Talk:Wp/cop/ⲙⲉⲧϩⲱⲧⲡ ⲛ̀ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲏⲧ
Why not ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲉⲧ? ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- Should be rather ⲥⲟⲃⲏⲧ /so'βʲet/. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- And what about ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲏⲧ? You don't want to write the ⲓ? ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 13:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- But why do we need ⲓ? "I" in English "soviet" is used just to render Russian совет with soft stressed vowel е. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 10:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- But it's not just in English, it is everywhere. It is also pronounced in Arabic. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 12:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well Arabic doesn't have /e/ sound (at least it can't be written with Arabic letters) but Coptic does. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 12:15, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- What I wanted to say is that it is usually the semi-vowel /j/ and another vowel, so in Arabic depending on the dialect as if it were ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲁⲧ, ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲓⲧ, ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲏⲧ. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Can we move it to ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲉⲧ or ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲏⲧ? ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- But why should we take the word from Arabic if it was taken from Russian? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 20:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Because it's not directly loaned from Russian. But that is not even the point. The point is that every non-Slavic language expresses the Iota. Nobody says "sovet", it is always "sovyet". ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- What do you mean? Non Slavic languages either don't have the proper phonetic arsenal to represent Russian совет or use it for writing purposes only (e.g. in the languages where "e" doesn't soften the consonant). I don't understand what you mean by "it's not directly loaned from Russian". Where? In Arabic? Should we take it from Arabic then? Or do you mean English? But what's the point of taking it to Coptic from English and not directly from Russian language? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- "Non Slavic languages either don't have the proper phonetic arsenal to represent Russian совет or use it for writing purposes". Exactly. No Egyptian pronounces it "sovet". ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- You mean Egyptian Arabic speakers? Makes sense because Arabic doesn't have the /e/ sound while Coptic does. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- English also has an e sound, and yet it is sovYYYYYYYet. And so does literally every other language in the cosmos. I think you want to make Coptic a Graeco-Russian orthodox project. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please read my message above. If the word was "sovet" in English it would've sound /sɒvɪt/, "i" is here only to represent the soft stressed Russian vowel. Written letters ≠ their phonological values. If Coptic CAN represent this sound why would you create a pseudo Arabic/English borrowing? You want to bring Egypt back under British control? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Why British control? I guess you should say "world-control", because everybody except you does it. And even you yourself said in Russian it's so'βʲet. Not so'βet. That should be reflected in writing. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly, ⲥⲟⲃⲏⲧ /so'βʲet/ would represent it just fine. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Since when does ⲏ stand for /je/? I'd be nice if we could focus on writing articles, instead of dealing with your idiosyncracies. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 22:29, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- ⲏ stands for /e/ but try to pronounce /βe/ and tell how it sounds like. "You" shouldn't focus on writing articles lol you should focus on translating Wiki interface. There's more than enough articles on this wiki to be approved but only half of the Wiki interface is translated and 1% of it is reviewed. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 23:26, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Since when does ⲏ stand for /je/? I'd be nice if we could focus on writing articles, instead of dealing with your idiosyncracies. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 22:29, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly, ⲥⲟⲃⲏⲧ /so'βʲet/ would represent it just fine. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Why British control? I guess you should say "world-control", because everybody except you does it. And even you yourself said in Russian it's so'βʲet. Not so'βet. That should be reflected in writing. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 22:15, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please read my message above. If the word was "sovet" in English it would've sound /sɒvɪt/, "i" is here only to represent the soft stressed Russian vowel. Written letters ≠ their phonological values. If Coptic CAN represent this sound why would you create a pseudo Arabic/English borrowing? You want to bring Egypt back under British control? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 22:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- English also has an e sound, and yet it is sovYYYYYYYet. And so does literally every other language in the cosmos. I think you want to make Coptic a Graeco-Russian orthodox project. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- You mean Egyptian Arabic speakers? Makes sense because Arabic doesn't have the /e/ sound while Coptic does. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:34, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- "Non Slavic languages either don't have the proper phonetic arsenal to represent Russian совет or use it for writing purposes". Exactly. No Egyptian pronounces it "sovet". ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:28, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- What do you mean? Non Slavic languages either don't have the proper phonetic arsenal to represent Russian совет or use it for writing purposes only (e.g. in the languages where "e" doesn't soften the consonant). I don't understand what you mean by "it's not directly loaned from Russian". Where? In Arabic? Should we take it from Arabic then? Or do you mean English? But what's the point of taking it to Coptic from English and not directly from Russian language? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Because it's not directly loaned from Russian. But that is not even the point. The point is that every non-Slavic language expresses the Iota. Nobody says "sovet", it is always "sovyet". ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- But why should we take the word from Arabic if it was taken from Russian? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 20:57, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- Can we move it to ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲉⲧ or ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲏⲧ? ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
- What I wanted to say is that it is usually the semi-vowel /j/ and another vowel, so in Arabic depending on the dialect as if it were ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲁⲧ, ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲓⲧ, ⲥⲟⲩⲃⲓⲏⲧ. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 18:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Well Arabic doesn't have /e/ sound (at least it can't be written with Arabic letters) but Coptic does. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 12:15, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- But it's not just in English, it is everywhere. It is also pronounced in Arabic. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 12:04, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- But why do we need ⲓ? "I" in English "soviet" is used just to render Russian совет with soft stressed vowel е. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 10:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- And what about ⲥⲟⲃⲓⲏⲧ? You don't want to write the ⲓ? ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 13:32, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Why don't you do it and leave us alone here? I will move the article, Ahmed wondered too why you make up some orthography here. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 00:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please can we be nice to each other. Whether we use a Yoda in this word or not should really not be a source of conflict. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)