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Hello StevenJ81 and Welcome to Wikimedia Incubator!

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Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 19:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


This template needs an update to reflect the move to Miraheze, but in its present form that most likely will require somekind of #if-switch that functions as "{{wikia|incubatorplus:Wp/X}}" replacing "[[:wikia:incubatorplus:Wp/X|...]]" with "[[:miraheze:incubator:Wp/X|...]]", if that shortcut works. This is way above my wiki skills though. --OWTB (talk) 12:43, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

wp/nys origins/nyitting[edit]

I would have thought AGF was valid here as well, the reason for page move to user space is because the terms arent sufficiently equal between english and nyungar. Origins in engish is where it started, nyitting in nyungar also referred to as dreamtime in english{another inaccuracy) as has also been called the cold times also not accurate, but closer to physical time point. I didnt leave redirect behind because I dont like redirects to userspace, the articles are in user space because Darwins theory of evolution doesnt equal nyitting, one is the development of people(physical) and the other is the development of a peoples culture. With nyungar the "stories" of nyitting and cultural development are also reflecting geographic history from fault lines shifting, to glaciers melting, and sea levels rising. Gnangarra (talk) 03:08, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gnangarra: It wasn't a matter of AGF at all, and I'm sorry you took it that way. I was simply trying to make things easier for you: I thought you could potentially move the page to wherever in mainspace you really think it should go and then start editing there. But you can do it in user space if you prefer, I have no problem with that. I also have no problem with your not leaving a redirect behind if that's what you prefer. The only (small) problem was that the move left behind broken redirects in the original location (Wp/nys/Origins and Talk:Wp/nys/Origins). Any time you move or delete a page (either one), it's simply worthwhile to check incoming links first to make sure you are not going to break something. (Click on "What links here" at the left of the page to find out.) That's all. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Redlinks arent broken links, they are links to articles where appropriate content needs to be written. The content that was put there doesnt fit the translation from english to nyungar. Gnangarra (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
@Gnangarra: I'm not intending to argue with you, and nothing you say is wrong, exactly. However, know that if I find a redirect that (a) is broken (i.e., its target is gone) and (b) has no incoming links, I will delete it as part of routine cleanup. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:41, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Saraiki Wikipedia[edit]

Dear, What are updates about Saraiki Wikipedia.Sraiki (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I was about to write you. Please look in about 30 minutes at Talk:Wp/skr/پہلا پرت. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Dear Sraiki (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear StevenJ81 I am happy to know that Language Com: is working on it. Kindly this be approved as soon as possible, please.Sraiki (talk) 14:11, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@Sraiki: You're welcome. Just to keep your expectations reasonable: (1) It may take another week or two to finalize approval. (2) After that, it will still take some time to create the wiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Tue Oct 8 17:00:14 UTC 2019, A committee member Satdeep Gill Wrote: I have checked multiple pages and they are definitely not Urdu and look

Saraiki to me. Saraiki is similar to Punjabi so I can understand it and confirm that this looks legitimate to me. see: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/langcom/2019-October/002476.html Sraiki (talk) 13:22, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sraiki: We're aware of this. We're trying to finalize things. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:32, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81:, Thanks for pushing Saraiki Wiktionary. As Saraiki is phonetic language, i.e. written according to sounds and alphabets are according to sound, so there is no need for writing the pronunciation separately. Sufficient work has been done. Thanks again.Sraiki (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
@Sraiki: Thank you for that information. Question: Does your Wiktionary have a project page (Wiktionary: namespace page) describing how that works? That would probably be useful and worthwhile to have. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Thanks, Namespace page will be similar to namespace page of Wikipedia. There is no special Namespace page separately. It is translated in the https://translatewiki.net/. Sraiki (talk) 14:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Dear, Saraiki community is thankful to you for progress in approval of Saraiki Wiktionary. We are also thankful for the approval and language vitrifaction.

Wt/skr/Template:namespaces Sraiki (talk) 16:51, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby:, @StevenJ81:, Dear, Request for the approval of Wt/skr was sent to Lang com: Seven days have been passed. So this be approved please. Sraiki (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I appreciate you efforts for approving Saraiki Wikipedia in language Com: Many thanks for this struggle. I hope that Wt/skr will also be approved along this. Sraiki (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
@Sraiki: I am trying. Thank you for your understanding. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: kindly speedup the process. Sraiki (talk) 15:42, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: kindly speedup the process for the language verification and approve both Wp/skr and Wt/skr please. Sraiki (talk) 15:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby:, @StevenJ81:,

Lang Com: is requested to contact linguists for the verification of language.

  1. Saraiki has ISO 639-3 valid code skr.
  2. Saraiki is language in the census of Pakistan.
  3. Saraiki is a school, college, and University subject.
  4. Saraiki is taught from primary to Ph.D level.
  5. Saraiki has TV channels.
  6. Govt: of Pakistan has made website in Saraiki also.
  7. Saraiki is recognized language by Govt: of Pakistan.
  8. Awards are awarded by Govt: of Pakistan in Saraiki languages books in addition to Punjabi language.
  9. Saraiki news and programs are presented in Saraiki also.
  10. Saraiki language Dictionary are also available since 1881 A.D. An online is this https://www.ijunoon.com/saraiki/dictionary.aspx?word=when
  11. Saraiki translations of Bible and Quran are also available.
  12. All above things are available for Pakistani Western Punjabi as well as Saraiki also.
  13. Saraiki is also language of WordPress. see https://skr.wordpress.org/Sraiki (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Nouvel utilisateur ![edit]

Salut Steven, je n'arrive pas à apprendre à un nouvel utilisateur à utiliser Wikimédia Incubator, pour participer au projet du Wikipédja Gwiyannen !

Tu peux m'aider à l'apprendre à utiliser l'incubateur comme tu avais fais avec moi au début stp, c'est lui : Damien Remisse

PouLagwiyann (talk) 20:53, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Please indef and yank tpa[edit]

here. Praxidicae (talk) 17:13, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Already globally locked, and contributions reversed. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Global CSS for Wp/ary[edit]

Hi Steven, I can't create MediaWiki:Wp/ary/Common.css to set a global CSS for Wp/ary 'cause I don't have permissions. Could you create it by copying my CSS. There are just settings for wraping & for infobox. Thank you in advance for your help.--SADIQUI (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

@SADIQUI: See if it works. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, It works.--SADIQUI (talk) 19:39, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

WP Kotava project (avk)[edit]

The Kotava project should be validated. You have seen the vitality and quality and consistency for over one year. Today it has 4918 articles, making it largely the most dynamic of all WP projects developed in the Incubator.
The open debate on September 26 showed no opposition from any LangCom member. Why wait more? Thank you. Axel xadolik (talk) 16:10, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I just saw your email and your message to JHS. As soon as we clear out Tacawit Wiktionary and Guianan Creole Wikipedia (meaning: as soon as Phabricator tasks for creating those two are open), I will get back to Kotava. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much Steven for not forgetting this beautiful project! Many contributors keep asking me when it will finally be formalized. Axel xadolik (talk) 16:19, 12 November 2019 (UTC) :)
I think you now understand that some members of LangCom have very particular views about certain things, and I try to manage that accordingly. Having JHS working hard with me on this helps me a lot. Your turn is coming ... StevenJ81 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
MF-W just asked (in the LangCom list): 'Is there some proof here of any of: "independently proved number of speakers, use as an auxiliary language outside of online communities created solely for the purpose, usage outside of Wikimedia, publication of works in the language for general sale", as suggested by the admirable Language Proposal Policy?' So please be prepared to respond to that. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

What does independent proof mean in such a context? There is obviously no official census or academic Kotava exam that would validate a competence. For this reason, the numbers are necessarily estimations and they continue to evolve for 40 years, positively or negatively. What I can currently factually say:
- 10/12 active contributors on Incubator (cf. page here), who can handle a good conversation in Kotava, writing articles (without many mistakes);
- Outside, I would say between 30 and 40 people of the same level, and especially most of those with 4th or 5th level (the very fluent speakers, especially those who translate literature);
- Beyond this circle "known" and qualitative, the number of 200 to 300 people is often advanced for many people who know a little the language, currently. Otherwise, perhaps 1000 or 2000 learned it a little at a time, but a lot have completely abandoned since, especially in Africa in the 2000s.
One thing also to consider is that Kotava is an aprioristic language, unlike other constructed languages as Interlingua, Interlingue or Lingua Franca Nova. This means that those who learn Kotava are much more motivated than those who are interested in these languages, which seem to them (especially for Europeans) much easier but do not go into much depth.
This is why the production figures of real content (translations of works, encyclopedic articles, original videos, blogs in the language, etc.) are much more significant indicators than the number of followers on this or that network, for example. Or than the noise and buzz about... Axel xadolik (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


Do you blocked me?? Md Tanbir Islam 19:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Md Tanbir Islam: No. I don't see a record of anyone having blocked you. I did move some pages you created, because they weren't appropriately named for Incubator. But no one has blocked you here as far as I can tell. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


Oh thank you.But at firstly when i logging into Wikipedia then i got a many functional Home page.But now i can't see it.Please do something. Md Tanbir Islam 00:23, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


Sir.Please reply me. Md Tanbir Islam 11:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@Md Tanbir Islam: I'm not sure what you're telling me, and this is not really a help desk. I'm not sure what "many functional home page" you're even referring to: Your user page? (And if so, on what project? Incubator? Wikipedia?) The main page of the project? (Again, which project?) Best place to get help is at the tech support desks of Meta and English Wikipedia. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:12, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


I am really sorry about my misunderstanding. And again thank you so much. Md Tanbir Islam 17:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC)