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UNICODE與太清字體[edit source]

問題信息

  • 問題狀態:待解決或擱置。
  • 當前最佳方案:上傳網頁字體(WebFont)。

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好的,我同意閣下的意見,滿語維基應當採用一種普適的編碼規則。

可否將蒙古白體及相關輸入法寄至我的電郵?--Obonggi (talk) 08:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

我已上傳,請收下:https://userscloud.com/78gztufsqe8g --Great Brightstar (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

這裏是 Unicode 官方的代碼表,內附各個字母的上下文變體及控制字符的用法,可供參考:http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1800.pdf
另外各個瀏覽器對滿蒙文字排版的支援各不相同。由於多數這類字型採用 OpenType 技術實作,這就主要取決於各個瀏覽器對 OpenType 的支援方式。IE 依靠 Uniscribe,Chrome、Firefox 都依靠 HarfBuzz,Safari 依靠 Core Text,至於 Edge 我不清楚,好像用的是 DirectWrite。--Great Brightstar (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

多謝--Obonggi (talk) 09:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To:Obonggi:
Great Brightstar先生已经给出字体和输入法。我要说的是上面说的蒙文白体,win8/win10是系统自带的,win10自带传统蒙古文输入法。然而由于mongolian unicode 中蒙文、满文(存在)对应(关系的)字母并非完全重合(如G.B.先生给出的unicode standard1800);太清输入法已能输入满文的unicode。那么如果只输入满文,蒙古文输入法是不必要的Араси (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
至於滿文輸入法,除太清輸入法以外,還有 BabelPad 内置的輸入法。--Great Brightstar (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
收到Араси (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

输入法我弄明白了,太清输入法既可以配合太清字体也可以配合蒙文白体。

那么是字体的问题?如果以蒙文白体为标准的话,那么太清字体就是部分不正确的。反之亦然,如果以太清白体为标准,蒙文白体就是部分不正确的。如果是我上面说的那样,那么可以有以下两种解决方法:

  • 推荐人们使用其中一种字体,以这种字体为标准。(但如果人多了以后似乎就难办了。)
  • 到维基申请蒙文白体和太清字体之间的编码自动切换。这样人们可以使用其中任何一种字体。(推荐,因为它们毕竟都是被人们使用的字体。)

蒙文白体的圈点位置我看到了,的确不规范。这个可以像G.B.先生说的那样,联系原作者。--Obonggi (talk) 12:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MediaWiki 的 Universal Language Selector 插件有個 WebFont 功能,用戶在 Special:Preferences 頁面激活以後就可以從伺服器上載入字型檔。這樣一來可以考慮申請 MediaWiki 開發者添加滿文字型。--Great Brightstar (talk) 13:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
那就太好了,多谢。
上传webfont的话应该用蒙白吧?太清似乎有版权问题。--Obonggi (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
蒙白体也有版权问题,因为这个是微软和北大方正合作开发的,所以两家公司对这个都有版权。BabelPad 里面点击工具 → 字体概览就能查到(如果你已经安装了)。--Great Brightstar (talk) 03:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
我在这里发现有几年没人开发的满文字体,还是 GPL 授权的,我认为可以用 FontForge 修改成符合现在 Unicode 标准的字体,这需要有人来张罗。--Great Brightstar (talk) 03:30, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
自制字体的话,我去问问别人,可能需要一段时间。另外能否使满文维基变成只用左右滚动条的那种呢?(包括主页)--Obonggi (talk) 06:47, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
像这样吗?Wp/ase/AS18517S20500S2ff00M529x544S2ff00482x483S20500519x504S18517503x517Араси (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
这样的可以。--Obonggi (talk) 08:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
这个不错。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:42, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
他们是用 MediaWiki:Gadget-Signwriting.js 这个小工具实现的,我觉得可以在这个的基础上编个小工具,不过还需要建立本 Wiki 的 common.css 和 mobile.css 来照顾其他的书写方向及版式,以在必要时允许多种书写方向的文本在页内并存。--Great Brightstar (talk) 09:52, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

分享自制的几个样式[edit source]

如果有人申请了管理员需要创建适用于本 wiki 的样式(MediaWiki:Wp/mnc/Common.css),可以到我这里来提取,然后做些拓展。任何模板、表格都可以通过 class="XXX" 来调用这些样式。--Great Brightstar (talk) 04:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

:收到Араси (talk) 08:48, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

關於豎排的處理問題,各位參攷這裏。[edit source]

在Incubator發現了Wp/ase,美國手語在孵化機的維基百科版本,他們採用了整個界面的全豎排。對於同樣有豎排需求的滿文、傳統蒙古文來說,或許可以找他們要代碼,解決豎排排版的問題。--[[User:|S7w4j9]] (talk) 14:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@User:АрасиUser:Great BrightstarUser:Obonggi--S7w4j9 (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@S7w4j9:十分感谢您的关注。之前Great Brightstar先生曾与美国手语的维护者们取得联系,Great Brightstar的建议是创建js脚本和css样式(这也是我申请test-admin的目的)。然而申请成功后发现test-admin并没有创建js和css页面的权限,加之我后来上维基的时间不多,因而搁置至今。我会尽快寻求admin的帮助创建这些的。--Араси (talk) 09:52, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
才發現原來上面討論過了,囧……--S7w4j9 (talk) 10:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]