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These were discussions of the past on Manchu Wikipedia. If you want to discuss now, please come here. However, please do not delete the discussions below because they contain some useful information.

Updates of Manchu Wikipedia[edit]

  1. 30 March 2007 - 17 April 2007 : Manchu Vocabulary/Relationship with other Altaic languages, Preview of Manchu script with Sample Manchu text
  2. 17 April 2007 - 4 May 2007 : Reorganization of Manchu vocabulary and Creation of a portal
  3. 19 April 2007 - present : Creation templates

Status : Manchu Wikipedia in 3 Differents Level[edit]

  • Level 1 ujui/tuktan tangkani: Manchu articles redirected to English Wikipedia : 85 articles
  • Level 2 jacin/dulimba tangkani: Manchu articles written only in Romanized Manchu language : 6 articles
  • Level 3 ilaci/den tangkani : Manchu articles written in pure Manchu script : 0 article (It's latin......Daicing gurun-i Enduringge Han-i gung erdemui bei

Sample Manchu text (in Unicode)[edit]

ᠮᠠᠨᠴᠤ;

4ᠮᠠᠨᠴᠤ 3ᠮᠠᠨᠴᠤ 2ᠮᠠᠨᠴᠤ 1ᠮᠠᠨᠴᠤ

Relationship with other Altaic languages (tulergi guruni gisun)[edit]

The tables below provides a vocabulary comparison that illustrates a number of examples of sound shifts that have occurred between Goguryeo languages and the main w:Buyeo and w:Tungusic languages, along with a selection of minority languages.

English Goguryeo
Chinese pronun.
Turkic Mongol w:Old Japanese Japanese Baekje Silla w:Middle Korean Korean Tungusic Jurchen Manchu Evenki
ruler k∧i/kai
(皆)
*** kaγan(可汗) ki1mi1(君) *** kan(干)/han(翰) kan(干) *** *** *** *** han ***
hole (孔) dzei〈tsei〉-ts‘ii
斉次/濟次
*** *** suk-(透),suki(隙) あな ,こう (ana,kou孔) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
hole (穴) kap,kap-pii
甲,甲比
qapca(峡谷),qapi¨γ(門蔽い) *** kafi<*kapi;kaΦi1(峡 あな(ana,穴) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
stone *** *** *** *** いし(石) turak(珍惡) 돓 (石) 돌ㅎ(石) *** *** *** jahari(碎石子,small pieces of stone) ***
Rock,Soil (巌,峴,岑) pa-・ιəi,pua-・ιəi*pàI,pa'i /pua-斤ei,*paxe
巴衣,波衣,波兮
*** *** iΦa-Φo(巌) いわお ( iwao 巌) *** *** pa-hoi(巌)巴衣,바회 *** pax(石・崖)
(Nivkh)
*** wehe,boihon ***
Land (壌,壤) nuəi/no/nua
内/奴~弩/悩
*** *** na(地,国・大地) 国、陸地 kuni ,rikuti くに 、りくち *** nu¨~nu¨ri/nε (世) na-rah나랗(國,国) *** na (地,土地) na na(土地) ***
Nation (nua) >na/no
內,那,奴,惱
*** ulus(<*hulu-s<* bulu-s) kohori '郡' - *** puri (부리,夫里) *** *** *** guru-n(< * buru-n) guru-n(< * buru-n) gurun ***
walled city, fort’,castle kuru/ku ër/huət/hol
(忽)
qol-γan k ri-yen '울타리, 방책',/qol-γan kì/ki2/kuru *** ki/puri (부리,夫里) 火(伐. por) 벌 (野) kol(谷・洞) kur ~kur ~kuran *** kuran~ kuren 城, 柵, /holo(谷)/golo(省) ***
Fire
(城)
*** *** *** *** pu¨ri(集落) 火(伐. por), pɔ¨l(火)/p∧l(集落) pщl(火) *** *** towo tuwa,bulu-(暖) ***
high dat/§ap (or tar)
(達)
*** *** taka-si(高)/take2(岳) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** den(<dek-,to rise,升起) ***
mountain (山/沱) gapma/mιuən
(達/文)
taγ(山) *** yama(山)/mure(山)/mori(森) *** *** moe (山) moi(山) *** *** *** alin,hada ***
tree,wood ・ιet/kìr ~ key/kιən
(乙/斤)
i¨(森)/i¨γac(木) *** kì/ki2/ke2~ko2/ku *** *** *** *** *** *** *** moo,hälin(*ilan boo i angga gisun) ***
spring water ((泉(井))) əl ,er, ・ιo-・ιet(-mai)
於乙(買)
bul-a-q(泉)/bul-a-γ(泉) ωs (水) iri (泉)/ 伊梨(iri)/wi(井) *** *** 'ɔ¨l(井) u-mщl(井戸水) *** eri~erri(川)
(Nivkh)
*** üla (江) ***
water (水,川) mai,mie/ 모로
(買,米,模盧)
*** mören뫼렌 (江, 海)
müren (沐漣) /뮈렌moron (木連) (Khitanese)
midu/mi1 *** *** *** 믈/mщl *** mu mu 沒 mu-ke mū(水)
sea pua
(波)
*** *** ***  うみ umi 海  *** patɔr patah~par∧ *** *** *** bolo(山谷),boljon ***
Pond nuəi-mei/*nuam /nami
(内米)
*** *** nami 波 *** *** *** *** *** namu, lamu(海) *** namu(洋),mederi ***
big/long na
(奈)
*** *** naga(長) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** amba,golmin ***
mouth huət-ts‘ii/ku ërtsi/k útsi< *kutui, >* kolci/ko-ts‘ii
(忽次/古次/串)
*** 훌츠qurc(Khalka)(串) kutu~kuti/kuti < *kutui *** *** *** 곶(串) kulrε (Cheju dialect)
kul(South Jeolla dialect)
*** *** kut-(cattle) ***
to enter ・ιi/*i
(伊)
*** ire-
(to come)
ir-(入) *** *** *** ip(口)/ip(門戸) *** i-(入) *** -ji-(dosimbi inu) ***
new ∫ιəu/*sü
*** *** *** *** say sai (새) *** *** iche ice ***
ox ∫ιəu/*sü
*** *** usi *** *** *** syo/쇼 *** *** *** ihan ***
pig ・o-sie/・o-s^i¨Λη
烏斯/烏生
*** *** wi *** *** *** *** doijie/돼지 *** *** ulgiyen ***
Water deer kosaya
(古斯也)
*** *** kuzika *** *** *** *** *** *** *** bugu,buhū ***
horse *** *** mori~muri uma~muma *** *** *** mΛl/(馬) *** mori
(Nanai)
*** morin ***
Axe ・ιo-sie
(於斯)
*** *** wono2 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** suhe ***
(廣) 어시
(於斯)
*** osy/esy 阿斯(寬大) (Khitanese) *** *** *** *** 어위 (< *어쉬) *** *** 오초očo 我撮(寬) ončo(廣) ***
(横) ・ιo-sie/*es
(於斯)
*** *** yo2ko2(横)/yo2k-(避) *** *** *** əs/엇 *** *** *** hetu ***
Lead nəi-miuət/namer
(乃勿)
*** *** namari *** *** *** namɔr nap/납 *** *** tarcan ***
valley tan/tuən/t‘ən
(旦,頓,呑)
*** *** tani *** *** *** t∧n~tu∧n(村) *** *** *** ton(数目,号码)tokso(村) ***
Grain niəη-biu∧t
仍伐
*** *** ina-Φo(稲穂)/mi2(実) *** *** *** pyə(稲) nui
(白米中に混じた稗)
*** *** bele,ira(糜子) ***
rough kuət-・ιəi
(骨衣)
*** *** *** *** *** ka¨c‘ɔ¨l kəc‘щl *** *** *** *** ***
Plough ka-∫ιi
(加尸)
kerci-(切る、溝を掘る) *** *** *** *** *** karai(木[木+欠]・鍬),kal-(耕す),kal(刀) *** gerbe-(折る)
(Nanai)
*** halhan(犂先)/halhan~halgan(犂[金+華]) gerbe-(折る)
side edge ka-(・a)
(加阿)
kera *** *** *** *** *** k∧s *** *** *** erin(边,时) ***
round toη-pιuəi
(冬非)
*** *** tubura(丸)/maro2(丸) *** *** *** tuηkщl(丸) *** *** *** tongki(圈点满文之点) ***
Iron mau-・ιet
(毛乙)
ta¨mir(鉄) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** sele ***
Heavy (重) bιεt
(別)
*** *** Φe1 *** *** *** p∧l *** *** *** ujen ***
pine pιu-sie/pιu-so
(扶蘇/扶蘇)
*** *** *** *** *** *** sol(松)/pos(樺) *** *** *** jakdan ***
green bιu∧t-lιək
(伐力)
*** *** *** *** *** *** p‘ulu- *** *** *** niowanggiyan ***
deep bιuk-sie/puk
(伏斯)
*** *** Φuka-si/puka- *** *** *** kiph u˙n *** *** *** šumin ***
foot
(廻)
palgan(足) *** kuw-(蹴) *** *** *** 발(足) *** *** fuli (to walk) bethe halgan(足)
Weasel (狌) yia-∫ιi
(也尸)
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
Village ιi-bιu∧t-t∫ιe
(伊伐支)
*** *** usi(主) *** *** *** ius(隣) *** *** *** *** ***
Frost sat
(薩)
*** *** simo *** *** *** səri *** *** *** saimagi ***
(菁) ka-t∫ιe
(加支)
*** *** kabu(蕪・頭) *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
(鵠) ko-・ιəi
(古衣)
qoγu *** kukuΦi1~kubi1 *** *** *** kohai *** *** *** *** ***
group, tribe 斤ιu-∫ιi /uji
(于尸)
*** *** ukara(族) *** *** *** ul(戚) *** *** *** uksura ***
tooth k∧i-∫ιi
(皆尸)
*** *** ki1 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** weihe ***
flat, level pii-lιεt/piar
(比烈)
biri *** pira- *** *** *** y o˙th o˙/ny o˙th o˙/’yath u˙n,yət-t‘щl *** *** *** necin ***
mother yia-ts'ii
(也次)
*** *** ΦaΦa(母)/oya(親) *** *** *** əmi(母・親) *** *** eniyen eme,eniye ***
baby gιəu-sie/ku(s)
(仇斯)
*** *** ko1 (子) kodomo *** *** *** *** *** omo juse kuηa (子供)
bear komok
(功木)
*** *** kuma kuma koma *** koma kom *** *** lefu ***
rabbit ・o-sie-həm
usaxam
osaham
(烏斯含)
tawïsγan *** usagi1~wosagi1 *** *** *** *** *** *** *** gūlmahūn ***
To meet p∧k/*pak
(伯)
bak-(見) *** *** *** *** *** *** po-(見る)/poi-~poizΛp-(謁見する) *** baka -(찾다) baha-(得) baka-(発見)
hard ma
(馬)
*** *** ma(真) *** *** *** *** modzi- (酷,激) *** manga(難) maηga(堅,難) maηa
heart
chest
kιo-∫ιi
(居尸)
göğüs kökün ko2ko2ro2(心)/koro(自分自身) *** *** *** *** kogäŋi / kasʰщm(心,胸) *** *** huhun (乳,乳房) ***
garlic mai-t∫ιi
(買尸)
*** maηgirsun(野蒜) mi1ra(韮) *** *** *** man∧l
(蒜)
manщl *** *** *** ***
root ts∧m
(斬)
*** *** *** *** *** pul?(根) pul-hui(根) *** t∫amγ(根株)
(Nivkh
*** fulehe,da ***
writing
litterature
kιən-∫ιi
(斤尸)
*** *** ko2to2(言) *** *** *** kщl kщl *** herse hergen ***
jade ko-sie
(古斯)
*** gas kusiro2(釧) *** *** *** kusщl *** *** γun gu ***
three mir, mil
(密)
siet/s^ïei
(悉/史)
bis(5) gurav mi mi *** mil sei/səih sʰet̚ *** ilan ilan ***
five ütsi,uci,üc,
uca,uchha
(宇次)
üç(3) *** itu itsu *** *** *** *** dügün sunja sunja ***
seven nan-・ιən,
nanən,nanun,
nanin
(難隠)
*** *** nana *** *** *** *** *** nadan nadan nadan ***
ten tək,duk
(德)
on
toquz(9)
arav tö2wö tō- *** *** *** yol juwa juwan juwan ʒuwan
black *kəmər, kəmhək
(今勿)
kara *** kuro1 kuro (i) *** *** kəm-/검- k∧m *** *** kara,sahaliyan ***
white nə γei
∫ιi-lap
(奈兮 / 尸臘)
*** *** naga(長)/sira(白) shiro(i) *** *** hΛi(白) hΛi *** *** šanggiyan ***
red s^a-bιuk
s^a-pιuəi-kιən
sa(i)puk, sa(i)pikon
sapi
沙伏, 沙非斤
*** hulaan söfo<*söpo/so2Φo(赭,朱)/sa(接頭語) *** supi(赤鳥) *** pulgщn *** *** *** fulgiyan ***
yellow kweyru/kuət
kuër,kuər (骨)
*** *** ki2-~ kú- ki(iroi) *** *** *** *** *** *** kūke(青色),suwayan ***

Additional Manchu (Transliterated) Vocabulary comparisons[edit]

Manju.svg

...-(r)akū= negation Index (N = Nanai) (J = Jurchen) (M = Manchu)
elder brother- aga (N) ahun (J) agu (M, although its used for elder men) ahun (M)
spirit - aimi (N) eringe (J) enduringge (M)
gold - aishin (N) ancun (J) aisin (M)
mouth - amnga (N) amga (J) angga (M)
heaven/sky - ba (N) abka (J) abka (M)
bowl - cheremi (N) moro (J) moro (M)
father (formal) - ama (N) amin (J) ama (M)
sea - lamu (N) meterin (J) namu,mederi (M)
cow - ihan (N) ihan (ox)(J) ihan (M)
turtle (Chinese based word) - hailung (N)
dragon - muduri (N) mudur (J) muduri (M)
water - muk (N) mu (J) muke (M)
horse - morin (N) morin (J) morin (M)
cart - sejen (N) seje (J) sejen (M)
dog - yinda (N) indahun (J) indahūn (M)
1- emke (N) emu (J) emu/emke (M)
2- juru (N) juwe (J) juwe (M)
3- ilan (N) ilan (J) ilan (M)
4-duyin (N) duwin (J) duin (M)
5-sunja (N) s/shunja (J) sunja (M)
6-ninggu (N) ningu (J) ninggun (M)
7-nadan (N) nadan (J) nadan (M)
8-jakung (N) jakun (J) jakun (M)
9-uyun (N) uyun (J) uyun (M)
10-juan (N) juwa (J) juwan (M)
11-juanke (N) amso (J) juwan emu (M)
12-juwan juwe (M)
15-topkun (N) tobohon (J) tofohon (M)
20-x|ori.̃(N) horin(J) orin (M)
47-tehi nadan (J) ᠔᠗ - ᡩᠵᡥᢗ ᠨ᠇ᠳ᠇ᡝ dehi nadan (M)

So, can we delete this now?[edit]

There are 1/10 as many pages written in Manchu on this wikipedia as the PRC estimates there are speakers of the language, and this is one of the least spoken Altaic languages which still exists. Why don't we have a Xibe wikipedia while we're at it? They outnumber Manchu speakers 500 to 1. I know "Manchu" is a sexy sounding word that reminds us all of big moments in Chinese history, but most people who speak the language today don't call themselves "Manchu" and most people who call themselves "Manchu" don't speak the language today.

The author of this unsigned comment is 118.160.171.238, see this. (Added by 虞海 (Yú Hǎi))

Go ahead ! --Budelberger 21:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).
No! You can start a Xibe Wikipedia but do NOT delete this. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi)
Who, « you » ? Me ? I have starterd a Xibe test, but I don't want Manchu test to stop ! See here… --Budelberger 08:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).
Well, 118.160.171.238 said "So, can we delete this now?" and you replied "Go ahead !" so I thought you want to delete this. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 09:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Script and font size[edit]

I think we can use the traditional manchu script thwartwise instead of using Romanized script.And i feel the font is too small. Shall we make it largely? For example font-size: 160%

I`m Manchu. ᠪᡳ ᠮᠠᠨᠵᡠ ᠨᡳᠶᠠᠯᠮᠠ᠉

I`m Manchu. ᠪᡳ ᠮᠠᠨᠵᡠ ᠨᡳᠶᠠᠯᠮᠠ᠉

The author of this unsigned comment is Sider, see this. (Added by 虞海 (Yú Hǎi))

Support, if you're really a Manchu people. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) 03:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)


Unicode of Manchu has been developed now. And I have just seen a Mongolian-language website where the traditional vertical Mongolian script is used. The address of this website is [1] (Xin Hua Net of China(PRC) in Mongolian). Unicode of Manchu has been developed now. So can we think about the Manchu script now? --Obonggi (talk) 04:21, 15 August 2016 (UTC)Obonggi

Main Page?[edit]

Is it OK to translate the word as "ujui bithe" into Manchu? Or do you have some better ideas? --Bi oci emke demesi.Niyalma de tusa arambi 20:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

I propose ᡠᠵᡠᡳ ᠠᡶᠠᡥᠠ (ujui afaha), literally "first page". 160.39.22.28 05:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
inu sain. sinde banihalambi. --Bi oci emke demesi.Niyalma de tusa arambi 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit]

The logo needs to be replaced. The present one reads: "Fikipedin, freely complete book". Dalt 22:16, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

How about this:"Fikipediya(or "Uikipediya), yaya niyalma imbe araci ojoro bithe"? but it seems that it's not better than the previous one......=_=" --Bi oci emke demesi.Niyalma de tusa arambi 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Note:I've modfied my suggestion from the old one into "Fikipediya(or "Uikipediya), yaya niyalma i araci ojoro tacin bithe/yooni bithe" .......=_="--Bi oci emke demesi.Niyalma de tusa arambi 19:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

The Manchu script version should be added on the Logo, otherwise it is no more Manchu.|Logo的圖片上面應該加上豎版的滿文,不然就不是滿語維基了。Obonggi (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)Obonggi Beins

OK, I added it. But the currently problem is there is Inkscape 0.91, the most desirable FOSS SVG editor as I know, does not support Manchu text layout at all, so I have made it as PNG only. --Great Brightstar (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! But there are some errors in the PNG. Maybe your version is Xibe, but in Manchu the thing is different from that. (1)ku in buleku (2)ki in Uikipidiya (3)sul in sulfangga . Can you bother fix it? --Obonggi (talk) 04:13, 15 August 2016 (UTC)Obonggi
OK, I fixed it. In this version I reproduce the text via Manchu input method of BabelPad (previous version I was made by coping letters from Wikipedia article). It seems to me that u is spelled by "Sibe Ue" in this case, ki in Uikipidiya is spelled as ke instead. --Great Brightstar (talk) 12:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Some thoughts......[edit]

In order to write some articles, I invented some terms that hasen't been found in other places yet...... --高坂桐乃@きりりん氏 22:45, 27 February 2012 (UTC)