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Useful links[edit source]
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- Ainu-English Word List (â original book :The Languages of Japan, Cambridge University Press, Masayoshi Shibatani, 1990, isbn: 978-0521369183)
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Im waiting for us from well be editing and more on people by this wikipedia ainu version
--Skalar nicol tiestar 13:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Writing system[edit source]
I see that a lot of articles are written in KATAKANA, Cyrillic and another writing system.
Which one should be used as the "main" writing system? or how should i look at this?
--Masaru.wota 11:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Internet ka ta ku=nukar aynu itak poro serke Roma noka ani a=nuye wa an. Kusu teta ka Roma noka ani a=nuye yak pirka sekor ku=ramu.ãAnihiko (talk) 03:48, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
- I think there is a solution. We can make it multiscriptual since it can be automatically converted. See this.TNTErick (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- It is an automatic translation. Thank you for your understanding.
- Originally, Ainu was a language without letters, but various records have been made by Japanese and Russians.
- Therefore, it is still recorded in three types of characters (kana, Latin alphabet, and Cyrillic).
- These three types of letters are not the main ones, and they are all used as much.
- Also, these characters can be mechanically and perfectly converted. BrassSnail (talk) 04:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
Greetings from Bavaria/GrÌeà Got![edit source]
I wish you the very best for your new Ainu Wikipedia. I have translated the Bible in Bavarian (Sturmibibl), resp. the Bavarian Book Language (Bairische Buechspraach). Be successful! Hellsepp --80.187.100.108 16:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
2012: new initiative - æ°ããè©Šã¿[edit source]
It has been a long time since this project was proposed, so I have renewed the proposal at m:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ainu_2#Discussion. I have also posted a request for support at ja:Wikipedia:Help_for_Non-Japanese_Speakers#ã¢ã€ããŠã£ãããã£ã¢ - Ainu Wikipedia incubator? on Japanese Wiki, so hopefully that will bring in some more Japanese-English bilinguals to discuss, and figure out how best to engage the Ainu speakers. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:18, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
- I plan in the next few days to message all the users at en:Category:User ain to see if they are able to help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:21, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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I can't speak Ainu, so I will use English to write this. Excuse me for this.
In this Wiki, katakana and romaji can be transcribed regularly. I hope you can make it like Chinese and Kazakh, make the language code into ain-kana (Ainu (katakana)) and ain-latn (Ainu (Latin)) and make the variant-function on. How about being able to choose by this? By doing this, two types of notations with exactly the same meaning will be combined into one, making it easier to see. --LaMagiaaa (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, some language has Latin variants. Thingofme (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. I am working on a solution exactly for that, I have developed wikt:ja:ã¢ãžã¥ãŒã«:ain-kana-conv and ported it over into JavaScript at Aynuitak-Itokpa-Inuye Eutasare. To make it work for MediaWiki, maybe we need to port it over to PHP first (because Chinese are converted by this measure). I don't know how Kazakh language is converted.
- And since Latn is easy to convert to Kana and Cyrl with few exceptions compared to Kana and Cyrl to Latn. I suggest we use Latn as base writing language and automatically convert it to Kana or Cyrl. -Mkpoli (talk) 01:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
- Some progress: I am experimenting building such transliteration system in MediaWiki in Aynuwiki, a site I build for that exact purpose. I have ported the original system and published them collectively as
ainconv
. It includes a JavaScript module, a Rust crate and a Python package respectively. The next steps are to:- Implement the conversion logic in PHP based on the above
- Make an extension or directly incorporate conversion logic into the MediaWiki code base
- Find people to help with checking the language.
- Propose the transliteration to be added at MediaWiki.
- - Mkpoli (talk) 09:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Some more progress: I have successfully implemented the conversion system mainly as
AinConverter.php
(which means it directly replaces files in MediaWiki code base) and released as part of mkpoli/mediawiki-ainu-i18n. I also put a script to upload and replace the files automatically by FTP there for Aynuwiki. You can see the functionality in action on Aynuwiki by changing the preferred script on above at âItakitokpa / ã€ã¿ããã°ãâ. -- Mkpoli (talk) 05:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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Regarding the UI translation of MediaWiki into Ainu, I have been independently working on it at mkpoli/mediawiki-ainu-i18n on Github. At the moment, I am the only translator and have translated about 30% of the content, and probably more in terms of vocabulary. However, doing this alone is physically and temporally limited, and involving more people would result in more accurate translations, so I am looking forward to others joining the translation effort! The reason why I am not using translatewiki.net, the official platform for translation, is that Ainu is not currently enabled there. You may understand the reason by referring to translatewiki:Support/Archive/2023/08#Request_for_add_Ainu_language this discussion, but it seems to be due to the lack of translators with sufficient linguistic skills and failures in expert verification. As of March 2024, the situation has not changed, and the shortage of manpower is evident. Even if I become the sole translator, I cannot translate everything, and it is likely difficult to get approved if applied now. Therefore, I plan to first work on translations independently to somewhat improve the current situation and create an atmosphere conducive to translation before approaching translatewiki or MediaWiki. Here at Wikipedia Incubator, attempts are being made to create articles, but the Ainu language is not standardized, there are multiple writing systems, it takes time to reach a consensus here, and experiments like those I proposed in Main_Page#å€çš®ã®å©çšã®ææ¡ cannot be easily conducted. For now, I have set up a custom MediaWiki site called Aynuwiki and am trying to conduct encyclopedia writing in a somewhat standardized style. Using CC BY-SA and standard features/extensions makes future transitions to Wikipedia easier. Currently, at Aynuwiki, you can select the Ainu UI, choosing between Latin or Katakana scripts so that you can get an impression of how Wikipedia's interface could be translated. The translation is based on Japanese, so untranslated parts are in Japanese. For the text, it is currently only in Latin alphabets, but I aim to implement a system similar to |