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Wikipedia Yola

Not allowing a test wiki of Wikipedia Yola is unfair, there is a revival movement going on in Wexford. I’m a fluent heritage speaker, Why is it blocked? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by MichaelDMelvin23 (discussioncontribs) 08:57, 8 January 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Because it's extinct. --MF-W {a, b} 10:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(the language as follows is written in Yola, translation in English provided at the bottom) Ha, Ye mye no recaul, vor it was lhaung agone dhicka ye reameved mee lethel wiki, an ye ameved an wi yer die, mot ich did no. Ye zeid ee taalke is deed, mot dhicka is no vullie drue. Yee it is no valse dhicka aar ba na gabbleares dhicka ha gabbled ing it zeeth aar lief vell, mot aar is a chi av foulk zitch az meezil fho ar vull boneyes fan it coomes t’gableen ee yola taalke, an dhicka hath pidh wi it t’ba gabbled ing dhicke deem, an by valler foulk neow too! Az ye can zee ‘cham surchteen ing it reicht neow. Ee notheres woull surche laafes vor it too. Cham a zo ee-caulthed “heritage speaker” az woull, ee yola taalke was gabbled bee mee vamilee lhaung avar mee. Wough av ee yola taalke hope dhicke pleast ye woull, an hope ye woull leth ouse pidh wi oure taalke, bee letheen ouse apan a “Test Wiki” an maake it zo zimdie oure gurles, an aar gurles, an zo an, woull hath a weftzite t’do recoard an, ing aar euone taalke. Bless ye vor yer deem. -Kealeen

Hi, You may not recall for it was long ago that you removed my little wiki, and moved on with your day, but I did not. You said the language is dead, but that isn’t fully true. Yes it is true that there are no speakers who have spoken it since they were born, but there is a small amount of people such as myself who are fully capable people when it comes to speaking Yola, and that have helped it to be spoken in this time, and by more people now too! As you can see I’m writing in it right now. The others will write page for it too. I’m a so called heritage speaker as well, Yola was spoken by my ancestors. We of the yola language hope this pleased you well, and hope that you will let us open a “Test Wiki” and make it so that our children, and their children, and so on, will have a website to do research on, in their own language. Thank you for your time -Michael

Please let me know any thoughts or questions — The preceding unsigned comment was added by MichaelDMelvin23 (discussioncontribs) 05:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

@MichaelDMelvin23 Based on your suggestions, Wikisource (to which we don't "incubate" here) is more suitable for your purpose, instead of Wikipedia. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226 @MF-Warburg Yola is a revived language and the community deserves a Wikipedia for researching in their own language. The ISO 639-3 code is valid, but was rendered unusable by MF-Warburg. MichaelDMelvin23 (talk) 13:57, 20 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please delete User talk: Vandalism. NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 18:14, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. -- MF-W {a, b} 18:59, 23 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia in Yola (2)

Currently still receiving the message “You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or 639-3 code” despite that “yol” is a valid ISO code, can anyone explain why this happened? It was working until someone shut down the Incubator Wiki, saying that the language was extinct despite the fact that it is a revived language. Middle English, Old Prussian, Old English, etc all have Incubator tests, so what is the reason why a legitimate, revived language can not have an Incubator test? Thank you for reading, any advice, comments, or feedback would be greatly appreciated as I don’t know where to go from here. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by MichaelDMelvin23 (discussioncontribs) 15:11, 25 January 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Contributing on the TL Wikiquote

Hi, I was just contributing on our local wikiquote, doing some translations. A warning sign has appeared. Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your edit was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Bogus" I am contributing on the Central Bikol Wiktionary before I went here. thanks. Cjay Barrameda (talk) 12:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's a false positive. Ping User:Danny B. for checking what can be done. --MF-W {a, b} 13:27, 26 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As MF-Warburg mentioned above, this was unfortunate false positive. Apologies for inconvenience and thanks for patience. The collected data have been reflected in the updated version and you should not experience any issues now. However, since your language has a specific way of word formation, some other false positive still unfortunately may happen in the future, nevertheless such possible occurrences will be reflected as well as soon as possible.
PS: Please, if possible, in your own interest set and verify your e-mail address in preferences, thank you.
Danny B. 18:07, 26 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

tok code doesn't work

"Tok" is already a legal code, but incubator thinks that This code isn't registered. What should I do?

Pablo Federico Streccia Viera (talk) 18:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Does not look like it. --MF-W {a, b} 01:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And This? Pablo Federico Streccia Viera (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tokipona was moved to Fandom, according to Meta. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 17:26, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see, this is a new code, that's why it's not yet in the Glottolog database. Since this is about a constructed language however (and one that used to have a Wikipedia; the ISO change request also mentions which is linked from the "fandom" page and still seems to be active), it should first be clarified with Langcom if it is accepted as eligible. See m:Language committee/Handbook (requesters) if you want to make a request accordingly. --MF-W {a, b} 23:39, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FYI, someone submitted m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Toki Pona 2. Probably the discussions can be continued at that page instead. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I am not allowed to create a talk page for a Coptic page. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can edit it now. --MF-W {a, b} 23:40, 4 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! So, it seems that every user should be unblocked one by one to be allowed to add pages. Since when? --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, this is not the case. --MF-W {a, b} 11:45, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was unlucky, I think :) --Mahmudmasri (talk) 11:50, 5 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wanted to start a new language edition

I wanted to start a couple of pages in the newly accepted language at SIL International. Code is rsk name of language is Ruthenian or Rusyn. But the incubator did not allow me to post the text and then save it. Please help me start an incubator project.

Keresturec — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keresturec (discussioncontribs) 03:33, 6 February 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

rue: already exists. If you think the newly recognized Pannonian Rusyn (rsk) should have an own wiki, please create a request on Meta first. --MF-W {a, b} 14:39, 6 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I started to creat a request on Meta but if I filled /Wikipedia Ruthenian I didn't get normal form for request then some filled form by the unknown author. How I can get regular, clear request form with questions Keresturec (talk) 04:44, 19 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please create it at m:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Pannonian_Rusyn 2 in this case. -- MF-W {a, b} 17:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For the record: Abusefilter was adjusted. --MF-W {a, b} 01:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome template translation from cs to en

Hello, I translated the Welcome template from English to Czech, can you please move my user subpage to the approrpiate template translated page? Thank you. — Polda18 (talkcontribs) 08:48, 6 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Danny B.: Could you please check this translation and move the page if you find it fitting? - Xbspiro (talk) 05:05, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Danny B. 10:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leftover pages to be deleted

These read-only pages seem to have been left over after ja.wy got exported (they got imported on the other side):

- Xbspiro (talk) 15:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 16:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Under the same token:

- Xbspiro (talk) 00:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also done. -- MF-W {a, b} 03:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Importing templates to Middle English Wikipedia

Could you please import Template:Main from English Wikipedia to Template:Wp/enm/Mayne Page and Template:See also also for English Wikipedia to Wp/enm/See also]? Thanks in advance, -📜GIFNK📖DLM💻MMXX🏰 (TALK🎙 | CONTRIBS) 16:48, 10 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unable to create an infopage for Wb/ha

I've tried to create an infopage for the Hausa Wikibooks, but I get the "You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code" error message. I guess the 693-3 code is preferred, but Hausa apparently uses "ha" on Wikimedia. I have just moved content out of Wb/ha, so I am a bit puzzled. - Xbspiro (talk) 23:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's just a problem of our abusefilter, but since these pages don't often need to be created, I figured we could live with it. It's created now. --MF-W {a, b} 11:52, 18 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks. - Xbspiro (talk) 22:58, 18 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Realization of the "autotranslate mode" for some help pages

Dear colleagues, are there any objections to moving here the "Autotranslate" template/module and also the "Mediawiki:Lang/*" message group? This is needs for realization of the "autotranslate mode" for some help pages (e.g. for display translations of the "/top" subpages for this noticeboard and also for Incubator:Administrators). --Kaganer (talk) 11:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm fine with it. --Minorax«¦talk¦» 14:58, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why is the Montenegrin incubator inoperable?

I want to create Wp/cnr/ articles in Montenegrin in vain. Does not work. The answer: Error: You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code. This code either is not valid or does not belong to a language accepted for new Wikimedia projects. If you came here from any other page, please return back and fix the link and then create the correctly named page. If by any chance this is blocking you from creating any page which you think has a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code or belongs to an accepted language, please let administrators know. Doncsecz~enwiki (talk) 14:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Doncsecz~enwiki: What's the page that you are trying to create? --Minorax«¦talk¦» 14:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Minorax: Wp/cnr/Agram 2000, Wp/cnr/Amerikanski Crnogorci. In fact, I am unable to do any other article under Wp/cnr. Doncsecz~enwiki (talk)
This is because the project has been rejected by Langcom already. --MF-W {a, b} 17:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@MF-Warburg: Do I understand that there will be no Wikipedia in Montenegrin? Doncsecz~enwiki (talk) 18:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. --MF-W {a, b} 19:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pardon, I don't know if commenting here would bother you or not, but it looks like the 5th Wikipedia Montenegrin request isn't rejected yet, though I would also agree with its potential rejection. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error message when trying to create a new page in Ottoman Turkish (ota)

Despite the ISO 639-1 code being correct, I get an error message telling me that I'm using a non valid ISO code when I try to create a new page in Ottoman Turkish. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elteriş (discussioncontribs) 15:13, 20 February 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Extinct languages are not eligible. --MF-W {a, b} 17:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh okay thank you for your answer but isn't there a project for Ancient Greek ? Also can't we still create some articles just for the historical and cultural interest ? Elteriş (talk) 20:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]



rsk is a recently approved ISO 639 code for Pannonian Rusyn. A contributor is trying to create an Incubator in it, and it's blocked.

My impression is that it's sufficiently distinct and can be created. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:03, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See already above at #I wanted to start a new language edition. --MF-W {a, b} 17:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, thanks. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For the record: Abusefilter was adjusted. --MF-W {a, b} 01:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just noticed this had been created, apparently last year. I can edit that page, but trying to edit the redlinked page gets me an error. Arlo Barnes (talk) 07:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is because we have now restricted the creation of pages in languages which are not recognized as individual, living languages, so that their eligibility can be clarified first. Please make a request on Meta (linked from Wp/ldn). --MF-W {a, b} 16:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm confused, isn't that for 'graduating' from Incubator? meta:language proposal policy says "[...] there is an active test project on the Multilingual Wikisource (Wikisource only), Beta Wikiversity (Wikiversity only), or the Incubator (all other projects). A project must start on one of these wikis. This will demonstrate that there is sufficient community to build the project." so I'm unclear which is the cart and which is the horse here. Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are two steps, "eligibility" and "final approval". The latter is about leaving Incubator and getting an own wiki, but the former is about the language itself. See there for some notes about artificial languages already. --MF-W {a, b} 14:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, thanks; I've created the page with the template. Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Swahili Wikiquote page publishing error

Hello there, Recently I was trying to publish a new page in the Swahili Wikiquotes I received the following error:

"Something went wrong You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code.

This code either is not valid or does not belong to a language accepted for new Wikimedia projects.

If you came here from any other page, please return back and fix the link and then create the correctly named page. If by any chance this is blocking you from creating any page which you think has a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code or belongs to an accepted language, please let administrators know"

Kindly assist me with this!

--Magotech (talk) 10:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for reporting, this was fixed. -- MF-W {a, b} 12:29, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you Magotech (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Permit me to edit

Hi. Kindly allow me publish my edit. I'm a new user under the Igbo user group.Amaklaka (talk) 13:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Amaklaka: please try again now. --MF-W {a, b} 16:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cannot create new page for Wp/tvx

Whenever I try to create a new page for Wp/tvx, it's rejected with an error message:

"You are trying to create a page without a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code. This code either is not valid or does not belong to a language accepted for new Wikimedia projects.

If you came here from any other page, please return back and fix the link and then create the correctly named page. If by any chance this is blocking you from creating any page which you think has a valid ISO 639-1 or -3 code or belongs to an accepted language, please let administrators know."

The code tvx is a valid ISO 639-3 for sure. It's a dormant language under revitalization and we are even going to teach the language in a school this year. Does anyone know how to fix this? Thanks a lot!--Bellenion (talk) 16:26, 11 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. tvx is assigned an ISO 639-3 code, but its creation is blocked because it is an extinct language. Please see this link. --Sotiale (talk) 09:11, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, can anyone let me know why I’m blocked from creating wp/yol. This links to the ISO 639-3 code which has been valid since 2009. I had been previously able to edit the pages but it’s been blocked for months now, and I’ve received minimal information on why. I was told its because it is extinct, but seeing as thats not an accurate descriptor of the current situation I dont see why a test project on the incubator can’t be allowed. For example, Old Prussian, a language that is in the same situation as Yola, being a previously extinct language with a dedicated revival has a test project on incubator. Any comments on why this is, even if they may seem harsh to the revival movement would be appreciated as we simply don’t know why it is not able to be created, I have had other people reach out to me expressing a desire to help with the project as well, so relaying this information to them is important. --MichaelDMelvin23 (talk) 14:25, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, I am trying to create articles in Yola as well and it doesn't let me. I believe some administrator needs to give us permission to write using that code so I would like to request it as well. The language has an ISO code so I believe there shouldn't be any problem with that. --Caro de Segeda (talk) 14:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Extinct languages, as has been pointed out to you before, are not allowed for new Wikipedias (see the language proposal policy). Some test-wikis exist here on Incubator for them, but they are relics from before we could enforce this rule automatically. They will eventually be deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 22:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But the thing is that it is not extinct. It has been revived and there are speakers using this language. Caro de Segeda (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please convince SIL of that. --MF-W {a, b} 16:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seem to be block evasion by NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh (talk) 01:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A block has been issued. --MF-W {a, b} 11:51, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protect User talk:Dvdstndvd

Hello, ⁣ Please protect User talk:Dvdstndvd because of vandalism. Thank you. EthanGaming7640 01:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's not necessary for the moment. --MF-W {a, b} 08:41, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]