Talk:Wp/cop/ⲙⲁϣⲓⲑⲱⲙ
Add topicⲙⲁⲭⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ is based on Casanova's theory about Muqattam being derived from Mechat-tawi ('Scales (of) (the) two lands') – one of the names of Memphis or it's neighbourhood. It could be also connected to the Maqdunya mentioned as an old name of Egypt (which could means just the Cairo-Fustat area) by Ibn Al-Faqih and al-Masudi. Also note the form المقطع given by Timm which has a clear Arabic etymology but still reminds of ⲙⲁⲭⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ (he also gives المقضب and البقطم which could suggest that the origin of the name is not Arabic as it didn't have an established form). What do you think? Maybe we should just use ⲁⲗⲙⲟⲕⲉⲧⲁⲙ or sth like ⲡⲧⲱⲟⲩ ⲙ̀ⲫⲱϣ or ⲙⲁⲙⲫⲱϣ? Maybe there's other sources on the origin of the name or it's previous form? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 23:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- So Casanova thinks that mechat gives ⲙⲁⲭⲓ? Why ⲭ? As far as I am concerned, the other two options you name sound better. Although I would write ⲁⲗⲙⲟⲕⲁⲧⲁⲙ, because ⲉ after ق looks not good. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's tricky as a pure Coptic derivation would give ⲙⲁϣⲓ but if we accept the Maqduniya theory the Greek version of mḫy would be Machi- as in case with Harmachis, so Greek Machiton (Μαχιτων?)-Arabic Maqdun(ya)-Macedonia supported by the Macedonian legacy of the Ptolemaic dynasty. ⲙⲁϣⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ is better I guess as ⲙⲁⲭⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ is a weird Copto-Greek mixture. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 23:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. ⲙⲁⲭⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ should be avoided by us. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 13:25, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's tricky as a pure Coptic derivation would give ⲙⲁϣⲓ but if we accept the Maqduniya theory the Greek version of mḫy would be Machi- as in case with Harmachis, so Greek Machiton (Μαχιτων?)-Arabic Maqdun(ya)-Macedonia supported by the Macedonian legacy of the Ptolemaic dynasty. ⲙⲁϣⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ is better I guess as ⲙⲁⲭⲓⲑⲱⲟⲩ is a weird Copto-Greek mixture. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 23:18, 14 September 2020 (UTC)