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Ethics on Wikimedia

Hello, I was hugely offended by something another wikimedia contributor wrote on my talk page, in response to me not carrying out his request with more expedience. He/She used extremely harsh language in their post, berating me for not looking at their article. Are there no disciplinary measures governing this site to ensure that such liberties are not taken of contributors?

I am so offended. I am a student, who spends whatever little free time I have translating articles into Jamaican Creole. I am not paid, so how dare he tell me, "f**k you!"

Pietras1988 must be taught how to politely communicate with people. He/she has no manners whatsoever. If it wasn't for the love I have for my language, I would discontinue my participation in this project. Im brait ahn fiesti laik! --sandevaj 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I blocked his IP address for three days; unfortunately he always comes up again with a new IP (his account has already been blocked (here, on meta and plwiki) infinitely. I hope that you won't be offended anymore now. Warning for Pietras1988: Stop it, now! --MF-W {a, b} 17:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. --sandevaj 22:31, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
This person is very well known to me ; see here and there. --Budelberger 14:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).
I wrote "sorry" to Sandevaj because this wasn't me - I have changed IP but I edit usually only in my home (if I'm editing in other place - I do it in university). I wrote to him only one thread, other wrote other stupid human... Pietras1988 18:20, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Translation priorities proposal

I propose a change in translation priorities on I:TP; roughly based on this and this.

  • es, fr, pt stay priority 1. zh, ar, hi also become priority 1. These (+en) are more or less the languages having most [native] speakers.
  • ru, id/ms, sw become priority 2. Maybe also bengali, punjabi, japanese, german and italian; but for the first two you won't find many translators, and for the last three you won't find many test projects from a region where one of these is important (except stupid german dialect wikis)
  • priority 3 would be: tr, nl, af, jv; also those proposed for pr.2 which don't become it
  • priority 4+5 are unchanged (except languages proposed for higher priorities)

Please comment!

--MF-W {a, b} 16:59, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

For me it is acceptable.but as you have mentioned finding translator in some languages is not easy.hope for more contributors --Mardetanha 01:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't really agree. The current list is originally based on how many smaller languages it represents (Spanish and Portuguese in South America is a good example), which (imho) makes more sense than how many speakers the language itself has. I think we should add a language when necessary. So when we receive a lot test projects in smaller languages who know language X, we should then add language X to a high priority. SPQRobin 12:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, Chinese and Hindhi cover many languages in East Asia, Arabic does in North Africa/Middle East and Indonesian/Malay in South east asia. --MF-W {a, b} 18:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
@All: Well, you should also look at whether the projects in those languages are doing well. The sw-wiki is doing quite bad. User Kipala seems to be the only real active contributor. The reality that it will be kept up-to-date is rather low.
@MF-Warburg: German is the number two language of Limburg and is used all over the globe as a lingua franca. And never call a language (or "dialect") stupid, that's insulting for the non-standard language and its speakers. Non-standard languages already have to go to a hell to survive, you should show respect to them, instead of calling them - or their projects - stupid. --Ooswesthoesbes 07:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
"stupid" was supposed to mean the (test) wikis in German dialects (which are indeed dialects), which are mostly pointless (I can give you lots of reasons why such wikipedias etc. are not needed); not the dialects itself. --MF-W {a, b} 17:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I can give those reasons too :) So we agree on that point. --Ooswesthoesbes 10:49, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Priority five

I don't agree with priority five: these should not be translated. If someone says that he's capable of keeping it up-to-date, I think he must also be given the oppertunity to translate it into his language. What I see here is pure (language) discrimination. I can't bring up one reason why Limburgish which has 1.6 million native speakers should have priority 5 and Estonian (1.1 million) priority 4. Yes, many Limburgish people do also understand English, but field terms and wiki jargon in English are like dog barks for many people and that can complicate the situation.

And of course a translation into Limburgish: Ich höb 't stek aan ge viefdje huuegdje: dees zówwe neet euvergezatj waere. Èf gem zaetj det t'r meugendj is óm 't daagsgewies tö haaje, dink ich det dem ouch de waeg gebaoje mót waere óm 't gjuuchdje ziener spraok te verzètte. Waat 'ch hiej zeen is vólle (spraoks-/)vólkehókking. Ich kin gènne reeje miens naederbringe wo-róm Lèmbörchsj (mit 1,6 miljón modertaalspraekers) huuegdje vief mót höbbe, wiele Ès (1,1 miljón) huuegdje veer. Jao, väöler aan platstreikse luuj doon ömmerouch Ingelsj verstaon, mer vèldjgebroeker èn wikizjargón in Ingelsj is wie huunjsgebletsj èn berker veur väöl luuj èn det kin 't gezwenjel verlestige.

Zoea, det-s-d'rs oet. Dös loester noe meh-ns good gjuuech waat ich öch tö zègke-r höb, went anges kömp v'r ènge-r wiejer óp dees wiki, wórre. --Ooswesthoesbes 19:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The priority system is open for improvement. It's not because I once made that list, that it has to stay like that. And anyway, who will complain if you translate into Limburgs, as long as it stays updated frequently? And to explain my initial reason, all Limburgish speakers can read and write in Dutch, so Dutch has a higher priority. Estonian people speak mainly Estonian, so Estonian is more important to Estonia than Limburgs to Limburg. I don't want to minimize Limburgs (I'm in favour of any language and dialect), it's just the rule of "standard language". Absolute numbers is less important than relative importance. Alle, 'k oop da g'et ewa verstaa, SPQRobin 20:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
There you make a mistake. Not all Limburgish speakers can speak Dutch. There are even more than can speak German or French as a second language than Dutch. Especially in remote areas most people hate Dutch and can't speak it. Of course there's a difference between speaking and reading/writing (I can't pronounce 'sch', 'ui' or combinations like '-kt'/'-md', but I can write and read it) Still many words have a (totally) different meaning or don't exist in the other language, like (just to give an impression) klaarkomen (you know what this means) vs klaorkómme (to eat your meal/to get ready for doing something) or ophokplicht (you have to do your lifestock inside because the government says so) vs óphókplich (you have to discriminate (people) because the government says so) or words that are totally different, like gordijn (that thing before your window) vs lóchdook (lit. luchtdoek) or helemaal niet(s) vs ènge/ègke etc. It's funny that your refer to a language is a dialect with an army and navy. :)
Dao zaes se get verkieërdj. Neet al kallers van 't plat kinne Hóllesj kalle. 't Guuef d'rs zèlfs mieë die Franzeusj óf Pruus es naevespraok höbbe. Hoeages in aafgelaenge landjbèjjer guuef 't luuj die Hóllesj gónne en 't neet kinne kalle. Jaodrig is t'r e versjil tösje kalle-n èn laeze/sjrieve (ich kal mich neet de 'sch', 'ui' óf biejeineginger wie '-kt'/'-md' oet, mer ich kin 't waal laeze-n èn sjrieve) Stèllig blief 't wäörj die 'ne (ganse) angere sjeidj höbbe óf in dien anger spraok niet bestaon, wäörj wie (gwuuen óm 'nen indrök tö gaeve) klaarkomen (aafkómme) taenge klaorkómme (oetaete/aafkriege) óf ophokplicht (installingsplich) taenge óphókplich (plich óm óp tö hókke) óf wäörj die ganslik anges zeen, wäörj wie gordijn èn lóchdook óf helemaal niet(s) èn ènge/ègke ènmieë. 't Sjuuch aan det se dich sjaers aan 'ne spraok is e dialek mit e-n hèèr èn 'ne merien. :)
Ich verstaon klaorlik waat se dich bekals :) --Ooswesthoesbes 07:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't think this is the right place to start a linguistic comparison of Limburgish with Dutch. Anyway, even if there are more people who speak German or French, those languages are still a higher priority because they have a larger reach and is more taught in schools. That's our main purpose with "priorities". And it's not true that I refer to "a language is a dialect with an army and navy". I meant that there are more Limburgian people who speak a second language (Dutch, German, French, ...) than there are Estonian people who speak a second language. *That* is the reason of priorities, and not because Estonian has its own country (or "army and navy"). And if you still don't understand it, please edit the list instead of complaining. SPQRobin 16:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm a comparer and complainer :) Danke sjoean veur g'm oetlag. --Ooswesthoesbes 17:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Internal link

We can find at the bottom of an edition page « Templates and links: [[]] [[|]] #REDIRECT[[]] » ; why not « {{l|}}, {{l||}} and #REDIRECT{{l|}} » ?

Budelberger 18:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).

Good idea. I have added {{l|}} and {{l||}}. --MF-W {a, b} 16:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Voilà, c'est parfait ; si l'Incubator ne M'avait pas, il faudrait M'inventer. Merci. --Budelberger 16:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg). (On pourrait même ajouter « nowiki », « noinclude », « includeonly », etc.)
Note that the last one (#REDIRECT{{l|}}) does not work. SPQRobin 17:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Qué ? Ah ! oui, c'est vrai !… --Budelberger 18:02, 6 February 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).


As it is likely they will disappear in the flood of edits in "recent changes", I leave this and this here in case somebody can help. Thank you. -- 23:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Budelberger for this and the other changes in the related templates. Regards. -- 00:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Some questions

Is there in Incubator a list of the projects that have been been released to their standard Wikimedia sites? As well, when a project gets out of here, are there any records left about their stay in the Incubator? Are they kept here anywhere, are they kept in the history of the pages of the transfered project or something else? Thank you in advance. Regards -- 09:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

You can find some (but not all since not all have the template) approved+created wikis in Category:Incubator:Test wikis/approved. The pages are imported with full histories to the new wikis (see I:Exporting) so you can find them there. --MF-W {a, b} 16:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Directement . --Budelberger 17:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg). (Et pourquoi est-ce si long ? e. g. Wp/pnt.)
MF-Warburg, Budelberger, thank you very much for the info and links. The fact that some projects do not have the template means that the info is lost? or just (as I think it is more likely) that when the template is added to de project, this is automatically listed in one of the links you provided? What is that template? Thanks once again. -- 02:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
No, the info is not lost, when you add the template, the page will show up in that category I meantioned and you can also edit the site creation log directly (it only has information since 2007). The template is {{test wiki}}; you may use:

{{test wiki
| status = approved
| language = Language name
| created = Date

--MF-W {a, b} 17:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Une Wikipedia avec un test ?

Oui, ça existe : Wp/chu et cu ! Je me perds en conjectures.

Budelberger 02:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC) (Flag of France.svg).

Test deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 11:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Navbox question

is there a structure for creating navbox's here, or does each project have to start it from scratch --Cradel 13:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

There is none. --MF-W {a, b} 15:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Local uploads

All uploads should be done at Commons, but Abigor proposed a user group who can upload here (needed for e.g. fair use). I think we should improve Incubator:Upload (as a kind of "upload portal") with both the existing explanation of Commons, and a link to a page where users can request to upload fair use images, and bureaucrats (who have the ability to upload) can upload those files. SPQRobin 21:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah thats is my idea. I believe this is important because new projects are born here and maybe the will accept fair use on there own wiki when that is created. I really hate fair use and I see it as a kind of copyvio but I don't think we are in the position to say no you cant upload fair use here because all uploads has to be done on Commons. So I think it would be a good idea if people could ask a crat to upload there fair use material and keep the uploading of normal images on Commons. Abigor talk 21:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, how often do you expect this to happen? I don't think we need a request page for that. --MF-W {a, b} 14:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

2 times by email and 1 on my Commons talkpage this month. Abigor talk 20:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I have created a draft page at Incubator:Upload portal. If it's ok, I will include it on Incubator:Upload. The request page still needs to be created. SPQRobin 22:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

but do we activate a usergroup that can upload? All images can be moved to the wiki when it is created or deleted when it is not used. Abigor talk 14:13, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikimania 2009

Wikimania 2009, this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia projects around the globe, is accepting submissions for presentations, workshops, panels, posters, open space discussions, and artistic works related to the Wikimedia projects or free content topics in general. The conference will be held from August 26-28 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. For more information, check the official Call for Participation. Cbrown1023 talk 18:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Adding images to the incubator

I want to post these images, can you please tell me how?
I have aready posted this one without problems: ->
Teutonius 19:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You can only use images if they are uploaded on Commons, so you will have to upload the first two on Commons. SPQRobin 19:53, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Wiikiipajda njaû

Ds wiikiipajdan njaû (wp/nio) aprowaa? Nägêm bara ñyte sî? Naa

When I made my talk page I saw every thing is English, so:

When will the wp/nio be created? Or do we have to wait? --Naa 13:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)Naa

Yes, this site is multilingual, so we use English as main language. You will have to wait quite some time and attract more users to contribute. But can you please confirm that Wp/nio is the same as ethnologue:nio and w:Nganasan language? SPQRobin 13:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

problem in {{#time}}

Hello, We use {{#time}} to determine date automaticly in Main Page. But automaticly determined dates use English interface so they write month names in English. Can we change the interface language for that function ({{#time}}). Please help. Srhat 07:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No, but maybe it will be in your language if you change your language in Special:Preferences (but that is individual). SPQRobin 10:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Thnks for answer but it didn't work. I have found a solution for that. I will right the month name manually and write the day and year automaticly by using Magic Words. Srhat 15:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I have also moved the main page (Wn/tr -> Wn/tr/Ana Sayfa) like all other main pages. SPQRobin 18:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks78.162.69.68 16:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


Could we delete Wp/drt? The project request was rejected by the language committee and the test project has zero pages. --::Slomox:: >< 03:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

done. --MF-W {a, b} 10:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. And what about wp/gos? There's no request on Meta, it's abandoned since a year and it only has six pages, of which three were copied from the existing Dutch Low Saxon Wikipedia (which already covers Gronings), two are short stubs by "my village in 150 languages" people and one article (too a "my village in 150 languages" article) had actual content, which I now copied to the nds-nl wiki. Since gos is covered by nds-nl a request on Meta will not be approved under the current policy for new projects. And as the Groningers active on nds-nl show no sign of unhappiness, there's no point in keeping the test. --::Slomox:: >< 03:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 13:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Use of Digamma (ϝ)

I am deeply concerned about the extent of digamma's use in the articles of the ancient greek test. As most of us may know, digamma wasn't used in the period of the classic antiquity. Digamma was already lost since 403 b.C. As lots of philologists suggested me, digamma must not be used in modern texts in the ancient greek language. Anyway, I shall keep writting the letter in words already mentioned by others with digamma, eg. Νωρϝηγία, Λιθϝανία etc, until we take a formal decision. Aldameldo

This page is for general Incubator discussion. Please discuss this at Wp/grc/Ϝικιπαιδεία:Ἀγορά. Thanks, SPQRobin 13:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion policy

I have updated the I:Policy#Closure or deletion policy. It's much easier now (I think) and it reflects common practise. I think there are not real differences, therefore I didn't propose it first here (and because it wouldn't have much response - low activity here :p). Greetings, SPQRobin 14:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)



I have a idea to enable the floodflag function on Incubator, its is kind of easy to flood the recent changes with deleting, or fixing double redirect. I did give myself a botflag twice and made sure that I didn't flood the recent changes.

On Meta Administrators can give them self a floodflag so the will not flood, and the don't need to give them a botflag. I don't see why we couldn't activate it here also. Abigor talk 14:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


  1. Abigor talk 14:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


  1. As I said on IRC, just give your account a bot flag. The only user right that would be extra, is nominornewtalk. That's not a problem, I think. SPQRobin 14:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  2. Why should we have another usergroup? Bot flag works very well. --MF-W {a, b} 14:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


  1. Having seen flood flags on meta and other non-WMF wikis, there are arguments for both. In this case, I think maybe flood flag for human accounts, and bot for automated processes, but no hard-and-fast rule should really be applied. --Waxwings 10:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

New here

Hi, I'm new here. Not new to Wikimedia in general, but new here anyway. How can I be helpful within the community? - all advice is appreciated and will be acted upon! Ta, --Waxwings 09:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello, if you're really interested, you could come on IRC to give you advice and info. SPQRobin 16:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Krymchak / Pecheneg

Moved to I:RFD, the appropiate page for that. --MF-W {a, b} 15:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Licensing update

The licensing update proposal to dual license all Wikimedia Foundation wikis under both the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License (CC-BY-SA) is moving into its final phase. This proposal has been put forward by the Foundation and made possible by recent changes in the GFDL. Adopting the new licensing scheme is contingent on community approval. In several days a site notice for all editors will announce the start of three weeks of community voting on this proposal. In the mean time we would invite you to visit the update proposal and its associated FAQ if you want to learn more. We would also appreciate your help finishing the translation effort for the core documents associated with this process. --MF-W {a, b} (Member of the Licensing Update Committee) 18:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


I started working on some stuff to build a Votian wikipedia (Wp/vot). I'm now in the middle of writing a main page... and it struck me to look at other ones. I noticed the Veps one coming together fairly nicely... and yet it was rejected, yet it's a fairly actively-used language with a reasonably-sized speaking community. Votian is much smaller and much less active. I think languages like Votian and Veps would do well to have something with the stature of a Wikipedia, even if they start out small with few users... if it's out there it'll attract others to itself to use it and work on it.

But if Vepsian was rejected, I can't see Votian having any chance of approval... so I'm not sure I should even bother - as much as I want to. --2Q 21:51, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The Veps Wikipedia was rejected because the proposer didn't speak any Veps. It is rather useful that a wikipedia is written by people that have some - prefferable much - knowledge of the language they write in. (see for the request). I don't know what your proficiency in Votian is, so I can't say much about the Votian situation. --Ooswesthoesbes 14:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
My proficiency in Votian is middling. I'm comfortable enough with it to undertake writing articles and translating the interface, though my writing in Votian won't be as nuanced and "smooth" as a native speaker's would be. --2Q 16:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Are there any revival projects for the Votian language? Because what I read about the current number of speakers isn't really beautiful :( They might have an argument against with that. --Ooswesthoesbes 16:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about the counts! Some are very pessimistic, but other recent ones (a Tartu University expedition) says 50, another from Finland said about 100. But the issue with all these numbers is they're counting only *native* speakers! There are quite a few people learning the language, or who speak some; there's even been a quite thorough self-instruction book (see ). The last few years have seen a large growth in interest in Votian; when I first started working with it in 1996 there was very little, and I would directly attribute the growth to the internet. If there is to be further growth, it will also happen through the internet, and I think a wikipedia would be an immensely helpful tool! --2Q 17:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
They say Wikipedia needs to be used for the spread of knockledge and therefore native speakers are necessary (extinct languages are rejected!). But if Votian is on a revival I would say it is a brilliant idea to start with a Wikipedia in this language. And may it help reviving the language it's a very useful project! --Ooswesthoesbes 17:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Well then I'll get back to working on it, then. Once I've got a main page done up I'll spread the word and hopefully recruit some more people to work on it. I'm also hoping to get approved at translatewiki to get the interface translated as well. Though it's true that most speakers of Votian speak Russian at a native level, not all do. And anyways, it's not Russian, why would the interface have to be in Russian? :) --2Q 18:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Very good :) --Ooswesthoesbes 04:30, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


I think we should ask users for feedback: What is their biggest problem/burden? For example a link in the sidebar and temporarily a sitenotice, to a feedback form or email.

We could point it to [[]] or a specific account: [[]]. Or even [[]] or [[]] (I like this one) but those take some time to create (bugzilla etc.). Or just Incubator:Feedback, like on enwikt.

What do you think? Greetings, SPQRobin 15:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I would say email to Incubator[at] And maybe work with the otrs system. (a new queu) Abigor talk 18:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, is indeed the best email address, I think. But OTRS, I don't know, it seems a bit too "official". Or we could create Incubator:Feedback for normal questions/feedback, and set up OTRS for important & private questions. SPQRobin 20:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
What is ORTS? --Ooswesthoesbes 09:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
See meta:OTRS: people who have access to handle e-mails with questions etc. SPQRobin 11:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Azonae, daer huuere 'ch neet bie :) --Ooswesthoesbes 17:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Who receives (will receive?) emails to incubator[ät] --MF-W {a, b} 16:04, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
If we use OTRS, everyone who wants to help needs access (m:OTRS/volunteering). Or we can just file a bug at bugzilla to create a custom email address which is e.g. sent to email addresses of who wants, I don't know how we could do that... SPQRobin 16:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

This is again leading nowhere, so I propose to create Incubator:Feedback for normal questions/feedback, and set up OTRS for important & private questions. If nobody opposes within some days, I'll request an OTRS queue for incubator. SPQRobin 11:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

support support Abigor talk 14:56, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I asked it and an OTRS-queue for Incubator would not get enough e-mails, therefore it's not created. We'll just use Incubator:Feedback (and this page, and the mailing list). SPQRobin 20:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposal to Remove Simple English (simple) versions of Wikimedia Projects

I have found the location to propose the creation of new versions of various Wikimedia projects, but have found nowhere to propose the removal of any project. I am an American and insulted at the hosting of the "Simple English" versions of Wikimedia projects. It would be fair, at least, if "simple" versions of the Wikimedia projects of all language versions were created, but why just English. I believe this is targeted towards a stereotypical lack of intelligence on the part of Americans. There is no more need for a Simple English version of any Wikimedia project than there is for any other language. I hope there is a place to propose the removal of a language project.

--Agomulka 22:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Please go to here. --Ooswesthoesbes 05:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Who says this is targeted towards Americans? It's more likely that this is because English is the "lingua franca" of the web, and there are many people who don't know enough English (as second language) to understand some complicated explanations at the English Wikipedia. Proposals for closing Simple English wikis have been made several times, and each time it has been "kept". Proposing it again is just waste of time. (Even though my personal opinion is that it should be removed.) SPQRobin 17:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikimania 2009: Scholarships

English: Wikimania 2009, this year's global event devoted to Wikimedia projects around the globe, is now accepting applications for scholarships to the conference. This year's conference will be handled from August 26-28 in Buenos Aires, Argentina. The scholarship can be used to help offset the costs of travel and registration. For more information, check the official information page. Please remember that the Call for Participation is still open, please submit your papers! Without submissions, Wikimania would not be nearly as fun! --Az1568 02:10, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Because AddPrefix could be a good solution for many users (and many would not find the way to enable it), I have added it to Common.js so it is enabled for everyone. It's just a test, I hope it will have positive reactions, but we can always remove it back. Greetings, SPQRobin 21:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki extension

I have been working on a MediaWiki extension (see mw:Extension:WikimediaIncubator and my toolserver) to fix some "problems" we have here, for example it shows recent changes of the test wiki you would have to give on Special:Preferences. I hope to have it activated on Incubator soon (first I requested commit access so I can work on it properly). If you would like to see a feature, or don't like an existing feature, please say so. Greetings, SPQRobin 18:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Punjabi Wikipedia Crossed 1000th

Punjabi Wikipedia crossed 1000 with انٹل کور 2 (an article about my computer's processor, Intel Core 2). Punjabi Wikipedia has reached at its 1000th article after 6 months of untiring efforts. The pace can increase if it is normalized. Danish47 12:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Danish thanks. It is great to reach here. In the community of almost 270 Wikipedias we are almost at 170th position[1]. In world ranking Punjabi speaking population is at 11th position[2] but here we are at 170th and in incubator. More emphasis should remain on the quality and exactness of information rather than quantity. German Emperor Wilhlem is coming to mind when he said on the advent of 20th century: Course will remain the same, full speed ahead.--Khalid Mahmood 13:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
congrats Abigor talk 14:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Little policy change

See this change. It makes things easier, since bureaucrats/admins are usually already trusted. I assume nobody objects (probably nobody would answer if I ask for support either :p). SPQRobin 17:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Although I do not oppose this change, I think it is quite strange to make a policy change without prior community consultation when there are two requests running. (and three days waiting aren't so terrible, right?) --MF-W {a, b} 16:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
But if a bureaucrat has to decide, while the requester is already a bureaucrat, that seems a bit strange and a bit too much "bureaucracy" to me. And btw, it was only one request: I discussed it with Mardetanha, and he thought import access could be useful for him as well so he applied when I changed this. SPQRobin 17:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
I am not against this change, I was just complaining about changing the policy without discussion while there is an open request. --MF-W {a, b} 15:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Simple English Wikinews

Is there a Simple English Wikinews on Incubator? GT5162 13:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

No, because Simple English projects are not allowed with the current language proposal policy. Previous requests (first and second) have been rejected. There is a project at Incubator Plus but that won't be approved. SPQRobin 13:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Recent changes

There are too many projects in Incubator, but only one Recent Changes. It is very hard to watch recent pages, if you contribute only in one project. Can we add project specific recent changes like in Betawiki. See here (only English) and here (all). --Joseph 19:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like something greats to me. Abigor talk 12:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
This is a known idea, and I'm actually working on it. I just got commit access, so it's coming soon! SPQRobin 18:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Usage of DynamicPageList extension

Can we enable DynamicPageList extension here in Incubator? It will be very useful for Wikinews tests. --Joseph 15:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

There's already a bug request about it (bug 11112). They don't want to enable it... SPQRobin 18:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
I suppor this again Abigor talk 17:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I support as well, of course. SPQRobin 17:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I support Srhat 13:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

We have DPL on Incubator as we speak :) I sugest we all go to here and thank to good developer that helped us.. O if you miss me in a few days, it can be that I am hurt or dead while protecting Rob

<logmsgbot> !log robh synchronized php-1.5/InitialiseSettings.php 'Bug 11112 Install DynamicPageList on Incubator'

<RobH> Huib: its enabled, if folks come for me with pitchforks

<RobH> i blame you

Abigor talk 19:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Good news! SPQRobin 20:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki extension poll

A few sections above, I talked about my extension but (as usual :p) nobody answered. Shall we request to enable it? To get more reactions, I consider this as a vote (of course opinions are more welcome!). I support support at least :-) SPQRobin 18:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

support support yay would be so helpful --Mardetanha talk 18:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
  • support support Abigor talk 10:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
  • support support MF-W {a, b} 17:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
  • support support --OWTB 19:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC) (srry, forgot my password here... maybe I will once know it again :P -> already found wachwaord.txt, so no problem anymore)
  • support support It looks pretty and useful. Thanks. Srhat 13:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Submitted as bug 18788. SPQRobin 17:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Special interface messages for specific test projects

Hi,I noticed that Wikimedia Incubator have interface messages in different languages but don't have different messages for different test projects. For example all of the test projects in Afar language use the same interface messages. But some interface messages such as MediaWiki:Sidebar and MediaWiki:Newarticletext may differ for several projects even the projects are in the same language. We can create a subpage to MediaWiki page when we want to use different texts for different projects (for example: MediaWiki:Sidebar/tr page includes the message for Turkish interface and MediaWiki:Sidebar/tr/Wn page will include the message for Turkish Wikinews project. We can add a code to MediaWiki:Sidebar/tr page which detects the prefix of page.). I request to use specific messages for specific projects.Srhat 11:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

It'd be a lot of work to update all those different pages. But, when the MediaWiki extension is enabled here (see section above), we'll have a magic word {{USERTESTWIKI}} which can be used in MediaWiki:Sidebar to add a link to the test wiki, respectively "Wn/tr". What would you add if you had the page MediaWiki:Sidebar/tr/Wn? SPQRobin 12:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I would add link Wikinews Main Page, Wikinews Help in edition to current links. Also I would add, Wikinews test editing tip etc. to MediaWiki:Newarticletext page. But if this is too hard to do, test projects can wait their own domain to do this changes. Thanks Srhat 13:33, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I added it to my to-do list, so when I have time, I'll see what the best way to do this, is. SPQRobin 14:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Srhat 15:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


I noticed that the link to Pinyin language on Wp/pny links to a disambiguation page on Wikipedia, which lists several types of pinyin. I also saw that all of the pages in that test wiki were moved to Wp/zh-pinyin, even though zh-pinyin is not a valid language code. Which type of pinyin should be used in this test wiki and does pinyin have a valid language code? Thanks. SUL 22:12, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Wp/pny is for Cameroon Pinyin language, which has a valid ISO 639-3 code. Chinese Pinyin doesn't have ISO 639 code, but has BCP 47 code (zh-Latn-pinyin) described in IANA registry as "Pinyin romanization". I think zh-Latn-pinyin covers Hanyu Pinyin and Tongyong Pinyin, but not Weituoma Pinyin (zh-Latn-wadegile) nor Tibetan pinyin (bo-Latn-pinyin). --Filemon 11:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
So pny isn't the language code for Hanyu Pinyin? I saw that there was a request for a Pinyin Wikipedia at m:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Pinyin using the language details "Pinyin (pny ISO 639-3)", which said that pinyin is spoken in China. SUL 17:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
It is an obvious mistake. Code pny is for African Pinyin language, which has nothing to do with Chinese. Hanyu Pinyin doesn't have ISO 639 code (only generic zh/chi/zho can be used for it), so (under current regulations) it cannot have its own separate Wikipedia edition. --Filemon 18:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Punjabi Wikipedia Crosses 2000th article!

With this article نتھیاگلی Punjabi Wikipedia crosses 2000th article. It deserves to live a normal life out of incubator. Danish47 18:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Congrats! --Joseph 18:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, congrats, but I'd like to point you that most articles contain just an infobox and are thus very short. Quality is more important than quantity! SPQRobin 18:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, Robin I agree with you that most of the articles contain an infobox, but we tried to give essential basic information in that infobox. For example we gave essential information about every canton of Switzerland: Name, area, population, map of the canton, map within the Switzerland, major city, when the canton joined switzerland and if possible some pictures, for example Wp/pnb/آرگاو. At this initial stage it is better. Same we did with all the provinces of Germany and many other major countries of the world. All star articles were short in the beginning. But if you see meticolously we have completed the outline of countries of the world. Here I don't want to mention names but if you observe other normal Wikipedias of the languages of our region you will be surprised to see our quality and quantity. When we see them we certainly feel content and proud. 2000 artcles contain essential general interest. Our next phase is to write about all 1000 essential wikipedia articles + particularly interested to Punjabi speaking people. Please allow me to disagree that we made small articles only. We made normal sized articles too, for example on top medal scorer American soldier: Audie Murphy/Wp/pnb/آڈی مرفی. Some months ago Masry Wikipedia was regularized although they made less articles than us. If you see the regular list of wikipedias, almost 100 Wikipedias are normalized although they had less articles than us. Thanks. Danish47 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
"Please allow me to disagree that we made small articles only." -> of course, I said most articles are small, not all. I'd recommend that you now focus on quality. Anyway, I asked the other members of the Language Committee if there is any progress in the approval of Punjabi Wikipedia, and others. SPQRobin 19:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Congrats. Abigor talk 08:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Mirandese Wikipedia

Hi! I'm Chabi, from Mirandese Wikipedia project. This project has all the vital articles (the 100 ones), and it has a lot of the 1000 articles that every Wikipedia shoud have. All articles are very complete (not only two phrases as ocurred in other languages Wikiprojects) and we have been in the Incubator more than a year. Please, we need information about when could we have our own Wikipedia. We don't know how's going the process or how does it works. We need somebody to us something because we don't have any information at all. Thanks for your help. --Chabi 07:42, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Please... You have asked it to everybody, I explained it as well... Nobody can give you more information than I/we already did. SPQRobin 23:57, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I'm sorry. --Chabi 06:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


GerardM asked me to request to enable the mw:Extension:LocalisationUpdate extension. It updates Incubator with the latest translations of MediaWiki without needing to update the whole software (as this can take some months). I think this is a good idea, but I'll first ask what others think. So, as usual, if nobody opposes I'll submit a bugzilla request. Greetings, SPQRobin 14:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It took me some time to read about this extension and normally I would say I support everything that can make Incubator better but I'm going to oppose to this one.
  • This extension needs to be activated for a update with the commandline, this will mean that we need a bug for every update. Without this extension we need to wait a few months and get the updates, with this extension we need to make a bug and still wait for weeks or months (Or years when you look at the dpl extension) so this extension will give more workload instead of giving automatic updates.
  • The extension is a bèta version what means it can have some strange effects what can lead to bad things, I prefer a stable release before we activate it here.
So to keep it short, I oppose to activate this extension because I don't see the need and see some possible dangers. Abigor talk 12:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
No, it can be updated using cronjob, which means it is done automatically. It would indeed be unrealistic if we had to ask for each update. It may be beta, because it is new, but I think it is being tested, so by the time it is installed it will be stable enough for Incubator. SPQRobin 13:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I support enabling this extension. Although it normally doesn't take months to update the software, it will be useful to our translating test editors, who can see their work in action quite immediately & won't need to ask questions why they don't see their translations here. --MF-W {a, b} 15:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Submitted as bug 19312 (I asked to enable it when it is stable enough). SPQRobin 18:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Localisation reqs for Coptic Wikisource

As I have been contributing to Coptic Wikisource for a while now, I think it should be important for me to turn my attention to the main requirements. One of the issues with a specific requirement is that it states that a first-time Wiki (including a Wikisource) for any language must localise at least the most-used MediaWiki messages. The same is said here. But, as I am about to explain, these requirements seem to be contradicted by other pages.

In this case, first of all, localisation just seems plain unnecessary. Pretty much undoable, in fact. I've tried to see if it would work out before on beta wiki, where I created a portal to meet this requirement. However, it was deleted by Siebrand, who said that, while a Coptic Wikisource may make sense, giving it a localisation does not (some people don't agree that it's extinct because of the 20th century revival attempts, but I'm not willing to start a "debate" on that).

Further, according to Language proposal policy itself, Ancient Languages may be bundled with English, although that isn't necessary. If that's the case, then why add a requirement for any MediaWiki messages to this project? ~Troy 17:11, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

It can be bundled with its modern equivalent, which is not English; the example given was English for Old English. It would rather be Egyptian Arabic, but bundling is not required. Anyway, Wikisources actually have to be made at and not here. SPQRobin 18:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I did not initiate the project when it was started on incubator, and the person who started the project has now retired. Coincidentally, before you commented here, I realized that it does need to be on Oldwikisource (see my earlier comment). Would transferring the project to be realistic? How can I do that? ~Troy 19:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, is it possible that the page histories can be retained? ~Troy 19:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, importers can do that. On Wikisource there is one importer. We could ask it to him, or I could request import access over there so I can do it myself. SPQRobin 23:41, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Great—I thought so! From what I can tell, things would probably work best if we go with either option and notify a few of the more active group members (I can deal with the latter). A soft redirect should work well enough otherwise. Then, the same should probably be done for Ws/grc, which should also be on Oldwikisource. Also, I notice that MediaWiki:Edittools has been updated to include Coptic unicode characters—this would probably have to be done there as well. And, unless I've missed something, that's all we need to do for now. Can you please make sure that everything gets imported nice and smooth, SPQRobin? Thanks. ~Troy 02:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I see that it has already been imported. All that's left is to correct page titles and templates; etc etc. ~Troy 03:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Great (except that the renames could've been prevented as I said over there but it's too late now). Then I'll delete the pages here soon, and leave a soft redirect at ws/cop and ws/grc. About the edit tools, you should ask it over there, I don't have the rights to edit the page there. SPQRobin 10:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) The edit tools are not a problem, actually, because I can ask at any time after everything else is organized. I still need to know how the talk pages going to be dealt with (dw, there's not too many: only 4 talk pages from both projects on last count). ~Troy 17:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Ask the person who imported the pages to import the talk pages. SPQRobin 19:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I have requested it just now. Luckily, the talk pages aren't a heavy load ...perhaps we can delete them first once they're imported and sorted out other there. ~Troy 19:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Btw, I forgot about the templates/template talk pages as well, the former of which are needed for the current state of imports to function correctly. I have included this in my request. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we didn't forget anything else, because it's already a bit of a hassle. ~Troy 20:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
All pages (except the main pages ws/cop and ws/grc) are listed on User:SPQRobin/delete. Could you please check if there all pages are imported? Thanks, SPQRobin 20:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I have checked everything on Oldwikisource via my sandbox using the pages you mentioned to link to Oldwikisource (you can try this too by clicking the mouse scroller to open each link in new tabs). Everything, including the templates, appear to be available, and assuming that the page renames will (and should) solve any other issues, that should be the last of any imports. It looks like the next step is to rename the pages, templates, and all the categories in each page. ~Troy 22:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Fyi, I have begun the renames for the more obvious titles now (for the main page and a template that wasn't viewing correctly before). I still don't know how the Ancient Greek main page should be titled, as "Main Page" itself is written in Greek. Let me know when you're ready to sort out the others. ~Troy 23:59, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I do not see the problem. Isn't it just something like "Main Page:Ancient Greek"? SPQRobin 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, you're right. I've dealt with it. Now I might as well move on with the renaming for each page. ~Troy 01:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Some discussion at the mailing list that may be interesting to you:

> A multi lingual Wikisource exists. This is effectively like the incubator.
> For extinct languages we do not ask for a localisation of the software.
> When a Wikisource is of sufficient size we can allow for a separate project.
> The question would be what will be the default language for an extinct language

I think that multilingual Wikisource has another important
characteristics: To provide the infrastructure for sources in extinct
or moribund languages. I don't think that the problem is to see at one
project a lot of texts in Ancient Greek, Classical Chinese and a lot
of texts in a moribund languages. In other words, I think that "the
rest of the languages" in the sense of free already created texts
should go to the multilingual Wikisource.

SPQRobin 10:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I know for sure that both of these specific projects should work out on the multi lingual Wikisource. In terms of localisation, it's all about the functionality. Is it useful or even necessary to switch the default language? In terms of Ancient Greek, I say it sounds like it would work well with modern Greek. But with Coptic, I have a feeling that both English (the current situation) and Egyptian Arabic make for feasible options, because for those who know/understand any Coptic will likely speak English or Egyptian Arabic. My opinion is that it is already sufficient as it is because Arabic has a right-to-left DIR (directionality), which may conflict with the left-to-right DIR of Coptic. Another compatibility issue: it's easier to type in English than in Arabic. Ergo, it would not make any sense to have a "requirement" for the localisation of any language that is rarely known, as per the Language Proposal policy. The requirements page (which, as I am a aware, is unofficial) still needs to be looked at because it may influence the decision by the language committee, and that certainly is not desireable if it includes the converse of any requirements stated by the Language Proposal policy. It's probably in everyone's best interest to avoid that. (And yes, you caught my interest :) ~Troy 16:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Good news: I have pretty much finished renaming everything on both of these Wikisource projects. So, I have requested for an update to both of their respective categories/designated locations. ~Troy 20:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I updated the pages. Btw, you could've done it yourself :-) It is an editable page like any other page (of course, as long as it is just a practical update). SPQRobin 22:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok. In that case, I have made a practical update to each page [3] [4] ...I noticed that the automated statistics pages were still on Incubator, so I used the lines at the bottom to fix it so that now it shows under Wikisource. But I still have one last thing I would like to be sure of: if Coptic Wikisource doesn't get localised, is it still possible, without bending the rules, for it to have its own subdomain in the future? Thanks, ~Troy 23:30, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Sure, as you can read in the email I copied above. Anyway, there is still ongoing discussion on the mailing list about Wikisource. SPQRobin 07:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, just checking ;) ...and if it ever comes to that, I'll make sure to refer to this section. It could be useful. Thanks for all the help, ~Troy 15:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


  • 我想建立台灣維基百科!I want to build Taiwan wikimedia!我不知道行不行ㄟ!
  • I from in Taiwan!I dont English!!
  • 台灣維基百科是一個繁體中文的百科全書!!--Msnhinet8jp 08:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
  • 希望能申請到一個台灣維基百科!
We have Wikipedias in Mandarin Chinese, Min Nan and Hakka.
Google Translate: 我们已经维基百科在 国语闵嗯鹌客家
SPQRobin 09:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
This user is blocked on for sockpuppetry. SUL 12:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


Some mates and I are working on a Wikiversity learning initiative. I am the driver of the project currently and haven't really got them firing yet but nonetheless, I was wondering if Incubator would be an appropriate forum for a Wiktionary kind of bilingual dictionary. We are learning Tibetan and most of us are native English speakers. I would like to build a source within Wikimedia. Are there templates we may tweak and an appropriate infrastructure we may filigree? I have the details for the Tibetan Wiktionary but progressing that in a bilingual manner would be a bastardization *heheheheh* wouldn't it? I await ur advice.
B9 hummingbird hovering 09:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I understand from your message, you are asking to start a project separate from the other Wikimedia projects? You can only work on the Tibetan Wiktionary which would then need to follow the standard procedure for approval. Please clarify if I am wrong. Greetings, SPQRobin 22:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletion tags

Hi, is there any tag or template to mark pages that should be deleted by an administrator? If not, should I create one? Thanks,--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 09:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

And one further question, I tried to make the users displaying this template (or any other of the language) appear in its Category just as it happens for example in this other category, but I have no clue how it goes. Any idea? Thanks, --Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 09:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
First question: There is {{speedy}}. Second question: you need to add something like <includeonly>[[Category:User shi-0|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly> to the template. You can use the source of other babel templates as examples. --MF-W {a, b} 12:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot.--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 00:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

List new contributions or pages

I was wondering if there is a way to list the new contributions or new pages of a project in a similar way as it is done by Special:Recent changes, but just for a test wiki, i.e., for all pages prefixed by Wx/xx. It would be extremely useful. If not, I can try to export some tool like that, there may exist one at the Spanish wiki (I'm not sure).--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 02:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Many users have said this, and actually I have created such a tool and it is ready, but it's waiting for approval by the developers, see bug 18788. I recommend that you complain on that bug to get attention of the developers :-) Btw, could you please give a link to that tool on the Spanish wiki? Thanks, SPQRobin 12:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Sure. Where should I do it? In some section of the Community Portal?--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 03:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The link you mean? Just give it here so I can see what it is. Thanks, SPQRobin 09:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I misunderstood you. Here is the link.--Diotime (Doutes, aide...) 02:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
That tool uses Special:Newpages etc, but that gives you all recent changes of all test wikis. The extension I made does what we need... I hope they will finally enable it soon... SPQRobin 19:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

"meta-third" for Template:test wiki


Template:test wiki already has a "meta-second" parameter for projects with two requests at meta, but since Wikipedia North Frisian has already a third request there, I think a "meta-third" parameter should be created as well. Thanks in advance, 14:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I added meta-n (so you should use meta-n=3), and deprecated meta-second (otherwise you can add meta-fourth, etc :p). SPQRobin 15:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! 15:40, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Transparent-ize the Favicon!

I am new to this project, but am also here to make a simple request. The favicon has a white background, which I absolutely HATE, and yet, the logo on the top left corner has a transparent background. Can we make the favicon background transparent too? Deathgleaner 21:55, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I know, but the image is directly taken from and not part of the wiki (i.e. not uploaded on the wiki). You'll have to request on Bugzilla to copy to Regards, SPQRobin 22:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Araona test wiki is false

I knew or suspected it all the time, but I think I have to report it now: the so called Araona test Wikipedia is an utter hoax. See Talk:Wp/aro/Main Page. The reasons for this conclusion are:

  • The language has less than a hundred speakers. Even a Wikipedia in an Amerindian language like Quechua, with 100,000 times as many speakers, hardly attracts native speakers, only second language learners (the most active contributor, the only one to declare himself a fluent speaker, is a German). And an Araona Wikipedia would attract this amount of native attention?
  • According to the English Wikipedia article, knowledge of Spanish is not universal under speakers. That means they live in an isolated community, possibly even as a Naturvolk. Are these people likely to have access to internet?
  • Along with Latin characters, they use a script which is supposedly the Aroana's native script. Now there is no evidence at all that this language has a native script (matter-of-fact: how many languages in South America do?) and the script used is the Phoenician one. Most people won't recognise it, because they haven't had the fonts installed in the first place, but stop and think: why on earth would anyone employ this script for an Amerindian language?

Of course, virtually nobody speaks Araona or indeed any language closely related to it (see en:Tacanan languages), so the people behind it can go ahead and write down any gibberish that looks Amerindian in some way. As a matter of fact, User:Erebedhel does live in the area, and his Spanish user account seems to reveal a keen interest in Aymara, which he does speak at least to some extent, and in other aspects of indigenous culture. However, his contributions show no link with any Araona heritage: no edits to articles about their language (the Spanish Wikipedia has none!) or anything else related to the Tacanan-speaking peoples. So, the most logical conclusion to me is that Erebedhel is trying to test whether someone really watches Incubator. We have had such tests before, after all. Steinbach 08:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

This is quite possible, there are more like these. Anyway, the policy requires languages to be verified, so if this is not written in Araona it won't get an own Wikipedia. SPQRobin 17:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for replying so late to this thread I didn't notice it and I couldn't be so active in Wikipedia lately. Well but I believe I should clarify some things, first of all I didn't start this project I just discovered it in February, but the creator was User:Olaf Voljavo I just contributed with a couple of articles. And secondly after reviewing the content I also realized that the language of most articles wasn't really Araona, it can be easily proved with [the dictionary at first I thought maybe there was a confusion with the ISO code with orq and I was confused with the alphabet because as far as I know the Araonas didn't develop a unique writing system so to confirm that I asked about it but I didn't get any response. I'd be interested in working in Wikipedias of indigenous languages of the area because I've studied them, but if it were up to me I wouldn't have started with Araona for obvious logistic reasons, in any case I'd have started with Chipaya or Tacana that are more widespread and at least in the case of Chipaya, their speakers do have access to computers and internet so a Wiki would be more beneficial for them. But as Steinbach mentioned before both the Aymara and Quechua wikis lack of contributors I try to contribute in the Aymara wiki as much as I can but the lack of structure, templates, localisation in translatewiki is overwhelming. However regardless I believe I can correct most of the content and write in the real Araona throughout next year I believe I'd be the only contributor which wouldn't make a Wikipedia. I'm interested in developing educational material in indigenous languages as there are important reforms to the educational system in the area but I believe that should be achieved with other resources first then eventually if there is a community then think about creating a Wikipedia. But I'd greatly appreciate not being depicted as a perpetrator of a hoax since I didn't start that test and the few articles I wrote are written in the real Araona language such as this Wp/aro/Almazán ‎they may be stubs but not hoaxes, I can't respond for the rest but I believe I did address that before properly to find out more about that situation. Thanks. --Erebedhel Erebedhel.svg - M Email.png 10:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I already apologised for labelling the wrong user as a hoaxer. Well, in any case the contributions of this Olaf need to be undone, and his account blocked, as he is clearly a bad faith user. Steinbach 18:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The contents indeed isn't Araona, it's another language (constructed language?). The language is called Aqoana (not Araona) and it used to be at wp/orq instead of wp/aro. I've fixed a few things now. --OWTB 13:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

LocalisationUpdate enabled

I'd like to inform you that the LocalisationUpdate extension is enabled on (I think) all Wikimedia projects. SPQRobin 15:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

This means that all localisations done at will become available in a timely manner. The worst case scenario is now to have your localisations available everywhere in three days.. this used to be three months!! Thanks, 17:10, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

New import sources

I propose that the following wikis will be added to our import sources (at the moment, that are Meta, Commons and English Wikipedia). This would be useful for importing pages to translate for test projects easier.

If there is no opposition after one weak, I will make a bugzilla request. --MF-W {a, b} 15:17, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, why not :) SPQRobin 10:38, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Submitted as bugzilla:20973. --MF-W {a, b} 13:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Volunteers still needed

Hi all,
Although we soon will remove the centralnotice that is up, the Wikimedia Foundation is still looking for volunteers to serve as subject area experts or to sit on task forces that will study particular areas and make recommendations to the Foundation about its strategic plan. You may apply to serve on a task force or register your name as an expert in a specific area at

The Foundation's strategy project is a year-long collaborative process which is hosted on the strategy wiki, at Your input is welcome (and greatly desired) there. When the task forces begin to meet, they will do their work transparently and on that wiki, and any member of the community may join fully in their work. This process is specifically designed to involve as many community members as possible.

Any questions can be addressed to me either on my talk page here or on the strategy wiki or by email to philippe at

I hope you'll consider joining us!

Philippe 02:08, 1 October 2009 (UTC)