Incubator:Requests for deletions/Archive 3
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Wikinews projects in languages of the Russian Federation
I'll wait to see how people respond here. I do keep in mind how much work it takes to keep a Wikinews project going. However, all three of these languages have Wikipedias already, so they presumably could have Wikinews projects if they wish (and get that far). And as the ongoing situation with Western Armenian Wikipedia attests, we can also manage to approve a project that has incubation content in two different places. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused by this test project, this looks like a Tatar language edition of Wikinews test project, which is however, according to Meta-Wiki notes, the Russian Wikinews already served Wikinews in this language, and a list of Tatar pages can also be found at n:ru:Категория:Бастырылган, so I'm wondering if Tatar users really wanna split their project or not.
Pinging ruwikinews sysops @Artem Korzhimanov, DonSimon, Krassotkin, Schekinov Alexey Victorovich, Ssr:@TarzanASG, Фильтр злоупотреблений: and ttwiki sysops@Derslek, Marat Vildanov, Marat-avgust, Фильтр злоупотреблений: to let them provide their opinions here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Frhdkazan, Тимерхан: --Ssr (talk) 11:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Russian Wikinews community deserves our gratitude for helping us within their Domestic multilingualism project, into which I contribute regularly. I would recommend to keep the separate test project, as it might eventually be better for us to move Tatar Wikinews into its own domain. At the moment, UG TAT members mainly concentrate their efforts in ttWP, but we already start seeing the benefits of having separate WikiBooks & see similar potential utility in the separate Wikinews (to lower the mandatory translation into Russian hurdle, which might eventually contribute into increasing participation). --Frhdkazan (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm also confusing since there's problem with co-existing for two places for one language edition, because of Akan and Twi problem. --22.214.171.124 07:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- Please, keep this project. I hope we can start separately from russian wikinews. --Kaftaj (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
- These are two different approaches with different goals. For us, the test project is the predecessor of the project entirely in Sakha. Sakha news in the Russian Wikinews is a way to popularize Wikinews in the Sakha Republic, a way to support its Russian colleagues, a way to spread important republican news, as well as training. --HalanTul (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. These are two different approaches with different goals. There is writing multilingual news on Russian Wikinews. But here are separate language editions of Wikinews on Incubator. These approaches are not interchangeable. I hope these two independent approaches together will help create own Wikinews editions for these languages. --sasha (krassotkin) 17:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, per above. By way, was created "soft redirect" for Wn/ba. Maybe would be a good idea to create similar templates for other languages from this list. --Kaganer (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- We can do that eventually. But we'd handle it differently, since projects also exist here. Hold off for the moment. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per above from top to bottom: it's true that two approaches can be later combined and interlinked. This, I believe, will help in integration and training because all national speakers also speak Russian and talk in Russian to each other. Many (or most) multilingual Wikinews stories written during this project describe events related to Wikimedia across Russia: all that serves global development of Wikimedia movement. In the past I also was trying to collaborate with English Wikinews, because a lot of these people also speak English (1, 2, 3, 4), but now they seem to possess unacceptable policies. Russian Wikinews have valuable experience useful for future, e. g. multiple interface translations. So that, this is just the way to go. --Ssr (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Not done It seems there are good reasons to keep parallel efforts going for now. I'm going to take any similar requests as being off-limits for a minimum of one year. (Requests for different reasons—particularly because of core rules violations like copyright and BLP—are always allowed, of course.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
And probably also Wp/ruo and Wp/ukl. The requests are about the info pages. As they are not extinct languages, they should either be deleted or rewrittened so that they does not discourage creation of a future proper test project.--GZWDer (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- You make a fair point. I'll try to get to these in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for Wp/pst, it's just a rural area speaked dialect of Pashto, and has no significant differents between other Pashto dialects (for more reason of this, consult @The Amjad: separately) and that, hence the pst speakers should better keep contributing the Pashto Wikipedia ps.wikipedia.org, no oppose comments for others, aka feel free to delete others. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Done, except with respect to Wp/pst.
- @Liuxinyu970226, The Amjad: Based on the Wikipedia article, I read the situation on Central Pashto differently: that it is a standardized, prestige dialect of Pashto. That would probably make it even more likely not to be appropriate for its own project separate from the existing Pashto Wikipedia. But before I finalize this, can anyone please commment? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)