Talk:Wp/cop/ⲥⲟⲩⲱⲙⲓ

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`ⲛⲧⲉⲛⲥϧⲁⲓ ϫⲉ ⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ? ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As if we wouldn't have enough discussions, here again a toponym. "Finland" was created twice, so I did a redirect from ϥⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲧⲓⲁ to ⲑⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ, just because the latter was created first. In the next weeks, people should weigh in here and say what they prefer. THere are many countries which end in -land in English (and other languages), and the question is how we want to write them in Coptic. This goes beyond Finland. Please write your opinion here. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 03:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we just take a native name ⲥⲟⲩⲱⲙⲓ? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 09:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just for Finland or every country? ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 14:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We could actually do it for every country. Exonyms are usually created for different reasons, but there's no need to take an exonyms from a different language for Coptic now. Also which exonyms should we take if we do? An Arabic one? Greek? Or even Turkish? ⲑⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ kinda makes no sense (apart from my feelings about ⲑⲉⲛ-) because it utilises an exonym (Fins) with a hypothetical "native" construction. If we want to use "Fins" we should borrow the whole name then (ϥⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲇⲁ maybe). --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I like ⲑⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 16:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course ⲑⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ makes sense. Is that even an argument? You don't like to take a (foreign) exonym together with a Coptic word? By the same standards, you couldn't say "Thailand" or "Somaliland" because Thai and Somali are not English words. ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're not getting the argument. Thailand and Somaliland make sense because Thai and Somalians are established English names for these people. There's no word for "Finns" in Coptic. Why do we even take "Finn"? It's an Old Norse exonym for "Suomi" that is used by surrounding Scandinavian countries. Why would Coptic use an Old Norse exonym? Why not the native name? All the other countries use "Finland" just because they took the word from Germanic languages (Arabic is a good example here where "Finn" is literally "Finlandian") --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:44, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think your just saying that so you can push your beloved ϩⲉⲗⲗⲁⲥ ⲁⲛⲉⲯⲓⲟⲩⲥⲓⲣⲓ (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does ⲉⲗⲗⲁⲥ have to do with Finland? --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A lot, because then you can also argue for ⲉⲗⲗⲁⲥ to be used as the one and only form

So, I'm OK with any. ⲑⲉⲛϥⲓⲛ, ⲥⲟⲩⲱⲙⲓ, ϥⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲇⲁ. The least controversial may be ϥⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲇⲁ, because it is also used in Arabic. Maybe even ϥⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲇⲓⲁ, ⲫⲓⲛⲗⲁⲛⲇⲓⲁ. There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus. Also, several names could be used at the same time. I don't see a huge problem. With time, a favorite name will emerge? What I really want to avoid is an edit war here. ⲁϩⲙⲉⲧ (talk) 03:46, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]