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Help ?

hi, I'm starting a new project, wikinews in albanian (wn/sq), but I'm not sure how things are done here, so if you could create a main page (in english of course, than I'll translate), a category etc. (I dont know what else is needed), and I will continue, thanks in advance :) --Cradel 09:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Just create a main page at Wn/sq (for example, you can translate wikinews:Main Page). If you want to create the article "News", create it at Wn/sq/News. The main category is Category:Wn/sq, and if you want to create a subcategory "News", do it at Category:Wn/sq/News. And the same for templates, e.g. Template:Wn/sq/News. SPQRobin 14:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Wt/mu

That's friend. During the Spanish colonial conquest and was known as Chibcha language, but with linguistic studies of the nineteenth and twentieth century, was named "Chibcha" the great family and linguistic as "Muisca" or "Moscag" the only language spoken in Cundinamarca and Boyaca.

The big family linguistica Chibcha covered territories from americas Center until Ecuador. I think that section of the English Wikipedia is wrong and I do not write very well English for work.

Thank you for your question and for giving me welcome.--Diegomez 21:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Do not change yet. Espérame 3 minutes and you explain.--Diegomez 21:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this chart you explain the better.

As "CHB" must know the whole family linguistica Chibcha, as the chart illustrates, is very broad and includes many languages, where the language is included "Muisca." So it is incorrect to call it "CHB" would be more appropriate to call it "MU". It is as if the flames Spanish: "LA" because it is a language derived from Latin and not as "ES".

And in relation to the second problem. The language is recovering, there is talk again in three indigenous communities near Bogota (Cota, Chía and Suba), although the process is still incipient.

If you can read this article in the Spanish wikipedia:

http://translate.google.com.co/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fes.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLenguas_chibcha&hl=es&ie=UTF8&sl=es&tl=en

Thank you for your questions.--Diegomez 21:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I accept the motion gladly. Wherever on a temporary basis. You could indicate me how to make "MU" is official? call it as "CHB" is a natural mistake.--Diegomez 22:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your valuable assistance.--Diegomez 22:12, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Murcian language

Bur Mur is not for this language Murcian language hasn't got code --Chabi 18:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

How I Can ask for a code?

If we haven't got code? We must move to Wikia? --Chabi 18:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help. --Chabi 13:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Woord = woord

Srry, maar ik kon het niet laten om me niet aan mijn woord te houden :p.

OK, zal volgende week weer 1000x op je incubator OP zetten dat je terug moet komen :P Alexandru Latin Campania! 8 jun 2008 18:41 (UTC)

Vandaag is Dag van de Activiteit III geweest, met nieuwe gebruikers :D. 82.171.95.220 16:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC) (PS, sorry voor dit bericht! haha)

Hello

No, it isn't the same as ethonologue: itr I have created it, and it means "Uluslararası Türkiye Türkçesi"; in Englia: "International Turkey Turkish".

You can see the articles of:

A

B

C

Ç

D

Ocak

Vikipedi

Türkçe karakterleri yazmak için

Takvim

Madde hazırlama

Ĉ

For Non-Turkish Speakers

And if you want to see and add to ITR, you can join me! :) Uğurcuk 20:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Then delete here!

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/k-ttr

Delete the site on up. :( It is simple Turkey Turkish Wikipedia. :( Uğurcuk 21:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

• merci ;) Uğurcuk 21:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi SPQRobin,

You can also delete this page and any other pages associated with it because pinyin is nothing more than a romanisation of the Chinese language. --Jose77 00:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll take a look at it tomorrow. SPQRobin 00:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

New main page system

Salut. Can't "enter the test" be translated to Megleno-Romanian? Many people in Macedonia and Greece don't speak - or understand - English. --Макѕе 18:35, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

I know, but the template is not yet completely finished, and also, I don't know what would be the best system for translations: 1) should we use the interface language (anons won't profit from this) or 2) should we use the language of the test or 3) should we use the language of the test and English, or something else... I'll try to make it translatable as soon as possible. SPQRobin 18:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Some parts are now translatable at Template:Test wiki/translations. SPQRobin 22:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I have now added all three scripts. --Макѕе 10:02, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Nýytfrón

Doe je er nog iets mee of mag ik 'm hebbe? --Ooswesthoesbes 10:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Ge moogt em ebbe. SPQRobin 11:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Danke schoon. --Ooswesthoesbes 12:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wp/arz/

Hello! An anonymous user has created the page Wp/arz/. Because such name is not allowed, I'd like to know whether that page should be deleted or renamed. So, about what does that page go, and is that a useful subject? Thank you, SPQRobin 23:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

• Many thanks for your message and your useful and valued contributions to the project. The Wp/arz/ Page you mentioned is Written in Arabic not Masri , as you said created by an anonymous user and when I read it I think it is copied from somewhere else. I would be grateful if you delete it.

Regarding the wikipedia Masri project, I think it is a useful project , it is definitely attracting users and the articles are increasing both in number and quality, to me I am enjoying writing in my Mother tongue and I am expecting it to be one of the fast growing wikipedias after its approval. Once again many thanks. Ghaly 07:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• • Many thanks , Ghaly 16:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tarom Logo

Hello there, i am starting a new article in the Egyptian Arabic wikipedia about Tarom the Romanian airlines, every time i try to add the logo image(Image:Tarom-logo.png), i am reaceving a message that this action is limited to the Bureaucrats. i understand this has got something to do with the copywrite licese, however, is there is a way that you can helpme upload the logo to the page [1] thanks--Ramsis II 19:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Upload is disabled on Incubator, please upload it on Wikimedia Commons. It's explained at Incubator:Upload. Thank you, SPQRobin 19:56, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Translation of Main Page

Hi, SPQRobin. I modified and enable main page templates to descript translated language names. I will apply them for Japanese main page. --Hisagi 09:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

That is a good idea, but that way it needs constantly updated of various templates. I propose to revert it, and then I will try to find an easier way to enable translation of language names. Is that ok? SPQRobin 13:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Wp/lzz

I did it so because bothe Georgian and Latin scripts are used in the Laz writing. Wp/lzz-ge means that it is written in Georgian script. I will do the same page with the Latin script and name it Wp/lzz-lat. Dato deutschland 15:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Upper Sorbian wiktionary on incubator

Hi,

actually all the pages should have been moved now to our real wiktionary. I haven't looked at the incubator stuff for several months which is usually a sure sign that I don't need it any more. Feel free to delete it. --Ewornar 16:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Uus Äide

Hallo Robin, ik heb het vraagstuk van die bleekheid neergelegd bij Nohat, maar hij heeft tot op heden nog niet gereageerd. Zit misschien ook met die umlauttekens en heeft het wellicht ook veel te druk met geweldig exotische landenlogo’s! Intussen dacht ik: “Misschien wordt het wel veel beter op die grijze achtergrond”. In ieder geval zou ik dat weleens willen proberen; is het nog niet goed en wordt er later iets aan gedaan, dan komt dat ook automatisch voorelkaar. Mijn vraag is dus: zou je toch die actie bij Bugzilla voor ons willen uitvoeren? Groeten, --Pyt 08:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Logo stoant nu ap [2]. --Pyt 13:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Nee, ik doe het liefst niet omdat het logo 1) niet transparant is en 2) het onderschrift niet is zoals het zou moeten zijn. Spijtig genoeg heb ik niet de nodige vaardigheden en programma's om het beter te maken. Misschien kan je het aan iemand anders vragen, want Nohat lijkt het te druk te hebben met andere logo's. Groeten, SPQRobin 14:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Images

Hello, Robbin! Please, do not delete the images, I still want to use them. Move them to Commons, please. Thank you --Refat 08:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

wp/ota

Hello SPQRobin

Hello Tarih! Could you please say what "Main Page" is in Ottoman? Greetings, SPQRobin 10:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I think I understand true to your question. In Ottoman language آنا صحیفه is main page. I hope help to you

Have a good working--Tarih 06:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much--Tarih 07:46, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Wp/pcd

Done. Moved to Wp/pcd/Accueul Polletfa 11:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I understood :) Just one thing: 'si vous voudriez' is not correct, you have to say 'si vous voulez' because in french you can never use conditional in the 'if' clause of a conditional sentence (french children often learn that 'le si n'aime pas les -rait' -- because of 'il voudrait').

As for the wikipedia in picard, someone already prepared a request ([3]) but apparently the test on incubator is not really successful by now so it's not the right time to officially request the opening of a new wikipedia. Wait and see... Polletfa 20:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi again! Since your an admin here, could you please delete this page? I 'm not exactly sure what the title means, but the content means "you've got a head which looks like my ass" (Ta eun tête in dirot min ku !!! - in french: tu as une tête, on dirait mon cul). Thanks. Polletfa 10:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I put a message on the talk page of the french WP projects for Nord-Pas-de-Calais and Picardie. I hope there will be some users willing to contribute in picard. Polletfa 13:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. I also completed the german translation but it would be good if a native german speaker could review it. Polletfa 14:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Help:Manual

Hi, I find your draft better than the current page. Help:Manual is too 'heavy' (I'm not sure how to say that, but I mean that there is not enough blank space: too many information on little space), and a table is not such a good tool to draw a diagram. Also, I don't understand some steps (does the project already have a project? If yes: discuss the new project at the existing projects. If the project already exists, what is to discuss?). Your draft gives less details, but it makes it also easier to follow. Polletfa 22:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks

• Many thanks for all your efforts and for being the first one to write about the approval of Wikipedia Masry on the project's main page talk page. 06:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem :-) I'm happy there's finally a new approval. SPQRobin 22:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

coptic font

Hello there, while editing the Egyptian Arabic wiktionary( Masry wiktionary)[4] I need to insert coptic words whenever an egyptian word is derived from a coptic one. Is it possible to add copitc letters to the list of characters? thanks--Ramsis II 13:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but please copy those coptic letters to here so I know which I need to add to the list of characters. SPQRobin 22:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

mistake of me

sorry it was a mistake of me, i will fix them --Dêrsimij 15:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

please delete ALL un-prefixes pages of me. thank you. i will create new prefixes pages. --Dêrsimij 15:20, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

or better:

please move all this pages of me to Wp/zza/

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dêrsimij

thank you very much. --Dêrsimij 15:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

here are the links to the ALL un-prefixes pages they i crated:

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/zza/Çekuyî --Dêrsimij 15:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

zza = dimilki:

http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=zza

we write in the dimilki sub language. --Dêrsimij 15:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

exactly, I mean this. i am not the chef ot the project, for more infos you can ask: User_talk:Memede_Cewligij --Dêrsimij 15:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi SPQRobin, I changed the code to "kiu". Can you please hep us to transport pages from Wp/zza to Wp/kiu. Thanks. Memede Cewligij 15:47, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

hi again, its were also nice if you can move the linked un-prefixed articles here to "kiu":

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kiu/Çekuyî

thanks. --Dêrsimij 16:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

hi, i created it:

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kiu/Rîpelo_Ser

--Dêrsimij 09:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

ok sorry, thank you very much for your help. --Dêrsimij 10:07, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia and Wp/kiu

“Diq” and “kiu” codes represent two dialects of the Zazaki language. “diq” is spoken in the southern Zaza region while “kiu” is spoken in the northern Zaza region. Speakers of these dialects can communicate with each other despite some loud shifts in some lexicons and some slight grammar differences.

To be honest with you, people who write in Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia and Wp/kiu do not write in these dialects. Probably, you will ask me why. I’ll try to be as clear as I can because things get little bit complicate here. And I think that you and the wiki-media community need to know this.

So, here is the story: since Zazaki language is divided into dialects—there are also border dialects beside those two main dialects—some Zaza political groups wants to create standardized Zazaki. There are two camps in this issue. One camp is pro-Kurdish and wants to make a standard close to Kurdish language, a language spoken just next to Zaza region. This group uses Kurdish Latin didactics-letters and borrows lots of Kurdish letters. The second group is against that. This group wants to create and write in a standard Zazaki that is independent of Kurdish language. They also use some Turkish-Latin diacritics-letters. The second camp is currently doing the Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia while the first group is doing the Wp/kiu. I was part of the Zazaki (Dimli) Wikipedia, and I was active during its creation process.

In my opinion diq and kiu codes should have been reserved for the people who want to write in their dialects. The two projects unfortunately ignore these two main dialects and occupy these codes. When you told me that I can’t use the zza code, I didn’t want to take kiu. I wasn’t going to write in that dialect, so I withdraw my proposal. However people working for Wp/kiu project will submit another request for kiu, but they write a standard Zazaki based on their pro-Kurdish criteria. Memede Cewligij 18:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is a very difficult situation. I agree that diq.wikipedia might be the place for a possible solution. However, I think there is more you should know to better understand the situation. I like to tell you the story behind the diq.wikipedia as well.

I actually proposed the creation of the diq.wikipedia in 2005 under the user name of Maviulke12. Later, two more people joined me. I was very happy about their support, and they helped me during the proposal procedures. Finally, Meta-Wiki granted us a Wikipedia. I was the only sysop there at first. But since those two people helped me, I nominated them for sysop access. So, we started the wikipedia with three sysops. One of them told me that he was studying linguistics and did some studies about Zazaki language, and therefore, he should be the authority about how to write in the diq.wikipedia in a standard way. I thought that since he is studying linguistics, we might better listen to him. It turned out that many people did not like that person’s standard language. Lots of people wanted to write there, but all left the project because of his and his friend’s standard language. (those two sysops are speaking kiu and I speak diq by the way)

You can see from this [diq Wikipedia Statistics Page] that there are only 7 active users, and lots of people left. 2 of the active users hardly write in that wikipedia. I (my user name is Xosere there) and the user Dersimic had to leave that project last week because those two sysops wanted us to write the way they like. They started to revert our edits. There wasn’t any room to compromise. It looked like we were going to do some sort of edit wars. But, I didn’t want to get involve in something like that, and I left. So as you can see there are only 3 active users left there. (2 sysops, 1 bureaucrat, and 0 active users). Not surprisingly all of them are from the second group that I described above. As you can see there is almost no community there. Since that group holds the positions there, there can hardly be any community discussions.

People behind Wp/kiu project didn’t even joined diq.wikipedia. I don’t see that they will join from now on either. Those two groups that I described above don’t get along well.

It looks like there are three options in front of the Meta-Wiki Community.

• 1. Let the Wp/kiu has its own wikipedia. However, this option violates one of the rules in launching a new wikipedia since they won’t write in kiu dialect.
• 2. Force diq.wikipedia and Wp/kiu to work together in the existing wikipedia. This is not viable because the one group holds the most positions there. Probably two users from Wp/kiu should be given sysop access to diq.wikipedia to force the current sysops for compromise. This option looks hard.
• 3. The last option is I think to tell both sides that they are in violation. This is because they are not writing in diq and kiu dialects. And they are unjustly using those codes because if speakers of these dialects want to write in their dialects, there is no place for them. Actually, neither the language of diq and kiu exist, they just mix of several dialects. Memede Cewligij 06:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I copied my messages to the Dimilki request page at Meta. Hope that people could reach a fair deal. Memede Cewligij 07:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It is up to Wiki-meta community what to do. I think they should read what I wrote and also listen to other sides. Should Wp/kiu gets a wikipedia, it should be a new code. This is possible under Wiki-Meta rules. They are not writing in kiu, so they should not get its code. This code should be reserved for people who wants to write in kiu. I made that mistake with diq, and I am very sorry about it. We don't have to repeat it. Memede Cewligij 14:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Zazakî diq-wikipedia and kiu

Dear Robin,

it would be unjust to decide on the kiu-Wiki without hearing our point of view. So let me explain the situation please, because it is not as simple as one might think.

In my opinion, it is necessary to explain the Zazakî (Kirmanckî) language at first in more detail. The Kirmanckî language is in danger today. This unique and wonderful language is spoken by about 3 - 4 million native speakers. You might have heared that there are two camps, or let's say fractions, which declare a different interpretation of the Zazakî each time. Actually, these division is a quite new development. Most of the native speakers see and saw themselves as Kurds, and their language as a Kurdisch Subdialect / Sublanguage. However, most of the Kurds lost their feeling for their national and ethnic identity because of the assimilation and demagogism of the Turkish Repiblic. So, also some Kirmanckî (Zazakî) speakers denied their origins. In brief, it brought the whole national identity to a crisis. The result is that indeed the majority of the Kirmanckî speakers see themselves as Kurds, but also new parallel identities emerged. In order not to be Kurds anymore, people chose their religion, language or even politcal view as an alternative identity. There are some who see themselves as an own ethnic Zaza group, or as Turks, as Turkmens, as Alevi (in the meening of an souvereign ethnic group), and so on. You will find many scientific facts, analyses, pros and cons about that topic. Some will say Zazakî is a souvereign language, not Kurdish. On the other hand there are peole who say that Kirmanckî is the oldest Kurdish vernacular. But - and that's the point - we are not here to judge about people's opinion. We are not here to decide if somebody's a Kurd or not. Let that be an issue of the politicians and of the people, who live over there. For sure is that Kirmanckî's entity is in danger. Our aim is to conserve and to preserve the Kirmanckî (Zazakî) language. Nowadays, many native speakers cannot use their mother tongue, only a few educated people and the elderly speak their native language. In Europe or other western countries, where no state prevents you from learning your mother tongue, people still do not take care of their language. All in all, there won't be a Zazakî language in 50 years, if this continues. For that reason the User Xosere and Dêrsimij contacted a friend of mine and me, because they wanted to create a Wiki for Zazakî without getting politically. As you know, Zazakî consists of different subdialects. In fact, there are more than two main dialects. It is divided into Kirmanckî, So-Bê, Zazakî, Dimilkî, Kirdkî, Motkî, and several other lokal dialects. Here in Wikipedia only the Dimilkî and Kirmanckî codes are given. Also, some people who speak their mother tongue do not call them selves "Zaza". Moreover, it is a fact that every language is divided into dialects, before it gets standardized. If no standard language exists, this language will be lost sooner or later. I hope you agree on that. Of course many intellectual Kurds recognized this danger and started to develop a standardized Kirmanckî. Therefore they founded a linguistic working group called "Grûba Xebate ya Vateyî" -in short "Vate" ([5]). These people work since 1996 on the Zazakî / Kirmanckî language and developed a standardized Kirmanckî, which attends and inlcudes all subdialects. Today, about 90 per cent of all newspapers, internet pages and books which are written in Zazakî use their standards, their orthography and grammar. There are many renowned authors, editors, TV-hosts or publishers who use and publish the Kirmanckî in this form. To sum up, it is the most effective way to prevent the language from getting lost. The Zazaistian fraction (those who do not see themselves as Kurds, the admins of the diq.-Wiki) pursue a very destructive policy: they introduce their own standard, they invent their own words. As you can read above in Xosere's article, there are hardly users who write in the diq.-Wiki. The reason, why they do not got so many users is that their "standardized language" is not as popular as one might think, also their policital opinion upon Zazakî is very unilateral. So, we made a decision. We want a parallel wiki, in which we can use the nationwide and usual standard without entering a political minefield. Everybody who is able to use this is standard is welcome. I am a native speaker of Kirmanckî (Zazakî) and I am also in contact with the Vate Publishing Company, some of the prestigious Kirmanckî authors and writers, and well-known newspapers, who will support the Vate standardized Wiki, if it will be established. Hence, the KIU-Wiki would develop itself very rapidly, there would be more than two active users.

I appeal to you, dear Robin, to show us understanding. We just want to rescue our beautiful language.

I can also understand your wish to stay impartial in an inner-Kirmanckî conflict. But, I propose the following solution:

Let the both Wikis coexist, so that everybody can build up his own site. You will see which one will reach more attention and users. It would be a great and very important opportunity for Kirmanckî.

I appeal to your conscience and reason. We just want to serve our language, our mother tongue, our identity. We do not want to bear resposibility if Zazakî is getting lost. Do you?

I hope, you will make the right decision.

Respectfully yours,

--Berxwedan 15:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Berxwedan, I think Wikipedia doesn't care whether some people see themselves as Kurd or not--or their language as Kurdish dialect or not. This identity issue is irrelevant here. Zazaki has two main dialects, which is represented by ethnologue's diq and kiu codes. There are border dialects, but they are part of these two main dialects. Anyways, to open a Wiki, you need to have an ethnologue ISO 639-3 code. And you need to write in that dialect/language. diq.wikipedia and kiu.wikipedia must write in their respective dialects. zza code is not accepted by Wikipedia. The current two projects write in langauges/or dialects that do not exist in reality. Kiu and diq codes should be reserved for people who wants to write in their dialects since these codes represents their dialects; these codes doesn't represent some sort of standard languages. Memede Cewligij 17:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

In that case, both Wikis would have been closed, because the diq.wikipedia does not use the "diq.-dialect" as well. As above mentioned, we do not care either whether people see themselves as Kurds or not. We only want to create a Wiki in which we can write in standardized Zaza. --Berxwedan 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree that diq.wikipedia is violating the rule. I am talking with admins and warning them that they are suppose to write in diq dialect. Memede Cewligij 18:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Is this the best option? We should not preserve the subdialects of Kirmanckî (Zaza), we should preserve Kirmanckî itself! Anyway, who will check and control the diq.wikipedia, whether they use the "right dialect" or not? --Berxwedan 18:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I told diq.wikipedia admins that I would like to takeover the project from them since I speak that dialect and willing to switch it. I still has the sysop access there. There are a lot of people who wants to write in Dimli, but do not want to join diq.wikipedia under the current conditions. I am waiting for an answer from other sysops of the diq.wikipedia. Memede Cewligij 18:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Answer to your first question: Yes, I do think that it is efficient to have a diq and kiu wikipedia, written in their respective dialects. Those dialects are the two main dialects of Zazaki. If you include border dialects--that are counted in these two dialects by ethnologue--things get extremely complicated. Therefore many people oppose each other's standards, and some people even don't want to participate. The language/dialect that diq.wikipedia and Wp/kiu write do not exist in reality. Memede Cewligij 20:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for these comments. The fact that there is an organisation which has made a standard language and which is generally accepted, changes a lot. That standard should be followed indeed. Does that organisation have "two standard languages" for each dialect, or is there only one standard languages for all dialects? SPQRobin 22:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

There are two standards for all dialects. One is created by Vate Group, based in Sweden. The other one is created by Zaza Language Institute, based in Frankfurt. Unfortunately, there are no standards for each dialects. Memede Cewligij 23:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Robin, the Vate-Standard is the mostly adopted one. The standard language of the "Zaza Language Institue" in Frankfurt is only used by a minority of speakers, especially of the Zazaistian fraction. As I explained, the Standard Language of the "Vate Working Group" is used in official Newspapers like Azadiya Welat, Netkurd, Yeni Özgür Politika or in TV shows on Roj TV, also the Vate Publishing Company published more than 40 books and brings out a cultural magazine in the standardized language. To put it simply, it is the generally accepted standard. The Vate Group is engaged in cultural and linguistic issues. Indeed the Vate standard in ONE standard language, which includes all regional dialects, it was developed by more than 50 well-educated native speakers from all Kirmanckî speaking regions. I do not disappreciate the diq.wikipedia. If they want to use their standard language, than we tolerate this of course. I only except the others to tolerate the nationwide (!) Vate-Standards as well. That was the reason why Xosere and Dêrsimij asked me to found a Wiki in which the Vate Standard can be used without pursuing any policy. It is a big opportunity for the language.

So I ask for permission to use the standard language of Vate for the kiu.wikipedia. We think that two coexisting Wikis would be the best solution in order to help the language. Because no site will cooperate, if they would be forced to work together.

Thank You for paying attention, --Berxwedan 10:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Robin and other friends, we as the sysop from de Zazaki Wikipedia (diq) will give a statement soonly. Please wait for that. With best regards, Asmên, 2.8.2008, 13:41(CET)

We don’t want devaluate the work of diq-wikipedia because they do a very good job for keeping our language alive. But we are planing to present with the new wikipedia kiu the almost complete standardized form of Kirmanckî what is irrecoverable of the development of this language. Unfortunaly the responsible people of the Institute of Zazaki and also of diq-Wikipedia couldn’t fullfile the task of standardization of Kirmanckî. In fact their form of standardization changes its form day by day. Because of this abstrusely situation we see a need to find a clear way for it. So we want to establish at wikipedia the standard-language of Kirmancki which is also used by all Kirmanc/Zaza intelectualls.--Baran Ruciyar 11:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Please note that it's really not a good idea to start a kiu.wikipedia, just because diq.wikipedia is used by others. Instead the users who are currently working on diq.wikipedia should follow the standard of the most accepted institute (that is Vate, apparently). And also please note that I am not here to decide about this issue, so I'd like that now only the users of diq.wikipedia may give their statement. Apart from that, please do not answer anymore, because like I said, I'm not here to decide. When I know the point of view of diq.wikipedia, I'll open a page at Meta (the right place) to handle this issue. Thank you, SPQRobin 13:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Statement of diq.wikipedia users

Dear Robin,

According to our conflict our friend Memede Cewligij reacts a little emotional, because he feels personally attacked and perverts here the truth a bit.

In fact, there are more than two main dialects in Zazaki. It is divided into Northern, Central and Southern Zazaki, and several other local dialects. (The German iranist "Ludwig Paul" has written it in his dissertation.)

But also Berxwedan’s views on the membership of our language are not based on a scientific basis and are only political.

It is not true that “Zaza” is a foreign name, it is the most common self-designation and that the majority of them take to be Kurds. Yes, many young people know themselves also as Turk or Kurd but our authentical older people don’t accept that. And there is no doubt; Zazaki is scientifically a separate language with its own grammar and its own dialects.

The so-called “Zazaist” fraction has since in the middle of the 80ies a periodical tradition. There have been ‘Ayre’ and ‘Piya’ at the beginning, thereafter came "Raştiye, Ware, Kormışkan, Tija Sodıri, Pir, ZazaPress, Dersim, Işkın, Munzur Haber" (newspaper) and still coming out Zaza-magazines like "Çıme, Zazaki, Miraz, venguvaj" and "Vejiyaisê Tiji" (publishing house in Istanbul) has already brought out over 30 books in Zazaki and there are several other books brought out who write in our orthography tradition, which solidified at the beginning of the 90ies by working with linguists like "C.M. Jacobson" and intellectuals together. Although both sides follow an own standard we in diq didn’t prevent the contributors to write in their own dialect. Moreover the intelligibility of the vernaculars was more important.

Despite political views and differences between us, we want to let personal issues aside and focus on the language.

Until now, there are two established groups on the standardization of the language, each with a different standard.

What we are doing is roughly in the Norwegian, with "Bokmål" and "Nynorsk". In comparison, as in the Norwegian "Bokmål" and "Nynorsk", there are also two fractions of standardization; no dialects distinguish themselves politically, such as we.

Contradictions are first of all, Berxwedan, I (Mirzali), Asmên and Belekvor are not interested in to divide us, regionally. But a different orthography, content of articles, political views and especially the mentality of our people of both groups would be crucial in this case.

Therefore we propose a neutral tolerated principle of coexistence, with two Wikipedias on Zazaki. We think a co-existence, where everyone pursues his work and tolerate the others and let them in peace and accept them, not mutually exclusive to disapprove or to discredit each other, would be the best diplomatic solution.

I think we all have a common interest to promote our language. Otherwise it would be only counterproductive and, above all, extremely destructive for our language.

We (Berxwedan, I (Mirzali), Asmên and Belekvor) are native speakers. Best regards! –-Mirzali 19:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC) and Asmen (Sysops of diq.wikipedia)

Of course there are or could be more dialects; but I agree with Berxwedan that you must focus on a standard language instead of dialects if the language must survive. Therefore I have one simple and last question: Are you on diq.wikipedia using a standard language, not made by yourselves? And btw, the option of a separate wiki for the other fraction/group is not possible. SPQRobin 22:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I am the proposer and one of the sysops of the diq.wikipedia. This statement--by other diq.wikipedia sysops--issued without my consent. Since I find it unnecessary to have two separate standards, both fractions are trying to push me out. I agree with SPQRobin that two standards should not be the way to go. I also think that we should not write in languages that does not exist--or not spoken. Memede Cewligij 17:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

One more point, I am not against a standard language. I actually support this idea. However, there is not one single standard language that all sides agree. For that reason, I think it is not appropriate to force speakers to write in a certain way. Memede Cewligij 00:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

But it is needed to resolve this situation. The code "kiu" really is intended for the dialect, and not just the other group of people... SPQRobin 08:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you. And "diq" code should be intended for the dialect too. There isn't one single accepted standard language at this time. So, it wouldn't be practical to impose a standard language that only a few can write.

They didn't answer your last question. Let me I answer that question since I am the proposer and one of the sysops of diq.wikipedia. Yes, diq.wikipedia is using a standard language, which is made by sysops Asmen and Mirzali. I oppose to their standards, but so far they don't want to back down. Memede Cewligij 21:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I was waiting on an answer before I would open a request for comment at Meta. I don't get an answer from them, and you say they use their own standard language. So, I'll start a request for comments; (they can still answer on the question, of course). SPQRobin 21:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear Robin,

I think, unlike our friend Memede Cewligij, we should put aside our personal insults, frustrations, whatever it is. Instead, we should proceed diplomatically and bring the facts in mind.

We (Asmên and me [Mirzali]) have already explained the political and the scientific aspects above, so this needn’t be repeated once more.

Our friend Memede Çewligij transferred all the matter under a false effort to here. He also said, he won’t work with diq any more, but now suddenly he wants to enforce his Sysops rights? This is a contradictory action of him.

There is already past two and a half years and the site reached over 2800 articles and we have a good response so far. We shouldn’t only proceed from the Internet. Apart from disagreements and conflicts, but where there are no conflicts around the world. Our only disadvantage is that we don’t have an own land.

And the fact is also, the minority languages in Turkey were forbidden and still don't have a official statue and any cultural rights to preserve the language. So nobody can expect that the built standard language will be acknowledged at a short time without media and education right in the homeland.

Our request is, please don’t overthrow this project by any personal or political objections. Should now perish all our effort and work?

We denied and agreed on this matter and we want to encourage both wikis, since this is good for all our dialects and thus for the total language Zazaki as well.

By the way, our friend Memede Cewligij speaks neither kui nor diq, he is from central Zazaki area. Greetings!--Mirzali, Asmên, 22:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Although SPQRobin’s page is not an appropriate place to keep continue discussing this issue, I need to answer this last comment since it is primarily targeting me. Mr. Mirzali and Asmen, instead of keep attacking me and making this issue personal, why don’t you directly answer my arguments and the last question raised by SPQRobin. All the claims that you made against me doesn’t reflect the truth, and they are not relevant to our discussion. You both (as well as the other fraction) feel bitter about me simply because I don’t agree with you in this issue.

Let’s talk about the relevant issue here. There is not even one accepted standard language here. You both created a "standard language" according to your perspectives. However, there is not even one diq speaker that accepts your standard. You don’t have the right to impose anything on others, and people should have the right not to use your "standard language". Moreover, the diq code—which I do spoke—does represent the dialect. And both kiu and diq codes should be used for what it represents. I do support the idea of one single "standard language" that is approved and accepted by the whole Zaza community. We are far away from it, and it might not even happen. Memede Cewligij 07:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, I do not want any comment anymore. This is not the right place. Only a simple answer on my simple question is allowed. I created m:Requests for comments/Zazaki wikipedia. But please do not discuss there without an end, because there would be no solution, only endless discussions. Thank you, SPQRobin 10:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Wp/tcy

I have moved 'Wp/tcy' to 'Wp/tcy/ಮುಖ್ಯ ಪುಟ' as you said.

Can you please remove the following articles as their titles and contents don't make any sense in Tulu language.

1.Wp/tcy/ಐಪೊಕೆದಔ

2.Wp/tcy/ಚೊಮವಔ

3.Wp/tcy/ಠಎನನೆಗಔ

4.Wp/tcy/ಪಔಲಸು

5.Wp/tcy/ೠಇಕಇಪಎದಇಅ

6.Wp/tcy/ಅಌಉ

7.Wp/tcy/ಛಅನದಿವೇಎ

8.Wp/tcy/ಏಮೂಸಔ

9.Wp/tcy/ಕೇಪೋತೂತೂರಔ

10.Wp/tcy/ಲೆಮೀತ

Thanks --Bluestar 16:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Welcome

Hi, SPQRobin!. Thank you very mcuh for the Welcome. Even now, more than one and a half years in Wikipedia, it is always a pleasure to receive a welcome. Regards, --Lucien leGrey ( in | m | es ) 17:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Incubator:Requests for starting a test

Wat is dit voor iets? -Markvondeegel 14:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Gewoon, een pagina waar je moet aanvragen om een test te starten. Dit bespaart ons heel veel werk. SPQRobin 17:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Wiktionary Masry

why there is no test wiki template in the main page of Egyptian arabic wiktionary? thanks--Ramsis II 04:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

There is one, see Wp/arz. --MF-W {a, b} 16:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

we have also another test project, beside the wikipedia. it is the test wikitionary,please seeMasry Wiktionary thanks--Ramsis II 17:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I fixed it. There is no reason: it was just not yet done :-) SPQRobin 22:01, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

many thanks--92.80.108.208 04:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

pt translation

Hello, Robin!

Thank you for the welcome! Yes, I've been working on Port<->Eng translations on Meta, but I can help here, as well! I noticed there are almost no pages in portuguese here on Incubator, so I'll translate at least the basic ones really soon!

See you!

Carla404 17:10, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Translating

Of course, you first turn it on and then intefaz here, it helps pidire Lin Linao. Greetings --Clerc 15:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC) (My English is poor)

Ya gracias, así estoy más comoda. ¿Cuando crees que la wikipedia en mapudungun pueda salir del incubador? --Clerc 00:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Gracias por el aviso, ¿Ya no necesitamos hablantes nativos? --Clerc 18:21, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Muchisimas gracias, espero no ser molesta pero solo por curiosidad, ¿Podría decirme en que cambiaron la política? Es solo para esdtar informada. --Clerc 22:45, 23 August 2008 (UTC) Ah, me mandas un URL más especifico sobre lo de las lenguas?

Ahora si, necesitaba las nuevas politicas pero estoy bien. Me has sido de mucha ayuda, al parecer el mapudungun tiene varias posibilidades de ser elegido, colaborare con la página de Meta y buscare hablantes nativos (Ademas de traducir la intefaz y crear articulos en el incubador, claro =) ) --Clerc 00:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Reg: Wp/kok

Hi, Thanks for your message. I apologise for not replying earlier as I just logged in to Incubator today. I would have made a request for a full fledged Konkani wikipedia a long time back , but the poor response so far has dissapointed me. At the time the Konkani Wikipedia was requested the creator probably was not aware of the difference between the macrolanguage and the ILs. In fact I was confused about it for a long time and only recently I have made corrections and new entries to the English wikipedia to clarify the same. The Konkani language wikipedia should use the code "gom" not kok or knn. This is the relevant article on the English Wikipedia: en:Konkani (macrolanguage) that explains the difference. Please let me know if you need any more clarifications. Thanks again. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 07:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

One more thing: Do you want me to move all the wp/kok/* files to wp/gom/* ? --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 07:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your reply. I will move the main page as you have said. However the script bit is a bit tricky. Devanagiri is the official script but not numerically the most popular. Does multiple scripts lead to a problem? I will have to take the other editors into confidence before I transliterate all articles to a common script. I will accept your decision in this matter as final.--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 14:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. If it is going to create problems we'd better stick to one script. I'll let the other editors know. Just give me a week or so so that I can contact other editors and transliterate all articles to the Devanagari script. In the meantime , is there anything else that I should do?--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Welcome note

Thank you for your Welcome note. MMXX (Talk) 07:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Dank u wel voor uw welkom pagina (if this is correct Dutch)

Hello SPQRobin,

Many thanks for your welcome note.

No problem. The sentence is almost correct; Dank u wel voor uw welkomstbericht or something. Greetings, SPQRobin 13:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Jues

Hello SPQRobin,

This is the Judaeo-Spanish language also called Ladino. I took permission for opening this page. Please see here: Wikimedia Judaeo-Spanish Wiktionary

Actually, I am not hundred per cent sure, what to do and how about regulations, but I have done my best so far. The language code is "lad" but I want to open it with the name "jues" because the language's real name is not Ladino, and Ladino signifies another thing. To call the language "Ladino" is a popular misconception and the natives almost never call it that way. And in the coming weeks, I also plan to request for the change of the code.

As for all practical purposes, the language is called "Judaeo-Spanish" (Judeo-Español). So, can it be opened with "jues"? If not, what can be done for changing the code?

Thank you very much in advance, --Universal Life 10:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

pontic wiki

hello SPQRobin, the pontic wiki is too close to approved, Ι saw that you have done a lot of edits there. We want to do some more edits for 2-3 months to create the pnt.wikipedia.org Dont warry doesnt need to know this language you can edit the pictures or images or anything else you want to edit. Greeting from "pontic wikipedia the free encyclopedia (Την Ποντιακήν βικιπαίδειαν τη 'λευθερέσα εγκυκλοπαίδειαν)--Consta 10:40, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Prefix

Please use the the prefix at the correct place, so for a template this is Template:Wt/lad/Name (like a category, Category:Wt/lad/Name). All other pages must be Wt/lad/Name or Wt/lad/Namespace:Name. Thank you for your understanding, SPQRobin 13:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much :)

--Universal Life 15:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

¿Puede borrar?

¿Usted puede borrar también Wt/lad/Xabblones? Como tengo ya "Category:Wt/lad/Xabblones" y eso es lo que quería. Wt/lad/Xabblones es demasía. Muchas gracias :)

Con respeto. --Universal Life 12:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. You can also put {{delete}} on the page, that's easier. SPQRobin 14:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much :) --Universal Life 16:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

sv-vrm

OK but I have not created this Wiki so, who did it? And why haven't you do this earlier? --Chabi 14:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

¿Ya lo has trasladado? --Chabi 15:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you remember a template of Europe that was there? How was the code to do that template that opens and closes? --Chabi 15:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello, Robin. This is just to thank for your welcome message. Merci bien par votre accueil ! ºRYueli'o 19:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Need help...

Can you please modify Wp/tcy/NUMBEROFARTICLES template so that it displays only the number of articles in the Wp/tcy category. Presently it is displaying [number of articles in Wp/tcy + number of subcategories in Wp/tcy] --Bluestar 10:19, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Then you should update it manually. Currently the PAGESINCATEGORY magic word acts a bit wrongly, see bug 14237. SPQRobin 15:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Llanito

Hi, please don't vandalise that page. It doesn't have to be an ISO code (Burmese) wasn't the right ISO but it got made still. Thanks a lot. --AnonyLog 20:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The Burmese wikipedia was created before the new language policy. Now, only Wikiprojects with VALID codes are allowed. Do you know RaviC? I'm getting a strange feeling about it... --Ooswesthoesbes 05:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

No, I dont - I just saw the language in the incubator. Why would I know that person? --AnonyLog 06:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Just suspecting. --Ooswesthoesbes 14:31, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Complaint

Dear Robin,

I (Mirzali) and Asmen are two sysops of the diq.wikipedia. We have been blocked from our friend Xosere. (He is the third sysop.)

See below:

- (Block log); 12:50. . Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) blocked "Asmen (werênayış | iştıraki)" with an expiry time of 3 days

- (Block log); 12:44. . Xosere (werênayış | iştıraki) blocked "Mirzali (werênayış | iştıraki)" with an expiry time of 3 days

Although the m:Requests for comments/Zazaki wikipedia have not yet been determined, he already has the whole control over the page and changes everything constantly. It is unfair to us and he violates the rules of wiki. He should change everything back, otherwise he should removed from his sysop position. Please help us in this important matter. Greetings! --Mirzali 13:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

How should I help you? I have not the rights to do something on that wiki. Ask for help on e.g. Meta. SPQRobin 14:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for reminding me... :) Polar 14:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Alabama

See: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Alabama#Arguments_against

There are problems. Do you speak Alabama to help in project?

--Ulohnanne 16:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hallo!

^ :) Nog iets intersants gebeurt dat ik moet weten? :P --Ooswesthoesbes 13:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Euh, ni da'k mij herinner, nee :-) Momenteel is't alleen wp/arz dat een bugzilla-aanvraag heeft. D'r worden ni zoveel nieuwe Wikipedia's meer gemaakt (door die strenge regels van de langcom). SPQRobin 14:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Zo gaat dat ja :) --Ooswesthoesbes 14:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Over: Hoogtallig artikelen aanmaken

Verklaar nader... --Ooswesthoesbes 15:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Undo revision 244524 by Ooswesthoesbes (Talk)

Het momentele systeem is onpraktisch. Je moet een miljoen keer klikken om bij de hoofdpagina te komen. Mij lijkt dat de hoofdpagina meer in bruik is als die overbodige pagina... Die valt trouwens nog stedds te bereiken via klik op wk/akz in wp/akz/Láhwa iñfakopli. --Ooswesthoesbes 07:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Dat kan zijn maar het systeem is nodig om een soep zoals vroeger te vermijden. Anders maakt iedereen maar een project van een taal die hij zelf heeft uitgevonden. SPQRobin 15:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Je begrijpt me niet helemaal volgens mij... Het staat er nog steeds, alleen is het nu voor het test project een miljoen keer optimaler. Ik ga binnenkort maar eens op iedere pagina een linkje naar de hoofdpagina (laten) plakken. Zijn er drek ook meer bewerkingen :) --Ooswesthoesbes 04:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you SPQRobin --Ramsis II 18:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for remembrance SPQRobin! I already added the prefixes in the article titles at Test-wp/kiu --Mirzali 05:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Dear SPQRobin, you said I should add the prefix "Wp/kiu" and not "Test-wp/kiu" to the article titles. Why that? My started project is Test-wp/kiu and not Wp/kiu (This one is from the Vate group). Greetings! --Mirzali 10:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
    • The real test for Kirmanjki project is Wp/kiu/Pela Seri. While the other group (from "Vate") has also a separate test form, but they didn’t make the request to open the wp.kiu. Apart from that, our form is written in the original language and not like the others in a so-called standard language of Zazaki. By the way, the request for a standard form has been already rejected by language subcommittee. Greetings! --Mirzali 07:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wp/diq and Wp/kiu

Dear SPQRobin,

that is not fair! We (Asmen, Belekvor and me (Mirzali)) were distributed from wp/diq by Xosere, due to the fact that we would write in a standard form of Zazaki. Subsequently, I made a request for Standard Zazaki, but that has been rejected.

Well, now we have a request for Kirmanjki, that is already verified as eligible. But the Vate (Pro-Kurdish) group also tries to fill the wp/KIU with another test form, although they didn’t apply for this.

We are basically disputed about this and have no more contact with the others. We sincerely hope that our test will be accepted for wp/KIU. We had so much trouble and I have already put the system messages in favor and I'll still write them to an end. I ask you for it very much, please don’t destroy all this work.

Please remember that Zazaki (DIQ and KIU) is not a Kurdish dialect and the Pro-Kurdisch group here is definitely out of place. Because they see our language as a dialect of Kurdish language and thus they try to bring it closer to Kurdish, where they write with the Kurdish alphabet and mix numerous Kurdish words, even for these exist original Zazaish words. I assure you, our form is written in the original language and not like the others in a so-called standard language of Kirmanjki. So please, don’t move and delete the properly planned test form for the Kirmanjki project. Greetings! --Mirzali 19:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

hi!

Hey! I really enjoy translating, so it's no problem ;-) I've started the spanish translations because no one else had, but yes, they need to be reviewed. They're comprehensible, but grammar is probably not good. See you!! :-)

Coptic letters

• Could the Coptic letters font be added to writing on the project to eleminate the need to use the Greek letters in its place , which are not quite correct. Ghaly 08:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean below the edit form, MediaWiki:Edittools? SPQRobin 10:39, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes please, Thanks--Ramsis II 22:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

is there any news ?--Ramsis II 15:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was forgotten. Could you please give me the Coptic letters here so I know what I should add? Sorry for the delay. SPQRobin 18:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank You for your reply, Please find here [6] Unicode Coptic letters chart. I hope that would help.Thank you--Ramsis II 20:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Done, if you clear your cache, you should now see an option for Coptic in the list. SPQRobin 17:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry to keep bothering you SPQRobin, I have already cleared my cache and delteted my browsing hisotory but still I can't see coptic letters in the list.Please verify.Many thanks--Ramsis II 16:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed the same problem. I don't see what's wrong... I hope I can fix it. SPQRobin 00:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It does work for me now. (Ramsis II, you have to choose Coptic from the drop down menu): ⲀⲂⲄ⳨⳩⳪ --::Slomox:: >< 17:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Vraagke

Hoi,

Even een vraagke voordat ik straks helemaal de fout in ga als nieuwe gebruiker in deze gemeenschap.

Ik wou me hier vooral met onderhoud bezig houden. Ik ben gisteren begonnen met repareren van dubbele redirects, verwelkomen nieuwe gebruikers en wil dit steeds meer gaan doen. Maar zijn er speciale dingen waarmee ik rekening moet houden?

Groetjes, Sterkebaktalk 08:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Hallo, leuk om te zien dat je meehelpt! Misschien handig voor te weten: enkele "regels" staan op Incubator:Policy/nl. Het belangrijkste daarvan is dat elk project een correcte ISO 639-code moet hebben (door het beleid van de LangCom). Om de controle daarvoor te vergemakkelijken, heb ik het sjabloon {{test wiki}} gemaakt voor op de pagina "Wx/xx". De blacklist van mogelijk verkeerde ISO-codes staat op I:LOUP. En over het verwelkomen van gebruikers, je kan vertalingen gebruiken wanneer je weet dat die gebruiker die taal spreekt én als er een vertaling is (bv. {{Welcome|lang=es}} als hij es-N heeft aangegeven). En ik heb nog een vraagske: zeggen jullie ginder "vraagke" of "vraagje"? Want "vraagke" klinkt zo raar (wij zeggen hier "vraagske"). Groeten, SPQRobin 18:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mijn vriendin kwam met een dialect vanaf de veluwe. Veel woorden die we gebruiken is eigenlijk een samensmelting tussen het Betuws en Veluws dialect. :) Sterkebaktalk 21:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mailinglist

Hoi,

Zal ik vandaag of morgen even een berichtje plaatsen op alle overlegpagina's van active gebruikers? Of komen alle gebruikers langs het berichtje?

Dan promoten we de lijst. Ik update zo even alle pagina's op meta.

Groet, Sterkebaktalk 20:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ik zal het gewoon in de sitenotice zetten, je hoeft geen bericht op alle overlegpagina's te plaatsen. SPQRobin 20:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Dat is ook een goed idee. En minder werk. :-) Sterkebaktalk 20:34, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Uus Äide

Hallo Robin, in juli hebben we gepraat over het logo voor stq: op jouw User_talk:SPQRobin/archive/2#Uus_.C3.84ide. Intussen heeft Heinz een nieuw ontwerp gemaakt, dat staat op stq:Bielde:Wikipedia-logo-stq.png. Zou je het nogeens willen bekijken en bij goedbevinden voor ons willen submitten? Groeten, --Pyt 08:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Er is toch al een aanvraag op bugzilla? Maar ik kan het nu niet vinden... SPQRobin 16:05, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Anglicisme?

Als u niet comfortabel bent met, comfortabel ben ik zeker! :) --Ooswesthoesbes 15:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Waar staat dat? In de survey? SPQRobin 15:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

List

Hoi,

Krijg jij ook steeds de emailtjes als iemand zich heeft aangemeld? Zo niet dan staat er nog ergens een instelling verkeerd.

Ik heb zojuist ons eerste spambericht verwijderd :S

Groetjes, 15:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, ik krijg ook zo'n e-mails :-) SPQRobin 16:20, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

welcome

Hi there thanks for making me feel welcome around here. I look forward to taking on new projects --Corruptcopper 21:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

deleted material --Ramsis II 20:11, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

You m'exceed…

Bonjour,

Try to edit/create a talk page, e. g. Template:Wp/ady/Lang-ar : « {{Expansion depth limit exceeded|en|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}}} » ? Co to jest ?… A soviet(ique) version of Mediawiki is used here, for the babies ?

Budelberger 15:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC) ().

Could you please explain your question/problem? Vous pouvez parler en français.. SPQRobin 15:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't you have this message (here and in Meta) (« {{Expansion depth limit exceeded|en|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}|{{Expansion depth limit exceeded}}}}) when clicking the link above ? --Budelberger 20:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC) ().

No. Can you perhaps create a screenshot? Greetings, SPQRobin 13:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to do ! Like this one ? --Budelberger 17:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ().

Yes, thank you. Another question: is it only on that page, or on all pages? (or in main namespace only) SPQRobin 19:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Once in Meta (only yesterday, for the first and last time), and here in the Incubator, for the first time two days ago, and for each non-existent Talk page (Mainspace, templates, categories) ; BUT : I have this message, but nothing else : I can create/edit the page without problems (see my « contributions » for two days). Never seen before, in none Wiki (265…). Regards. --Budelberger 22:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC) ().

I have hidden MediaWiki:Talkpagetext, so please take a look if it's still displaying. SPQRobin 13:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Pareil ! il faut chercher autre chose… Cette récursivité ? --Budelberger 00:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC) ().

Sorry to keep asking, but does it display now? I have hidden just a part. SPQRobin 15:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

(My account on Meta is blocked by these Ugly Faces – I'm a Master in divination : see here – Do you have also an ugly face ?…) Sorry… C'est pareil ! même message d'erreur… le bug is well hidden ! --Budelberger 17:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC) () (P.-S. : Is my account blocked on Incubator ?… Only tomorrow. Excellencies don't like clever personalities.).

Well, everyone should follow the rules. Rules are needed to keep everything under control, even though I do not like those rules. Anyway, I'd say: try Firefox on your computer and maybe you won't see the bug anymore. Your account will not be blocked here, only if you do something "wrong" here. SPQRobin 17:40, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The bug was not present four days ago – something has changed in the software, not in my computer – and I don't want to download or use « Firefox » ; I have reported this bug to you, because you are (were ?) a sympathetic user, but if you are not insterested, because of your friendship with the Uglies, I stop here. --Budelberger 18:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC) (). (And if You or Friends do something "wrong" here and there ?… Ha ! ha !)

Friendship with the Uglies? You seem to have a very good fantasy. And I just wanted to know if the bug depends on the browser. Anyway, I can't help you, so if you want, you can submit the bug at Bugzilla. SPQRobin 18:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

En IP?

Kunen we niet iets van "welkomIP" maken? Daarop staat dan de voordeel van het inloggen, want anders blijft het zo'n IP-boel hier. -Markvondeegel 13:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Een echte goede manier hiervoor is er niet in MediaWiki, maar ik kan wel MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning wat aanpassen. SPQRobin 15:13, 14 December 2008 (UTC)