Talk:Wp/cop/ⲙⲉⲧⲟⲩⲣⲟ ⲉⲧⲧⲟⲙⲓ

What names should we use for the parts of UK and Ireland?

• Ireland - ⲧⲉⲛⲉⲣⲉ (land of Eire), ⲧⲉⲛⲉⲣⲟⲩ (the same but with Old Scottish Eiru, if we would try to reconstruct possible name Copts would give to it in Middle Ages), ⲓⲟⲩⲉⲣⲛⲓⲁ (from Ancient Greek and Latin names), ⲓⲣⲗⲁⲛⲧⲓⲁ (English name)?
• Wales - ⲕⲉⲙⲣⲓ or ⲧⲉⲛⲕⲓⲙⲣⲱ (native name of Wales (Cymru)), ⲟⲩⲁⲗⲓⲁ (Greek name), ⲟⲩⲉⲗⲥ (English name)
• Scotland - ⲧⲉⲛⲥⲕⲟⲧ (land of Scots), ⲥⲕⲱⲧⲓⲁ, ⲁⲗⲡⲁ (Alba, native name of Scotland), ⲧⲉⲛⲁⲗⲡⲁ (same as previous), ⲥⲕⲟⲧⲗⲁⲛⲧ (English name)?

--ⲡⲁⲣⲇⲁ (talk) 00:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

If Copts would have given names to these lands in the Middle Ages, I think it would be the following: ⲓⲟⲩⲉⲣⲛⲓⲁ for Ireland (The Greek ⲓⲟⲩⲉⲣⲛⲓⲁ ultimately comes from the same Celtic source as the Irish Eire)

Wales would probably be ⲕⲁⲙⲃⲣⲓⲁ. The Greek ⲟⲩⲁⲗⲓⲁ looks like a rather new formation based on the English name. I don't think Ancient Greeks had a name for Wales, but I could imagine that in the Middle Ages they used ⲕⲁⲙⲃⲣⲓⲁ if needed (the name is from Latin Cambria, itself from Celtic and thus related to the Welsh Cymru).

In antiquity, Scotland would probably have been ⲕⲁⲗⲏⲇⲟⲛⲓⲁ (the Greeks took it from Latin Caledonia). Although, especially later, it could also have been ⲥⲕⲱⲧⲓⲁ. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I like ⲓⲟⲩⲉⲣⲛⲓⲁ and ⲕⲁⲙⲃⲣⲓⲁ. But I'm not sure about whether we should take ⲕⲁⲗⲏⲇⲟⲛⲓⲁ or ⲥⲕⲱⲧⲓⲁ. Maybe ⲥⲕⲱⲧⲓⲁ is better. I will move the article about Ireland to ⲓⲟⲩⲉⲣⲛⲓⲁ. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 12:21, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

The problem with ⲕⲁⲙⲃⲣⲓⲁ is that we have other places with the same Celtic root (like Cumbria (which is gonna be ⲕⲟⲩⲙⲡⲣⲓⲁ i guess) or Cornwall). My point is that we're surely constructing these names from scratch, so we could easily take native names of countries in respect of these native names (like it's done in Esperanto for example, where Wales is Kimrio). But if this similarity of names isn't a problem for you, then i'm ok with ⲕⲁⲙⲃⲣⲓⲁ (which is kinda native too). --ⲡⲁⲣⲇⲁ (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't see a problem here, because there will always be toponyms which come from the same root. It is true that we construct names, but I still think that it is different in Esperanto. Esperanto was a totally invented language, whereas Coptic has a tradition which we could stick too. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi, you seem to have been bother by a country spammer (I took the liberty to block him. If unjust, please tell me). His contributions can be found here. Pages like Wp/cop/ⲓⲩⲛⲁⲓⲧⲉⲇ ⲁⲣⲁⲃ ⲉⲙⲓⲣⲁⲧⲉⲥ look like pure nonsense to me (especially the "iunaited" part). Is anything worth being kept, or shall I delete everything? --OWTB (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I see you have already taken care of the page names. However, the contents of the pages is still with the incorrect name. --OWTB (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

When I wanted to block him, you blocked him just a minute ago. So thanks. However, we generally don't delete his pages, we just rename them. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 19:47, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

Alright, make sure all pages are updated and checked for grammar and spelling. Pages like these are generally not helpful. For the approval of the wiki, the Language Commitee does not only look at the activity or number of pages, but also at the quality of the pages (length etc.), so the need to be expanded anyway. --OWTB (talk) 08:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we are aware of it. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2018 (UTC)