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Йаҡшымысыс DaveZ123! Can you help me? How to create a Babel (#babel:sty|ru|en-2; Template:Userbox/sty) for Siberian Tatar? What needs to be translate into Siberian Tatar?

Done Done. --DaveZ123 (talk) 07:14, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Lingua ladina dolomitica

Scusa se non ti ho risposto, ma io sto dando una mano all'incubator in lingua ladina dolomitica, ma non parlo ladino. Ho visto con piacere che User:Starladin ha già effettuato la traduzione.-Mizardellorsa (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Can you help editing?

I started the programs of Manchu Wikinews/Even Wikivoyage, Even Wiktionary/Even Wikibooks, Evenki Wiktionary/Evenki Wikibooks, Oroqen Wiktionary/Oroqen Wiktionary/Oroqen Wikibooks, Negidal Wiktionary/Negidal Wiktionary/Negidal Wikibooks, Udege Wiktionary/Udege Wikibooks, Oroch Wiktionary/Oroch Wiktionary/Oroch Wikibooks, Nanai Wiktionary/Nanai Wikibooks, Ulch Wiktionary/Ulch Wiktionary/Ulch Wikibooks, Orok Wiktionary/Orok Wikibooks on 14th July, 2020. If you know at least one of these Tungusic languages, can you help editing some of them in this list? --MiiCii (talk) last edited at 02:34, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

We sent you an e-mail

Hello DaveZ123,

Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email surveys@wikimedia.org.

You can see my explanation here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Pagdagdag ng template

Pwede ka bang magdagdag ng template ng wika sa itong artikulo. Iyong "language template' tungkol sa Wikang Tausug. --Jamilah Rasin (talk) 05:08, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Jamilah Rasin: Lumikha ako ng isang pinasimple na template sa artikulong iyon. Maaari mo na ngayong isalin ang template na iyon sa wika ng Tausug.

Ako ay magiging abala para sa mga sumusunod na araw at linggo kaya kung mayroon kang anumang mga karagdagang katanungan, mangyaring tanungin sila sa Portal ng Komunidad (mangyaring tanungin sila sa ingles sapagkat hindi sila nagsasalita ng tagalog). --DaveZ123 (talk) 08:50, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

کمک

سلام. خوب هستید؟ وقتتان خوش. آیا من میتوانم به شما در توسعه ویکی پدیای وخی کمک کنم؟ Parsehos (talk) 12:15, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Wp/hmd listed at Requests for deletions

An editor has identified a potential problem with one of your test projects contributed Wp/hmd and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Incubator:Requests for deletions/Requests#Two incubators in Hmong varieties until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Wp/dar listed at Requests for deletions

An editor has identified a potential problem with one of your test projects contributed Wp/dar and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Incubator:Requests for deletions/Requests#Wp/dar until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion.Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: I do not speak that language so he is probably right that some articles written in Russian could be deleted. Please note that I was not the original author of those articles that he had recently tagged for deletion. But why not just move the article to the correct article name and replace the content with genuine Dargin content? (then the incorrect name can either be deleted or act as a permanent redirected page). As that user had pointed out, Dargin has two main dialects so if an article is written correctly in either of the two dialects then it can remain there. --DaveZ123 (talk) 08:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, I would suggest you to withdraw your "Strong oppose" comment under Wp/sxu section, due to that mailing list suggested that Upper Saxon has no different from Standard German on linguistic level (or are you really wanna debate it?) Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: Which mailing list? --DaveZ123 (talk) 05:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

here Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: I am willing to remove my objection if and when such a German to sxu convertor is actually created, properly tested and permanently implemented onto German Wikipedia by one of the German Wikipedia Bureaucrats.

For example, Andalusian Wikipedia converts all the Spanish Wikipdia content into Andalusian.

Of course, Andalusian does not have an existing ISO 693-3 code whereas sxu does. --DaveZ123 (talk) 06:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Can you help with the template?

I see that you are very knowledgeable about Wikipedia, can you please help me with the Template:Wp/dlg/NUMOFARTICLES template? Sauit (talk) 05:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Done,@Sauit:, any other questions or help on other templates, feel free to ask me. --DaveZ123 (talk) 10:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

sgh

Hi,

You have been nearly the only contributor to the Shughni Incubator at wp/sgh.

How well do you actually know this language? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:55, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Amir E. Aharoni, the Shughni articles were based on translations from User:Chixiijak whom is a native speaker of Shughni. He does check through the articles that I have created and makes corrections to some names (mainly placenames) where he considers a better Shughni translation can be made. Bear in mind that most article names were based on his translations in the first place. He did actually create a new article here.

In my honest opinion, in order for this Wikipedia to be eligible for creation as a real Wikipedia, it would still need to meet the usual requirements such as:

1. translation of all the most-used interface messages (approx. 500?) at Translatewiki. They would need to Create an Account at TranslateWiki. This would be the hypothetical Translatewiki url link for Shughni latin:

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&task=untranslated&group=core-0-mostused&language=sgh-latn&filter=%21translated&action=translate

(the native speakers would need to go through the hurdles of asking the sgh code to be enabled at Translatewiki)

2. Create new articles and perhaps expand on existing ones (I encourage native speakers to also create new articles as well; this should be the long term goal).

3. Invite at least two other Shughni speakers to contribute here (Chixiijak can invite other Shughni users to contribute here or another Shughni person can independently discover this site themselves and start editing here).

I think #1 is the main hurdle because the sgh code is not yet enabled at Translatewiki and User:Chixiijak is not yet aware of the existence of Translatewiki. --DaveZ123 (talk) 09:51, 13 October 2025 (UTC) (P.S. If you can kindly help ask the Admins at Translatewiki to create the sgh-latn code for translating the most used interface messages then that would help enable their translations to start sooner.)

To enable a language in translatewiki, he should create an account and ask for it on the page translatewiki:Support.

I recommend not creating a lot of articles with almost the same text about countries, cities, and elements, but creating more varied articles about various things. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I’m a native speaker of Shughni and have been checking the articles for correctness. Thank you for the advice, I’ll look into Translatewiki and see about enabling sgh-latn. Chixiijak (talk) 23:34, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Good. Please create an account at https://translatewiki.net. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:38, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Lisu; Description

ꓚꓵ.. ꓚꓵ.. ꓟ ꓬꓰ‐ꓢꓴ ꓘꓴ.,ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ

"ꓚꓵ.. ꓚꓵ..ꓟ ꓬꓰ‐ꓢꓴ ꓘꓴ.,ꓜꓲ; ꓛꓳ" ꓠꓬ 1917 ꓘꓳ. ꓕꓯꓼ ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓑꓰ‐ꓙꓲ, ꓡꓳ..ꓒꓱ..ꓗꓪ ꓔꓶ: ꓔ.. ꓢꓲ., ꓗꓷ:, ꓔ ꓟ ꓘꓴ.,ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓧ.. ꓟꓶ ꓦꓬ. ꓠꓬꓲꓽ, ꓗꓪ ꓠꓬ., ꓟꓵꓼ 60 ꓟꓵꓼ ꓗꓪ ꓘꓴ.,ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ ꓢꓲꓽ ꓤ ꓮ ꓙꓴꓽ ꓕꓲ. ꓦꓬ.,ꓥꓪ ꓞꓲ..ꓟꓶꓽ (150 ꓟꓶꓽ) ꓜꓳ,ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓕꓲ.. ꓘꓴ., ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ ꓠꓬ 2 ꓔꓴ ꓘꓳ. (20 ꓦꓬ.,ꓘꓳ.) ꓗꓪ ꓓꓳ..ꓡ, ꓟ 50 ꓠꓬꓲ ꓑꓮꓲ ꓜꓴ ꓜꓲ  ꓦ.,ꓡꓱ..ꓢꓴ ꓐꓴꓼ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ 1992 ꓘꓳ.ꓔꓯ., ꓟꓬ.,ꓟꓽ ꓗꓮꓲ..ꓗꓪ ꓕꓲ..ꓘꓴ.,ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ ꓔꓯ.. ꓔꓶꓽ ꓔ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓬꓰ‐ꓢꓴ ꓠꓬꓲ.,ꓧꓪ,ꓕꓲꓽ ꓧꓪ, ꓟ..ꓬ.ꓡꓽ ꓕꓯ.,ꓡꓲ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓗꓳ ꓓꓴꓼ ꓓꓴꓼ ꓗꓪ..ꓶꓽ,ꓥꓳ ꓫꓬꓱꓼ ꓥꓳ ꓐꓯ..ꓟ, ꓖꓶꓽ ꓠ.,ꓟ ꓬꓲꓽ ꓔꓽ,ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓕꓲ.. ꓘꓴ., ꓜꓲꓼ ꓛꓳ ꓙꓵ., ꓘꓳ., ꓣꓴ ꓔ.. ꓟ ꓘꓶꓽ ꓛꓬ., 10 ꓛꓬ., ꓠꓬ ꓕꓱ., ꓡꓱ ꓥ ꓡꓳ‐

* ꓢꓲ‐ꓫꓬ‐ꓟ‐ꓦ

* ꓖꓳ ꓓꓱ ꓔꓲ,ꓟ

* ꓛꓲ ꓒꓯ ꓞꓲꓽ ꓟ

* ꓢꓲ ꓫꓬ ꓟ ꓜ..ꓡꓯꓽ ꓗꓳꓼ ꓟ

* ꓠꓽ ꓦꓬ ꓠꓬꓲ

* ꓢꓲ‐ꓒ‐ꓬꓰ‐ꓢꓴ

* ꓢꓲ ꓫꓬ ꓕꓳ ꓶ

* ꓢꓯꓼ ꓟꓬ ꓝ

* ꓪ..ꓘꓴꓽ ꓦꓲ

* ꓡꓳ, ꓬꓰ. ꓟ ꓐꓯ ꓟꓴ ꓘꓶ Maymudra (talk) 01:12, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi! Here is the translation of "True Jesus Church" in Lisu language. I hope this will be helpful for creating the Lisu Wikipedia. I look forward to hearing from you soon

best Maymudra (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Lis1B; Description:

ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵ ꓠꓬ ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ , ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓟꓶꓽ ꓞ ꓖꓳ ꓗꓶꓽ ꓖꓴ., ꓟꓵ. ꓕꓲ ꓛꓱ ꓗꓪ.,  , ꓕꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓐꓰ.. ꓮꓰ‐ꓓꓲ‐ꓬꓮ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓮ‐ꓬꓴ‐ꓠ‐ꓛꓯ‐ꓑ‐ꓬꓮ‐ꓓꓰ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓪꓽ ꓚꓲ ꓪꓽ ꓐꓽ ꓗꓪ ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓔꓲ‐ꓐꓯ ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓛꓳ ꓫꓵ ꓕꓲ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿

ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ ‐ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ 730,000 ꓣꓳ ꓖ ꓡꓯ. ꓖ ꓞꓲꓽ ꓠꓬ ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ , ꓬꓴ‐ꓠꓮꓠ ꓐꓰ.. ꓢꓰ‐ꓛꓪꓳ ꓡꓳ.. ꓒꓱ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓡꓲ‐ꓜꓯ ( Lijiang ) , ꓑ‐ꓫꓯ ( Baoshan ) , ꓠꓵ‐ꓙꓮ ( Nujiang) , ꓓꓲ‐ꓛꓲ ( Deqen )ꓐꓰ.. ꓓꓲ‐ꓧꓳ ( Dehong ) ꓡꓳ.. ꓒꓱ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓔꓬ, ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵ ꓠꓽ ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓗꓪ ꓐꓰ.. ꓬꓱ. ꓔ ꓟ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ 56 ꓫꓵ: ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓕꓲ: ꓫꓵ: ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿

ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ‐ ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓗꓪ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ ꓐꓴ ꓔꓯ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ 135 ꓫꓵ ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓕꓲ ꓫꓵ ꓐꓰ.. ꓬꓱ. ꓔ ꓢꓲ.. ꓮ ꓙꓵ 600,000 ꓣꓳ ꓖ ꓡꓯ. ꓖ ꓞꓲꓽ ꓙꓳˍ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ ꓐꓴ ꓠꓬ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓖꓴ., ꓪꓴ. ꓔꓯ ꓛꓱ , ꓟꓬ ꓠꓬꓲ.. ꓠꓽ ꓞꓳꓽ ꓒ ꓟꓵꓽ/Kachin State ( ꓐꓴ‐ꓔꓮ‐ꓳ , ꓟꓲ‐ꓙꓲ‐ꓠꓮ , ꓔꓮ‐ꓠꓮꓲ , ꓪꓮꓲ‐ꓟꓳ , ꓐ‐ꓟꓳ) , ꓫꓬ ꓟꓵ/ Shan State ( ꓟꓳ‐ꓟꓲ , ꓠꓮ‐ꓟ‐ꓢꓮ , ꓡꓮ‐ꓫꓳ , ꓧꓳ‐ꓑꓯ ꓐꓰ.. ꓗꓳ‐ꓗꓮ ), ꓫꓯ ꓟꓵ ꓖꓴ., ꓟꓵ. ꓔꓯ ꓛꓱ / southern Shan State ( ꓠꓮ‐ꓢꓮ , ꓡꓪꓰ‐ꓡꓰ , ꓟꓮꓲ‐ꓔꓳ) , ꓢꓰ‐ꓖꓮꓲ/ Sagaing Division (ꓗ‐ꓔꓮ ꓐꓰ.. ꓗꓯ‐ꓓꓲ) ꓐꓰ.. ꓟ‐ꓓꓲ‐ꓡꓰ/ Mandalay Division (ꓟꓳ‐ꓗꓴ ꓐꓰ.. ꓑꓲ‐ꓳ‐ꓡꓪꓥ) ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓔꓬ, ꓖꓴ., ꓡꓳ꓿

ꓕꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ‐ ꓕꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓗꓪ 55,000 ꓣꓳ ꓖ ꓡꓯ. ꓖ ꓞꓲꓽ ꓔꓬ, ꓢꓲ.. ꓬꓲ ꓪ. ꓐꓴ ꓠ ꓪꓽ ꓚꓲ ꓗꓪ ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ ꓕꓲ. ꓫꓵ ꓗꓪ ꓚꓬ, ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓬꓲ ꓪ. ꓐꓴ ꓠ ꓟꓬ.. ꓠꓬꓲ ꓪꓽ ꓚꓲ ꓪꓽ ꓐꓽ ꓗꓪ ꓔꓬ, ꓡꓳ꓿

ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ ꓔꓶ., ꓟ ‐ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵ ꓗꓪ ꓫꓵꓽ 59 ꓫꓵꓽ ꓕꓯꓽ ꓫꓵ.. ꓟ, ꓠꓲ. ꓙꓳˍ ꓢꓲ.. ꓦꓲ., ꓘꓴ: ꓕꓲ ꓘꓴ: ꓗꓪ ꓚꓲ ꓛꓬ ꓟꓬꓱ.. (ꓟ.. ꓥ ꓠꓬ) ꓚꓲ ꓛꓬ ꓫꓵꓽ [ꓐꓬ ꓒ, ꓥꓪ ꓒ] ꓟꓬꓱ.. ꓙꓳˍ ꓡꓳ꓿ Maymudra (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Let me know when the other translations for Lis1, Lis1A and Lis1B have been completed. -- DaveZ123 (talk) 05:24, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Lisu 1 C; Description:

"ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓥꓳ" ꓠꓬ ꓬꓴ‐ꓠꓮꓠ ꓟꓵꓽ , ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓖꓴ., ꓪꓴ. ꓔꓯ.. ꓛꓱ , ꓕꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓐꓰ.. ꓮꓰ‐ꓓꓲ‐ꓬꓮ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓕꓲ: ꓖ ꓕꓲ: ꓪꓼ ꓗꓪ ꓛꓱꓽ ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓔꓲ‐ꓐꓯ ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ (Tibeto-Burman) ꓥꓳ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓠꓬ ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓖꓴ ꓐꓲ ꓛꓳ ꓢꓷ., ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓬ. ꓮ ꓟꓬ ꓙꓰ ꓙꓳˍ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓧꓪ.. ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ (花傈僳) , ꓑꓮꓲꓽ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ , ꓡꓴ ꓫꓲ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓐꓴ ꓠꓬ ꓧꓶꓼ ꓥꓳ ꓛꓱ., ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓬꓲ., ꓪꓽ ꓐꓴ ꓕꓲ ꓣꓳ ꓛꓳ ꓕꓲ ꓣꓳ ꓛꓱ., ꓡꓯ ꓘꓳ, ꓕꓯ ꓔꓳ: ꓡ ꓓ.. ꓥ ꓟꓲ ꓕꓲꓽ ꓖ.. ꓕꓲꓽ ꓥꓳ ꓠꓬ ꓠꓱ, ꓐꓯ: ꓥꓳ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓐꓲ ꓥꓪ, ꓬꓱ., ꓔ.. ꓟ ꓥꓳ: ꓐꓴ꓾ ꓟꓲ cꓬꓼ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓠꓬ ꓡꓮ‐ꓧꓴ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓐꓰ.. ꓮ‐ꓗꓮ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓐꓴ ꓐꓰ.. ꓠꓰꓽ ꓡꓯ. ꓘꓳ, ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓖꓴ., ꓪꓴ. ꓕꓲꓽ ꓛꓱꓽ ꓥꓳꓽ , ꓕꓲ., ꓫꓲ., ꓠꓯ. ꓕꓲꓽ ꓛꓱꓽ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓐꓰ.. ꓖꓴ., ꓟꓵ. ꓕꓲ., ꓛꓱꓽ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓐꓯ ꓢꓲ.. ꓢ.. ꓜꓲ: ꓐꓱ., ꓦꓲ. ꓠ: ꓢꓲ; ꓠꓬꓲ ꓖꓴ., ꓪꓴ. ꓕꓲꓽ ꓛꓱ ꓟ ꓥꓳ: ꓔꓯ. ꓟꓬ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓬꓱ., ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ , ꓟꓬ‐ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓐꓰ.. ꓔꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓬꓱꓽ ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓡꓳ.. ꓒꓱꓽ ꓐꓴ ꓗꓪ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ ꓪꓴꓽ ꓡꓽ ꓟꓳꓽ ꓡ ꓔꓯ.. ꓟ ꓠ ꓜꓴꓽ ꓜꓲꓼ ꓠꓬꓲ., ꓟ ꓗꓪ ꓟꓽ ꓶ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓱ,.ꓼ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓟꓼ ꓒ ꓠꓬꓲ., ꓣꓳ ꓗꓪ ꓐꓰ., ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓖꓳ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓣꓳ ꓗꓪ ꓐꓰ., ꓞꓳ-ꓤ ꓟꓬꓼ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓢꓷꓹ ꓟ꓾ ꓠꓬ ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓽ ꓶ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓱ,.ꓼ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓜꓴꓽ ꓜꓲꓼ ꓗꓪ ꓟ., ꓟꓼ ꓒ ꓬ‐ꓗꓴ‐ꓳ.ꓩ‐ꓣꓮ‐ꓢꓮ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓬꓲ. ꓪ: ꓟꓵꓽ ꓬꓱ., ꓛꓳꓽ ꓒꓯ,.ꓼ ꓠꓬ ꓟꓲ‐ꓙꓲ‐ꓠꓮ ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓗꓶ‐ꓬꓲ ꓞꓳ., ꓫꓵꓽ ꓟꓼ ꓟꓽ ꓢꓮ‐ꓣꓮ ꓐꓮ‐ꓔꓳ ꓥ ꓢꓲ., , ꓮ‐ꓟꓯ‐ꓬꓲ‐ꓗꓮ ꓖꓳ.. ꓓꓱꓽ ꓔꓲ, ꓶ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓱ,.ꓼ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓜꓴ (American Baptist Mission) ꓗꓪ ꓐꓰ ꓥ ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓟꓼ ꓟꓽ ꓢꓮ‐ꓣꓮ ꓐꓮ‐ꓔꓳ ꓠꓬ 1915 ꓘꓳ. ꓗꓪ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ ꓠ.. ꓠꓬꓲ.. ꓒꓳ, ꓖꓶ: ꓑꓶꓽ ꓐꓳ.. ꓧ.. ꓡꓰ..; ꓡꓳ꓿ ꓮ ꓟꓶ ꓠꓬ "ꓩ‐ꓣꓮ‐ꓢꓮ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ" (Fraser alphabet) ꓐꓰ.. ꓞꓳ-ꓤ ꓟꓬ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓢꓷꓹ ꓟ꓾ ꓕꓳꓽ ꓶꓽ ꓮ ꓙꓵꓽ ꓠ 1939 ꓘꓳ. ꓗꓪ ꓐꓳ ꓓꓳ ꓡꓰ ꓢꓲ. ꓠꓬꓲ ꓦꓬ. ꓠꓬꓲꓽ ꓖꓳ ꓟ ꓗꓪ ꓬꓴ‐ꓠꓮꓠ ꓡꓳ.. ꓒꓱ ꓗꓪ ꓡꓲ‐ꓢꓴ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓮ ꓟꓬ., ꓔꓬ, ꓟꓽ ꓟꓼ ꓒ ꓩ‐ꓣꓮ‐ꓢꓮ ꓟꓬꓱꓽ ꓬꓱꓽ (ꓶ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓱ,.ꓼ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓬꓱ) ꓔꓬ, ꓟ ꓦꓲ., ꓘꓴ ꓐꓴ ꓠꓬ ꓬꓲ.. ꓫꓵ. ꓓꓶꓽ ꓠꓲ. ꓔ.. ꓟ ꓢꓲ ꓫꓬ ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓑꓶꓽ ꓐꓴ ꓔꓯ.. ꓘꓳ ꓣꓴ ꓟꓶꓽ ꓗꓶ, ꓡꓳ꓿ Maymudra (talk) 13:09, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Lisu 1 A; Description:

ꓪꓲ-ꓗꓲ-ꓑꓰ-ꓓꓲ-ꓬꓮ ꓗꓪ ꓐꓰ ꓠꓲꓹ ꓒꓴ ꓒꓴ ꓡꓰ ꓘꓳ ꓣꓴ ꓔꓯꓼ ꓡꓳ= ꓮꓺ ꓟꓼ ꓥ ꓟꓲ ꓬꓲꓺ ꓒꓵ ꓖꓶ ꓟ ꓚꓵꓻ ꓫꓬꓻ ꓜꓳꓽ ꓠꓺ ꓟ ꓬꓲꓺ ꓫꓵ ꓬꓲꓺ ꓙꓰ ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓥ ꓡꓳ=

ꓓꓽ ꓪꓴꓻ ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓗꓳ =

ꓧꓻ ꓟ ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓜꓴꓼ =

ꓠꓬꓲ. ꓠꓬꓲ ꓬꓲ. ꓐꓬꓱꓽ =

ꓠꓴ ꓢꓶ ꓡꓲꓳ ꓪ? =

ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓜꓴꓼ ꓬꓰ ꓫꓵ. ꓫꓬꓹ ꓖ =

ꓪꓲ-ꓗꓲ-ꓑꓰ-ꓓꓲ-ꓬꓮ ꓬꓲ. ꓓꓳ: =

ꓪꓲ-ꓗꓲ-ꓑꓰ-ꓓꓲ-ꓬꓮ ꓗꓪ ꓟ ꓠꓱ. ꓐꓯꓼ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓙꓰ=

ꓟꓬꓽ ꓠꓬꓲ ꓵꓻ ꓖꓺ. =

ꓪꓲ-ꓗꓲ-ꓑꓰ-ꓓꓲ-ꓬꓮ ꓗꓪ ꓓꓳꓻ ꓡꓰ ꓟ ꓕꓳ ꓶ ꓡꓳ. ꓠꓬꓲ ꓡꓯ=

Maymudra (talk) 18:12, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

Lisu 1 B 2; Description:

ꓞꓳ ꓤ ꓟꓬꓻ ꓓꓰꓽ ꓡꓰꓸꓼ ꓟ ꓠꓬꓲ. ꓖꓴꓺ =

ꓥꓳꓽ ꓫꓵꓽ ꓥꓳꓽ ꓙꓰ=

ꓦ ꓡꓱ ꓚꓱꓹ =

ꓗꓴ. ꓙꓲꓽ ꓙꓳꓹ ꓟ ꓞꓳ ꓫꓵꓼ ꓞꓳ ꓙꓰ =

ꓧꓶꓽ ꓟꓵꓼ =

ꓟꓬ-ꓟ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ =

ꓕꓮꓲ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ =

ꓮꓰ‐ꓓꓲ‐ꓬꓮ ꓗꓴꓷꓼ =

2020 ꓞꓳ ꓵꓺ ꓟꓬꓱꓺ ꓖꓳꓻ ꓔ ꓟ=

Maymudra (talk) 18:26, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

Re: Your flag removals

Apologies for the late reply.

I'm sorry I didn't reach out for consensus before the batch change. I really dived into removing flags that day before I realized that there were way too many, and that I should talk before massive changes.

That said, I still insist we remove all the flags.

Using flags to indicate languages is a widely criticized practice, because flags represent countries, not languages.

• I've seen lots of language-flag memes and I would just assume you've seen some, too.
• This is the first time I see a Flag of England hanging alongside "Simple English." I found it hilarious, but I might not if I were an Englishman.
• Using flags and coats of arms of sub-national regions is a bigger problem. I am from China so I know the flags hanging in the "Sinitic Languages" navbox makes no sense; that makes me wonder if others have the same problem. Does anyone notice that File:Wendish Flag.png in the "Slavic Portal" navbox is tagged with a "Fictitious flag" template?
• Suppose we by some miracle had all the sub-national flags right, see w:en:MOS:FLAGRELEVANCE. Yes, the Incubator is not the English Wikipedia, but their arguments are valid and sound, and we would expect the test projects learn from their long-standing practice.

You said that most users would prefer to keep the flags. Should we suppose that true, is it really good for the Wikimedia Movement? Would we attract vexillology inventions or nationalist editing? These are known issues within the Movement, and I'm concerned about making the situation worse.

Despite from the flags issue, I'd say those navboxes are not really well-designed. I understand that the navboxes cost a lot to build, but I think it might be the best for us to delete them, or at least redesign them.

• In English Wikipedia, Anglophone world redirects to English-speaking world, which is on the collection of countries speaking English. So strictly speaking, a language navbox for "Anglophone world" should either (1) only contain the English language, or (2) contain all the languages spoken by the countries, which includes French (Canada), Irish (Ireland) and a lot more.
• OK. I can see that "Jamaican Patois" and "Nigerian Pidgin" are English Creoles and therefore somewhat "English." (I guess that's why someone mistakenly categorized Chinese Pidgin English as "Sinitic.") Old English is the ancestor of English. (So why does Latin only appear in "Mondo Italiano"? It does not seem to be the case that Italian is The descendant of Latin.)

If we are to keep those navboxes, I think it would be best to categorize the projects in two dimensions: countries and language families. But before we do that, let's delete those flags.

Thanks. Happy editing. 魔琴 (talk) 18:53, 8 April 2026 (UTC)

Need your support to save a file on Wikimedia Commons

Hi, I need a quick favor regarding our work on the Karelian Wikipedia Incubator. I uploaded an image to illustrate the article Wp/krl/Holidays, but a Commons moderator has flagged it for deletion. They are claiming it's "spam" and questioning its educational value because of the game's genre. I’ve already argued that the file is a vital example of the Karelian language in modern digital media, but the moderator is being quite tough. It would make a huge difference if you, as a fellow contributor to the Karelian project, could weigh in. Could you please post a brief comment in the deletion discussion? Administrators value the opinion of the community and active editors much more than the uploader’s word. Your confirmation that this file is necessary for the article would be a game-changer.

Thanks a lot for your help! Miro Tuomi (talk) 14:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

I am not an expert in Wikimedia Commons image policy so I really do not know how to change that user's viewpoint on this matter. I see that you have already submitted a "COM:VRT" ticket so the image deletion tagging could eventually be overturned. Not all video game articles need pictures though. I have seen several computer game articles on de.wiki with only the name of the game and no images of game characters, for example this one whereas the English language version of that article does have an image. --DaveZ123 (talk) 06:10, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the reply! Miro Tuomi (talk) 08:51, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

It appears that there are two different versions of Hainamese Romanized

It appears that there are two different versions of Hainamese Romanized. One used in Mô-si dao-it tu sȧg-sʻi-kʻi : Ku-iok hʻai-nâm bʻæ-oe. ; Published: London : Doa Eg-kok Tèg-tu Kho⁵k tó in kâi, 1899

Another used in LÙ-KIA FOK-IM HÁI-NÂM LÔ-MÁ͘ TU THE GOSPEL OF ST. LUKE. Hainanese Romanized.（路加福音海南話羅馬拼音）,1914

The former does not use the letter "z", and the latter does not use the letter "æ". Since few scholars currently study the Romanization of Hainanese, I cannot determine the correspondence between these two Romanizations, perhaps the latter is an improved version of the former, just like the Bàng-uâ-cê (Foochow Romanized), which underwent some kind of improvement; I'm not sure. In addition I cannot determine which dialect they represent, perhaps the answer can only be found after carefully reading these two books and referring to the Wikipedia entries for "Haikou dialect", "Wenchang dialect", and "Bǽh-oe-tu".

It is worth noting that "Bǽh-oe-tu" does not list all the vowels. el caballero de los Leones (talk) 16:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

@唐吉訶德的侍從: Both versions use the letter "æ" so this letter is compatible with both versions. I know this because I had digitized the first sixteen chapters of the Gospel of Luke here (the scanned pages of that bible can be found here). --DaveZ123 (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2026 (UTC)