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Re-enable uploads for bureaucrats

Currently uploading is completely disabled on Incubator; you need to upload on Commons (see Incubator:Upload for more info). The problem is, we have a logo which could need to be changed, though this will be rarely. So the solution would be: re-enable uploading, but restrict this to bureaucrats. MF-Warburg already submitted a bug, but we need community consensus, though this is a small community :-) You can answer here, and/or vote below. SPQRobin 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


  1. SPQRobin 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
  2. Obviously - VasilievVV 04:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  3. Good. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  4. Of course. --MF-W {a, b} 17:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  5. Surely. Not only logo might need to be uploaded (btw: is the logo going to be changed or it was just an example?) thus I'd also supported the upload even on sysop level. We should keep in mind that different projects have different policies about rights, so what might not be suitable for Commons, may be suitable for such project, thus it should have a chance to be here.
    Danny B. 18:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
    That was just an example with the logo. We want bureaucrats to be able to upload only because there are also the test admins which should use Commons, of course. --MF-W {a, b} 20:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
    Did you read what I wrote about the author's rights? Why test admins should use Commons only if their wikis allow licenses not allowed on Commons? Say there was some new project in en. Enwikis allow fair use. So why couldn't they be able to upload such images here? Of course following some rules (which is one of the reasons only sysops could), such as those images must meet the allowed licenses on such language wikis, they can't be used elsewhere and will be deleted after the project isn't here etc...
    Danny B. 20:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
    Ah OK, of course. You are right. --MF-W {a, b} 20:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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This has been done. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 23:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I logged in as User:SPQRobot who has sysop+bot access and he seems to be able to upload files (didn't test it, I just see the "normal" upload form). Can a normal user and a test-sysop please say what they see (and, if you tested it, if you can upload files). Greetings, SPQRobin 16:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
If you haven't oped me in the meantime ;-) then as an ordinary user I see the regular upload form as well as the item in sidebar toolbox.
Danny B. 16:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently misconfigured, see upload log. I've reopened the bug.
Danny B. 06:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed meanwhile. I logged in as User:SPQRobot again, and I saw the error "This action is limited to users in the group Bureaucrats". That's fine, but we need to add a custom message (like MediaWiki:Upload-summary)... SPQRobin 12:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Configuration change: Test administrators

All "test administrators" now have their own right of "test sysop" due to a configuration change. You can see a list of test administrators now via its own special page: Special:Listusers/test-sysop. Cbrown1023 talk 23:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Test administrators can:

  • delete page
  • undelete page
  • view deleted history of page
  • block users
  • block users with blocking the use of Special:Emailuser
  • perform rollback

Danny B. 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

about the 2 wikiversity project

The 2 projects in incubator (ko and pt) stay here or can/must be translated to Beta wikiversity ? Crochet.david@betawikversity / 14:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, in my POV they can stay :-), but the policy says that they have to be transferred to betawikiversity... SPQRobin 14:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Upload page

If users click on "Upload file" they will go the Special:Upload where they can see just one sentence "This action is restricted to bureaucrats". I'd propose to set $wgUploadNavigationUrl = ''; so they will go to Incubator:Upload where there is more info and instructions. SPQRobin 16:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I submitted bugzilla:12831. SPQRobin 19:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I actually submitted another bug about this issue... ;-)
Danny B. 00:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

international language support via special:Gadgets

Dear friends; Please add copies of w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing, w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing.js, w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-ShortLink and w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-ShortLink.js to this wiki. Please copy the relevant parts of w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition to MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition.
If you intent to structure MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition into sections please pay attention that section names should not contain spaces; you may use either section names as « LanguageSupport » or « language-support ». The text which will be displayed at special:Gadgets and at special:Preferences will be the taken from MediaEiki:Gadget-section-LanguageSupport or MediaEiki:Gadget-section-language-support respectively.
In the image you will see some language tabs. Neither gadgets nor user scripts are active at special:Preferences. The language tabs can be defined with a code similar to m:s:yi:MediaWiki:Common.js. Good luck and best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 16:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain what these scripts would do? --MF-W {a, b} 15:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
gangerli told me that "they allow RTL editors to switch forth and back between LTR and RTL". Cbrown1023 talk 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Cbrown1023 talk 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Cbrown1023 for the help in the name of the BiDi workgroup. Best regards and greetings from Munich
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 04:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Esperanto keyboard support via special:Gadgets

m:wikt:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-EoMagicalConversion and m:wikt:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-EoMagicalConversion.js support the Esperanto magical conversion to the editor. (source 1source 2). Such an option would be very useful in order to be able to edit Esperanto texts at this projects from any device even without Esperanto keyboard. It is working also at w:ps:special:Gadgets. Please install the EoMagicalConversion gadget at this project.
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 23:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but X mark.svg Not done - there is the MediaWiki:Edittools system, so this is unneeded. Second, we don't have Esperanto test projects here at the moment, and third, it would be sort of unfair to other languages with special characters because then also scripts for then should be added. --MF-W {a, b} 15:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I feel this is a very strange argumentation. The only arguments you found where against this proposal. Regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 05:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have to find arguments in favour of your proposal. Please respond to the arguments against :-) --MF-W {a, b} 09:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Exemption doctrine policy

Hello. As you might know, the Wikimedia Foundation approved a resolution concerning non-free images more than a year ago. The resolution says that unless Wikimedia projects create an exemption doctrine policy (EDP) for non-free images, all of those images shall be deleted by March 23, 2008 (which was a few days ago). We'd now like to gather information from the projects about their exemption policies in one place so we can check their validity, and if images on those projects are in accordance with the Foundation's resolution. Your project is one of these we don't have information about, so it'd be great if you could add it to the page listing all EDPs, meta:Non-free_content. If you have any questions about the page or don't have an EDP yet and want one, you can use the appropriate talkpage on Meta or just contact me directly on Meta or by e-mail (however, please note that I'm just a volunteer and therefore not in a position to give any official advice). Thanks for your cooperation!

My personal opinion now: I would strongly advise against implementing an EDP on Incubator. In my opinion, using unfree images is against the mission of Wikimedia and encouraging new wikis to use them would only cause problems later for them: they would have to create an EDP on their own and solve image copyright issues, while now they can just easily use images from Wikimedia Commons only and not worry about these things. If you decide to not create any EDP here, it might be useful to move images from incubator to commons; I can help with that if needed. — Timichal 19:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree we should not allow unfree content. --MF-W {a, b} 10:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Unuseful test projects

I'd like to know: what should be done about test projects on incubator which have few chance to develop? For example the Gronings wp/gos and Drents wp/drt test projects. Both are subdivisions of Nedersaksisch nds-nl:, which has a project since two years and is of course accepting Gronings and Drents contributions. Should the test projects be deleted? --Slomox 19:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Invented language codes

I suggest to strictly not use plain invented language codes. The chance to create possible conflicts in the future apeears too high to me.

An example of a code which imho should not be used as it currently is, is rde being used for a Ruhrdeutsch Wikipedia proposal at the moment.

Instead of inventing code rde, we should be using either

  • qrd — an ISO 639-2 code for private use, or a similar one, or
  • gem-NW-Ruhrgebiet — ISO 639-2 other Germanic, ISO 3166-DE area Northrhine-Westphalia, and invented (slightly incorrect and imprecise) subdivision Ruhrgebiet, or
  • deu-NW-ruhr — ISO 639-2 Standard German, ISO 3166-DE area Northrhine-Westphalia, and invented subdivision having a shorter name.

--Purodha 19:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Category:Portuguese Wikiversity

The pages in Category:Portuguese Wikiversity here are copy+paste from Wikiversity in pt.Wikibooks. The correct is to import the pages from Wikibooks to beta.Wikiversity. It is possible ? Rjclaudio 13:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

That's a question for Betawikiversity admins, if they have such possibility.
So does that mean we should delete all Wv/pt pages here?
Danny B. 15:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The category in Sakha Wiki

The Crochet.david had been replaced categories Sakha Wikipedia on Wp/sah (more than in one thousand pages). It entails some consequences, to correct which it is necessary for other users. Whether this renaming is lawful? --Үрүҥ Үкэйдээн 21:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. The category Sakha Wikipedia was moved to Wp/sah because of the prefixing policy. --MF-W {a, b} 14:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

licenses of new projects

No new projects are started unless the license of the new project is both GFDL and CC-by-sa. The easiest way of making sure that new projects can be created is to relicense the Incubator itself.

Please consider this on the shortest possible notice because it is absolutely awful that so many projects are waiting to be created. GerardM 11:07, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Shortcut alias

An alias I has been set earlier today for Incubator namespace, so no longer I:FOO type redirects from main namespace needed, just create Incubator:FOO and both will work.

Danny B. 12:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Dynamic Page List

Since Wikinewses are being incubated here, which use it heavily, I propose to install DynamicPageList extension here.

Danny B. 15:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

That sounds fine, let's just make sure no one abuses it. :P Cbrown1023 talk 14:55, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, I once requested it at bugzilla:11963, and someone else at bugzilla:11112, but JeLuF duplicated it to bugzilla:12423 together with other wikis, and is since then forgotten. SPQRobin 15:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Renaming main pages of tests

IIRC, it has been proposed several times to rename Main Pages from e.g. "Wp/nl" to "Wp/nl/Hoofdpagina". The part "Hoofdpagina" should correspond to the message MediaWiki:Mainpage/nl, as translated in the MediaWiki software.

This would have the following advantages:

  • On "Wp/nl" we could include a template with information on e.g. whether the language code is valid, and the status (open, approved, ...) of the test.
  • The last time I imported new created wikis, I experienced that the main page needed another specific fix (or you fix it in the XML file, or you move the page after importing). This would save another large part of the time we spend on importing ;-)
  • Probaby more...

I tried to make a kind of example at Wp/en and Wp/en/Main Page :D.

Opposes? Arguments? SPQRobin 14:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I really like this idea and don't see any possible problems with it. Cbrown1023 talk 14:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Sure I agree, since it was my proposal! ;-)
Danny B. 16:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Just an add-on: The page name after the prefix should correspond to the MediaWiki:Mainpage in such language by default but not enforced since some wikis put their main page into Project: or Portal: namespaces.
Danny B. 16:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, but it's better since the sidebar/logo link is MediaWiki:Mainpage as well, to avoid broken links etc... SPQRobin 17:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia España

Hello, has been proposed to create a Spanish Chapter of Wikimedia (you have below a link to meta), regards:

Buenos días, un grupo de gente interesada está intentando constituir el capítulo o sección española de la Fundación Wikimedia. Hasta el momento hay trasiego de emails, borradores de estatutos y parece que empujón, por lo que aprovecho para difundir la iniciativa por todos los proyectos que pudieran estar interesados. Como ya he dicho, está en fase de elaborar los estatutos. Si queréis participar, podéis pararos por aquí, inscribiros (no es obligatorio) y suscribiros a la lista de correo. Un saludo --Jatrobat 21:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Another proposal, but one which would reduce lots of work

Sorry but I've got another proposal/idea. One which would reduce much work.

We could make a page where one needs to request whether they may start a test on Incubator. The requirements do not change with this, we only won't need to say "Sorry, but the test you are working on for some weeks/months is not allowed because you have no valid ISO 639 code". The requester just needs to give the correct language code and/or a webpage with some information (e.g. a Wikipedia article). Then, a community member (?) needs to check whether it meets the policy (so basically, whether it has a valid code). When checking that, we can also make the Wx/xx information page at the same time.

So, you can compare it with the Betawiki:Translator page at Betawiki where one needs to say which language they want to translate to.

We can even skip this check for languages which already have a WMF project (though this could make everything confusing for people...).

Again, this would reduce our work here, and the disappointment of the people working on a test. SPQRobin 19:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

A good idea. The sysops and some other people (there are unfortunately not many) should be able to "allow" starting a new test. --MF-W {a, b} 16:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I found an old page, somewhat similar: User:Timichal/Archives/Incubator:New test requests. SPQRobin 17:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Too much complicated in my opinion. It can be similar to betawiki's translator page: "I would like to start a German Wiktionary. --~~~~" or, for those who want to give more info: "I would like to start the [[:en:German language|German]] Wiktionary. The iso code is ''de''. There is a proposal on Meta [[:m:blabla...]]. Wikipedia, -books, -source etc. still exist in German." --MF-W {a, b} 17:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I want to keep it also simple. I just wanted to note there already has been such proposal... Anyway, I first see if nobody opposes and then first finish the Wx/xx -> Wx/xx/Main Page move (not too many things at the same time :p). SPQRobin 18:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

So I made a draft at Incubator:Requests for starting a test. Is it ok that that page becomes official, so everyone needs to request it through that page? SPQRobin 13:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I support support it — VasilievVV 16:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand it. -Markvondeegel 14:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

New type of project


en: The main page indicate that the aim of incubator is to test new language about existing projet. Is it possible to test a new type of project ? (a project of genealogy).

fr: La page principale indique que le but de l’incubateur est de tester de nouvelles langues pour les projets existants. Est-il possible de tester un nouveau type de projet ? (un projet de généalogie).

Cdlt, VIGNERON * discut. 13:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

No, you can only "test" new language versions of existing Wikimedia projects (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikibooks, Wikinews) here, see I:P; no new projects. It is disallowed because before that, many stupid new projects were created here. --MF-W {a, b} 13:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
fr: Vous avez Incubator Plus pour des nouveaux projets qui ne concernent pas Wikimedia.
en: You have Incubator Plus for new projects not related with Wikimedia.
--Malafaya 13:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Incubator Plus is for tests of new language versions that are rejected here, but it is possible that new projects are also allowed (or you can start a whole new Wikia wiki) SPQRobin 13:53, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
He, he. Incubator Plus is a Wikia site, i.e. a dot-com site, not an dot-org site. I did not know about it until now. Is Incubator Plus a charity site (i.e. a free site) maybe? But if it is free or not is not actually relevant anyway; it is just a cunning and apparently harmless way to obtain publicity from and (not or) through Wikimedia. -- 22:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I have just come across a paragraph in the Main Page that goes:
"You need a valid language code (explained on Help:Manual), if you haven't, go to Incubator Plus [with link to the site]."
I cannot believe it: a Wikimedia site directly endorsing a commercial place as an alternative to this place for 11 months (from 17th Sept, 2007 until now). And the community seems to be blind and deaf to it. Does Wikimedia accept such kind of things openly or is it something that has been kept unnoticed for such a long time? -- 00:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
The community knows of that link, and we all refer to that site if it has no ISO 639 code. That wiki is made for it, although hosted at a commercial site. I don't know how else I could make it clear, though. Greetings, SPQRobin 17:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
Keeping the link in the main page (where, among other things, nobody except admins can remove it) is too much. All this is starting to be quite clear to me, though. The doors were open months ago with the lame excuse of the difference between culture and Culture. Instead creating some kind of "unofficial Wikimedia branch" to host the "rejected" projects, we opted for chucking them out into J.W's commercial site. Brilliant move: the path of least resistance, kindly led by the boss and endorsed by the community's complacence. With all my respects, I cannot totally call the current Wikimedia Wikimedia... it is becoming too fishy in this and a few other obscure aspects (or is it that we subconciously choose to keep them obscure?). Regards. -- 15:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

How to rename main page correctly?

I have found that main page in Wp/mhr should be not "Тӱҥ лышташ" but "Тӱҥ лаштык". How to fix this? I tried to move main page to correct one. But now at the redirection is shown. You can see the result of such moving yourself. Any suggestions are welcome. - Сай 15:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

If you go to Wp/mhr you will land at Wp/mhr/Тӱҥ лышташ. That page provides a backlink to Wp/mhr, from where you were redirected. If you click that backlink, you can change the redirect to the new page name. I have done this for you. --::Slomox:: >< 14:44, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Hm, it wasn't too complicated indeed. Сай 15:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

gaa is not Gbaya

The setup for Wp/Gaa says that it is for Gbaya. Gbaya is gba. gaa is Ga. Something should be moved. And the link from the English 'pedia on the Gbaya language page fixed. Robert Ullmann 11:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. It's one of the many tests with wrong or unexisting codes. SPQRobin 13:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Translator group

I've already been thinking about a translator group, so users can translate in the MediaWiki namespace, instead of asking admins and/or using hacks like on Template:Test wiki/translations. But now, because of the request at Incubator:Administrators#Purodha, I'd like to see what others think of such a translator group... Greetings, SPQRobin 15:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually this is a good idea, but: "translators" would be able to edit ALL MediaWiki messages (abuse!), not only the few (how many are there? 4? 5?) which need translation. And it's really not difficult or complicated to ask an admin (there could be even a request page). --MF-W {a, b} 13:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I support the idea, and do not expect much abuse, do you really? Maybe people make mistakes, and protecting against those of unexperienced users is imho sufficiently taken care of by assignig translators rights upon request, and not giving them automatically. --Purodha 22:30, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, if no-one opposes during 5 days, I will make a bugzilla request to create this group. --MF-W {a, b} 14:11, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I still support this, but I'm also not quite sure whether we really need this. I've been experimenting in my sandbox to find a super-excellent way to translate here, but no idea has come up yet :-) SPQRobin 16:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Bug created, see bugzilla:15443. --MF-W {a, b} 17:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bug has been fixed. SPQRobin 19:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

So, is it OK that we make someone a translator if they just ask it & show that they are not new to Wikimedia (e.g. link to a main account)? SPQRobin 20:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes. --MF-W {a, b} 10:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Admin status policy

I:RFA says: "When there are no votes or comments anymore in the next five days after the last vote or comment, a bureaucrat will make a decision based on the votes and comments." I propose to change this into "After seven days, a bureaucrat will make a decision based on the votes and comments 1) to grant, 2) not to grant, 3) to extend the time for discussion if there is still need for it." because if e.g. everyday someone comes and comments, this extends the time for (not) doing the request. Of course point 3) will not happpen very often.

To get this to a result, I created the following voting... which will last seven days. --MF-W {a, b} 14:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Support (change the policy):

  1. --MF-W {a, b}
  2. Good idea. (It might also be necessary for someone to extend it sometime.) Cbrown1023 talk 14:45, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  3. Yes, this issue had come up at the previous policy change (i.e. when this formulation was introduced). SPQRobin 16:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  4. Sure — VasilievVV 16:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Support 1+2, not 3:

  1. sounds reasonable. -- Purodha 08:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Oppose (don't change the policy):


Hi,i notice that the localized messages in incubator for my language are not updated ,I'm wandering if they are not synchronized automatically between Betawiki and incubator, and if that's not the case what Can i do to update them. --Agzennay 01:54, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Incubator (and all other Wikimedia wikis) are updated by system administrators. It can take some days, and sometimes a few weeks until they update the sites. If you want to know the exact system, you can see on Special:Version the version on which this site runs, 1.35.0-wmf.16 (d1b08c7). The number between brackets is the revision of Subversion. So (at this time of writing) the site is updated to r40071, some 6 days ago. See here for a list of the latest committed revisions. Greetings, SPQRobin 14:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks for this informations --Agzennay 17:14, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Can someone up date the logo on the mainpage to Wikimedia-logo-meta.png
[[Image:Wikimedia-logo-meta.png]] Thanks Prom3th3an 15:21, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Done (used the svg logo without text). SPQRobin 16:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

test project statistics

Is there any method that we can use to show the number of articles in a test project automatically other than the NUMBEROFARTICLES template? --Agzennay 06:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There is {{PAGESINCATEGORY}}, but note bugzilla:14237. --MF-W {a, b} 15:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Coptic letters

  • Could the Coptic letters font be added to writing on the project to eleminate the need to use the Greek letters in its place , which are not quite correct. Ghaly 08:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Do you mean below the edit form, MediaWiki:Edittools? SPQRobin 10:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes please, Thanks--Ramsis II 22:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
See my talk page. SPQRobin 18:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Requests for new projects on Meta

On Meta there is a page where new languages are requested. Each request has a corresponding article where the language committee decides on the progress or the acceptability of such requests. A template is used and most of the parameters are compulsory. It came to my notice a month ago that many request do not have anyone proposing the request.

Given that this is where it is indicated if you are willing to actively contribute to the proposed project, it is considered vital for considering the request eligible. People who request a new language should have a Meta user.

Please check if the request for the language you are working on does indicate that people are willing to support the project, I am of a mind to reject proposals that do not have people willing to contribute to a project.

Thanks, 08:11, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Well,, anonymous users requesting things is bad, isn't it? Gerard, you see, it can easily happen to be "not identifiable" on foreign projects (and Incubator users are foreign on Meta just as Meta users are on Incubator). So instead of closing all requests with no official requester, how about checking the test project before?! If there are logged-in users active in the test project, you have your requester. If there are no logged-in users active in the test, but there are IPs active, you can try to contact the IP user on the IP talk or the test project talk. Ask the user to identify at the request on Meta. If he does react, you have a requester. If he doesn't react on that, you can safely close the request. If there is no activity in the test at all, you too can close the request. But a general appeal to the anonymous masses like this with no direct contact won't reach many people. (you know the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? The plans had been on display for fifty years on Alpha Centauri.)--::Slomox:: >< 17:05, 26 October 2008 (UTC)



I was looking for the incubator mailinglist. I could not find it so i think he is not there.

I was wondering... Is it a idea to create one? It is a nice way to communicate. I can understand that not everybody is here every day. Most people check the emails every day. So if it's important it can be a nice idea to use a mailinglist. I would like to here some opinionp about this. Sterkebaktalk 11:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I once had the same idea, but I thought we would be with too few people for a mailing list. This page (I:CP and Incubator:News) contains the most important information and discussions. But indeed why not create it if the others also want a mailing list... SPQRobin 14:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, if there are enough people we could of course have one. But what topics should be discussed there? I wouldn't know anything. --MF-W {a, b} 17:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

but should i place the reqeust on bugzilla? We can get one. Not all mailinglist are very active. The commons list has less than 1 topic a month. But the post can help communications. There are also people than read the list and wen needed the come to a wiki for discussion or something like that. Sterkebaktalk 18:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

it sound good idea to me also.I support this idea .so hopefully SterkeBak will request it on bugzilla --Mardetanha 20:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC) Sterkebaktalk 19:09, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
And now: :-) SPQRobin 19:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

List of unprefixed pages expansion

Currently, I:LOUP shows only pages with invalid ISO codes or even without them. However, it still tolerates valid ISO codes with suffixes (stuff like Wp/en-foobar/Main Page). I plan to turn this toleration off for future, since we already got rid of most of bad-name pages with completely invalid ISO code or totally wrong name. Also so far I know new wikis creation policy does not currently allow any suffixes.

I took a brief look and it seems there will be about 1400 pages added.

Are there any questions, comments, suggestions?

Danny B. 21:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

How many tests are there with suffixes? If there are only a few, it might be better to move them to correct codes or delete them (by bot of course - who wants to move/del. 1400 pages?) before expanding LOUP. --MF-W {a, b} 15:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I am not 100% exactly sure this will be the complete list, however, if there were any additions it would be only in ones of pages.

| wiki                       | count |
| Wb/bg-old                  |     2 |
| Wb/zh-yue                  |     3 |
| Wn/zh-yue                  |     2 |
| Wp/aeres-old               |     1 |
| Wp/art-da                  |    33 |
| Wp/bat-bld                 |     1 |
| Wp/bat-ltg                 |   407 |
| Wp/bat-smg                 |     1 |
| Wp/be-ppr                  |     1 |
| Wp/bro-nor                 |     3 |
| Wp/chu-nom                 |    14 |
| Wp/dv-Mahal                |     1 |
| Wp/dv-mahl                 |    13 |
| Wp/el-koine                |     1 |
| Wp/fa-af                   |     9 |
| Wp/gos-li                  |     1 |
| Wp/gsc-brn                 |     1 |
| Wp/gsc-es                  |     7 |
| Wp/ima-mt                  |     1 |
| Wp/ja-bungo                |    12 |
| Wp/jpn-bungo               |   161 |
| Wp/jpn-clasical            |     1 |
| Wp/jpn-classical           |   378 |
| Wp/ka-old                  |     2 |
| Wp/kk-latn                 |     2 |
| Wp/ko-chung                |     4 |
| Wp/ko-hanja                |     1 |
| Wp/ko-jeju                 |     2 |
| Wp/lzz-ge                  |     1 |
| Wp/lzz-lat                 |     7 |
| Wp/new-mul                 |     5 |
| Wp/pt-br                   |   241 |
| Wp/pt-riv                  |     8 |
| Wp/roa-abr                 |    10 |
| Wp/ru-lat                  |     1 |
| Wp/ru-old                  |     2 |
| Wp/ru-oldВикипедiя         |     1 |
| Wp/vi-nom                  |    74 |
| Wp/x-West_Frisian_(creol)  |     2 |
| Wp/x-awenuÿ_(lat)          |     1 |
| Wp/x-langdemon             |     1 |
| Wt/art-da                  |     1 |
| Wt/art-li                  |     1 |
| Wt/x-Kadazandusun          |     4 |

I guess those 1 page only wikis can be whitelisted, since I suppose, it's just the info page the wiki has been rejected, or moved to Wikia or something like that. However, it still needs check, if it is this way and there's no "main page" instead there.

Danny B. 17:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

A first look:

--MF-W {a, b} 11:40, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Interesting list. I marked some projects with same templates and/or those with only one or two pages (deleted). All one-page-projects are now done, I think. SPQRobin 12:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I've created namespace separated list with PrefixIndex links. Feel free to update it there.
Danny B. 13:47, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you please add the whitelist to that page? - I think the biggest problem is wp/bat-ltg (Latgalian). According to en.wp its ISO 639-2 code is bat. Could we move it? --MF-W {a, b} 16:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitelist is there, but toolserver has replication lag. :-)
Danny B. 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

MF-W, "bat" is (like "gem", "fiu", iirc.) a code for a whole language family. It is used on a WP article when the language doesn't have an own code. So don't move the test to that code. SPQRobin 12:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Then we unfortunately need to delete that test because it has no ISO code and will never become approved. --MF-W {a, b} 17:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Before deletion we should export all such pages to xml and keep the backup somewhere in case they'd like to start the project on Wikia or elsewhere.
Danny B. 19:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)



I had notice that the most templates here are in English and don't have translations.

I was thinking to make a list for the important templates and try to translate them so everybody can read those.

We need to update all templates so the user can pick the version he wants.

how is the opinion about this?

Sterkebaktalk 08:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

A good idea, the translation project only includes two templates. --MF-W {a, b} 16:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I think we should use the MediaWiki namespace for the translations, and use the translator group :-) Btw, what do you mean with "We need to update all templates so the user can pick the version he wants."? SPQRobin 17:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Like the welcome template. A menu with al translations in it :) Sterkebaktalk 18:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Language policy community draft. Approval procedure

Dears community members:

the Language proposal policy community draft, is looking for a approval procedure. Please provide ideas to fix the approval mechanism of this community draft.




If i try to rename a page or template and but a prefix in front of it.. I return to the search page instead of the rename page. Any with the same problem? Sterkebaktalk 07:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Wikids, an encyclopedia for children. Allows you to wikipedia easier and clearer for children.

Incubator does not host proposals for new projects, only new language editions of existing Wikimedia projects (Special:SiteMatrix). SPQRobin 15:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


I tried out the Incubator's sandbox, and it saved my changes. I erased them, but the sandbox needs fixed! -BlueCaper 14:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

So I'm really glad there is a test Wiki for Jamaican Creole, but the current main page needs some editing. I'm not sure how to do so, so I'm hoping to contact the administrators so they can do it.

The language is 'Jamaican Creole,' not 'Jamaican Patois.' (Patois is a french term which doesn't not have a definite linguistic meaning.)

'Patwa/Jamiekan/Jumiekan' are the local names for the language, not 'Langwij Jumieka' (which is the name of a bilingual site in Jamaican Creole and English).

I would love to translate the template into Patwa, but I do not know where to make such changes. Do I just create a new page, 'template' and have the administrators review then use it on the main page?

Thanks. --Sandevaj 05:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems you solved the problem yourself ([1]); but which is the template you want to translate? --MF-W {a, b} 15:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Importer rights

Currently there is no policy for becoming importer. It's also not really needed to make this difficult or something, but my main reason is to give stewards a link to this policy when they ask for it :-)

Anyway, I propose changing the following (added marked in bold): "There are no requests for bureaucratship or import access; any administrator may optionally ask to become a bureaucrat or importer after one month (providing they have behaved well)."

Greetings, SPQRobin 20:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

support support ----Mardetanha 20:14, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
support support -Markvondeegel 12:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
No. Being admin should not be necessary for becoming importer (it is of course useful) [e.g. VasilievVV first became importer and then admin.]. --MF-W {a, b} 17:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Hmm.. That's true. Well, if you got an idea for a simple policy :-) SPQRobin 19:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
If want that policy it could also be possible to give a crat importright, you don't have to ask the import rights when you are a crat. Abigor talk 09:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I propose the following policy (to make it admin-independent), along with some basic info like the other sections at I:A:
When requesting importer access, after three days, a bureaucrat will make a decision based on the votes and comments to grant, not to grant, or to extend the time for discussion if there is still need for it.
Which is the same for admin but 3 days instead of 7. Any comments or opposes? SPQRobin 13:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. --MF-W {a, b} 15:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Me either --Mardetanha 16:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
No problem by me either :) Abigor talk 21:17, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


The interwiki links on Masry wiktionary are directing to the WIKIPEDIA instead of other wiktionaries in other languages. As I understood, interwiki links should be from a wikipedia to another and from a wiktionary to another etc.I don't know if other Test wiktionaries on the incubator are facing the same problem or not, but I really wonder if a solution could provided for this problem. Thank you--Ramsis II 10:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

This problem is caused by interwiki links on Incubator not specifying a project go to Wikipedia automatically. Maybe there's a better solution, but the obvious way is to use [[:wikt:languagecode:Pagename]] links. --MF-W {a, b} 16:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)