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ⲭⲉⲣⲉ Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ. Ⲉⲑⲃⲉ ⲟⲩ ⲁⲕ(ⲣⲉ?)ϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲙ̀ⲡϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲙ̀ⲫⲓⲟⲙ? ϯⲉⲣⲙⲏⲛⲓⲁ̀ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲡⲉ(ⲕ)ⲣⲁⲛ ⲡⲉ mry-stẖ? -AB

ⲛⲁϥⲗⲓ ⲁⲃ, ⲕⲥⲟⲩⲱⲛ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲗⲉⲙⲫⲓⲁⲙ? ϯϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲛϯϭⲓⲛϣⲉϫⲓ `ⲙⲫⲓⲁⲙ ϫⲉ ⲛⲉϥⲗⲫⲓⲁⲙ ⲛⲙⲡⲉϥⲗⲉⲥ ϩⲁϩⲁϩⲁ. ⲁϩⲁ, ⲧⲙⲏⲛⲁ `ⲛⲧⲉ ⲡⲁⲗⲉⲛ ⲡⲉ tw-y mry-stẖ ϫⲉ ϯϣⲉⲙϣⲓ `ⲛⲥⲏⲧ ⲁⲩⲱ ϯⲙⲁⲥϯ `ⲛϩⲱⲗ ⲉⲧⲉ ⲫⲁⲓ ⲡⲉ ⲟⲩϩⲁⲗⲏⲧ `ⲛⲁⲫⲩⲏⲥ. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 17:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Ⲭⲉⲣⲉ Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ, ⲙ̀ⲡⲁϯⲥⲱⲟⲩⲛ ⲙ̀ⲡϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲙ̀ⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲁⲗⲗⲁ ϯⲛⲟⲩ ϯⲥⲱⲟⲩⲛ ⲙ̀ⲡϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲙ̀ⲡⲉⲙϩⲓⲧ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲙⲁⲣⲏⲥ. Ⲕϣⲟⲡ ϧⲉⲛ ⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲓⲉ ⲛ̀ⲑⲟⲕ ⲟⲩⲣⲉⲙⲙ̀ⲫⲓⲟⲙ? Ⲉⲑⲃⲉ ⲟⲩ ⲭⲙⲉⲓ ⲛ̀ⲟⲩⲁⲓ ⲉ̀ⲃⲟⲗ ϧⲉⲛ ⲛⲓⲛⲟⲩϯ ⲛ̀ⲁⲡⲁⲥ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲭⲙⲟⲥϯ ⲛ̀ⲕⲉⲟⲩⲁⲓ? Ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲟⲛ, ⲟⲩ ⲡⲉ ϯⲉⲣⲙⲏⲛⲓⲁ̀ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲛⲓⲥⲁϫⲓ ϫⲉ "ⲟⲩϩⲁⲗⲏⲧ `ⲛⲁⲫⲩⲏⲥ"? - AB

ⲁⲕⲑⲱⲛ Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ?

Ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ ⲀⲂ, ⲁϩⲁ, ⲁⲛⲟⲕ ⲡⲉ ⲣⲉⲙⲫⲓⲟⲙ. ϯⲥⲱⲟⲩⲛ ϫⲉ ⲡⲓⲛⲟⲩϯ `ⲛⲣⲉⲙⲫⲙⲁ `ⲙⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲡⲉ ⲥⲟⲩⲕ ⲁⲗⲗⲁ ϯⲙⲉⲛⲣⲉ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉϥϫⲟⲕϫⲉⲕ (الإستفزاز) ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲥⲏⲧ ⲡⲉ ⲟⲩⲛⲟⲩϯ `ⲛⲣⲉϥϫⲟⲕϫⲉⲕ ϩⲁϩⲁϩⲁ. ⲟⲩⲁⲓ ⲟⲩⲁⲓ ⲙⲉⲛⲣⲉ ϩⲱⲣ ⲁⲗⲗⲁ ⲉⲣⲟⲓ, ϩⲱⲣ ⲡⲉ ⲟⲩϩⲁⲗⲏⲧ `ⲛⲁⲫⲩⲏⲥ ⲓⲁⲛⲓ (طير غبي). Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Ⲙⲓⲟⲕ Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ. Ⲛⲁⲛⲉⲥ. Ⲁϥⲑⲱⲛ ⲡⲓⲙⲁ ⲉ̀ⲧⲁϥϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲛ̀ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ? - AB
`ⲛϣⲟⲣⲡ ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ϧⲉⲛϯⲉⲕⲕⲗⲏⲥⲓⲁ ⲛⲉⲙϧⲉⲛ ⲡⲓⲙⲁⲛⲥⲱⲟⲩⲛ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲡⲁⲛⲧⲱⲥ ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲛϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲛⲉⲙⲛⲁϫⲱⲙ `ⲙⲙⲓⲛ `ⲙⲙⲟⲓ. ⲟⲩⲟϩ `ⲛⲑⲟⲕ, ⲉⲑⲃⲉ ⲟⲩ ⲁⲕϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ? Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Ⲁⲓⲉⲣϩⲏⲧⲥ ⲛ̀ϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲙ̀ⲙⲁⲩⲁⲧ ⲓⲥϫⲉⲛ ⲛⲁⲩ ⲓ︦ⲃ︦ϯ ⲛ̀ⲣⲟⲙⲡⲓ. Ⲗⲟⲓⲡⲟⲛ ⲁⲓϣⲉ ⲛⲏⲓ ⲉ̀ⲡⲓⲙⲁ ⲛ̀ϯⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ Ⲟⲝϥⲟⲣⲇ ⲛ̀ⲣⲟⲙⲡⲓ ⲃ︦ϯ ⲛ̀ⲧⲁϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ⲛⲓⲧⲱⲧⲉⲣ ⲧⲏⲣⲟⲩ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ. Ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲛ̀ⲑⲙⲏϯ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲉⲧⲟⲥⲕ (ⲉ̀ⲧⲉ ⲛⲁⲓ ⲛⲉ "Middle and Late Egyptian"). Ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲟⲛ ⲛ̀ϩⲁⲛⲟⲩⲟⲛ ⲛ̀ⲛⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲡⲓⲧⲱⲧⲉⲣ ⲛ̀(ⲁⲓ)ⲕⲩⲡⲧⲁⲓⲟⲛ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ. Ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲛ̀ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ϩⲓⲛⲁ ⲛ̀ⲧⲁⲕⲁϯ ⲛ̀ϯⲓⲥⲧⲟⲣⲓⲁ ⲛⲉⲙ ϯⲡⲟⲗⲏⲧⲓⲁ̀ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲡⲁⲕⲁϩⲓ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲁϣⲗⲟⲗ. Ⲁϣ ⲙ̀ⲙⲁ ⲛ̀ϯⲥⲃⲱ ⲡⲉⲧⲁⲕϣⲉ ⲛⲁⲕ ⲉ̀ⲣⲟϥ ⲉ̀ϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲫⲓⲟⲙ? Ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲁϣ ⲛ̀ϫⲱⲙ ⲛⲉⲧⲁⲕⲱϣ ⲙ̀ⲙⲱⲟⲩ ⲉ̀ϯⲥⲃⲱ ⲙ̀ⲙⲟⲕ ⲛ̀ⲧⲁⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲑⲁⲓ? - AB

ⲗⲓⲗⲁⲥⲁϥ ⲙⲙⲟⲛ ϫⲱⲙ ⲉⲛⲁⲛⲉϥ ⲉϯϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ `ⲛⲣⲉⲙⲫⲓⲁⲙ. `ⲛϣⲟⲣⲡ ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ `ⲛⲧⲉ ⲡⲉⲙϩⲓⲧ ⲗⲟⲓⲡⲟⲛ ⲁⲓⲱϣ `ⲛⲟⲩϫⲱⲙ `ⲛⲣⲉⲙⲛⲅⲉⲣⲙⲁⲛⲓⲁ ⲉⲛⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ `ⲛⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲧⲏⲣⲟⲩ. ⲣⲉⲛϥ (Koptische Dialektgrammatik). ϧⲉⲛ ⲡⲁⲓϫⲱⲙ ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ⲟⲩⲙⲏϣ `ⲛϫⲓⲛⲧⲁⲟⲩⲟ ⲉϫⲉⲛ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲫⲓⲁⲙ. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Ⲛⲟϥⲣⲓ Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ. Ⲥⲉ, ϧⲉⲛ ⲟⲩⲁⲧϯⲙⲁϯ (= "unfortunately") ⲙ̀ⲙⲟⲛ ⲟⲩⲙⲏϣ ⲛ̀ϫⲱⲙ ⲉ̀ϫⲉⲛ ϯϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲙ̀Ⲫⲓⲟⲙ. Ⲁⲓⲱϣ ⲛ̀ϯⲅⲣⲁⲙⲙⲁⲧⲓⲕⲏ Koptische Dialektgrammatik ⲁⲗⲗⲁ ⲟⲩⲕⲟⲩϫⲓ ⲉⲙⲁϣⲉ ⲧⲉ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ⲟⲩⲙⲏϣ ⲛ̀ϣⲱϥⲧ ⲛ̀ϧⲏⲧⲥ. Ϯⲙⲉⲩⲓ̀ ϫⲉ ⲛⲁⲛⲉ ϯⲅⲣⲁⲙⲙⲁⲧⲓⲕⲏ ϫⲉ Éléments de grammaire dialectale copte (ⲉ̀ⲧⲁϥⲥϧⲁⲓ ⲙ̀ⲙⲟⲥ ⲛ̀ϫⲉ Marius Chaine ϧⲉⲛ ϯⲣⲟⲙⲡⲓ 1933 ⲙ̀Ⲡⲭ︦ⲥ︦) ⲉ̀ϩⲟⲧⲉ ⲉ̀ⲣⲟⲥ. Ⲡⲁⲓϫⲱⲙ ⲟⲩⲅⲣⲁⲙⲙⲁⲧⲓⲕⲏ ⲧⲉ ⲛ̀ⲧⲉ ⲛⲓϫⲓⲛⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲙ̀Ⲡⲉⲙϩⲓⲧ ⲛⲉⲙ Ⲙⲁⲣⲏⲥ ⲛⲉⲙ Ϣⲙⲓⲛ ⲛⲉⲙ Ⲫⲓⲟⲙ. Ⲙⲁⲧⲁⲙⲟⲓ ϫⲉ ⲉⲑⲃⲉ ⲟⲩ ⲁⲕϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ ⲛ̀ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲛ̀ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ? Ⲟⲩⲟϩ ϣⲁϥⲥⲁϫⲓ ϧⲉⲛ ϯⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲛ̀ⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲛⲉⲙ ϩⲁⲛⲕⲉⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ ϧⲉⲛ Ⲫⲓⲟⲙ? - AB
ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ϫⲉ ⲁⲛⲟⲕ ⲡⲉ ⲙⲟϩⲧⲁⲙ ϧⲉⲛϩⲁⲛⲁⲥⲡⲓ. ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ϣϫⲟⲙ `ⲙⲙⲟⲓ ⲉⲥⲁϫⲓ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲛⲉⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲡⲉⲙϩⲓⲧ. `ⲛⲑⲟⲕ ⲡⲉ ⲕⲩⲡⲧⲁⲓⲟⲛ ⲓⲉ ⲙⲟⲥⲗⲓⲙ? Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ.
Ⲛⲁⲛⲉ ⲡⲉⲕⲉ̀ϩⲟⲟⲩ, Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ. Ⲁ̀ⲛⲟⲕ ⲟⲩⲕⲩⲡⲧⲁⲓⲟⲥ ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲁ̀ⲛⲟⲕ ϩⲱ ϯⲣⲱⲟⲩϣ ϧⲁ (مهتم ب) ϩⲁⲛⲁⲥⲡⲓ ⲙⲁⲗⲓⲥⲧⲁ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ. Ⲛⲁⲓⲟϯ ⲉ̀ⲃⲟⲗ ϧⲉⲛ ϯⲃⲁⲕⲓ Ϣⲙⲓⲛ. Ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ϩⲁⲛⲟⲩⲟⲛ ⲉⲩϣⲟⲡ ϧⲉⲛ ϯⲡⲟⲗⲓⲥ Ⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲉ̀ϣⲁⲕⲥⲁϫⲓ ⲛⲉⲙⲱⲟⲩ ϧⲉⲛ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛ̀ⲭⲏⲙⲓ? P.S. I hope you don't mind but I think ⲁⲓϭⲓⲥⲃⲱ `ⲙϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ would be correct (not ⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ as it needs a determiner). Also, I think `ⲛⲑⲟⲕ ⲟⲩⲕⲩⲡⲧⲁⲓⲟⲥ ϣⲁⲛ ⲟⲩⲙⲟⲥⲗⲓⲙ? is better and more idiomatically Bohairic. I'd also be grateful for your comments on my Bohairic. - AB
ⲛⲁⲛⲉ ⲡⲉⲕϩⲟⲟⲩ, ϯⲙⲉⲩⲓ ϫⲉ ⲛⲁⲛⲉ ⲧⲉⲕⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ ⲙⲁϣⲁⲗⲗⲁ. ϧⲉⲛ ⲟⲩⲁⲧϯⲙⲁϯ `ⲙⲙⲟⲛ ϣⲫⲏⲣ ⲉϣⲁⲓⲥⲁϫⲓ `ⲙⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲫⲓⲟⲙ. ⲟⲩⲟϩ ⲟⲩⲟⲛ ϩⲁⲛⲟⲩⲟⲛ `ⲛⲕⲩⲡⲧⲁⲓⲟⲥ ϧⲉⲛ ⲫⲓⲟⲙ ⲉⲟⲩϣϫⲉⲙϫⲟⲙ `ⲛⲉϣ ⲛⲉⲙⲥϧⲏ ϯⲙⲉⲧⲣⲉⲙⲛⲭⲏⲙⲓ `ⲛⲧⲉ ⲡⲉⲙϩⲓⲧ. ⲁⲗⲗⲁ ⲛⲁⲛⲟⲕ ⲡⲉ ⲟⲩⲣⲉϥϫⲓⲛϣⲉⲙϣⲓ ⲁⲛ. ϯϣⲉⲡϩⲙⲟⲧ `ⲛⲧⲟⲧⲕ ⲉⲡⲉⲕⲧⲱⲓⲙ. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 16:51, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

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