Talk:Wp/cop/ⲁⲗⲉⲝⲉⲓ ⲛⲁⲃⲁⲗⲛⲓ

A word for corruption[edit source]

Is "ⲇⲓⲁⲫⲧⲟⲣⲁ" an adequate word for "corruption", or should we use something like "ϥⲁⲥⲁⲧ" instead? Also, it's funny how his home village's name Butyn' has changed to his main opponent's name in Coptic :) --Bloomaround (talk) 11:46, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both is OK for me, but I would change the words a bit. διαφθορά should yield ⲇⲓⲁⲫⲑⲟⲣⲁ and فساد should give ⲁⲗϥⲁⲥⲁⲧ, because Coptic usually borrows an Arabic word with its article. (There are some exceptions, but these are seldom).

However, there is a Coptic word meaning "corruption" (like in Arabic, it is connected to the meaning rotten): ⲡⲓⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ

So, I think in this case we don't need a borrowing from Greek or Arabic. But if you prefer Greek or Arabic, you could also use it. I mean, it also depends a bit on the personal style of the writer. Coptic texts have always shown that even in cases where there is a native word, some writers prefered a loanword (even though i personally try to avoid it) ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 12:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I just saw you need something to say "anticorruption". Here we could use ⲟⲩⲃⲉⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ, using ⲟⲩⲃⲉ- as a native variant of ⲁⲛⲧⲓ.

Is ⲇⲣⲓⲙⲁ Ancient Greek? I don't know the word, please forgive. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 12:32, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you, i didn't know there is a word for that. I usually prefer Coptic words to Greek or Arabic just like you. Basically i have to say "Anti-Corruption Foundation", but in Russian it's "Фонд борьбы с коррупцией", which can be literally translated as "Foundation of fighting with corruption". Should it be like ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲓ(ⲩ)ⲙⲁ ⲛⲧⲉ ϫⲓⲛⲙⲓϣⲓ ⲛⲉⲙ ⲡⲓⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ or it can be made up like in English – ⲟⲩⲃⲉⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲓ(ⲩ)ⲙⲁ? I'm not sure if Coptic allows the second option.

ⲓⲇⲣⲓⲙⲁ is ἵδρυμα in Ancient Greek, but i'm not sure if it should be ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲓⲙⲁ or ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲩⲙⲁ in Coptic. --Bloomaround (talk) 10:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, then I prefer ⲓⲇⲣⲩⲙⲁ here. What about ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲩⲙⲁ ⲉⲧⲟⲩⲃⲉⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ? ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 11:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I like the construction, but shouldn't it be ⲡⲓⲇⲣⲩⲙⲁ ⲉⲧⲟⲩⲃⲉⲡⲓⲗⲟϥⲗⲉϥ, with article? Or do we create it like a neologism where ⲟⲩⲃⲉ is the Coptic anti- in compounds, which would not require an article? Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 14:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it is used as anti-, it makes more sense without the article, because it doesn't mean "against the corruption", but rather "against-/anti-corruption". ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes, that makes sense. Ϯⲙⲉⲗⲗⲓⲥⲏⲧ (talk) 16:11, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]