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Latgalian has been given the ltg code by ISO[edit]

Hoi, Given that Latgalian is now recognised in the ISO 639-3 standard, it would be good to move all references from bat-ltg to ltg. Thanks, GerardM 11:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Capiznon Language not on the List[edit]

The Capiznon language is not on the internationalization list or language list. I would like to choose that language as my language preference. Thank you. unsigned comment by user:Aswang [1], 24 January 2010 8:01h

I see you have already found ([2]), where you can translate the MediaWiki interface into your language. --MF-W {a, b} 16:26, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

We already have translated the messages in Capiznon with 100% localisation on the most used messages....Capisano 07:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

This is because the Wikimedia wikis still use revision 59858, which is from December 2009. Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is to wait. --MF-W {a, b} 16:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


I got the error {{Expansion depth limit exceeded|en|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}}}. --HiddenKnowledge 21:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, there are news about the Spanish Chapter of Wikimedia, regards:

Revisión definitiva de los Estatutos del Capítulo de Wikimedia España[edit]

Se ha terminado con la redacción definitiva de los estatutos del futuro capítulo español de la Fundación Wikimedia. Se ha pretendido realizar una redacción simple y lo suficientemente flexible para que no sea necesario modificarlos en una buena temporada. Algunos de los detalles del funcionamiento de la asociación se incluirán en el futuro Reglamento de Régimen Interno para facilitar su modificación, ya que ese documento no necesita ser presentado en el Registro de Asociaciones y nos ahorramos ese papeleo.

Esta versión de los estatutos se va a someter a la votación de todos los interesados para lo que se abre un período de votación del 28 de abril al 5 de mayo, ambos inclusive. Oportunamente se hará saber el link donde se puede votar. Se ruega encarecidamente a quienes deseen proponer textos, artículos o frases alternativas, que no las intercalen en el texto del borrador de Estatutos, para no hacerlo ilegible, y que trasladen sus propuestas a la discusión de la página.

Queda convocada una reunión para el día 8 de mayo de 2010 en Madrid, reunión a la que podrán asistir todos los interesados, pues en ella se procederá a la firma del Acta de Constitución. Se ruega a todos los interesados en firmar que acudan con sus DNI o identificaciones oficiales (Pasaporte o Carné de Conducir), a ser posible en vigor.

Cualquier duda o sugerencia puede realizarse en las páginas de meta o en la lista de correo. Saludos, Elisardojm, -- 22:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikimania 2010[edit]

Wikimania 2010, this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia projects around the globe, is accepting submissions for presentations, workshops, panels, and tutorials related to the Wikimedia projects or free content topics in general. The conference will be held from July 9-11, 2010 in Gdansk, Poland. For more information, check the official Call for Participation. Cbrown1023 talk 22:16, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Creating new account error[edit]

What does th error message, " Titleblacklist-incorrect-title" mean when a user is trying to create a new account.? Aali 00:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Error with AddPrefix gadget[edit]

When I view the page:, this page display fails and there is a error when you open Firebug...--Kimkha 06:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Notification about new articles - watchlist options[edit]

Hi all, I'd like any new article created in Wp/frr to be added to my watchlist. But I didn't see this option in "my preferences". Is there a chance to realize that (or a workaround with the same effect) ? Thanks! --Murma174 09:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Dialect continuum preservation[edit]

Is there any debate here about how to prevent Wiki* from contributing to the eradication of dialect continua, by establishing de-facto orthography standards?

I see attempts at this by using lots&lots of Redirects, which, however, ultimately lead to an informal spelling standard defined by the pages that are being redirected to. I've also seen multiple pages on the same subject that differ in the lemma spelling only, which I consider inacceptable from an author's point of view. What should we do? -Mkratz 12:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I think, spelling questions should be solved within the language community. I'm not informed about this discussion re Kölsch, but there might be some sort of quasi-standards like this one: "Schreibweise nach Adam Wrede, der fast alle Kölschautoren folgen". And maybe there are two or three more of these quasi-standards. I can't see a discrimination of deviating local vernaculars, if the language community should use these standards. And I don't see a problem, if one article is written in one standard and the other article in another. Thus Wikipedia would NOT "ultimately lead to an informal spelling standard". Publishing multiple articles "on the same subject, that differ in the lemma spelling only", is waste of time an webspace IMO. Even if the lemma is not only slightly differing, one article on one subject is enough. Why not introduce every article with an overview of the different variants? Then you avoid this unacceptable number of redirects. I must apologize for my harshness, but I'm afraid, you (ksh community) will discuss this question in eternity, if you don't change the focus from the form to the content. The dialect continuum will be preserved only by those who use the dialect. Just my 2 cents. --Murma174 13:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
It's indeed true what Murma174 said above, and I wonder why this question is brought here - have problems like this arisen somewhere on Incubator? --MF-W {a, b} 17:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
Case in point wasn't the Kölsch community (don't live there anymore) but the Jamaican Patois test wiki where I'm wikignoming around a bit, as you might have gleaned from my user page. I gather Jumiekan Patwa was basically an oral language until the advent of email technology, and I was unable to find a jamaican Adam Wrede, except for some websites that may or may not be trustworthy, so I'm reluctant to touch any spelling, all the more so as not to appear as a patronizing chiizface. Luckily the incubator prefixes force a separation of wikilink and text, as in [[Wp/jam/Morkaz|Amerikaz]], but push will come to a shove once jam gets its own subdomain.
Also I have no problem with any number of redirects, but compare Mansarat and Manstarat. The problem is not webspace but diverging versions due to unsuspecting authors (might even be construed as cheating when it comes to language commitee approval) - so I turned all duplicates into REDIRs, merging contents where they already differed, but I have a very bad feeling about presumpting to choose spellings for the jam community.
Look up Post-creole continuum. I was just wondering if there's a discussion going on or a wikipolicy in place here. -Mkratz 18:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
No, we don't have any policies regarding test wikis' spellings. In this case it would be the best that the community of wp/jam makes a decision how to write it or which (sub?)dialect to use (if there are any). --MF-W {a, b} 16:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the info. I agree. I hope they won't be too upset about my tackling of duplicates. -Mkratz 19:31, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Translator policy[edit]

In IRC, it has been discussed whether an inactivity rule or fixed term should be introduced for the Translator group. I propose to introduce the following rule similar to test-admins: Translators lose their status one year after it was granted. --MF-W {a, b} 17:12, 24 July 2010 (UTC)


  • Support, seems fine to me - Romaine 17:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Unlike test-sysops who have the long-time work, translators don't, I'd say, since there's less work. So I'd go for 6 months, but I won't mind a year as well.
    Danny B. 17:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

This request has now been open for more than 2 weeks; I implemented the change in the policy [3]. --MF-W {a, b} 15:35, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Enabling kbd (Kabardian)[edit]

The incubator for the Kabardian Wikipedia is doing quite well. Also, many messages in this language have been translated in and Siebrand allowed its selection as the interface language in the preferences. Is it possible to enable it in the preferences here, too?

The codes are kbd and kbd-Cyrl. I am a bit confused about the difference between them; in any case, the incubator here is written in Cyrillic. --Amir E. Aharoni 15:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

The kbd messages will probably be avaiable in the preferences soon; they alre already present in the MediaWiki code, however, it takes some time until changes in the code are implemented in Wikimedia projects. The difference about kbd and kbd-Cyrl is that the first one is to be written in Latin script, the second one in Cyrillic script. kbd, however at the moment has no content and therefore switches to its fallback kbd-Cyrl. --MF-W {a, b} 15:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Problem with NUMBEROFARTICLES[edit]

I have a problem with the template NUMBEROFARTICLES. It does not count the pages in inside categories (2nd level...) and it counts the pages in more than one category more than once.Have you got any idea? --Companionship 21:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately there is no solution for this problem at the moment. The only possibility is to count the pages manually (this tool could be useful if you want to do that). --MF-W {a, b} 16:41, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Pipil Wiki?[edit]

Copied from my talkpage

Hi there. I am A R King, and I have been active in years past on the English, Spanish and Basque wikipedias.

I am writing because it has been brought to my attention that there is apparently a project in the incubator wiki for a Pipil Wikipedia. I have had a look and there isn't much to see. In any case what content is shown is in Mexican Nahuatl, which is a different though related langauage. My guess is that perhaps the idea is to use that as a template? Your name appears as the last editor in the incubator page's history so I am contacting you to ask for more information.

My interest in this stems from the fact that I have worked extensively on the Pipil language (also known to many of us by the preferred name of Nawat, but I will at least provisionally use Pipil since others have so as not to cause confusion). I am active in a number of projects concerning Pipil, have been either the author of or instrumental in promoting research and practical language recovery work, and am altogether very involved in Nawat/Pipil-related projects, both in El Salvador where the language is spoken, and on the internet. I was the main editor of some pages about the language on the English-language Wikipedia, such as the extensive one on Pipil grammar. Currently I am focusing most of my attention, with respect to internet projects, on work being done on Facebook, where I am involved in a group to support the language (Salvemos el idioma náhuat), a language course being developed within a facebook user page (Timumachtikan Nawat), and a Nawat-only user page with a wall where people can post in Nawat (Ne Tapepechul Nawataketza). Several hundred people are signed on to one or another of these initiatives. By academic qualification (PhD from the Univ. of London) I am a linguist, and my current professional occupation is as a translator. So much for my credentials, background and motivation.

If there is a bonafide intention to work on the development of a Wikipedia in Pipil I would most certainly like to be involved, both through personal contributions and by mobilising other people with an interest in the language with whom I am in contact to get involved somehow, or at least to read and use it. It might be a good thing for the progress of Nawat language recovery. However I am also concerned about feasibility. I realise that such a project requires a lot of dedication and frankly I don't know if it will be possible to find the people and the time for it. As indicated, we already have a number of other projects in support of the language going, and our resources are practically stretched to the limit as it is, so it is important to gauge priorities and make realistic judgments about what is feasible. If there is anyone else already out there who is interested in collaborating on a Wikipedia project, their cooperation would be appreciated in order to see whether I and the people I might be able to get involved can and ought to back this project actively.

Who can I talk to about this, or what do you suggest I do about it?

Thanks for your attention, Alan ([4]) 9 aug 2010 21:54 (CEST)

End of relocation. Romaine 22:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you Romaine for relocating that message here. I apologise for not having a registered ID, I have tried several times to create an account here and it doesn't seem to work. My user page on the English Wikipedia is [5] (A R King). 05:37, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Summaries of the above in Spanish and Nawat follow:
EN ESPAÑOL: Hola, quiero preguntar qué pasa con el proyecto pipil que parece que se empezó. ¿Hay alguien trabajando en esto? Si existe de verdad un proyecto para hacer una wikipedia en náhuat (pipil), tengo interés en involucrarme. Necesito saber quién está interesado y cuáles son sus planes, para ver si es un proyecto viable y cómo podríamos trabajar. He trabajado muy activamente en la lengua náhuat en los últimos años, tanto sobre el terreno en El Salvador, como a través de iniciativas en internet, tales como estos proyectos desarrollados en facebook: grupo "Salvemos el idioma náhuat", un curso de lengua bajo el usuario "Timumachtikan Nawat", y un muro compartido para escribir en náhuat: "Ne Tapepechul Nawataketza". Estoy en contacto con mucha gente interesada en el náhuat que se podría movilizar, quizás, si existe un proyecto serio para una wikipedia. ¿Alguien me puede contestar? Gracias. Alan ([6]) 07:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
TIK NAWAT: Naja nutukay Alan King. Nitekiti katka tik ne Wijwikipediaj tik ingles wan castillaj wan ka né nutukay A R King. Ashan nikita ka sejse pejtiwit kiketzat se yankwik Wikipedia tik Nawat ipal Kushkatan (ka nikan: [7]). Yek, naja niknekiskia nikmati ká yawi kichiwa ini, wan su tejkia ka kineki kichiwa. Hasta ashan, semaya ina ka nemi tik Nawat pero te nikita tatka ijkwilujtuk tik Nawat ipal Kushkatan, muchi nemi tik Nawat ipal Mexikaj. Ken ijtuk? Su yawi muchiwa se Wikipedia tik Nawat wan su weli muchiwa, naja niknekiskia nimetzinpalewia iwan uni. Tay anhinat? Panpadiush/Tashtawi. Alan ([8]) 07:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

You can - as on every wiki - immediately start contributing to the Wp/ppl test project, you might however want to have a look at the useful links given here first. Users who contributed to wp/ppl and seem to speak it are User:Marrovi and User:Fluence. --MF-W {a, b} 16:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

From what I understood, there are some issues with the content of Wp/ppl & Wp/nnh. There were some moves in past as well. I do not speak either of those languages, but it seems to me, some cleanup is necessary to distinguish and sort the content according to the language code.
Danny B. 18:17, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I have written to both Marrovi and Fluence and am awaiting replies, but I have been able to infer from their user pages and comments made that neither knows the language. From these and a perusal of the history, it would seem that it was started by Fluence as a Nahuatl project (that's a different, related language). The content I can see is all Nahuatl. But a few months ago Marrovi seems to have changed the language code over to Nawat/Pipil, though no Pipil content has been added and the Nahuatl stuff has not been removed either. On their user talk pages Fluence questions why this was done and Marrovi seems only to answer that "the original language code was a mistake and has now been corrected" - which makes no sense to me at all, and on the face of it looks like someone's project has been hijacked by someone else and renamed (but not repopulated with content). Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick and perhaps the aforementioned editors will enlighten me but that's how it looks. If that is what has happened (and my apologies if I'm jumping the gun and it isn't), then two language communities may have been adversely affected by this situation: the Nahuatl community if they have lost their Wiki project, and the potential Pipil community if their language code and name has been pre-empted by someone who is now representing as a Pipil project one which has no Pipil content now and has been nominally "created" by someone who shows no sign of knowing the language. My interest in this is on behalf of the "potential Pipil community", but I think the other issues mentioned are also worth pointing out.
To try and look at this in a positive light and not agonise over the bad (or plain weird) behaviours that seem to have been taking place, let us suppose for a moment that this is now a Pipil language project, and also that a bonafide group of individuals interested in Pipil (including myself no doubt) decides to develop this Wiki. Since I have read comments to the effect that there are technical problems (not just the content issues already mentioned) with what has been done to date, plus the fact that the content is at best in the wrong language and at worst may not even be adequate in other respects, it seems to me (I may be wrong) that said group would be better off with a fresh "reset" Wiki to start from and not have to undo whatever is now there if it is all wrong. This is all a bit hypothetical, but supposing this to be roughly the case, what would happen. Has the task of making a Pipil wiki been made even more arduous for a potential future group than it would be if they had to start from scratch? Or is the work that has been done usable? I think we would be in need of some sort of technical assistance to sort out that. As I suggested in my first message (above), the first step towards even considering a Pipil wikipedia would be a feasibility study. These questions do seem to impinge on any evaluation of feasibility, don't they. Help, anyone? Alan ([9]) 19:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, if it it is feasible to create a Pipil Wikipedia or not is not a question we can decide, it depends on whether you'll find enough contributors to a Pipil Test, and if this test has enough activity, the m:langcom will probably approve it so that an Pipil Wikipedia subdomain will be created (for details, see the policy). I see that Pipil language seems to be hanging somewhere between extinction and recovery, but even if the Pipil Test WP does not succeed, it's better to have tried it at least, isn't it?
About the problems with the existing muddle with wp/nhn and wp/ppl: It is of course possible to start a new empty test, however there are only the following 24 pages in the wp/ppl space, so maybe it would be possible to have a look which language they are written in, and if they're written in nhn (or another language), they could be moved where they belong, and otherwise stay there if they are really written in ppl language?
  1. Wp/ppl
  2. Wp/ppl/Altepet
  3. Wp/ppl/At
  4. Wp/ppl/Atl
  5. Wp/ppl/Kaliqat
  6. Wp/ppl/Kalixat
  7. Wp/ppl/Kalixatl
  8. Wp/ppl/Kalixqat
  9. Wp/ppl/Presidente_in_Mexiko
  10. Wp/ppl/Se
  11. Wp/ppl/Tlali
  12. Wp/ppl/Tlapouali
  13. Wp/ppl/Tlet
  14. Wp/ppl/Tonati
  15. Wp/ppl/Tukat
  16. Wp/ppl/Tunal
  17. Wp/ppl/Ume
  18. Wp/ppl/Wikipedia
  19. Template:Wp/ppl/Neneukayot
  20. Template:Wp/ppl/Neneukayotl
  21. Template:Wp/ppl/Neneukayut
  22. Template:Wp/ppl/Wikipedialanguage
  23. Template:Wp/ppl/·
  24. Category:Wp/ppl

--MF-W {a, b} 16:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look at those pages and come back to you on that. I will also begin to put out feelers to our community of Pipil/Nawat enthusiasts about the interest in the project from that end. I agree with what you say about it being worth the try - IF there is some initial belief that success is even a possibility and PROVIDED focusing efforts there doesn't force a transfer of limited resources from other more viable projects. That is for us to decide, agreed, I'm just saying it is complicated. Another thing: today I see two new minor edits on the page by an anonymous editor. But the edits don't seem to bring the page significantly closer to actually being in Pipil! I can't figure out what is going on: are the editors not genuinely thinking of this as a Pipil encyclopedia? Is this even some sort of subterfuge to get something else up and running? I am aware that if this is (as it certainly was until recently) a "modern Nahuatl" project, there is some sort of conflict going on with the established [Classical] Nahuatl wiki, with some saying there is already a Nahuatl wiki and we don't need another one; and that seems to be linked to the move to change the name of this test which suddenly has "become" Pipil. Maybe somebody thought Pipil was an slot standing empty and it was not likely that anyone would want to use that slot "properly" (not so!)... I know that sounds pretty crazy and I'm speculating, but what else am I to think? Anyway, thanks again. --A R King 11:36, 13 August 2010 (UTC) PS Sorry, that was not a "minor" edit! --A R King 11:38, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've checked the pages on the list you gave. Not a single page is in Pipil (so that makes things easy?). They are all in some sort of [Mexican] Nahuatl (just to remind you, Pipil/Nawat is a language spoken in El Salvador, not Mexico). That is the short answer and the one that counts. But just to give you a fuller picture... The TITLES of a few of those pages seem to have been re-spelt in what I take to be an attempt to change them to Pipil by someone who doesn't actually know Nawat. The result is mostly a sort of Pig-Pipil (as in Pig-Latin), not actual Nawat. Imagine someone who can't speak Spanish adding an "o" to words in English and claiming it was in Spanish - that sort of thing (I means, "that sorto of thingo"). In the present case they have changed some of the "tl"'s to "t"'s. But couldn't even do that consistently, so the Nahuatl word for "fire", tletl, they changed to tlet, not noticing there are TWO tl's. In any case even if they had made it tet, it would still have been wrong: anybody who knows any Pipil at all will know that the Pipil word for "fire" is tit, not tet (actually, tet means "stone"!). They also changed some "o"'s to "u"'s - with similar results. Sorry to bring in those details, but I didn't want my answer to be incomplete. Pipil is a language, it is not Nahuatl with changed spelling. Remember that these changes have only been done on a few article titles (not all), and not on any of the articles' full contents. There is not a single article in Pipil. --A R King 13:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
It indeed makes things a bit easier that non a single page in wp/ppl was in Pipil language. I moved all these pages to Lost:Non-Pipil so that those who created in can re-use it if it isn't just a hoax. I don't know why these were created, but as long as such things won't be done by them anymore, let's assume good faith. - So, you can now start filling a clean wp/ppl test following the instructions on wp/ppl about creating the main page if you want. --MF-W {a, b} 18:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks, I think that will prove very helpful! --A R King 22:25, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Can't create an account[edit]

Can somebody help me to create an account please? I have tried for several days and always get error messages. Alan (A R King) [10] 07:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Please send me your e-mail address via en:special:emailuser/MF-Warburg, I will then create the account "by email" which means a random password is generated and sent to your email address. As I'm a sysop here, problems with the username can possibly be ignored. --MF-W {a, b} 13:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Registration problem seems to be universal with incubator. A few potential contributors to Brahui test wiki have also complained the same. Two of them succeeded only when they first registered with and than used the same account in incubator. A great number of users of incubator are novices and may get frustrated after getting those error messages. I request the administrators to solve the issue if it is related to backhand of the software.--Imdadb 17:40, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look on what's wrong. There is apparently some collision with title blacklist, however, the user namespace is allowed there. Thanks for letting us know.
Danny B. 19:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've sent my email address as requested above. Thanks, Alan (A R King) [11] 21:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

So thanks to cooperation with Matěj Grabovský, Roan Kattow (catrope) and Nikerabit the error was fixed so there should be no more problems with registration now.
Danny B. 09:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

A template for Palochka[edit]

Several languages here in the incubator need to use the letter palochka: "Ӏ". It is similar in appearance to an uppercase Latin "I", but it is a distinct character. The languages in the incubator that currently need it are ady, kbd, inh and lez (and maybe i missed something). There are also several other languages that need this letter and they may appear in the incubator in the future.

These languages are mostly used in Russia. The letter is not well-supported on current keyboards that are used there. It would be easier to create a template that would insert this letter. Since it is needed in many languages, is it possible to create one template for them all? I would give it a name that is as short as possible: {{I}} (that's a capital Latin I). If it's too generic, then {{pal}}. It will most likely be subst'ed.

Are there any objections or other comments? --Amir E. Aharoni 15:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I see no problems in creating such a template, but as you write the template is likely to be substed, what about adding the palochka to the character box below the edit field (like the ~~~~ there which you can click to insert the four ~'s into the edit box). Then it would be even more easy to add the palochka. --MF-W {a, b} 17:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Chinese translation[edit]

I translated three (title-open, contribute, and requirements) of the messages used by Template:Test wiki into zh-hans (simplified Chinese), which is the language chosen in my preferences, but the template still shows them in English. Could anyone explain this? Thank you. Dalt 18:25, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

For me it works. Maybe it helps to clear your cache? --MF-W {a, b} 18:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
It works now. Maybe it takes some time for the server to process. Another question: is there a way to set the fallback locale of zh-cn to be zh-hans instead of en? Or should I create two identical translations (one for zh-cn, one for zh-hans) for each message? Dalt 13:17, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, fallback languages can be set; please make a request for this on translatewiki:Support. Note that English is always the last fallback, so if you use zh-cn and there is no translation in -cn nor in -hans, you'll see the English message. You don't need to create identical messages if there's no difference between the -cn and the -hans translation. --MF-W {a, b} 16:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I think the fallback language of zh-cn is already zh-hans on translatewiki. In fact, manual translation into zh-cn is disabled there and zh-hans translation is used automatically as zh-cn translation. (Example: Loginlanguagelabel/zh-hans and Loginlanguagelabel/zh-cn are identical.) My question is about messages not covered by translatewiki, like Testwiki-title-open. I created a zh-hans translation here in the incubator but the zh-cn translation MediaWiki:Testwiki-title-open/zh-cn is still blank. Dalt 11:40, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

User language template[edit]

I have created the user language/ppl template, following the instructions I found. I believe the template is created but my ppl translation does not appear on the instance of the template I have placed on my user page, i.e. it still displays as if there were no such template. Am I missing something? --A R King 07:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Please provide me pipil translations for following sentences and I'll create the template for you.

  • This user cannot read or write in pipil.
  • This user can read and write basic pipil.
  • This user can read and write intermediate pipil.
  • This user can read and write fluently in pipil.
  • This user can read and write at a near-native level in pipil.
  • This user can read and write at a native level in pipil.

Danny B. 13:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I already translated them on the template editing page [12], can you get the translations from there? E.g. level 0 is:
  • Naja te niweli ne Nawat ipal Kushkatan.

--A R King 20:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Danny, I think maybe my answer was not adequate because the issue has not been taken care of. Sorry, I was only trying to avoid redundancy. Here are the translation; I'd appreciate it if you could help:
  • This user cannot read or write in pipil. (0) = Naja te niweli ne Nawat ipal Kushkatan.
  • This user can read and write basic pipil. (1) = Naja niweli semaya sujsul chiupichin Nawat.
  • This user can read and write intermediate pipil. (2) = Naja kia niweli se chiupi Nawat.
  • This user can read and write fluently in pipil. (3) = Naja niweli Nawat melka te nikmati muchi.
  • This user can read and write at a near-native level in pipil. (4) = Naja niweli Nawat sujsul yek.
  • This user can read and write at a native level in pipil. (N) = Naja se Nawataketza wan niweli Nawat yek.

Cheers, --A R King 23:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I have imported the template from Meta, see Template:User language/ppl. --MF-W {a, b} 16:13, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Balochi Wikipedia[edit]

Like every other novice to Wikipedia, I wrote about the dilemma of Balochi Wikipedia, on every other page I found. I made these notes on different places:

  1. The current Souther Balochi (Wp/bcc) test wiki is in Arabic script. It will be better if test wiki with Latin script is initiated. Speakers of the language living in diaspora and bulk of the speakers of the Eastern dialect would prefer Latin.
  2. The Dilemma of Balochi Wikipedia: What i notice is that the language being used in bcc (Southern Balochi) test wiki is not the Southern dialect itself. All of the content is in Western (much more Persian) dialect. Baloch (the user requesting for another test wiki for Balochi) speaks the Southern dialect. We (our family) is also bilingual, second language at our home is Balochi (the Eastern dialect). I also support the effort of some people for standardizing Latin script for Balochi language. Please solve the dilemma and give opportunity to this group of a people (mostly belonging to Southern dialect and some of them with Eastern dialect) to form a joint wiki for them using Latin script. Regards,
  3. After getting no response (either in favor or against) from the administrators of Wikipedia, i tried to request for the Eastern Balochi (bgp) test project. But that lead me back to this page. I wonder whether one shall produce content with Wp/bal/ prefix or wait until administrators reach to any conclusion? Or, we add pages to Wp/bgp/ prefix? And, what will be the fate of those content pages once any particular request is declined?

I have already mobilized many people to contribute for Balochi Wikipedia. I, now, simply request the administrators to guide me in the right direction, and suggest me the prefix which we shall utilize to produce Balochi language pages in Latin script.

  • Wp/bcc
  • Wp/bal
  • Wp/bgp
which one?

It is also important to mention that the content which we intend to produce will not purely belong to any particular dialect. Although, the foundation dialect will be Southern Balochi (Balochi spoken in Makkuran region of Balochistan), vocabulary from other dialects may also be used. --Imdadb 23:41, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Please, delete "Karaim" and "Krymchak" wikipedias[edit]


This and this are not Karaim and Krymchak languages respectively, but a strange conlangs, with 80% of grammar and lexics been borrowed from Turkish. Don Alessandro 19:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

See [13]. We don't delete such tests. If native speakers come they'll fix it. Before a new wiki is created the contents will be checked whether it's the correct language, so there's no urgent need for deletion. --OWTB 20:08, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Read again: "You can propose a deletion of a test language. You may only propose a deletion of a test language which does not have a proposal on Meta or is rejected by the langcom.". There is no condition that tests that contain invalid content can not be proposed for deletion. If it's proven that a test does not contain the language it should, there is no use to keep it, which might even confuse real speakers of the language, see the above section on the wp/ppl test.
So, Don Alessandro, if you are being serious about this, please make a request for deleting the tests on I:RFD, according to the policy there and there. --MF-W {a, b} 18:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. When they do not make a request at Meta, then we (at Incubator) may decide about the wiki. So, it can be proposed for deletion. SPQRobin 13:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Finding and using gadgets[edit]

Hi. I have added the Addprefix Gadget in my preferences, But I can't find it. Do you use it yourself or know how to use it? Thank you,--Companionship 04:45, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean? If you have activated the gadget in your preferences, the gadget will change links to unprefixied pages which you add on prefixed pages to links to prefixed pages, e.g. when you're editing the page Wp/pes/Example and add a link like [[Test]], the gadget will tranform the link into [[Wp/pes/Test|Test]], thus "adding a prefix". --MF-W {a, b} 16:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


I see this Wiki has been lost, so I propose to give a code for its and to rename all pages of this Non-Pipil or to do something else with its. Here you can see more articles of this Non-pipil. Andrijko Z. 17:04, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

We don't "give codes". As long as the language has not been identified, it should stay in the lost namespace, or it should be deleted. Regards, SPQRobin 19:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The language identified: it's the Nauatlajtoli (one of the Aztekan languages). That articles now are nhnAndrijko Z. 18:09, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

<Help us clean the Incubator>[edit]

I'd like to ask or to propose (do not know how to say it better=)), but I have some questions and propositions:

  1. Why after creation wp/frr and wn/ko 19 August 2010 they didn't delete from the Incubator? Admins, please, delete, Incubator is not a rubbish bin!=)
  2. After the creation of wn/cs 26 May 2008 here (in the end) & here (in the beginning) are some articles of it. Did they import? If not - import them and delete, please!
  3. Please, clean this category --Andrijko Z. 14:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Calm down!
  1. As you wrote down yourself, these subdomains have only been created very recently, and we always keep the tests here for some time after the creation if it turns out that there have been problems with the import. These tests are already protected against editing, and will soon be deleted by bot.
  2. I don't know if these pages were imported, but I'll have a look at them, and they will surely be deleted. Thank you for the hint!
  3. Well, we're on it, but most of these speedy deletion requests were made by you, assuming a kind of authority over the content ("nonsense, empty"), which might indeed be justified requests, however it of course takes some time to check this large number of pages. --MF-W {a, b} 15:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for speedy reaction=)--Andrijko Z. 16:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
    • I've now deleted the obvious cases, but for some I'm not the guy to make judgement, so they have to wait. Some categories which were nominated for deletion still have contents, so I'm not going to delete them aswell. --OWTB 16:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Strange pages[edit]

I found some pages without their main page (I mean, for example, wp/ru). We need to do something with them (some delete, some move to lost pages:

Ok, "tup" is a macrolanguage, so we should define which language those pages are. kok is Konkani, mhd is Middle High German (the page is the mainpage). --OWTB 06:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Please see: [14] - I'll see whether I can move them. --OWTB 10:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Navbox and Infobox classes in Common.css[edit]

I tried to make navbox templates (blue navboxes as in english wikipedia) using some css classes, but that did not produce the expected results. After reading much on the help pages i assume that it is because these classes are not defined in the Common.css or Monobook.css for Incubator. There might have been discussions regarding this in the past, and there must be just reasons for not including them there. I just wanted to know whether i can make such css pages somewhere else and define the required class, so that they show the results on Bráhuí Wikipedia (Wp/brh)? As instructed in [15], I already made a css page as a subpage for my userpage User:Imdadb/monobook.css, but i assume if it worked (although not having any effect currently), it will change the look only for me, and not for all the users of this particular test wiki.

If it had worked, it would have save much of my time which I spend on arranging and decorating the information (which I give first priority), and I could have focused more on content.

Anyone cares to help? --Imdadb 19:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Dolgan Wikipedia[edit]

I want to create dolgan wikipedia on Incubator. But I see message:Permission error

The title "Wp/dlg" has been banned from creation.

It matches the following blacklist entry: (?:(?:Talk|(?:Category|Template)(?: talk)?):)?W(?:p\/(?:bp|bzc|cc|dl|dv-mahl|dzu|fed|grk|gsc|hnl|plm|pt-riv|roa-abr)|t\/x-Kadazandusun).* <noedit> # This project has been deleted because of not having valid I:ISO 639 language code. You can ask on I:AN for exported and archived XML dump of it though.

Probably it is a test wiki which has been deleted (deletion log).

This language has code ISO 639-3: dlg Ref: Why?--Kaiyr 18:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Problem should be solved now; there was a mistaken entry in the mediawiki:titleblacklist. --MF-W {a, b} 19:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


Wn/cs has benn created 28 May 2008! Why these articles are still didn't import and deleted? What about Wp/frr and Wn/ko?-Andrijko Z. 17:22, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

They have been imported to their wikis, but you are right that they still have to be deleted (however, this is low priority). SPQRobin 16:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Not all Wn/cs stuff has been imported from random reasons and still waits. Anytime we solve something, I import and delete here. Just simply don't worry about it, I take care.
Danny B. 22:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Union histories[edit]

Hello I do not know where to go, so I am here. The consolidation of histories edits - the old version (Wp/kbd/НапэкIуэцI нэхъыщхьэ) with the new (User:Master Shadow/Проект заглавной страницы). Master Shadow 09:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, united done. Master Shadow 06:56, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

My language is not in the list on Special:Preferences?[edit]

Though Angika (anp) language is completely translated it is not included on Special:Preferences. Could someone help?? Angpradesh 02:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

It probably still has to be committed. You could ask an administrator like Siebrand or Nike on what to do. --OWTB 07:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Pages for deletion[edit]

Please delete these 2 pages that I created in a wrong directory...

  1. [16]
  2. [17] Glavkos 13:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Done. You can also put the template {{delete}} on pages that should be deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 14:57, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I 'll use the template next time Glavkos 12:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Moving a project back to the Incubator[edit]

Is it possible to relocate an existing project back to the Incubator? The candidate would be the Hungarian Wikinews: it has little activity, therefore unable function as a news portal. Also, the community of Hungarian Wikipedia is considering to nominate it for closure, since they think of it as a disgrace for all the other Hungarian projects in its current state (ie. as a dead page). In early 2009 the WP community decided to remove its News section from their Main Page due to apparent inactivity. I have to add that the HUWN never had a proper start, important guidelines and policies are missing for three years now. On the other hand it would be a waste to completely close it. - Xbspiro 01:40, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

The usual process is to propose a wiki for closure through meta:Proposals for closing projects. When a wiki is closed, its contents are (in theory) always moved to the incubator (see I:Importing). At the moment, we have actually a backlog from a lot of closed wikis that should be moved to here (meta:Proposals for closing projects/Archive). SPQRobin 16:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your response! I wonder, does the backlog derive from lack of manpower to import, or is there a deliberation behind not to do it so? - Xbspiro 17:43, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I'd say it's a difficult task. Because you need to add prefixes and stuff like that, but as I'm personally not involved with the import process I don't know for sure :) --OWTB 17:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, there is no deliberate choice not to import them. But on the one hand, it's just that most people don't care. Most closed wikis have no community so nobody asks to import it. It's some time ago since we last imported closed wikis. On the other hand, when the closing wiki is part of a larger community, it is usually specifically requested to import it, so it can be imported of course (which happened with the Dutch Wikinews, that has been imported even if it is more recent than many non-imported wikis). SPQRobin 19:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I did some clean-up and most wikis don't have usable content to transfer to here. I wanted to import one of the few wikis that do have content, but it is quite difficult to add the prefixes, but others (with more experience in terms of e.g. regular expressions and bots) can import them. SPQRobin 21:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again. In the light of that, I will propose it for closure. - Xbspiro 04:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Comment function on Wn/el/Articles[edit]

I try to use this function here and I get a no proper permission message. What can I do to fix that?

Something is wrong with that template , but I can not trace the problem Glavkos 15:26, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

That is because the Comment namespace is not enabled here. You should use "Wn/el/Comments:Page title" instead of "Comments:Wn/el/Page title". Only the Template and Category namespace should be before the prefix. SPQRobin 15:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks dude. It works now!!! I am almost ignorant of programming languages, so thanks again for your patients!!! Should I change the prefix again when the project will move to #el.wikinews ? Glavkos
All prefixes will be removed automatically when it is moved to el.wikinews. SPQRobin 15:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks...and no worries, indeed.Glavkos 21:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Button for moving articles[edit]

I started Wn/el/2 νεκροί στο Κοπιακό μετά από ατύχημα στη Χιλή, but then I find that I done a mistake. I trying to move the page to Wn/el/2 νεκροί στο Κοπιαπό μετά από ατύχημα στη Χιλή but I can't. After I asked someone to do that, and when I asked where is that button he said that maybe the admins didn't gave to me. I didn't know where is the button. Can you fix that, please? Nataly8 15:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

You should have the button, normally. It should be the arrow next to the search box (in the top-right of the page). SPQRobin 16:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


Is it possible to use links (interwikis) now to equivalent articles for other Wikinews projects? And which will be the prefix for that ? Glavkos 11:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

It is "n:" for Wikinews (and for example "n:fr:" to the French version). If you want to put it in the language box beneath the sidebar, use "en:n:". SPQRobin 16:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Great, thank you...I will try both. Glavkos 10:31, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Date Template[edit]

How can I translate the names of the months in Greek on the Date template? Is it a message translation on Translatewiki? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glavkos (discussioncontribs) 26. November 2010, 18:55 Uhr.

No, they are already translated; this depends on the wiki's standard language (on Incubator: English). As far as I can see from mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions#.23time, there's no simple way to change this. --MF-W {a, b} 00:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Do you mean that when the Wn/el moves to Wikinews it will work properly with the Greek names? In that case I just should not create other date categories and delete the current ones. Glavkos 10:56, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, they will, just copy the template's code to Greek Wikipedia sandbox and you'll see. --MF-W {a, b} 17:30, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Would you please tell me if I have to delete the old date categories with the Greek month names, since similar will be created on the el-wininews wiki.Glavkos 19:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
No, this is not necessary, as all pages (including categories) from the test here will be moved to the el.wikinews subdomain once it is created. --MF-W {a, b} 21:27, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Bot function[edit]

How can I get some help from a bot. I need to change a template tag with another in all articles where I used the first template.--Glavkos Talk 21:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You can use the m:pywikipediabot software if you want to run a bot on your own, but you can also ask the owners of a current bot here (for example me) to perform this replacement for you. Which are the templates concerned? --MF-W {a, b} 15:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. I have to take a look at it. In the meanwhile it would be very helpful of you if you could replace the Template:Wn/el/Tl tag with Template:Wn/el/Tl template in all the articles where the first tag is used..Thanks a lot once again. --Glavkos Talk 18:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


I created this template coping code from the relevant template:Archived (en-Wikinews). However , when I put it in an article it doesn't creates a protected page as the text in the template suggests. I try to finger out what's wrong or if I am doing something wrong...Any help is welcomed.--Glavkos Talk 17:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It is not done automatically. One has to protect each article which has that template manually; the template merely claims the page to be protected because on en.wikinews, articles with that template normally are protected. --MF-W {a, b} 21:18, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, since I have the right to delete pages as test admin , may I ask if I could get also rights to protect the pages with above mentioned Template. If not, what other options do I have?--Glavkos Talk 20:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Social Networking[edit]

Can we create accounts for our test project to promote el-Wikinews on Twitter or Facebook (similar with other Wikinews projects) or we should wait until we have an official wiki ? --Glavkos Talk 18:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

You can do whatever you want on Facebook/Twitter/IRC; they're not under Wikimedia's supervision or control. If you think it would be a useful way to organise support/contribution to your test project, go for it. Dbmag9 15:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
I may need to use one or two Wikinews-logos ...Please confirm that I have the permission.--Glavkos Talk 17:58, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Importing MediaWiki pages[edit]

Please import a few pages from the English Wikipedia. They are often used as convenient links for monitoring crosswiki vandalism, maintenance, and the like. These include MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer, MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon, MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js, Template:Editprotected, and Project:Protected page. Thanks in advance, TeleComNasSprVen 19:23, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Question on Wiktionary Importing[edit]


I am wondering if there is a way (both technical- and policy-wise) to import pages from Wiktionary? There is already a decent sized category or two on EnWt for the ScoWt here, and it would be easiest (I think) to import them and modify the pages locally afterward. Incubator:Import requests doesn't seem like an active place to ask this, since the last edit was in 2008. :) -Avicennasis talk? (SWMT) 01:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

That page is not active, because people who wanted imports mostly requested them directly on importers' talk pages, but you can still make import requests there. It is absolutely policy-wise to import pages that should/could be part of a test wiki here. --MF-W {a, b} 15:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I have added a request. :) -Avicennasis talk? (SWMT) 01:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)