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Hi, please edit the blacklist and change

(?:(?:Talk|(?:Category|Template)(?: talk)?):)?Wp\/mo.*

because I can't edit Mongondow Wikipedia (lang-code: mog). Thanks. Bennylin 12:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. --MF-W {a, b} 17:47, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

How to change the title of the error?[edit]

Sorry to bad English.

How to change the title, please?

I add a new Wp/pny/Sìchuān shěng, it is wrong. Wp/pny/Sìchuān Shěng is right.

Other titles are wrong(or non-standard), too.(not add by me)

How to correct, Please?

--Hànyǔ Pīnyīn Hǎo 16:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

  • Press a button near "edit" after star-button, there is "rename"--Andrijko Z. 17:16, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks for help, but I cannot find "rename" anywhere, maybe new user is not allowed to use that? (Just guess)--Hànyǔ Pīnyīn Hǎo 17:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
      • Yea, at about 3 days it should changed--Andrijko Z. 18:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

RTL doesn't seem to work[edit]

I think that the RTL gadget doesn't do much. I changed my interface language to Hebrew, enabled the RTL gadget in the preferences, opened the Bahrani Arabic Test Wikipedia and it wasn't RTL.

Can any of the admins please check it? --Amir E. Aharoni 17:47, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I added the gadget in January 2008 for the Monobook skin. Apparently it doesn't work for Vector, and it is also broken for Monobook. Nobody complained before, so apparently it is not much used. SPQRobin 15:00, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
It may become useful when the various incubators in the Arabic script wake up. --Amir E. Aharoni 06:52, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, if someone can fix the gadget.. I might try perhaps. SPQRobin 22:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Gadget has been fixed. You would be able to view the wiki in RTL when you enable the gadget. Hydriz 03:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Jamaican wikipedia[edit]

Hi! What do Jamaican wikipedia need to have its own page? I think we have a lot of articles. Can anybody tell me what more do we need because I'm nott very keen on Wikipedia policies. Thanks for your help. -- 15:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

For the Jamaican Wikipedia, you need to focus on content. So you should find several contributors and work on the test wiki here. The number of articles is not that important, but activity is. SPQRobin 22:00, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Translation Question[edit]

Is there any need of translations for Punjabi Wiki Quote (مکھڑا) and Punjabi Wikitionary (پہلا_صفہ), as now our members are working on these projects and we are determine to make these projects normal soon. Will the translations of ( will be suffice for these projects ? --Khalid Mahmood 18:36, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

You can watch the requirements for the Western Punjabi Wikiquote here and for the Wiktionary here. For both projects, it is needed to translate these and these messages. SPQRobin 13:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody import missing pages?[edit]

Hi, some time ago lv.wikibooks was closed and all content apparently was transfered to incubator. I noticed that everything hasn't been carried over - at least all templates are missing. Can someone fix this? It is not much still a bit annoying to check everything and then copy by hand Xil 12:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Will do, but it may take some time. I've first proposed my receiving the import tool for this purpose on User_talk:MF-Warburg#Import_rights. TeleComNasSprVen 20:47, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
I've now imported the Wikibooks namespace and templates will soon follow. --MF-W {a, b} 17:55, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Maybe here (if it was already in Wiki):MARJORIE-WIKIDudy001 06:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

kr versus kau[edit]

According to the ethnologue for the macrolanguage Kanuri, "kr" seems to be an ISO-code-1 equivalent version of "kau". The test page seems to have been deleted based on this reasoning, and the test moved to Wp/kau instead. But the currently closed wiki is located at Should the "kr" page be blacklisted to point to the proper test page at "kau", or moved back if it is to align with the closed wiki? TeleComNasSprVen 12:21, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

(I fixed this in April but forgot to answer. It should follow ISO 639-1 codes where available, i.e. "kr". SPQRobin 13:42, 25 July 2011 (UTC) )

I can't believe it[edit]

Check this mess, which is created due to this edit. I tried to fix it. But I really don't have that much time to guess what happended there. Au revoir --Glavkos Talk 21:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Danny B., you want I should noinclude it or just create prefixed versions of the template? TeleComNasSprVen 22:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
No, I do not want to noinclude it. It is on purpose and it always has been this way from the very beginning. This is regular and fully intended behavior. Users do not follow rules of Incubator to use prefixes and this is the only way how to make them notify their mistakes and teach them to do things correctly according to the rules.
Danny B. 22:07, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

@ Glavkos: Mess is those pages which use unprefixed templates. Not that category, which intentionally catches all these wrong pages (as well as other red "notifying" categories in wrong pages). So please, before you call something mess, find out about what it is for. Thank you.
Danny B. 22:07, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

What on the hell...I don't care. I am not sure that I will continue to contribute to the project. Whatever!!! Good luck.--Glavkos Talk 22:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
And please remove also my test-admin rights --Glavkos Talk 22:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
So Danny, I assume you want me to create prefixed versions then? And please, try to keep a civil tone. Glavkos, this can easily be fixed per Danny's suggestions above. It's only a minor inconvenience, and not a reason to leave the project. :) TeleComNasSprVen 22:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, please. The text in warning box exactly mentions what is wrong and what should be done to correct it. Actually none of this would happen, if there were no imports, which caused this issues and extra work.
Danny B. 22:49, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Just tell me what is the procedure to remove my test-admin rights--Glavkos Talk 22:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
If you insist though, just wait here patiently, and hopefully a bureaucrat will see your request on this page. TeleComNasSprVen 23:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)


The question is "Is it really necessary to open Wikipedia for Ottoman Language?"

Ottoman is a weird language only used in the bureaucracy of the Ottoman Emperor. I said weird because it uses Turkish Grammar with Arabic and Persian words. Şemsettin Sami the linguist of that era says for Ottoman: "Türk'e okusak anlamaz, Arap'a okusak anlamaz, Acem'e okusak anlamaz; öyleyse bu dil ne dilidir?" (If we read it to a Turk he/she does not understand, if we read it to an Arab he/she does not understand, if we read it to a Persian he/she does not understand neither, So this language is what/whose?")

It's that simple! You cannot find any single person whose mother language is Ottoman. It's only at the official papers of Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Era Literature.(Even in that Era the literature is not just from Ottoman, the best example is the poets of Yunus Emre, today hunders of years later any person easily read and understand the Turkish used in his poems with the exception of a few unused words) Even the remainings of the Ottoman family does not speak Ottoman! — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (discussioncontribs) 21:19, 4 May 2011.

Under the current policy, the Ottoman Wikipedia will not be approved. It has been rejected several times. SPQRobin 14:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Usability and scope of Incubator[edit]

Hi, the language committee met in Berlin a week ago. The Incubator extension will be enabled soon, with our long-wanted test wiki recent changes, and Incubator will be added to the login session within a few days. The LangCom also decided that will be redirected to instead of the current "Wiki does not exist" and even a browser's "Server not found". For this, we will need to figure out how to do automatic templates on Wx/xxx pages or a similar solution.

So, usability will increase for Incubator and it will more serve as a central place where people get redirected to. Another fact is that more and more languages (that don't have a wiki yet) do not have enough speakers for a separate wiki to be viable enough (this is already de facto the case for some wikis here, so far).

This implies that Incubator will no longer serve uniquely as a starting place for new language editions, but also as a more definitive place for smaller communities who can work together easily on this wiki and request help from Incubator admins and use our existing infrastructure.

Does everyone agree with the direction Incubator is going to or does someone have comments/ideas? SPQRobin 14:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

A good idea, and I'll come up with ideas when I have them :) --MF-W {a, b} 21:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Just a small little idea: As what I can understand from what you are trying to say, would be redirected to, shouldn't we redirect it to This way, users that access would be able to see a possible test wiki in their own native language. Hydriz 09:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ideally we need to have the ability to display this site in their native language, but I think &uselang=xx is not a good solution. When you click on a link it defaults back to English. There is an interesting mw:Extension:LanguageSelector but that is "experimental" (although it's used on Translatewiki). SPQRobin 12:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
We could get the extention enabled. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 16:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Importing request: Hungarian Wikinews[edit]

Hi! I hereby request the importing of the recently closed Hungarian Wikinews. (Closure discussion) - Xbspiro 09:40, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for requesting. I have scheduled to import this wiki (together with the Thai Wikinews) around the 30th of May. Other administrators might want to import it for me, which I would not mind. I would try my best to import this wiki as soon as possible, but it is a rather big wiki to import at one time. Hydriz 12:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I find the wiki a little difficult to import. Opening for other importers to help out here. Hydriz 10:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Can I help the process somehow? - Xbspiro 03:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Stock post message.svg Doing...  - Importing is in progress, please hold on. --Hydriz 04:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
We have a user, namely Nyar94, who would like to start editing in the test. How much time will it take to finish the process? - Xbspiro 17:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Sigh.. Why did they close it in the first place :-/ I might import it when I have time, or Hydriz can do it (or someone else). SPQRobin 00:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Problem with language templates[edit]


I don't understand why the Babel templates for qu and qug do not work on my user page : these templates exist already for these languages (see [1]) : do they need to be somehow brought back/committed here from Meta ? Where would I need to commit them so that they work ?

Thanks a lot, --Awkiku 11:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The link to Meta is misleading. Meta and Incubator are two separate wikis so I have imported them from there. Btw, the Babel extension will (hopefully) soon be enabled so we don't have such problems anymore. SPQRobin 18:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, yes, the link from Meta is quite misleading ! --Awkiku 09:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Incubator extension[edit]

The Incubator extension will probably be deployed Monday 6 June. This means we will finally have recent changes per test wiki, and a magic word {{USERTESTWIKI}} based on a preference that will be added to Special:Preferences. SPQRobin 12:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Great tool, thanks ! --Awkiku 09:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Change of Interface language[edit]

Hi, please change my interface language from Ur-اردو to khw-کھوار . I have translated more than 450 interface translation of for Khowar Wikipedia. - User:Rachitrali 14, June 2011 (UTC)

Please see the bottom of this page. SPQRobin 12:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Please add Khowar Language on my preferences[edit]

  • please add khowar languge i.e. khw-کھوار in the Special Preferences. I have translated more than 500 interface messages into khowar language for - Rachitrali 06:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
We cannot do this ourselves. We have to wait until the software is updated here, unfortunately. I might ask the developers if there is a possibility. SPQRobin 12:28, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Sir I know that you cannot do this yourselves. I waiting until the software is updated here. I request you to ask the developers if there is a possibility. Rehmat Aziz Chitrali 09:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

ненеця' тара[edit]

Ненецкий танец не являлся самостоятельным видом традиционного искусства, а входил составной частью в обряды. Однако сегодня, в XXI веке, танец становится самостоятельным жанром искусства, например, появились танцевально-пластические постановки Б. Данилова и его два ненецких танца: девичий — «Звенящие тучейки» и мужской — «Тынзей». Сюжеты их несложны, языком пластики раскрывается труд ненецких женщин мастериц и мужчин оленеводов. В Ненецком Автономном, Ямало-Ненецком автономном округах активно пропагандируют ненецкую культуру танцевальные ансамбли «Хаяр» (НАО), «Сыросэв» (ЯНАО), «Сёёто Ямал» (ЯНАО), «Хэйро» (ДНАО).

Ненэця’ тарава янганя искуства нивы нга , хэбидя пэрма’ пеля нгэвы. Тей яля маня” ёльцьнггана тарава янганя искуства’ пеля хая. Данилов тарарка сер” нгадимя”: перибтя’ тара-« Сензита туцяко”» нябе хасава тара- «Тынзь’». Тикы” тарада” ты пертя” няби сэдорана не манэ” лабта, Ненеця яхана, Ямал-ненеця яха”на, Таймыр яхана ненеця тара” тарана малангода: «Хаяр», «Сэросэв», «Сёёто Ямал», «Хэйро» нгобкад надимде”.

В английском пожалуйста? Ebe123 22:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
This page has been created. Страница создана. Wp/yrk/Ненэця' тара --Comp1089 10:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


This incubator wikipedia has an incorrect ISO 639-3 code, I am not familiar with the Aran language, but LIC is the code for the w:en:Hlai language of the w:en:Li people of w:en:Hainan island, not the Aran language, could an administrator rectify this? Thank you! --Shibo77 02:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It has been deleted. There isn't even an article about en:Aran language on English Wikipedia, so it can be doubted if that language really exists (the pages were written is something that resembled Turkish). Wp/lic should of course be used for a test wikipedia in Hlai language. --MF-W {a, b} 17:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you ! --Shibo77 18:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


A new project page - I:Future planning - was created for discussing certain ideas for changes in Incubator. --MF-W {a, b} 13:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI, Incubator has now been added to the CentralAuth login session. So when logging in globally, you will also be logged in here! SPQRobin 22:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

বাংলাদেশের কবি লিস্টে আমার নাম অন্তর্ভুক্ত করতে চাই , কিভাবে করবো? ~ নুরুন্নাহারশিরীন (


Now that Incubator is added to the CentralAuth login session, it may be a good idea to enable the mw:Extension:NewUserMessage extension. It automatically adds a welcome message to talk pages of new users. I propose $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate = true; and $wgNewUserMinorEdit = false; If no-one objects, I'll submit a bug request. SPQRobin 12:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks harmless, though we should fix up our welcome template to be translated better first, but I support this idea. Hydriz 03:08, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
No problems here, but yes... we should fix our welcome template.... Huib talkAbigor @ meta 07:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I submitted bug 29727. By the time it's enabled, we will certainly have cleaned up the welcome template :) SPQRobin 23:41, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Have we cleaned up the template yet? Its sort of enabled :P Huib talkAbigor @ meta 21:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Whoops, we'll have to do this asap. SPQRobin 21:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I made the system like the main page, so every translation shows all stuff, and I did some updates. The translation link box is shown on the user talk pages as well. SPQRobin 02:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Call for image filter referendum[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own account.

Further details and educational materials will be available shortly. The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will be posted at m:Image filter referendum shortly.

For the coordinating committee,
Robert Harris

Cbrown1023 talk 20:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Main page[edit]

I had been annoyed by the long loading time of our main page. Therefore I wanted to move the list of test wikis to its own page, for a long time. Today I was bold and did it :p Instead I added a link in the sidebar and two prominent links on the main page to the new page, along with some "featured wikis". Regards, SPQRobin 18:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Strong support Very nice design of the main page. Maybe we could totally redesign the main page so that it can look much nicer. :P --Hydriz 06:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I find the current one quite good, but if you have a better suggestion, that's welcome! SPQRobin 12:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Support Nice main page. Vibhijain 13:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Strong support Very nice design of the main page.- [[user_talk:rachitrali|Rehmat Aziz Chitrali]] 10:09, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

fallback language[edit]

Many test wikis do not have already a language file at mediawiki repository and even if a message file in create no fallback language is specified. So most wiki are using english as default fallback language, but i think that this is not the best choice in most cases. My interwikibot also uses the mediawiki fallback languages for most edits, because these bot messages are mostly not translated.

Therefore i have specified some special fallback paths at my own source code for some test wiki (e.g. ady->kbd, frc->fr, grc->el, pse->id, rej->pse, slr->ug ...). These choices are done by my own at the moment after i have read the wiki articles about that language on enwiki or dewiki. But i think it would be much more user friendly if this is specified at this wiki online and can by changed on admin request. My suggestion would be to create messages like Mediawiki:Fallback/ady containing "kbd". These message can be read by my bot and can easly be changed by any admin. But also other solution are possible (e.g. a template parameter) as long as this i computer readable. If a message file is created initionally that data can be used.

Perhaps the fallback language could also be a required field if a new wikipedia test is requested on Incubator:Requests for starting a test. What do you think about this? Merlissimo 13:20, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

A better solution would be to get new languages from early to Incubator. Currently with LocalisationUpdate, existing languages are updated but not new languages. I have been thinking about this for quite some time, but now I added it to my list of topics I want to bring up at Wikimania, so I will propose my plan there :) Also, some fallbacks that you may think is good, might not be wanted by the community/users of that language. For example, for 'grc', if I remember correctly they did *not* want to have Modern Greek as fallback. SPQRobin 20:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I think it is indeed about the willingness of the communities to have a fallback language. As most people here will also understand English this is not (seen as) a big issue, probably, and because also has the function that all users can set personal help languages for translating. --MF-W {a, b} 22:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be a great things to let Incubator import the new languages on a daily basis, would be a simple cron... Doesn't seem like a big deal to me. @Robin, if you have the time I would like to speak at wikimania about the extension :-) Huib talkAbigor @ meta 22:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure, but about what? Because I am planning to ask to update Incubator with some of my new code: info/welcome pages for all Wx/xx pages that aren't created. There will also be a special page that goes to your test wiki's Main Page. SPQRobin 23:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
About the fact that I like your code and maybe I could help with something to make it even better? I'm sure it can grow much bigger. Nothing important orso... Just like it more to speak in real life than on IRC or Mail Huib talkAbigor @ meta 10:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure, great :) Btw, the development page is here. SPQRobin 13:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

On-topic, I have set 'fr' as fallback for 'frc' in trunk (rev:92418 & rev:92419). SPQRobin 00:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Info pages[edit]

Cross-posting from the Incubator mailing list


There is a lot of stuff in development for the Wikimedia Incubator, and I would like to get a part of it enabled on Wikimedia Incubator soon, specifically the info pages or welcome pages ("Wx/xx(x)" pages).

For example < > gives a nice welcome page that refers you to the existing wiki. Pages like < > refer you to the existing wiki as well. It is not possible to edit pages belonging to existing wikis.

Non-existing wikis also have a welcome page:

It directly depends on the list with databases, so at the exact moment a wiki is created, it will no longer be possible to edit Incubator pages of that project (which facilitates importing pages to a new wiki).

Another feature is that < > will refer you directly to the existing wiki.

What is not yet included (coming later):

  • A check for the validity of the language code
  • Alternative codes like bat-smg / sgs => Wp/bat-smg will refer you to the wiki, while Wp/sgs will say it doesn't exist yet
  • Welcome pages for Wikiversity and Wikisource that refer you to the respective wikis
  • Possibility to use the template for test wikis that are actually on Incubator

Any suggestions, ideas, comments, bug reports, etc. are certainly welcome!

Regards, SPQRobin 00:42, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

With the latest changes I made, if your preference is set to Wx/xyz or if the URL contains &testwiki=wx/xyz:
  • a custom logo will be displayed on Wx/xyz pages
  • non-existing Wx/xyz pages will redirect to the real wiki if it exists
  • recent changes is already currently set to limit to changes in wx/xyz pages
SPQRobin 23:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Could you share the details of how to set a custom logo? - Xbspiro 14:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
For full documentation, see mw:Extension:WikimediaIncubator. If it's not clear, please let me know. SPQRobin 22:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I think I lack the skill to understand it. Its a rather technical description. Where can the declaration of those variables be found? - Xbspiro 15:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
If your test wiki preference is set to e.g. Wp/xyz and you are viewing a page belonging to Wp/xyz, a Wikipedia logo will be displayed. This will not be the case for any other page. The default Wikipedia logo can be changed by editing "MediaWiki:Incubator-logo-wp-xyz". Using "&testwiki=wp/xyz" in the URL overrides your test wiki preference (similar to "&uselang=xyz" overriding your language preference). I hope this is clear :) SPQRobin 18:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
In the case of Hungarian Wikinews, I have tried with MediaWiki:Incubator-logo-wn-hu and with MediaWiki:Incubator-logo-wn-hun, but neither of them seemed to work. I have also tried with namespace included (i. e. "File:" written before the title of the logo). The result is the same, when I change my preferences from wn/hu to wn/hun, and vice versa. I have purged and emptied my cache. What goes wrong here? - Xbspiro 08:42, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
All features I explained here are not yet live here on Incubator. You can test them on SPQRobin 15:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


Is it possible to make a translated sitenotice appear on the appropriate main page? I have translated it into Hungarian. By the way, how could I list the missing Mediawiki pages for my language on this site (ie. those which should be translated here rather than on translatewiki)? - Xbspiro 14:46, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's easily possible for the sitenotice. Also, you'd have to keep it updated with the English version. As for the list, I am in the process of moving some of the messages to translatewiki because it's better to have them there. We could perhaps make a list of remaining messages (you can always look at Special:Allpages/MediaWiki:). SPQRobin 16:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

How can we check the usage of mediawiki pages? The "what links here" tool does not seem to work on these. Do we delete the translated version of no longer used messages? (I have found a few with their English parent long deleted, for example this one.) - Xbspiro 13:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting - I deleted those unused translations. I don't think there is an easy way to see the usage of system messages. SPQRobin 23:22, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Localized names for localized pages[edit]

There are templates on HUWP (namely Sablon:Cím and Sablon:Alcím) which can be used to alter the appearing name of pages, or in other words, to fake a name. If we would import these, we could use them to make translated pages more user-friendly, by giving them a name in their language, while maintaining the current naming conventions. (We could restrict these templates to work only in some of our namesapces by modifying MediaWiki:Common.js.) What's your opinion? - Xbspiro 00:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

For e.g. the Main Page? I'm not sure.. It might confuse people. But it's OK for me, it has its advantages. SPQRobin 23:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
My proposal is to include all the translated community pages, including the main page. In the case of Main Page/hu, it would retain its original name, but the reader would see Kezdőlap instead of Main Page/hu. The second template is to change the subtitle, so we could make Main Page/hu appear there, to lessen the chance of confusion. As of now, Incubator does not use subtitles. When a user would edit these pages, the original name would appear, i. e. the English name and a language code. - Xbspiro 14:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Can you do this on one page as an example? To others: what's your opinion? SPQRobin 15:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
It will take a while, since simple copypaste does not work. (I will ask for help at my home wiki.) I will post here again when there will be a working example. - Xbspiro 00:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Adding gadget[edit]

I will be adding my gadget to the list. I have requested it on the talk page, if you don't like what I've done, put it to my talk page, and I will revert it. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 18:17, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem; gadgets are optional anyway. SPQRobin 15:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Files from way back[edit]

I propose that we move all the images already here to commons since they should not be here. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

That is what we are currently doing, but it is mainly due to license restrictions, unless we make them CC-BY-SA when we re-upload to Wikimedia Commons. I would be right on it if there should be no problems. --Hydriz 14:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, there aren't that many anymore - Files that are properly licensed should be moved to Commons, and the other files can be deleted, if they are unused. --MF-W {a, b} 17:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I will be moving them, noting them as moved from here and put CC-BY-SA. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 20:08, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Good, then we will finally get rid of these files on Incubator :p SPQRobin 15:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Moved all images from here (exempt File:Wiki.png which we need), and deleted them here and the No-license template. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 17:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Merci! SPQRobin 19:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
dorrien. (En non-français, Bienvenue) Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 12:14, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

lang code pages[edit]

When I search for "aa", I think the first page should be a page about the language with the code "aa", describing the various w:Afar language Incubator:Wikis which are being incubated. We should also have a drop-down on the front page which lists all of the languages currently on the incubator. John Vandenberg 06:15, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

I think such pages would be a good idea, maybe they can be implemented in the Incubator extension so we wouldn't have to create and keep up to date such a high number of pages. --MF-W {a, b} 13:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I would worry more of the size of all those pages. If they were in incubator, it would be an enormous load on some servers I would think. Also, who searches for wikipedias that weren't created here? Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
If implemented in the extension, they'd probably be rather virtual than real pages with content. I think they can serve as overview pages to see which full projects (with subdomain) and test projects are there in a language - however, the info pages already contain this, hm... --MF-W {a, b} 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
They would be virtual indeed. Even if they were real pages it would be nothing compared to the Wikipedia's server load. About the idea itself, I was planning to do something like this but so far I am still looking for the best way to implement this. SPQRobin 15:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Maybe that now, the approved wikis started from here could be virtual too. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 15:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
How do you mean? In any case, any test wiki here will become more "virtual" gradually. SPQRobin 18:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Change to Template:Test wiki[edit]

I will be putting the project logo for the test projects, feel free to revert, but after, I would like consensus to determine whether to keep the images or not. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 20:22, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

I have reverted myself, and I will develop the code before testing. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 20:41, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, but do not put too much work on it, as it will in the future be replaced/obsoleted by a {{#infopage:}} parser function via the WikimediaIncubator extension. Consensus here is not needed; but feedback is! SPQRobin 23:24, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
How is it going along with the extension? Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 11:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
SPQRobin is doing lots of crazy (and awesome) stuff for the extension, I am just helping out a little. :) --Hydriz 12:19, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I meant how is it going with the extension. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 13:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
I hope to have to info pages for non-existing Wx/xyz pages set up by the end of this month. The parser function will be for later on (don't know yet when, but in a few months maybe). The redirects will be this year or early next year hopefully. SPQRobin 16:47, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Language select[edit]

I am entering a bug (30489) to get a preference for the type of language select. It would be useful since you can know what languages are there also you may choose the type you know the most. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 13:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Another bug (this time uncontroversial)[edit]

I have requested that the reupload bit gets removed from autoconfirmed status since its unnecessary since 2006. I deem it as uncontroversial. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:15, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Bugzilla request (30492). Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, please mark every Incubator-related bug as blocking the tracking bug, bugzilla:28486. --MF-W {a, b} 13:19, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't know. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 21:56, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
It's not really important, but it's OK. SPQRobin 00:34, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I just searched the word incubator when trying to find incubator bugs. On a site note, do you know when the extention will be enabled again? Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:20, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
They would try to fix it today. SPQRobin 17:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I think this request is kind of waisting developer time, since we don't have a upload function re-upload isn't working either.. But thats just my opinion. Huib talkAbigor @ meta 14:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Problem with a redirected page[edit]

A user created a page, which i moved to the correct title. Later, when he returned to make further edits, he did so in the redirect page. Now, Wp/brh/lehri contains his later edits and also redirects to Wp/brh/Laeŕí. What shall one do in such a situation? Imdadb 03:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

It should be fixed now. In such situation you should report it to an administrator or here, which you did, so that is good. SPQRobin 19:33, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Minnatvár! (Thank you!) Imdadb 05:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


How about we enable huggle for here? It would be good to prevent vandalism. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 22:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism is really low here. Is that really needed? SPQRobin 00:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Moderation needed[edit]

I have a conflict with a Wikipedia editor who I feel is not respecting our Incubator Wikipedia project for Nawat (ppl). The editor in question is not responding to my attempts to enter into a dialogue, and at this point I think perhaps a third party needs to be brought in to try to moderate. Can someone please tell me where I can make such a request? The issue is that we have a young project for a small language that is trying hard to get off the ground, with a growing number of active, enthusiastic editors; this is a genuine project. The other person seems convinced that our language, Nawat (spoken in El Salvador), is a dialect of Nahuatl (which has many dialects, all spoken in Mexico); they are indeed related sister languages but by no means the same language (as anyone can see). He has created a parallel "Nawat project" as part of the Nahuatl Wikipedia. He doesn't know Nawat but he seems to think he doesn't need to because he knows some Nahuatl (not sure how much), so on this parallel page he mixes willy-nilly stuff in Nahuatl with bits and pieces in Nawat which he has lifted out of the real Nawat project. It says on his parallel page "Welcome to the Nawat Wikipedia" and he has gone so far as to copy and paste a substantial part of the Nawat project's main page so uninformed readers will mistake it for the real thing (ours), which he is effectively usurping. I'm not sure what is driving him to do all this (which I think amounts to de facto vandalism though not quite of the conventional kind), but assuming good intentions (which I do, but mixed with a large dose of stubbornness), whatever he is thinking is completely misguided. I have had several exchanges with him, explaining and asking him kindly to change his behavior, but whatever we say he carries on behaving similarly. Another thing he has been doing off and on is, simultaneously with the above, to start articles (normally stubs) on the Nawat Wikipedia project (the real one), but with Nahuatl in them, which I have to ask him to remove because they are in the wrong language. His actions are tending to undermine a bonafide project which means a lot for the Nawat language community and is just now coming into its own. Suggestions about what to do next? One option is to ignore it all and see if he goes away, but the presence of a parallel page claiming to be the Nawat Wikipedia is, I think, sufficiently belligerent an act to call for something more active. I think that the fake Nawat project should be removed and the link to it at the top of the Nahuatl Wikipedia's main page should link to the real Nawat project; at present it links to the fake one (though I think I may try to change that link - in good faith - and see if any reaction ensues; that way people interested in Nawat will find the real project!). Any advice would be welcome. I may be contacted on my user page. --A R King 12:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

(OK, I can't change the link on the Nahuatl main page because the page is protected.) --A R King 12:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Here's the place to request all exempt for username changes and permissions. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 16:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
We don't have any formal mediation committee, but I hope we will be able to tackle this problem here. --MF-W {a, b} 17:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, then I'll wait to see if someone takes this up. --A R King 19:29, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I am tring to contact a mediator for this case. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 19:41, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
I will be tring, but I'v never mediated before so I hope I do it right. We will proceed by putting each parties statements at talk:Wp/ppl/Mediation. I hope this dispute is resolved well. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 21:58, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
It seems that AR king has settled this with the other editor. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 09:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Site creation[edit]

The Wikipedia is Northern Sotho (Wp/nso), is approved and has a bug submitted (30882). Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I guess we are going to fast, way to fast... The board still have few days to say they don't agree. So don't rush this thing. Huib talkAbigor @ meta 11:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Special characters[edit]

Somebody can help me please. In the last days I can't use anymore the special characters? Do we have a technical problem? I have tried from different PCs in a lot of divers places, but it doesn't work. Thank you for your explanation or help--Helveticus montanus 19:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

You mean the Ancient Greek characters below the edit form? It works for me. Which browser(s) did you test? SPQRobin 19:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
      • yes,the Ancient Greek characters below the edit form, I click on the button but it doesn't work. It seems as if the system it is trying to open it but, also if I wait a lot of time, it's not able to open it . Here I work for instance "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe" at home I will tell you this evening -- 10:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Alternative term for "test wiki"[edit]

User:Danny B. has come up with a quite good alternative term for "test wiki": "startup wiki". It's a good one, so please say if you support this name (I Symbol support vote.svg Support). If no objections, we can adopt this term. See also Incubator:Future planning for more ideas. SPQRobin 14:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

This proposal will not succeed, so the vote is closed. We may discuss it for now. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 22:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


I have put delevery for the signpost at I:POST. The Signpost is a newsletter for english wikipedians. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 21:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure we want that. Those who want to read it can go to the English Wikipedia. SPQRobin 21:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
I agree. "For English Wikipedians" obviously says that, no? --MF-W {a, b} 22:04, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
For wikimedians. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 22:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Pff... [2]. Do we really need it here? Everyone can read it on en.wp, and can also get an own ("private" so to say) abonnement on their talk page. --MF-W {a, b} 12:37, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

So... Delete the page? --Hydriz 02:24, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

digitalizing an old dictionary[edit]

Hi everybody. There's a proposal to build a Venetian Wiktionary, and I had this idea: that as a start we could take an old Venetian-Italian dictionary (there are several already in public domain) and digitalize it on the Venetian Wikisource (already existing project). And then we could just take all the definitions from this dictionary and load them, with a bot, here in the Venetian Wiktionary project, where they would be a good starting point. And then these definitions could be enlarged and improved. Do you think it's possible to do this? And also, the users contributing to this project on vec.wikisource would be counted as active users for the new wiktionary? Candalua 21:34, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Do you think it's possible to do this? It is well possible to automatically upload definitions by bot, though I think you could better do this when you've got your own wiki. Here on the incubator we want to know whether you can build up a viable community and a bot, obviously, is not part of the community :) So: first get about five contributors to the project and create as much infrastructure (categories, help pages, templates, conventions, ...) and for example the 1.000 basic words, while you do that, finish the localization in your language and then your wiki will be created and you can start uploading the public domain dictionary entries there.
And also, the users contributing to this project on vec.wikisource would be counted as active users for the new wiktionary? No, wikisource and wiktionary are separate projects and thus they will not be counted.
Hopefully, this will answer your questions :) If you still do not understand something, just say :) --OWTB 08:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. Of course we can do this project on vec.wiktionary after we get it created, but my proposal was slightly different: to use this PD dictionary as an aid to the creation of the new wiktionary. I think there would be multiple advantages:
  • We will have a more-or-less exhaustive list of words that cover all topics (both general and Venetian-related topics).
  • In every bot-created page we will already have the Italian definition (perhaps inside a box, to distinguish it from the rest of the page), that we can easily use as a reference to write a Venetian definition and to add synonyms, etc.
  • The definitions from the PD dictionary will give a high degree of authoritativeness and reliability to the project, and that's of great importance for a wiktionary project, and especially for a vernacular language like Venetian, because the original meaning of many words is in the process of being forgotten or altered, and being more a spoken language than a written one, the ortography that people use to write it is often approximative when not totally wrong.
So: let's suppose that we load this PD dictionary on wikisource, then we create the definition pages here with a bot, then we start working on these pages to improve them. Do you consider this a good way towards the creation of the new wiktionary? Candalua 11:15, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea. Have you already asked other possible contributors to wt/vec what they think of it? Digitalizing the PD-old dictionary into vec.wikisource should be possible without doubt. --MF-W {a, b} 12:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I am personally a bit concerned about the size of pages you are going to create by bot. Never create more than you can handle, 'cause I don't want wt/vec to end up as a second Malagasy wiktionary. --OWTB 19:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

So far on there's not much support for my proposal. We probably won't do it. Thanks anyway. Candalua 15:47, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Delete the blank pages?[edit]

If any of the admins has noticed, there is a list of pages that are blanked in Special:ShortPages. The history seems to contain evidence of >1 author editing the page. Should we still continue with the deletion?

BTW I have enabled the filter to prevent such event from happening, so that we can know if there is a specific reason to why they want to blank the page. --Hydriz 07:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

No, since we could just revert. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, they are blanked by the author, so there should be a reason for blanking the page. --OWTB 06:27, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
Not all the time. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:02, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
I think it is quite okay now, since he cannot blank pages again with the enabling of the filter against such incidents. --Hydriz 10:48, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
@Ebe123: Personally, I believe the guy with the IP is the same guy as Mestos, but just not logged in. --OWTB 14:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
There were many IPs. So then, should be delete? You may. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 20:23, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Chinese Mandarin Wiki: interlinear version would be helpful[edit]

Hi 彭鹏, I'm Dudy1 from Germany.

Don't you think interlinear versions would be helpful for everyone (for Chinese to check their pronunciation for non-Chinese to learn and improve their Chinese knowledge by counter-checking script and pinyin at the same time. Maybe we can develop a template to hide/show Chinese script. for example: Zúqiú


Zúqiú shì zúqiú yùndòng huò zúqiú bǐsài de jiǎnchēng;
足球 足球 运动 足球 比赛 简称;

Dudy001 18:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps somekind of version of Template:Welcome-translations could be implemented? But I personally am not very into wiki software, so perhaps another administrators knows a better way? --OWTB 19:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Uhm, this is Chinese in Latin script? I'm afraid that won't make it, so Wp/cmn will probably have to be deleted. SPQRobin 19:45, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Just speaking from the Chinese community: This isn't really Chinese in Latin script. It is a type of Chinese writing called pinyin, which will somewhat "pronounce" the word in letters. It seems to have been rejected before, seeing it on Incubator Plus. --Hydriz 02:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it can make it as "simple Chinese", since Chinese seems to fit the requirements for a simple project. --OWTB 07:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Simple wikis are not officially allowed yet. (LangCom is slow in adopting changes, and passive in general). Anyway, if it is on IncubatorPlus then these pages should probably be moved there. SPQRobin 15:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
No, it is not just Simple Chinese. Mandarin Chinese is Standardized Chinese maybe with only traditional Chinese characters (I don't know). In any way people (Chinese AND non-Chinese who would like to use a sort of internet enzycopedia like Wikipedia cannot use it well if there are ONLY Chinese Characters because of the complexity of the Chinese Script. The Chinese Mandarin Wiki on the other hand gives only the romanized transcription of a Chinese Text (which is at the moment not given). That - naturally - makes this wiki unreadable and uncomprehensible especially for non-Chinese unless - and that's my/the idea one would add the Chinese signs/characters at the same time. Chinese Wikis indeed only make sense with both information given: Chinese Characters AND transcription (e.g. Pinyin). So I came along the "template:hidden" and thought one could make it usable for the cmn-wiki. I copied the source-text to the cmn-wiki and it does work a bit. But there are problems with picture-files where the hide/show bar influences the position of pictures. The other problem is, that it would be better to have the possibility of filling in the pinyin (transcription) as well as Chinese characters for longer texts (let's say a paragraph) so that one has not to count in advance how many letters fit in one row. There ist an example on my user page here: User:Dudy001#Hidden and one example page on wcm-wiki (Three Gorges Dam): Wp/cmn/Sānxiágōngchéng (三峽工程) Here also an example of a 'normal' wcm-article: Wp/cmn/Jiāngsū Shěng Perhaps you have an idea how to solve this problem or you know someone who does? There is also Ruby annotation or mouse rollover but these are difficult to handle (with mouse rollover you have to move above the text to see the Chinese Character/or Pinyin, with Ruby annotation it is quite difficult to get the text into the editor. The best would be in my mind to work with some sort of template like "hidden" so that the users get the transcripted version and those who want to have also the Chinese character can let them show...Dudy001 15:20, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I can't imagine that Chinese script is that difficult that you can't even read it... In that case it would long have been replaced by something else. Actually, this reminds me of the proposal of writing an English Wikipedia in Internation Phonetic Alphabet. --OWTB 04:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
It is, believe me. And in general the Chinese language is dominated.... by the Chinese. And this is also the case with dictionaries, etc.. There are only a handful dictionaries etc. with Pinyin (or other transcription systems) worldwide. So this hinders everyone else and also 90% of the Chinese who have only little education to cope with written and/or spoken Chinese. There exist up to estimated 35.000 Chinese characters. Basic knowledge of Chinese comprises 4.000 to 5.000 Characters and students may have 10.000. And most Chinese have to learn the pronunciation (i.e. by the help of a transcription system) of Standardized Chinese as they have a Chinese dialect as mothertongue. Chinese script is more or less the same for China, Japan, Korea etc. (CJK-Unicode) although meaning may differ.. I do not see any problem to give both information on a Chinese Wiki i.e. Transcription (e.g.Pinyin or others) for the correct pronunciation AND the script. We - in the west - have in general a script (based on Latin) which represents pronunciation and nothing else. Why should a Chinese (or Old Egyptian) Wiki merely give the script or hierglyphs and not its pronunciation as well?Dudy001 06:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Do all characters represent to a single sound? If so, you could fairly easily implement an automatic converter on the existing Chinese wikis. --OWTB 18:46, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.18 deployment[edit]

MediaWiki is scheduled to be upgraded on this wiki Monday, September 26, 23:00-03:00 UTC. As you may know, MediaWiki is the wiki software developed by the Wikimedia community, and 1.18 is the upcoming version of the software that has been in development since December. More details about this upgrade can be found on the MediaWiki 1.18 announcement on We don't anticipate any problems, but if you do encounter any, please see the blog post for more information on how to report problems. Since this wiki will be one of the first to get the software, we're particularly interested in your experience with it. Thanks! -- mw:User:RobLa-WMF (local user page) 00:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I tested it on strategy:, I see no bugs by now. I hope it will be the same for incubator. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 14:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
FYI, I had asked him if it could be deployed to Incubator earlier. It's a good release for RTL support and other stuff I did so I couldn't wait :-) For example, apart from RTL support, test wiki pages will be parsed in that language rather than English, affecting e.g. {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} SPQRobin 15:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I would of liked it to be earlier because of the WikimediaIncubator extension and RTL. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 21:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Enabling WikiLove extension[edit]

So I see barnstars on user's talk pages. I think that we should enable the mw:Extension:WikiLove. It would let users show that they appreciate the work of someone else easier and with a special box and image. The extension requires no extra templates and the language can change. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 09:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well. Support. SPQRobin 22:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
What is the purpose of it? --OWTB 03:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I got on on today. It feels good to know that you're appreciated for your work. I just did a bugzilla request at bugzilla:31209. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Ebe123: I believe you are rushing things a little too fast. You filed a bug at 10:38am GMT, 25 hours after you posted this section and claimed that there were "some" support. I am not directing at you, but I personally feel that it is a little too fast for the community to even know about this and there is only one supporter since, which isn't very convincing for the developers. --Hydriz 10:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I understand. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 11:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Enabled! Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 11:26, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Now you understand why we don't rush things, it isn't even working. --Hydriz 11:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Extension disabled temporarily due to issues. --Hydriz 11:54, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Okay. Fine. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 12:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
According to them, WikiLove is able to work in 1.18wmf1, since it is working on I just suspect that it is due to the WikimediaIncubator extension that is breaking stuff, I might suggest waiting till enwiki gets 1.18wmf1 before we see how things go, unless SPQRobin jumps the gun and gets a good fix. --Hydriz 12:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Don't really see how the extension could cause that... SPQRobin 17:55, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I am astonished to see how fast this was decided (and then didn't even work). A simple template might be more effective than a more or less complicated extension (e.g. de:Template:Preis, which can easily be adapted), if you need a template at all (I once got one with any template). --MF-W {a, b} 20:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I fully agree with MF-W. There's no need for a complicated extension if we could use templates. And to be honest, we at incubator don't really have a community apart from the admins, so I doubt we even need templates... --OWTB 06:35, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I would also agree with MF-W in this case. The community is already very loving. :) --Hydriz 07:47, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I believe that our admin community doesn't really need it, but I thought it might be more useful for encouraging test wiki contributors. If it works, we could enable it. If it's unused, we could disable it again. But if you don't really see a need for it, I'm fine with it. SPQRobin 10:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
So, if I'm right, you mean that the admins will use this extension to encourage "normal users"? --OWTB 16:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Or normal users encouraging each other. SPQRobin 17:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Then they'll have to know the extension is there :) --OWTB 17:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
However they do it, if the extension can help them doing that, it's good... but for me/from my point of view there are easier ways. --MF-W {a, b} 20:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


Are there any objections to the creation of a template:welcome-anon? If not, I'll create it. --OWTB 16:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

We could just put an "anon" parameter to Template:Welcome. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 19:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Should I use {{welcome|anon}} or {{welcome|anon=1}}? --OWTB 06:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
{{Welcome|anon=yes}}. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 09:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Alright, thank you :) --OWTB 09:12, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to work: User talk: --OWTB 11:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
So then, I don't know what. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 21:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Uhm, how is it supposed to work? There is no usage of the parameter "anon" in Template:Welcome. SPQRobin 22:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
. Anyway, it's fixed with this edit. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 00:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Eh.. It is still exactly the same as the normal template: User talk: The idea is that people are encouraged to create an account or log in and that the part of "create a user page" is gone.
To be honest, I also don't see the benefits of adding a parameter.. {{welcome-anon}} is easier to type than {{welcome|anon=yes}}. And the template would then be the same as on oldwikisource (where I'm also admin and I also have the "self-donated" task of welcoming users :P) --OWTB 11:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, create the template. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 12:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I'll soon create it then. But thanks anyway for helping :) --OWTB 12:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Does anybody know how to add "template:welcome-anon" to the whitelist? --OWTB 07:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Set your test wiki preference to "incubator" and you can create it. SPQRobin 11:53, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Thanks :) --OWTB 12:45, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Reuqests for deletion[edit]

It would be nice if I could get some feedback here :) --OWTB 06:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


I see that action=purge is disabled? Why? Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 10:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Where do you see this? --MF-W {a, b} 16:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
On my userpage. It works on en.wikipedia. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 19:21, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, it does purge the page, but the image simply does not change. Have you already been looking for possible mistakes in the wiki syntax? You might have forgotten to copy a small piece of it. No, the code is the same, except for that the "action=purge" has been put on a subpage here at the incubator; perhaps that could be it? --OWTB 11:19, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
It might be en:Template:Mod which we don't have (not that we should import it now, but it should be possible to implement its code into your userpage). --MF-W {a, b} 11:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Ow yeah, now I see it too. We could import it or implement it yeah. --OWTB 11:34, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
I put it as a user subpage. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 12:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Abuse Filter No. 11[edit]

Special:AbuseFilter/11 - The filter should be triggered when a user removes a category from a page. Now it seems to be inactive, as the special page says "Warning: This filter was automatically disabled as a safety measure. It reached the limit of matching more than 5.00% of actions". I think it might be good to remove it altogether as the removal of category does not seem like a thing to me where we need to have a close look if it isn't vandalism. Besides, if we keep it, the warning that is given to the user is formulated quite sharp and not appropriate for this case, IMHO. --MF-W {a, b} 13:17, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, removing a category is not that bad, and the warning is not specific. I have disabled the filter temporarily. SPQRobin 18:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
I never thought that the filter would be not that big, and I was thinking about removing a category as the wiki category such as Category:Wp/fit. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 09:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah, there it could be useful. However, not all test wikis add all their pages to their main category - btw, when a subdomain is created, it is easier for the exporter if the main category contains little to no pages. --MF-W {a, b} 19:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Problems to create templates[edit]

I'm trying to create templates in here but it doesn't work. Could anyone create someone like this in Wp/fit/Aafrica. I will translate the names but please help me creating the template. --Chabi 15:20, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

What is your problem exactly? Do you want to create such a navigation bar? --MF-W {a, b} 15:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to create templates and I would like to create one like that. Could you help me please? --Chabi 15:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Sure. In this case, however, the English Wikipedia makes use of a complicated transclusion structure, that requires templates to be created, which themselves require other templates to work correctly. So, as a start, if one is unfamiliar with this, I'd suggest you take a look at the Afrikaans version, which doesn't require any other templates. You can just copy and paste [better: import] the source code to Template:Wp/fit/Aafrica (or whatever the template should be named) and translate it. --MF-W {a, b} 16:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Enable several extensions[edit]

It would be good to install the MoodBar, WebFonts and Narayam extension here.

  • MoodBar: It lets users submit their thoughts about the user experience. It's live on, see w:Special:FeedbackDashboard.
  • WebFonts: It embeds fonts for text written in other scripts, where the user doesn't have the right font installed for. It's in beta, and not yet enabled on any wiki, so I wouldn't enable it immediately but it should be in the (near) future.
  • Narayam: It provides input methods for input fields (it converts keyboard input to the selected script). It is useful for users who don't have the right keyboard installed/configured. However, it doesn't take into account the language of the test wiki, so it is also something for the (near) future, when the extension is adapted to detect the test wiki language. You can test it on e.g. mlwiki.

(So when there are no objections I would submit a bug request for MoodBar, but I would wait some time for the other two.)

What do you think? SPQRobin 19:39, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I:Feedback and similar things show little results, although user's input is appreciated very much, so hopefully MoodBar will be an easy way for them to do so. I'm not aware that there are many test wikis with script difficulties at the moment, but this is probably also because it is so difficult to edit them (?). If the extensions are developed well enough, they should be activated too. --MF-W {a, b} 20:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't like MoodBar, since it's without response, help, hard to navigate, and can easily be abused. But the 2 others are good. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 19:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I am okay with them, except a little worried about the implementation of Narayam disturbing users that do not use Narayam. It doesn't seem to have been installed on a multilingual wiki yet... --Hydriz 01:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, you could make a gadget of it (like rtl). Or perhaps make it work on the interface language? --OWTB 09:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
@Hydriz & OWTB: It's just installed on Meta. Any user can disable Narayam, and we can even disable the extension by default if needed. A gadget however would not be a good idea. In any case we're going to work on Narayam so that it takes the language from the page content language (e.g. Wx/ta pages => Tamil; Wx/as => Assamese). SPQRobin 22:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok :P --OWTB 05:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I have submitted two bug requests: bug 32417 for MoodBar, bug 32418 for Narayam (disabled by default; users have to enable it in their preferences). WebFonts is for the near future. SPQRobin 23:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The first was is enabled now, feedback will hopefully appear on Special:FeedbackDashboard. SPQRobin 23:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Narayam is now also enabled. It is disabled by default, but nevertheless it was enabled in my preferences (as on Meta etc), so it isn't really as I intended. Anyway, it will be triggered if you use an interface language that has a Narayam configuration (Tamil, Assamese, ...). SPQRobin 13:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Bug submitted for WebFonts: 32455, but it will be disabled by default (users can enable it in their preferences). SPQRobin 08:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

  • So I would like the RevDel for this just in case. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 23:51, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
    How do you mean? It's a core feature restricted to m:Oversighters. SPQRobin 03:33, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
    I meant RevDel (not oversight) that sysops have but to delete abusive comments at the feedback dashboard. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 13:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
    You are an administrator so you are able to hide feedback items. See the "hide feedback" link on Special:FeedbackDashboard. SPQRobin 20:07, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposal: "new wiki importer" global group[edit]

FYI: see meta:Wikimedia_Forum#Proposal:_.22new_wiki_importer.22_global_group. SPQRobin 22:37, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Rights of test-sysop group[edit]

Why in test-sysop group we haven't got suppressredirect (Not create redirects from source pages when moving pages) right? It is certainly useful, because we can delete these redirects without this right but this makes that we have more work because it gets messy with a double and broken redirects. Przemub 17:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The suppressredirect right did not yet exist when the test-sysop group was created, and the group's configuration hasn't been changed since. --MF-W {a, b} 17:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
But we can ask (probably in Bugzilla) for its inclusion, because it is useful and harmless. Przemub 17:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)corected 17:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I think this can be done. However, let's wait a few days to see if someone thinks this should not be done, or finds other rights that would be useful to give to the test-admins. --MF-W {a, b} 17:39, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
This is useful but useless, since you can move and delete redirect, making it useless, but having a convenient button on the move screen is better and easier. Let's go with the additional right. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ebe123 (discussioncontribs) 21:47, 5. Nov. 2011‎.
Fine with me. Can't think of any other right for test-admins though. --OWTB 09:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
protect right should be in this group, because in this group is right for blocking users, which also used to protect also vandalismes. Przemub 13:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
My proposals (Przemub 15:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)):
  • suppressredirects
  • deletedtext (to know what need restore)
  • protect (see above)
I tested it and was able to view deleted versions as a test-sysop, so it seems to me that deletedtext is not neccessary. About protect: Well, the amount of protected pages is quite low, as fortunately the amount of vandalism is too. So I don't see too much use in that, when protecting inside their test wikis, test-sysops could either protect to autoconfirmed (bah) or sysops&test-sysops, which means that most test contributors couldn't edit a page then anymore. --MF-W {a, b} 17:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Most test-admins are not experienced enough for knowing what should and what should not be protected. Here at incubator they do not need this right, so I'd say "suppressredirects" is the only one we need. --OWTB 17:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Agree with OWTB and MF-Warburg. Yes for "suppressredirect"; unsure for "deletedtext"; no for "protect". SPQRobin 19:18, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
For the "deletedtext", we should probably get the General Counsil since that deletion isn't for all, and no one should be viewing slander of a well respected person. After many people, things can get out and legal action could be done. Yes for "protect", for high-risk templates. Ebe123 (Talkabout it|contribs) 20:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

The "suppressredirect" right will be automatically added with the next Incubator extension update (r102457). I hope that will be soon. SPQRobin 23:04, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

XML Archives[edit]

This is a call to all Incubator administrators (or anyone) who has archives of deleted Test Wikis of the Incubator to send me a copy of the dump you have. This way, we would have a central repository of these dumps, and also to add to the list that WikiTeam has of wiki dumps.

To send me these dumps, upload it to any free webserver that you know of and send me the link. The dump would be available on the Wikimedia Incubator's File Release System if you have provided it correctly. Thanks for your help! --Hydriz 08:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

A good idea to centralize this. I'll gladly send in the several XML files of deleted test which I have. --MF-W {a, b} 13:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Our plan we had for a long time was to upload these here. See 30228 for that. Anyway I will send you mine if I remember to :-) SPQRobin 21:31, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh, bugs get easily forgotten if the lazy devs don't do anything about them :D --MF-W {a, b} 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Other than centralising these dumps, it is also to add to the list of wiki dumps that WikiTeam has, but of course we wouldn't want these dumps to be floating around, and might accidentally get lost if you did something wrong. I will probably create an Internet Archive identifier to host these dumps too.

Also, if you are struggling to find a place to host these dumps that you want to send me, just upload them to free hosting sites like MediaFire or something similar. I don't really want you guys to go through the tiring process of installing any software. Thanks! --Hydriz 09:29, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Ajouter un préfixe[edit]

Bonjour, Hi,

Comment ajouter un préfixe à une page qui a été créée sans préfixe ? How to add a prefix on a page that has been created without a prefix ?

Merci, Thanks !

Mvengue--Ekang 16:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Il y a un onglet qui s'appelle "Move" au début de la page. --MF-W {a, b} 16:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Incubator - Language Committee relations[edit]

Please see Incubator:Future planning#Relation_Incubator_--_Language_Committee. Add your ideas and comments. Regards, SPQRobin 22:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Software updates[edit]

Today, some software updates were made:

  • Incubator extension
    • It is now possible to search users by test wiki through Special:Listusers (I added a link called "contributors" from the info pages to that special page)
    • Searching will now give a link to the prefixed page you can create (if your test wiki preference is not defined it will say so). It was also supposed to search *within* the test wiki, but that apparently doesn't work.
    • Test admins now have the "suppressredirect" right
    • E.g. Wp/sgs will recognise that Wp/bat-smg exists; however it still links to (bug).
    • Finally possible to delete pages belonging to existing wikis (e.g. Wp/nso)
    • Nicer external links on e.g. info pages ( instead of //
  • WebFonts
    • fonts are automatically embedded for some languages (especially Indic ones), like Hindi, Assamese, Bengali, Tamil, Telugu, Persian, ... See e.g. Wt/as/मुख्य पृष्ठ.
    • This requires that the HTML lang="" tag refer to the language, so it does not yet work for Sourashtra, because the language is not defined yet in the software.
    • You can disable it via preferences (second tab). I originally asked to disable it by default, which they didn't do, but I'm not sure it is still needed because it is enabled on a lot of other Indic wikis (so it should be considered stable). If you still think it should be disabled by default, please say so.
  • Babel: some minor Babel bug fixes; for example the links in the text now link to the correct category
  • MoodBar: Not related to today, but just mentioning that it doesn't work (bug 32772) although strangely we have one feedback item.

Translations are not updated yet, because the LocalisationUpdate system is broken but that should be fixed in a few days.

If you have any other questions, comments, please ask. SPQRobin 19:53, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

LocalisationUpdate and MoodBar work again. SPQRobin 01:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Although it is not a common task, but I mention that the improved search makes it harder to create subpages for community pages, which is necessary when someone would like to translate them. The search now offers to create them under the prefix of a test wiki, so I have to make a draft page with the correct name that I want to use and start editing following that red link. (To see what I mean, try to enter Incubator:News/de into the search box, and you will see that it will not be offered to create the page under that name.) - Xbspiro 23:42, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Interface language for anons + update for priority 1 languages[edit]

Two changes I have made:

  • I:TP: The priority 1 languages were UN official languages plus Portuguese. I redefined them to UN official languages plus languages that are important under the Foundation's Global Development, which includes Brazil (=> Portuguese, remains) and India (=> Hindi and Bengali). Arabic is also part of the Global Development but that is already included as a UN official language.
  • I enabled the Commons script by User:Krinkle which adds some improvements with regards to interface language for anonymous users. A dropdown menu is shown in the sidebar with a list of languages defined in MediaWiki:Common.js. It will remember your choice. If your browser language matches one of the defined languages, it will show a suggestion bar under the title, e.g. "Wikimedia Incubator in het Nederlands".

I think these are important and useful changes. If you don't agree or have any comments or feedback, please say so. Regards, SPQRobin 17:46, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I just want to say that I definitely think and hope the language pseudo-preference for unregistered users will be useful in attracting contributors who are not yet registered and don't know English so well (taking away that threshold of "no, it's all english, but I want <My_language> Wikipedia"). --MF-W {a, b} 00:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Bots removing iw's at incubator[edit]

Obviously, it doesn't work in a way it should do right now.. Edits like this remove correct interwikis. The bot is currently only looking at Wikipedias and doesn't do anything with prefixes like Wn/. Is there a way to prevent this? --OWTB 17:52, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Also, I don't see any reasons why we need bots to add iw's. Iw's from already existing wiki's to the newly created wiki's have to be created anyway after the wiki is removed from incubator... --OWTB 17:54, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
So he's running his bot without supervision... I will tell when he's on IRC. Or it may be good to notify him on his talk page. He shouldn't run his bot on non-Wikipedias, unless he uses [[code:n:]] or a similar interwiki. For your second comment: we need interwikis because it is nice to have them (they work from existing wikis to incubator except for Wp test wikis). SPQRobin 18:11, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Alright, as long as it is fixed it's okay I guess. If it doesn't get fixed, I think it's better to shut it down. --OWTB 18:20, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I notified the bot's owner at now. --OWTB 18:30, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for notifying. The bot removed the interwikis because they do not work here. incubator is part of the wikipedia interwiki family, so all interwikis to e.g. en: will link to - even if its a subpage of Wn/....
At the beginning of the month I added a feature that my bot will be able to add interwiki also to non-wikipedia-incubator-testwikis. e.g. on Wikinews projects the bot will add interwikis starting with en:n:.... I already mentioned this feature at the bot flag request because this could cause trouble for the importers. That's also the reason why i have not enabled this feature yet.
The feature that the bot follows multiple interwiki redirect prefixes (like en:n:... or also strange things like en:de:fr:wikt:s:...) was already added from the beginning. Currently the bot is only removing interwikis if the target does not exists.
So how should we enable interwikis for non-wikipedia-testwikis on incubator? This is not a question for the bot, but how we get interwikis working for humans. If you check your example from above [3] clicking on the interwikis returns a 404 error, because these interwikis at the side link to wikipedia projects where the targets do not exists (that the reason why my bot removed them). I think there are two theoritical solutions:
  1. We use interwikis starting with <lang>:<family> instead lang (e.g. en:n:...). Importers must then remove the :<family> part of the interwikis from source during import.
  2. SPQRobin checks if it is possible to have different interwiki maps for a single wikis using the incubator extension. My bot uses the value /api/query/pages/page/langlinks/ll/@url of e.g. . Thats is the same url as on the rendered page.
Merlissimo 21:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
I understand the problem, though it's a bit technical (I'm used to working with replace, delete etc, not iw). I think solution 1 could work. Currently, importers have to remove all f.e. Wn/de/ prefixes as well. It could work with a replace function like ":n:" > ":", but of course you can never be 100% sure it won't affect other pages in the wiki using ":n:" outside of the iw. --OWTB 09:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
The problem and its solutions have been around for a long time. Solution 1 (:n:, remove on export) is doable. I am hoping for solution 2 which would be better, but I don't really see a way to do that sanely (i.e. without having to make ugly hacks)... SPQRobin 04:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)