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[edit] Images

I propose we move all images to Commons if they have a license, and delete them if they are unused and have no license (if they are used, we could ask the uploader for a license, and if he doesn't respond, we'll delete it). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 11:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be possible to use something like commons:Template:Image source, I think. CommonsHelper could be used for moving to commons (language: incubator; porject: wikimedia). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 11:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Delete all unlicensed images after one week of notification. --Steinninn 00:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I now imported Template:Image source (and template:cc-by-sa-3.0, as thtat template suggests to use cc-by-sa-3.0) and modified it for use on Incubator. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 13:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How can we upload images for our Wiki test? --Filipinayzd 14:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

go to commons:, create an account and upload. They are avaiable then on all Wikimedia projects, also on Incubator, and later, on your subdomain. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:37, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Test Statistics

Hello, I'm currently working on test statistics at the Incubator Plus. Maybe we can also do that here? -Markvondeegel 16:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It asks too much work I think, but if you want to maintain it, no problem! SPQRobin 11:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It isn't much work at all! If each test has it's own template:project/code/NUMBEROFARTICLES or template:project/code/NUMBEROFPAGES and a template:project/code/NUMBEROFUSERS the only think you need to do is put it on the list. -Markvondeegel 11:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waiting for Final Approval

Bikol Wikipedia was created on July 2007 and has already 214 articles. --Filipinayzd 16:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Tell the langcom. And is your translation of the interface ready? --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Interface is 88.07% translated. Looking to m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Bikol, I think this wiki will come very soon! SPQRobin 10:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why not split?

Why not split this page in language sections? Like:

And so on. SF-Language 09:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

See talk page for discussion. SPQRobin 11:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sitenotice?

Is the sitenotice disappeared or something? I tried everything (MediaWiki:Sitenotice id, logging out, ...) but nothing helps... What's the problem? SPQRobin 18:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems al wikis with disabled cache of pages like special:Wantedpages have no Sidnotice anymore. Same story at Limburgish Wiktionair. --Ooswesthoesbes 20:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The site notices are automatically replaced by the new CentralNotice. It was only visible on the English Wikipedia at first for development and debugging, but it still disabled the site notices on other wikis. It should be visible everywhere now. Brion Vibber, the developer, hoped to make site notices work at the same time by today, though I'm not sure if he's succeeded yet. —{admin} Pathoschild 23:15:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm disabling mail, I'll cite some mail: "Veranger 'ns det Ingelse baovegedoons mit wat Limburgs". --Ooswesthoesbes 07:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

@Pathoschild: Thanks, now I know what to problem is :-)
@Ooswesthoesbes: Euh, what has your mail to do with the sitenotice? (Als je met die Limburgse zin bedoelt dat je het bericht wil vertalen, zie m:Fundraising 2007/Text for sitenotice) SPQRobin 15:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Nee, mij maakt het niks uit. Dat zijn eerder die Nationalisten, veel zeggen weinig bewerken. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I've put together an AJAX solution to the problem, if you want to display the site notice below the fundraiser box. —Pathoschild 05:11:16, 02 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good solution. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I propose we put this into our MediaWiki:Common.js. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 14:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New main page

I've made a small draft for a new main page, see Incubator:Main page/template. This is based on the system used on MediaWiki.org. Feel free to improve that page! SPQRobin 21:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Very nice, I especially like the "extended sister projects" at the bottom. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 16:28, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bot proposal

As on Incubator we sometimes need to move many pages (prefix changes, wrong iso code before) and then also text replacements, e.g. from "wikt/" to "wt/", or delete many pages when a test project was moved to an own subdomain or a quite large test should be deleted, it's faster (and easier) to do this by bot. So I propose we have a bot which has a "command list" on wiki, which can be edited (who would have thought that) to make that bot doing this (so not everybody needs to register an own bot).

Just when I was writing this, I learned there is such a bot at Commons, see that page for an example of how that bot works, an Incubator bot would be similar, but not the same since we don't have images actually :) --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 16:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Off course, why not? SPQRobin 17:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I now set up a page at User:warburgBot/commands (but the bot doesn't run now). --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 18:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What happens when a new site is created?

I saw this: hsb:Specialnje:Přinoški/Incubator_import, but who runs it? So what happens when a new Wikimedia site is created? SPQRobin 22:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll move all content by hand and since I'm test admin here I can delete it in one way. --Ooswesthoesbes 08:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

But then the history is not moved! The "Incubator import" bot also import the history. SPQRobin 11:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but history isn't so important. It's only important if a page is damaged and when you move a page, you can see if he's damaged or not. --Ooswesthoesbes 11:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

No, the page history is important for legal reasons. If you moved the pages manually, you'll need to delete them and import them. If you'd like, I can do that (I already did for fi.wikinews.org). —Pathoschild 03:26:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Then you'll also need to restore them here, they're deleted already. And if you're thinking about the authors I can also say who has created those pages in the summary. --Ooswesthoesbes 15:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About extremaduran request

Hi, community! It's the first time i write here, and well, i have two questions:

On the one hand, what have we got to do now? I mean, extremaduran contributors are asking me for the reasons extremaduran wikipedia is not yet aproved. The interface is almost translated (85%) and we have more than 300 articles. Each new article we create, is more work to do later, exporting files... so, should we continue translating articles? or it's better if we start translating other proyects? (like Commons, which main page is alredy translated)...
On the other hand, we've seen the message "Don't forget to add a prefix to categories!"... ups... i think this message have been written for extremaduran wikipedia... we didn't know it, so sorry for the inconvenience. At the moment, move all categories would be very dificult (there are too many articles to change), so, if nobody oppose, we won't create new categories, and we will delete all those categories when the wikipedia is created.

Greeting! Tiu Chelu 09:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You can work further, but I will ask to the langcom (which approves the tests) to look to this test project. About moving the pages when the site is created, that's really no work *if* you don't start to copy them when the site is created, but wait on someone (me for example) to export and import them.
You don't need to say sorry, because first there was a text on the main page saying that you don't need to add a prefix to categories, but we changed that because otherwise they will not be imported, or there can be a category for two test projects. I would say, try to move them, but if you don't want to do that, you don't have to do it.

SPQRobin 12:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

"...that's really no work *if* you don't start to copy them when the site is created, but wait on someone (me for example) to export and import them."

mmm i don't understand at all how it works, but ok, i'll do nothing until you tell me ^,^. Thanks for answering me so quick! Tiu Chelu 13:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

If a site is created, there is a text on the main page to invite you to start. But actually this is totally wrong. I'm working on this to change this. I'll request to change the text on the main pages of new created sites and I'm working on a help page which explains all steps to do, including when the site is created. SPQRobin 13:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better coordination for importing/exporting from/to Incubator

We have two important projects:

Incubator:Importing from Incubator - when a new site is created
Incubator:Coordination for importing closed projects - when an inactive site is locked/closed

The problem is: what is the fastest/easiest way to know there will be a new site created or locked?

I am working on a solution: see bugzilla:12256.

For everyone who is interested in helping, see that page! Greetings, SPQRobin 17:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Simple English

The FAQ page says that languages that do not have an ISO-code may not be tested here. What about languages like Simple English? Can't they be hosted here? --Boricuaeddie 20:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No code = no project. But here start the problems, because there already exists projects in Simple English. I'd suggest asking the langcom. SPQRobin 21:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Can't it simply be created with the code being "simple" or something (like http://simple.wikipedia.org)? --Boricuaeddie 22:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No. wp/lim has also been moved and also take a look at wp/nrd and wp/aeres. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that simple: was created before the new projects policy was approved. --MF-W {a, b} Visit IRC! 12:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This is a good question because I think that more wikis in simplified languages could be made to give more accessibility to those whose first language's wikipedia has less contribution and to help in language learning. French, German and Spanish might be good canditates: if English with its two million article can give 20,000 articles in Simple English, we might expect that languages with over 300,000 articles give about 3,000 articles each, which is more than many small wikis. The issue of simplified languages surely needs to be addressed to make possible future such projects. 24.202.61.223 07:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sepedi Test Wikipedia Project (wp/nso)

The Sepedi Wikipedia Test has over 230 articles and it's request status has been Discussion for a while. What needs to happen to get this test project LIVE? Mohau 11:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

This is the most asked question I think... The Langcom decides this. This always takes a long time, most test projects have to wait a long time. :-( You'll need to have some patience... SPQRobin 12:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] skh Shakhordoy Wikipedia

The 'skh = Shakhordoy Wikipedia' looks a bit strange. 'skh' is the ISO 639-3 code for "Sikule" http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=skh , a language from Indonesia.

The incubator articles are about kaukasian/Georgian themes.

I cannot find a correct code for "Shakhordoy" nor anything about the language itself.

A friend of mine has asked de:User:Ernst Kausen, a German expert for a lot of languages but he cannot identify the language... maybe a fake? See de:Benutzer Diskussion:Ernst Kausen#Welche Sprache? Raymond 12:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The main contributor seems to be User:Dato deutschland. He first tried wp/sak, when we said that code is not allowed, he tried wp/skh. SPQRobin 17:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-enable uploads for bureaucrats

Currently uploading is completely disabled on Incubator; you need to upload on Commons (see Incubator:Upload for more info). The problem is, we have a logo which could need to be changed, though this will be rarely. So the solution would be: re-enable uploading, but restrict this to bureaucrats. MF-Warburg already submitted a bug, but we need community consensus, though this is a small community :-) You can answer here, and/or vote below. SPQRobin 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Support

SPQRobin 20:07, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Obviously - VasilievVV 04:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Good. --Ooswesthoesbes 06:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Of course. --MF-W {a, b} 17:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Surely. Not only logo might need to be uploaded (btw: is the logo going to be changed or it was just an example?) thus I'd also supported the upload even on sysop level. We should keep in mind that different projects have different policies about rights, so what might not be suitable for Commons, may be suitable for such project, thus it should have a chance to be here.
— Danny B. 18:08, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

That was just an example with the logo. We want bureaucrats to be able to upload only because there are also the test admins which should use Commons, of course. --MF-W {a, b} 20:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you read what I wrote about the author's rights? Why test admins should use Commons only if their wikis allow licenses not allowed on Commons? Say there was some new project in en. Enwikis allow fair use. So why couldn't they be able to upload such images here? Of course following some rules (which is one of the reasons only sysops could), such as those images must meet the allowed licenses on such language wikis, they can't be used elsewhere and will be deleted after the project isn't here etc...
— Danny B. 20:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah OK, of course. You are right. --MF-W {a, b} 20:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
...

Oppose

This has been done. :-) Cbrown1023 talk 23:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I logged in as User:SPQRobot who has sysop+bot access and he seems to be able to upload files (didn't test it, I just see the "normal" upload form). Can a normal user and a test-sysop please say what they see (and, if you tested it, if you can upload files). Greetings, SPQRobin 16:22, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

If you haven't oped me in the meantime ;-) then as an ordinary user I see the regular upload form as well as the item in sidebar toolbox.
— Danny B. 16:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Apparently misconfigured, see upload log. I've reopened the bug.
— Danny B. 06:43, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed meanwhile. I logged in as User:SPQRobot again, and I saw the error "This action is limited to users in the group Bureaucrats". That's fine, but we need to add a custom message (like MediaWiki:Upload-summary)... SPQRobin 12:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Configuration change: Test administrators

All "test administrators" now have their own right of "test sysop" due to a configuration change. You can see a list of test administrators now via its own special page: Special:Listusers/test-sysop. Cbrown1023 talk 23:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Test administrators can:

delete page
undelete page
view deleted history of page
block users
block users with blocking the use of Special:Emailuser
perform rollback

— Danny B. 23:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] about the 2 wikiversity project

The 2 projects in incubator (ko and pt) stay here or can/must be translated to Beta wikiversity ? Crochet.david@betawikversity / 82.243.133.6 14:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, in my POV they can stay :-), but the policy says that they have to be transferred to betawikiversity... SPQRobin 14:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Upload page

If users click on "Upload file" they will go the Special:Upload where they can see just one sentence "This action is restricted to bureaucrats". I'd propose to set $wgUploadNavigationUrl = 'http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Upload'; so they will go to Incubator:Upload where there is more info and instructions. SPQRobin 16:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I submitted bugzilla:12831. SPQRobin 19:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I actually submitted another bug about this issue... ;-)
— Danny B. 00:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] international language support via special:Gadgets

special:Preferences w:yi:special:Gadgets w:yi:special:Preferences
m:wikt:yi:special:Gadgets m:wikt:yi:special:Preferences
m:commons:user:I18n m:wikt:yi:user:I18n w:yi:user:I18n

Dear friends; Please add copies of w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing, w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-BiDiEditing.js, w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-ShortLink and w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-ShortLink.js to this wiki. Please copy the relevant parts of w:yi:MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition to MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition.
If you intent to structure MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition into sections please pay attention that section names should not contain spaces; you may use either section names as « LanguageSupport » or « language-support ». The text which will be displayed at special:Gadgets and at special:Preferences will be the taken from MediaEiki:Gadget-section-LanguageSupport or MediaEiki:Gadget-section-language-support respectively.
In the image you will see some language tabs. Neither gadgets nor user scripts are active at special:Preferences. The language tabs can be defined with a code similar to m:s:yi:MediaWiki:Common.js. Good luck and best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 16:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain what these scripts would do? --MF-W {a, b} 15:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

gangerli told me that "they allow RTL editors to switch forth and back between LTR and RTL". Cbrown1023 talk 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Done Cbrown1023 talk 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Cbrown1023 for the help in the name of the BiDi workgroup. Best regards and greetings from Munich

‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 04:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanto keyboard support via special:Gadgets

m:wikt:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-EoMagicalConversion and m:wikt:yi:MediaWiki:Gadget-EoMagicalConversion.js support the Esperanto magical conversion to the editor. (source 1 → source 2). Such an option would be very useful in order to be able to edit Esperanto texts at this projects from any device even without Esperanto keyboard. It is working also at w:ps:special:Gadgets. Please install the EoMagicalConversion gadget at this project.
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 23:52, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but

Not done - there is the MediaWiki:Edittools system, so this is unneeded. Second, we don't have Esperanto test projects here at the moment, ~~and third, it would be sort of unfair to other languages with special characters because then also scripts for then should be added.~~ --MF-W {a, b} 15:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I feel this is a very strange argumentation. The only arguments you found where against this proposal. Regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 05:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't have to find arguments in favour of your proposal. Please respond to the arguments against :-) --MF-W {a, b} 09:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exemption doctrine policy

Hello. As you might know, the Wikimedia Foundation approved a resolution concerning non-free images more than a year ago. The resolution says that unless Wikimedia projects create an exemption doctrine policy (EDP) for non-free images, all of those images shall be deleted by March 23, 2008 (which was a few days ago). We'd now like to gather information from the projects about their exemption policies in one place so we can check their validity, and if images on those projects are in accordance with the Foundation's resolution. Your project is one of these we don't have information about, so it'd be great if you could add it to the page listing all EDPs, meta:Non-free_content. If you have any questions about the page or don't have an EDP yet and want one, you can use the appropriate talkpage on Meta or just contact me directly on Meta or by e-mail (however, please note that I'm just a volunteer and therefore not in a position to give any official advice). Thanks for your cooperation!

My personal opinion now: I would strongly advise against implementing an EDP on Incubator. In my opinion, using unfree images is against the mission of Wikimedia and encouraging new wikis to use them would only cause problems later for them: they would have to create an EDP on their own and solve image copyright issues, while now they can just easily use images from Wikimedia Commons only and not worry about these things. If you decide to not create any EDP here, it might be useful to move images from incubator to commons; I can help with that if needed. — Timi chal 19:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree we should not allow unfree content. --MF-W {a, b} 10:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unuseful test projects

I'd like to know: what should be done about test projects on incubator which have few chance to develop? For example the Gronings wp/gos and Drents wp/drt test projects. Both are subdivisions of Nedersaksisch nds-nl:, which has a project since two years and is of course accepting Gronings and Drents contributions. Should the test projects be deleted? --Slomox 19:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invented language codes

I suggest to strictly not use plain invented language codes. The chance to create possible conflicts in the future apeears too high to me.

An example of a code which imho should not be used as it currently is, is rde being used for a Ruhrdeutsch Wikipedia proposal at the moment.

Instead of inventing code rde, we should be using either

qrd — an ISO 639-2 code for private use, or a similar one, or
gem-NW-Ruhrgebiet — ISO 639-2 other Germanic, ISO 3166-DE area Northrhine-Westphalia, and invented (slightly incorrect and imprecise) subdivision Ruhrgebiet, or
deu-NW-ruhr — ISO 639-2 Standard German, ISO 3166-DE area Northrhine-Westphalia, and invented subdivision having a shorter name.

--Purodha 19:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Portuguese Wikiversity

The pages in Category:Portuguese Wikiversity here are copy+paste from Wikiversity in pt.Wikibooks. The correct is to import the pages from Wikibooks to beta.Wikiversity. It is possible ? Rjclaudio 13:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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