Talk:Wy/hbs

Purpose of this page is to hold information about the test wiki for Wikivoyage HBS in the language spectrum of Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian, standard languages based on Shtokavian which form part of the pluricentric or macro-language commonly known as Serbo-Croatian or BCMS. It is sometimes referred to, colloquially, as naški ("our language") or dobardanski ("good day"). Page is not to host discussions on the language politics in the SEE region.

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FAQs

What is HBS?

HBS is a ISO 639-3 language code used for Serbo-Croatian language spectrum – also called Serbo-Croat, Serbo-Croat-Bosnian (SCB), Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian (BCS), and Bosnian-Croatian-Montenegrin-Serbian (BCMS) – a South Slavic language and the primary language of Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Montenegro. It is a pluricentric language with four mutually intelligible standard varieties, namely Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, and Montenegrin. More info on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Croatian.

What is Wikivoyage?

Wikivoyage is a free web-based travel guide for travel destinations and travel topics written by volunteer authors. It is a sister project of Wikipedia and supported and hosted by the same non-profit Wikimedia Foundation (WMF). Wikivoyage has been called the "Wikipedia of travel guides". More info on

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage
• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Manual_of_style
• https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Welcome,_Wikipedians

Why HBS Wikivoyage?

Because there is no fully functional Wikivoyage in any individual language of the SEE region. This is a new effort in many ways and can support multiple language communities around SH, HR, BS, SR and even upcoming Montenegrin around (also) here incubating Wiki project. It is also an opportunity to introduce Wikis and open content work to people who have passion for travel and hospitality.

Why is the test-wiki HBS Wikivoyage on the Incubator?

Because it is not an option to start independent Wikimedia project without content and minimum editing community, so incubating a test-wiki is the first step. After establishing at least 50 pages and 3 active editors, it is possible to advance from test into an independent wiki instance on Wikimedia infrastructure.

What makes this test wiki different?

Test wikis are considered more flexible in terms of work practices (there is no Draft: namespace or procedures) and content display. This one is extra experimental in terms of language practices (does not commit to a single language community) and language regulation will be more diverse, equitable and inclusive.

Who and how can one contribute?

Anyone with good intentions, informed of Mediawiki editing, administration or programing and who is contributing to Wikimedia projects in constructive way is welcome. If you have no experience in editing please consider to gain some in Wikipedia, Wikivoyage or other established projects first, as level of support for learning on them is likely higher.

Can I contribute if I do not understand HBS languages?

YES! At this phase much of the technical work is not language dependent and does not require comprehention. This for example includes making copies of basic pages (with photos), templates and categories from EN Wikivoyage. Note that all the links and categories you are (likely) used to expect in EN instance should also work here, just they get redirected to HBS version.

Can I communicate faster, (almost) real-time with others?

Please use Wikimedia Chat on the Wikivoyage channel https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wikivoyage *(we do not use Discord channels and IRC or other off WMF infrastructure)

Where can I track what is status and plan?

We just started making plans and first drafts, the progress of which can be seen on the Wy/hbs/Wikivodič:Projekt samo-razvoj wikija page.

Other questions...

If you have other questions related to project and want to ask them in English you are welcome to do it here by filling in this form. --Zblace (talk) 08:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Wy SR

What will happen for another Serbian test? i.e. Wy/sr and corresponding request? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:01, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

That is a question to ask there. I have no idea and it is not directly related to this effort. --Zblace (talk) 08:08, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikivoyage is a project with small interest to start with, so HBS Wikivoyage is hopeful to be home to potential contributions from all over the region, including Serbia. We're also hopeful to sort out the technical issues with the Cyrillic converter and finally support it on Serbo-Croatian projects, including Wikivoyage. Best case scenario in my eyes would be inviting them to merge some of our projects (such as Wiktionary, Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikinews perhaps, etc.), but they're of course free to work in their variants if they insist. :) -Vipz (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

As of December 2022, Latin to Cyrillic transliterator was implemented on sh. projects. It wasn't automatically enabled on Wy/hbs due to a different lang code being in use. -Vipz (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

My (Vitek) contribution

Čuj kolega ja sam ti od danas na putu, pa nisam siguran da ću ti moći pomoći... al ću probat....

Vitek 86.32.41.186 06:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

New discussion on our HBS code

Primarily technical bug and discussion (without distinction of SH standard vs. HBS spectrum) but maybe useful to keep track of especially if you share my opinion that technical compromises and rigid consistency is less relevant than social-political ones (especially in our region where almost no collaborative projects existed till now). --Zblace (talk) 09:32, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

So 3 months later this is not resolved, but we got some answers and hopefully we can get to mutual understanding soon. --Zblace (talk) 09:52, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems that this has been solved. Alalch E. (talk) 09:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alalch E. not convinced of that, but lets see sooner, rather than later. --Zblace (talk) 08:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Where is the Cyrillic-Latin converter in Wy/hbs?

Such a converter is good for many people from Serbia or Montenegro. John Smith Ri (talk) 05:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@John Smith Ri: there is an answer to this question in my latest reply 3 sections above this one. It was enabled only on projects with the 'sh' subdomain, though I'll see what can be done on Phabricator to have it enabled on 'hbs' projects as well. Vipz (talk) 22:42, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Then you can try to have it enabled. If possible, a bidirectional converter is expected. BTW, the converter from Cyrillic to Latin is accurate while Latin to Cyrillic (it exists now) is not accurate for non-native spelling. John Smith Ri (talk) 08:01, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@John Smith Ri @Vipz it is a bit more complex as we do not have agreement of how to deal with different original vs. trans-literated names across different language standards and dialects, but this is most of the time fairly comprehendable by all South Slavic languages IMHO. Zblace (talk) 10:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)