would otherwise be considered incorrectly prefixed pages (a common error when creating pages) — Garcez (talk) 10:33, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

They link to the Main Page because they need to exist and go somewhere. It can be changed if that's more convenient. --MF-W {a, b} 11:04, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

Serbo-Croatian Wikivoyage language code

Hello! Serbo-Croatian Wikipedia and Wiktionary use sh language code, which is valid and recommended in BCP 47 (more details on Phabricator). Incubated Serbo-Croatian Wikiquote uses it as well – Wq/sh. However, incubated Serbo-Croatian Wikivoyage differs from this practice and is named Wy/hbs. This inconsistency leads to LanguageConverter not working, which is what users noticed. I don't see the reason for using different codes, so perhaps we should consider moving it to sh. Thanks in advance. – Aca (talk) 18:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

@Aca: Some of the users involved in the Serbo-Croation Wikivoyage project have quite strong opinions on why hbs should be used instead of sh. Pinging @Zblace who can probably explain their stance better than I can. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:52, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: Understandable, but language code is not something the community can decide on. The Language Committee should perhaps have a say on this. – Aca (talk) 20:46, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Aca I will stay away from commenting your assumptions and standpoints, but just say that once the Language Committee approved Wy/hbs the decision has been made. Acomodating converter for cyrilic is not highest priority. Zblace (talk) 06:29, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

That's a bit exaggerated. The test-project uses the hbs code now, but that doesn't mean that this is set in stone. Ideally of course all projects in the same language would use the same code, whichever one is chosen in the end. And accomodating the script converter may not be your highest priority, but it is a problem if an existing feature doesn't work. -- MF-W {a, b} 10:51, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, we all have personal standpoints. I think SH/Serbo-Croatian is a code for a language standard established/maintained during Socialist Yugoslavia, that is no longer maintained/developed. HBS/Croatian-Bosnian-Montenegrin-Serbian is code for a group of language standards that are part of spectrum due to high similarities and 50 years of shared past. Switching between because of technical convenience of a tool (that was not requested by existing project contributors) would bi very problematic. I know that my focus on contributors and their content work is not favored by all Wikimedians but it is by Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy. So if you abuse your technical tools again, like with locking of page creation of Montenegrin Wikipedia in Incubator, we will protest.Zblace (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

If a focus should be "on contributors and their content work", why care about the code at all? But sure, the question of the code is important, and I'd prefer if there could be a solution acceptable to all involved. It would be a shame to split the contributor base even further, into Wy/sh and Wy/hbs, that would not be good. Also, please refrain from personal attacks like "if you abuse your technical tools again". The creation of pages for ineligible projects, including Montenegrin, is not abuse, even if you disagree with the non-eligibility of that project. I have not threatened any use of "technical tools" in this discussion and I have no intention to do so. Again, I just hope that in this question a solution can be found that is acceptable to all involved. User:Aca raised the question of Wy/hbs's code and there is a problem with the script converter not working. However none of that means that the hbs code is about the be forbidden or whatever. -- MF-W {a, b} 12:04, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg one can maybe reflect on what does all involved mean?

User:Aca was not significant contributer and only reactivated since 2022 to add a link to this discussion as an opportunity to manage and push something...as well as instrumentalizing other two SH Wikipedia users (who are not activly contributing here)...so there is nothing to split effectivly. Zblace (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

None of above is relevant to the matter. There is a strong case for switching the code from hbs to sh and in no sense would it constitute an abuse of technical tools. In an alternate scenario — had BCP 47 recommended another code along the lines of 'hbs', we would probably have a justification to use that code instead. Please remember to discuss not the users, but the content of their messages. Cheers. Vipz (talk) 18:29, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby thank you for pinging me. Zblace (talk) 06:22, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

This is a well-founded proposal. It would make the project comply with the BCP standard, enable the language converter, and contribute to consistency with other Serbo-Croatian-language projects (current and future). I also noticed one could quite easily end up on the Upper Sorbian Wikipedia (hsb:) by mistyping hbs (or mistaking the order) in the address bar. Besides, the three-letter code never exactly fixed (or intended to fix) issues regarding the exclusion of initials for the two other standard languages within the spectrum (none of the initials represent Montenegrin). Vipz (talk) 23:04, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair point. bhs doesn't have a Montenegrin initial, so the argument about inclusivity of the new language code doesn't hold water. – Aca (talk) 23:13, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Comment Well, I'm gonna agree with user Zblace on this discussion-point. Namely, that contentious language-code is historical and an extremely outdated relic of the dim and distant past, so, as such, it fails and ignores to reflect and correspond with the contemporary goals of the modern-day DEI-initiatives, which are currently stated and expressed in the "m:Movement Strategy"; thereby overwhelmingly breaching the aforementioned global Wikimedia document in the process. نوفاك اتشمان (talk) 19:56, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Aca the one 'user' that 'noticed' is not speaking any of the languages. Zblace (talk) 06:13, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

This is an argumentum ad hominem. We shouldn't discredit someone's opinion based on the fact that this user "isn't speaking any of the languages". Furthermore, user Vipz also noticed the issue, and he is a native speaker of Serbo-Croatian. – Aca (talk) 14:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Aca in your first stamement you used plural: 'which is what users noticed' though it was reference to one account who effectivly is not user let alone contributor to the given content (as they do not use any of the languages, let alone cyrilic script), and now add Vipz post-festum back into that to make it plural again. That is funny. If you are eager to be constructive (and not just managerial) you are welcome to contribute to the Wy/hbs (as you briefly did with your close collaborator Vipz), but not to decide for us. You can also start Wy/sh and copy existing content if you like and go at it and have language converter there to work with people contributing in cyrilic. Wy/sr is also an option if you think your offer with language converter would help there.Zblace (talk) 07:37, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

In my first statement, I linked a discussion where two users, besides you, participated, and that's why I used the plural. I didn't add anyone post-festum, and I pretty much don't care if something is funny or not. I kindly ask you to refrain from using ad hominem arguments, like you did against John Smith Ri ["one account who effectivly is not user let alone contributor to the given content (as they do not use any of the languages, let alone cyrilic script)"] and Vipz ["your close collaborator"]. Furthermore, using dividing lines like "Us vs. Them" is not appropriate as we are all speaking the same language and contributing to the same mission. – Aca (talk) 13:05, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

User Zblace is essentially proposing a divide within the community of the same language, Serbo-Croatian, which both 'sh' and 'hbs' represent. This suggestion is a very bad one and goes against both the language committee policies and the broader mission of Wikimedia. If this Wikivoyage instance is not supposed to be the Serbo-Croatian language entry to the Wikivoyage project, it may be more appropriate to switch to another language code (e.g. Wy/hr) recognized on Wikimedia. Vipz (talk) 18:50, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator: T320885. – Aca (talk) 10:47, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

The Serbo-Croatian community has been informed about this discussion, with the notice posted on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage public venues. – Aca (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

The Serbo-Croatian community has, indeed, been informed about this. As a bureaucrat on the Wiki, I voice support for the "sh" language code, as proposed. Edgar Allan Poe (talk) 13:20, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

In T320885#8411665, @Zblace wrote:

HBS could also explicitly include Montenegrin as part of Bosnian-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian (BCMS)...

In T320885#10613077, @Winston_Sung wrote:

sh in BCP 47 actually DID include all of Bosnian-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian languages:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry

(find "Macrolanguage: sh" and all 4 languages were included)

The deprecation in ISO 639-1 is only because the split, it did not related to the addition of language members in the macrolanguage. Montenegrin is still part of sh, at least in BCP 47.

-- Winston Sung (talk) 13:24, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

As a member of the sh community, I am in favor of converting the code from bhs to sh. I think it is hasty to draw conclusions like "once it's done, it's done", since we are still in the incubator anyway. Moreover, introducing codes like bhs sounds to me once again like an instance of fragmentation, which you can translate as the creation of more self-referential niches within the linguistic wiki-archipelago of south-east Europe. In addition, I absolutely agree with colleague MF-Warburg when he says that if the focus is on the contents, what is the problem around the codes? I don't fully get the Zblace's reference to the Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy. @Zblace do you have any more explicit and precise references? --Inokosni organ (talk) 20:37, 21 March 2025 (UTC)