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Interslavic transliteration
[edit source]Hey Iohanen, thank you once again for your great help with Interslavic transliteration! With regard to this, I have another question, but since this has nothing to do with import requests anymore, I'll ask it here instead.
Automated transliteration is a great thing, but sometimes there are situations when it's best to program both orthographies separately. I'll give you an example: the name Joe Biden should become Джо Бајден in Cyrillic and definitely NOT Јое Биден. Cyrillic just doesn't work like that. The only way to avoid that problem is to write Džo Bajden in Latin orthography, but that makes it look like transliterated Cyrillic. I know there are a few languages that actually work like that, for example Azerbaydzhani, but if there's even the slightest possibility, I'd rather avoid it...
So here's my question: do you know if is there a way for a page to "know" which orthography is currently being used, and can this be handled by sending a variable to an inline template? Something like {{t|Joe Bidena|Джо Бајден}}?
I've been wondering about this for a long time, but unfortunately, my own programming abilities are far from sufficient to solve this kind of problems! I'll be grateful for any help in this matter!
Best regards, IJzeren Jan (talk) 22:05, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @IJzeren Jan ;). Well, the problem with this question is that the transliterator would always override the preferred orthography and the template is not able to identify which orthography is currently being used, I can't really think of a way around this... But if I'm able to, I'll certainly come back and tell you, but for now I can't think of a solution ;(
Best regards, Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)- Yes, I was afraid it's going to be complicated. I've been looking at other Wikipedias with multiple orthopgrahies, like Serbian and Serbo-Croatian, but they don't seem to have anything like this. Although, that's not entirely true. On sr:Konjugovani sistem I found something like this:
ko-{sr-ec:нј;sr-el:nj;sr:nj}-ugovani, a trick used to avoid nj being transliterated as њ. Using this trick, I can make it work even for Joe Biden: sr:Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. So I was wondering if something similar could be done for Interslavic, too. Since we do have a template to prevent transliteration (Template:Wp/isv/-), perhaps the opposite could be done as well. Cheers, IJzeren Jan (talk) 23:42, 7 September 2024 (UTC)- I think that one works because it is directly implemented in the software, that's why. But I think that something like that could actually be done after getting a Wikipedia ;). For now, I'll try to think of a temporary solution for it :) Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 23:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- You're the best! :)) Cheers, IJzeren Jan (talk) 23:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yay! I works perfectly! And the doubling problem has been solved as well. Cheers,
IJzeren Jan (besěda) 23:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Great! ;) Best regards, Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 23:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yay! I works perfectly! And the doubling problem has been solved as well. Cheers,
- You're the best! :)) Cheers, IJzeren Jan (talk) 23:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think that one works because it is directly implemented in the software, that's why. But I think that something like that could actually be done after getting a Wikipedia ;). For now, I'll try to think of a temporary solution for it :) Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 23:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was afraid it's going to be complicated. I've been looking at other Wikipedias with multiple orthopgrahies, like Serbian and Serbo-Croatian, but they don't seem to have anything like this. Although, that's not entirely true. On sr:Konjugovani sistem I found something like this:
Hi Iohanen, may I bother you with one more question? I always work in the skin Vector Legacy (2010), and there everything works fine. However, I noticed that in Vector 2022 (the one that has been set as default a while ago) the option Latin/Cyrillic is not showing. Do you perhaps know how that can be fixed? Cheers, 
IJzeren Jan (besěda) 20:13, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll check it! Thank you for point it out ;). Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @IJzeren Jan: I couldn't find an origin to the problem. Maybe it's related to the Vector 2022 skin itself? I tested the Medžuviki transliterator and it also wouldn't work on the Vector 2022 skin. You could leave a message box in the Main page of Interslavic telling people to use Vector Legacy though. I'd recommend you to reach @Jon Harald Søby because he is much more experienced in JavaScript than me, I'm better dealing with Modules and Templates (which use Wikicode or Lua), although I'm able to read JavaScript ;).
Best regards, Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 23:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)- Thanks, I'll do that! Cheers, IJzeren Jan (besěda) 19:56, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll do that! Cheers,
Are you want to say that those three pages were "written" in Northern Altai, and they're not a vandalism in Turkish? Таёжный лес (talk) 16:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Таёжный лес: I'm not able to know if they are Northern Altai or Turkish, I left those pages because they were written in Cyrillic and therefore looked more legitimate than the others written in Latin alphabet. Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 18:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wp/atv/Araatı, Wp/atv/Arı and Wp/atv/Börü? Таёжный лес (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Таёжный лес: Those I left because they had more content than the ones I was deleting. If you do know they are not Northern Altai, warn me and I'll delete them Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I definitely know they are not Northern, Southern or any different Altay variant. Таёжный лес (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Таёжный лес: Done. Do you think the Cyrillic ones are not Northern Altai too? Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have suspicions about some of the pages that they are written in the Southern variant, but I will work at this issue pointwise. Anyway, thanks a lot. Таёжный лес (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Таёжный лес: Done. Do you think the Cyrillic ones are not Northern Altai too? Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 19:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I definitely know they are not Northern, Southern or any different Altay variant. Таёжный лес (talk) 19:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Таёжный лес: Those I left because they had more content than the ones I was deleting. If you do know they are not Northern Altai, warn me and I'll delete them Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wp/atv/Araatı, Wp/atv/Arı and Wp/atv/Börü? Таёжный лес (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Request for recreation of the Rana Tharu language Wikipedia incubator
[edit source]Hi @Iohanen, My name is Sadik Shahadu. I am a steering committee member of the Wikimedia Language Diversity Hub. I saw that you recently deleted the Rana Tharu language Wikipedia incubator. The Wikimedia language diversity hub has identified some volunteers of the Rana Tharu language during the Global Voices summit, and we are willing to help them build a stronger community. We Kindly as that, we recreate the text wiki for them. Or should I go ahead to recreate it here ? Shahadusadik (talk) 04:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, you can go ahead an recreate it! Please do read Help:Manual if you haven't ;). Iohanen (Garcez) (talk) 04:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Great. Thank you for the support! Shahadusadik (talk) 12:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)