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2019

Wikinews projects in languages of the Russian Federation

I'll wait to see how people respond here. I do keep in mind how much work it takes to keep a Wikinews project going. However, all three of these languages have Wikipedias already, so they presumably could have Wikinews projects if they wish (and get that far). And as the ongoing situation with Western Armenian Wikipedia attests, we can also manage to approve a project that has incubation content in two different places. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Wn/tt

I'm a bit confused by this test project, this looks like a Tatar language edition of Wikinews test project, which is however, according to Meta-Wiki notes, the Russian Wikinews already served Wikinews in this language, and a list of Tatar pages can also be found at n:ru:Категория:Бастырылган, so I'm wondering if Tatar users really wanna split their project or not.

Pinging ruwikinews sysops @Artem Korzhimanov, DonSimon, Krassotkin, Schekinov Alexey Victorovich, Ssr:@TarzanASG, Фильтр злоупотреблений: and ttwiki sysops@Derslek, Marat Vildanov, Marat-avgust, Фильтр злоупотреблений: to let them provide their opinions here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:17, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

  • @Frhdkazan, Тимерхан: --Ssr (talk) 11:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
    • Russian Wikinews community deserves our gratitude for helping us within their Domestic multilingualism project, into which I contribute regularly. I would recommend to keep the separate test project, as it might eventually be better for us to move Tatar Wikinews into its own domain. At the moment, UG TAT members mainly concentrate their efforts in ttWP, but we already start seeing the benefits of having separate WikiBooks & see similar potential utility in the separate Wikinews (to lower the mandatory translation into Russian hurdle, which might eventually contribute into increasing participation). --Frhdkazan (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm also confusing since there's problem with co-existing for two places for one language edition, because of Akan and Twi problem. --60.26.9.13 07:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Wn/myv

Like #Wn/tt above, the Russian Wikinews also have an Erzya Wikinews, list of Erzya pages: n:ru:Категория:Нолдазь

Pinging myvwiki sysops @Erzianj jurnalist, Rueter, А тевде сувтеме:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

And ping two more members of m:Wikimedians of Erzya language User Group @Kaftaj, ZUFAr: --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please, keep this project. I hope we can start separately from russian wikinews. --Kaftaj (talk) 06:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Wn/sah

Like #Wn/tt above, the Russian Wikinews also have a Sakha/Yakut Wikinews, list of Sakha/Yakut pages: n:ru:Категория:Бэчээттэммит

Pinging sahwiki sysops @Egerman, HalanTul, Kyraha, Омсолоох дьайыы фильтра:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk)

These are two different approaches with different goals. For us, the test project is the predecessor of the project entirely in Sakha. Sakha news in the Russian Wikinews is a way to popularize Wikinews in the Sakha Republic, a way to support its Russian colleagues, a way to spread important republican news, as well as training. --HalanTul (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

For all

  • Keep. These are two different approaches with different goals. There is writing multilingual news on Russian Wikinews. But here are separate language editions of Wikinews on Incubator. These approaches are not interchangeable. I hope these two independent approaches together will help create own Wikinews editions for these languages. --sasha (krassotkin) 17:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep, per above. By way, was created "soft redirect" for Wn/ba. Maybe would be a good idea to create similar templates for other languages from this list. --Kaganer (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
    We can do that eventually. But we'd handle it differently, since projects also exist here. Hold off for the moment. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:12, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
    Yes, this may be combined: Project design in the Incubator and working space in the Russian Wikinews. --Kaganer (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep per above from top to bottom: it's true that two approaches can be later combined and interlinked. This, I believe, will help in integration and training because all national speakers also speak Russian and talk in Russian to each other. Many (or most) multilingual Wikinews stories written during this project describe events related to Wikimedia across Russia: all that serves global development of Wikimedia movement. In the past I also was trying to collaborate with English Wikinews, because a lot of these people also speak English (1, 2, 3, 4), but now they seem to possess unacceptable policies. Russian Wikinews have valuable experience useful for future, e. g. multiple interface translations. So that, this is just the way to go. --Ssr (talk) 15:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done It seems there are good reasons to keep parallel efforts going for now. I'm going to take any similar requests as being off-limits for a minimum of one year. (Requests for different reasons—particularly because of core rules violations like copyright and BLP—are always allowed, of course.) StevenJ81 (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/msv

The msv points to a Cameroon language called Maslam, but the main page was using Cyrillic which doesn't seem true per Ethnologue. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Already deleted by MF-Warburg. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/hsn/南小鳥

Copy from lzh:伶生就志記#南小鳥(南_ことり), the article are written in literature Chinese, not in Xiang. --夢蝶葬花 (talk) 05:59, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 22:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Wp/kjv

More than 3 weeks and no contents created here. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Wy/hr

Created for two weeks, but still nothing else contributed. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Wn/kk, Wp/apd, Wp/pst, Wp/zro

And probably also Wp/ruo and Wp/ukl. The requests are about the info pages. As they are not extinct languages, they should either be deleted or rewrittened so that they does not discourage creation of a future proper test project.--GZWDer (talk) 21:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

  • You make a fair point. I'll try to get to these in the next few days. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:58, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Oppose for Wp/pst, it's just a rural area speaked dialect of Pashto, and has no significant differents between other Pashto dialects (for more reason of this, consult @The Amjad: separately) and that, hence the pst speakers should better keep contributing the Pashto Wikipedia ps.wikipedia.org, no oppose comments for others, aka feel free to delete others. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:55, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done, except with respect to Wp/pst.
@Liuxinyu970226, The Amjad: Based on the Wikipedia article, I read the situation on Central Pashto differently: that it is a standardized, prestige dialect of Pashto. That would probably make it even more likely not to be appropriate for its own project separate from the existing Pashto Wikipedia. But before I finalize this, can anyone please commment? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
On no further comments, I'm closing this as it currently stands: leaving the page at Wp/pst as it is, while the others were deleted or reset. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:06, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Wp/hep

Not a valid ISO code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Wp/ron

Already having ro: for them. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Both of these will eventually be removed. But I'm willing to wait long enough for (a) the creator of the Wp/hep pages to answer me about moving them to Incubator Plus, and (b) the creator of the Wp/ron pages to answer you. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:18, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sot

Already exists at st:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Will give a day or two to let the user copy the one content page to st:. StevenJ81 (talk) 04:14, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The one content page was copied. Therefore, now Yes check.svg Done. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:21, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sfa

Invalid coded project created by IP. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

User talk:Lzhwp

I request this page in User_talk:StevenJ81#You've_got_mail!,and feel this page have rollback version on it (can rollback to the revision 'the welcoming bot's standard message'),I request to undelete it.--MCC214 (talk) 06:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done There is no point, because the user account is globally locked. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:00, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Isn't this already deleted by Ooswesthoesbes? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
MCC214 was requesting an undelete. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Wp/prs

This project does have a valid ISO language code, but is not sufficiently distinct from Persian (see Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Dari), and has been moved to Incubator Plus 2.0. --Agusbou2015 (talk) 21:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hariva, Mjbmr, ExplodingPoPUps: Dear all contributors, agree or not? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:12, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

I only did some experimental edit on it to see if there is any editor. I think it can be deleted because after all these years no user contributed to it.--2607:FEA8:C31F:FFBE:F04D:6339:4211:A77E 05:11, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I think we can probably do this. Give me a day to set up a new template like {{wikia}} so that I can point people to the test at the new Incubator Plus and then I will do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Update: I've got a phabricator in to create a direct interwiki link to the new Incubator Plus. After that gets finished I will address all of this. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 18:20, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sei

See m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Seri and mailarchive:langcom/2019-August/002394.html. This was apparently "outed" as fake about ten years ago, and almost no new pages have been created since. So I propose to archive and delete. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree. --OWTB (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:17, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Wt/cop

An extinct language, plus there are no pages and there's no Meta request. Random Wikimedian (talk) 14:00, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

There are a couple of pages. See Special:PrefixIndex/Wt/cop/. Usually, unless such pages are outright inappropriate, we tend to leave them around. Is there a problem with them? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
@Random Wikimedian: I moved your previous request to the bottom, because new requests go at the bottom. And I already responded just above. Can you answer that question, please? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: I didn't realize that, sorry. Random Wikimedian (talk) 12:13, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
X mark.svg Not done. There is also a community that works on Wp/cop. We're going to leave the Wt/cop pages in place in case they need them. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Wp/rus

See m:Language proposal policy#Requisites for eligibility, this especially violates "The Wikimedia Foundation does not seek to develop new linguistic entities; there must be an extensive body of works in that language." --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 14:26, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Recreation of Wp/rus

@Kaganer, Левъ Царёвъ, Timsher71: As noted above, and as I said at Talk:Wp/rus/Главная страница, this is not going to happen on Incubator or anywhere else in Wikimedia. (Belarus was a grandfathered case, and would not be allowed to happen today.) I intend to archive and delete this content in ten days. StevenJ81 (talk) (administrator) 13:16, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@StevenJ81: Hello, I would like to challenge your decision to delete the project Wp/rus. This project aims to make encyclopedic information more accessible to Russian people reading and writing in traditional spelling. The expansion of the information space is included in the objectives of the Wikimedia project. Also, this section may be useful to Russians reading in modern spelling, expanding their horizons and promoting general education. Creating articles in pre-reform spelling on Russian Wikipedia (ru.wikipedia.org) is difficult for two reasons: firstly, automatic translation of articles from new to old spelling is not possible due to the dynamism of the pre-reform Russian language (this means that each article will need to be rewritten manually); secondly, will the coexistence of articles in the new and old spelling in Russian Wikipedia be acceptable? However, if you consider it possible for us to continue working within the framework of the Russian Wikipedia, we could transfer our activities. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 14:39, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: This is "exotical" case, but - IMHO - that project may be implemented. There are many sources written using this spelling. And there are also many activists who practice writing in this spelling. If they prove that they are capable of supporting and developing such a project for a long time, then it would be wise to provide them with such a hosting. --Kaganer (talk) 15:26, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
PS: I understand your reluctance to see this case, but you did not bring rational arguments. This is a bad decision-making style in a public project. It makes me sad. The simple word "because" would make this statement more correct. --Kaganer (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
edit conflict @Kaganer, Левъ Царёвъ, Timsher71: I'll provide some time for discussion, and after discussion I will take to LangCom and discuss. Still, at least according to the ordinary rules, you would have to demonstrate the following (which are not necessarily in a particular order):
  • The community at Russian Wikipedia is not willing to include articles written in pre-reform Russian.
  • There is a community of people who need pre-reform Russian who cannot read modern Russian. Note: If this community is avoiding Russian Wikipedia over political or ideological issues, LangCom will say no.
You may also have to explain why working on the existing project at Wikia/Fandom is problematic, or why moving the project to the new Incubator Plus 2.0 on Miraheze and working on it there would be a problem.
The fact that sources exist is not relevant in and of itself. If Russian Wikisource wouldn't allow such documents (unlikely), we'd put source documents like that on Multilingual Wikisource. But the rules are different for Wikipedia, and I'm having a hard time seeing why you need to do this. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Technical note: Wp/rus is satisfactory for this purpose while in Incubator, assuming the project is allowed to stay here. It will complicate my life for you to create a whole tagged code like ru-x-old or something like that. We'll worry about a final coding for this if and only if the project is allowed to stay here and eventually becomes ready for creation as an independent wiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Hello. The spelling question in Russia is cultural, not political. The traditional spelling allows to convey more layers and nuances of meanings. Russian philologist N. Pertsov points that Pushkin's works (and, of course, the works of any other Russian author that uses the traditional spelling) lose the nuances of meanings when published using the simplified spelling. By the way, if the Bielorussian case cannot be an example, there is a Chinese case with two spellings, traditional and simplified. My English isn't good, sorry. :) --Timsher71 (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Any Pushkin's work can (and should) be placed in pre-reformal othography in Russian Wikisource: s:ru:Недоконченная картина (Пушкин)/ДО. AndyVolykhov (talk) 20:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
  • ISO-3 code "rus" for pre-1917-revolution orthography of Russian is lie. This code is for modern Russian (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/rus). Wiki cannot be created for language without ISO code, as far as I know. MBH (talk) 04:19, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Выше уже есть ремарка про код. Он условно приемлем для Инкубатора. Когда (и если) дойдет до создания полноценного раздела, тогда и будет решаться вопрос с кодом. Пока что обсуждается вопрос о принципиальной (не)возможности и допустимости такого проекта в Инкубаторе. --Kaganer (talk) 19:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
  • I think, it's senseless to create pre-reform-Russian wiki. There are no people who can read pre-reform Russian and can't read modern (this people were in post-revolution Russian emigration, but all died). See local discussion. MBH (talk) 04:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
@MBH: Hello. You're wrong. Descendants of white emigrants live and now, I am one of them. Some, like me, continue to write in pre-reform spelling. For me, this spelling is native and I am not comfortable reading Soviet spelling. Yes, I can optionally read Soviet spelling, but it’s harder for me. It's as hard as reading «lenguaj» instead of «language», «kuin» instead of «queen». — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Здесь есть некоторая ошибка в логике. Тот аргумент, что нету людей, которые могли бы читать дореформенную орфография, но не могли бы современную - ничего особенного не означает. Википедия на языке Саха существует, хотя все её авторы и читатели наверняка владеют русским языком. --Kaganer (talk) 19:28, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
      • There are also projects in North American and Australian aboriginal languages, even though generally those communities are fluent in English and/or French. But (a) they're still different languages, and (b) because of that, they potentially cover locally notable subject material that doesn't make the cut in a larger Wikipedia. In this case, LangCom will want to understand if there is a community that is going to be served that is not adequately served by ruwiki. Also ... I'm finding it a little hard to believe that the layers and nuances in the traditional spelling matter a lot in something like an encyclopedia.
Let me also point out that this has been requested previously. See m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Pre-reform Russian. Is there a new argument you make that is not already made there? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
@StevenJ81: Hello. As I wrote above, I and other emigrants (as well as all Russians) can write and read if desired in Soviet spelling. But this spelling is harder for us. It is not perceived by us, it is not dear to us. It’s also hard and unpleasant, as you read and write “mather” instead of “mother”, “pis” instead of “peace”, “lav” instead of “love”, etc. Other arguments have already been named. But for me the most important thing is to write as my ancestors wrote. The modern Russian language, especially the literary one, is in decline (that is how I perceive it). And at the time of this crash, I hope to create a resource that reflects a holistic, clean, convenient and native language for me. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Question: Would it be possible to create a script converter between the standard and pre-reform orthographies (similar to Serbian, which has a Cyrillic-Latin converter)? If such a thing were to exist, it would eliminate the need for a separate Wikipedia in pre-reform Russian, while still allowing people who want to write in pre-reform orthography to contribute to Russian Wikipedia. DraconicDark (talk) 15:16, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

@DraconicDark: You are absolutely right: the creation of a converter would resolve this issue without the need to create a separate Wikipedia section. However, this is not possible for several reasons. Many words, which are written differently in traditional spelling, began to be written equally in the reformed one. For a competent translation, it is often necessary to refer to the context and meaning of the phrase. So, for example, Tolstoy’s novel “War and Peace” in Soviet spelling is written as “Война и мир”, and there are two versions of the translation into the traditional spelling: “Война и миръ” and “Война и міръ”. You should also distinguish between the words "всѣ" and "все", which are often spelled the same in a reformed spelling: "все." There are different rules for writing the letters “e” and “o” in traditional and reformed spelling (writing depends on the openness/closedness of the syllable). In traditional spelling, feminine plural endings are distinguished. In reformed endings, masculine and feminine are spelled the same. In general, one can long list groups of words and constructions that cannot be translated into traditional spelling. — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
@Левъ Царёвъ: And then, can you please explain that why you can't contribute Wp/orv? That has a valid individual ISO code. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:42, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226: Good afternoon. The fact is that the Old Russian language and the language in which the Traditional Russian Wikipedia is compiled are two different languages. Traditional Russian Wikipedia is written in modern Russian (which, of course, has some differences from the language in which Russian Wikipedia is written). Old Russian is the ancestor of Russian.
In addition, I should note that the project of “Old Russian Wikipedia” is compiled by amateurs who do not know the Old Russian language at all. This can already be judged even by their name: “Вікіпѣдіѩ” (the letter “ѣ” cannot be written in this word, since it is not Slavic; the letter “ѩ” also cannot be used here, it should be written or “ѧ” or “ꙗ”). — Левъ Царёвъ (talk) 13:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC).
A new request has created by an anonymous user: m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Traditional Russian. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:29, 2 October 2019 (UTC)


Wy/no

So, as suggested by m:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Norwegian, there are nothing that can be considered as real Norwegian contents, neither Bokmål, nor Riksmål, nor Nynorsk, and nor Høgnorsk. Therefore I suggest to delete the de facto faux test project, and invite Native Norwegian speakers to re-start it from scratch. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

In principle, I agree. But I think I'm going to ask a Norwegian speaker over there to look at some templates here to see if they are usable—and maybe to fix just the main page. If there is usable infrastructure here, it would probably be better to keep it for a future test effort than to wipe it out. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
See discussion at m:Talk:Requests for new languages/Wikivoyage Norwegian. I think we will probably need to delete it all, and have people start over from scratch. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 15:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Wp/ban

The Balinese Wikipedia has already been created, but its pages are still on the Incubator. Please delete them. Random Wikimedian (talk) 13:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done Tests are never deleted from Incubator for at least 30 days after project creation, and at least one created project's test version is always retained for administrative purposes. StevenJ81 (talk) 05:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Wp/sib

The code "sib" is supposed to be for Sebop, a language of Indonesia, but this test claims to be in "Siberian" (presumably referring to this) which isn't a language. DraconicDark (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done StevenJ81 (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

2020

Wp/aaa

I am almost completely certain that this is a hoax. The language, Ghotuo, for which it is very difficult to find any material online, is an Edoid language, so there should at least be some similarity to the Edo language, for which it is a bit easier to find matierial online. To me it reads more like a Romance- or Germanic-inspired conlang than anything. The one user who has contributed to this test started off by creating 5-word articles for several years, and likewise for letters, and created articles on a couple of international companies. There is nothing of substance, and it just looks like it was made up for the purpose of this Incubator.

Ping also Amire80 and Yupik, who have also looked a bit into this. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Delete as suspected hoax. -Yupik (talk) 13:47, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree, Delete. I'll change my mind if better proof that this is actually this language is provided. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:40, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
Delete, looks like a hoax. --Achim55 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg deleted --MF-W {a, b} 11:18, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Wp/sjt

This project is dead and I think that it should be deleted completely. There is no point in keeping the 17 pages of the project, since there is little Ter Sami on them. These pages consist either of a proper noun and 1 word of Ter or 1 word of Ter, the "abbreviation" for Russian in Ter and the word in Russian. A picture has been added to each page to pad out the bytes. There is one redirect as well as one page in Russian and English about the project. There are thus 17 words of Ter in the whole project, yet only 12 unique words since the word for mountain лыэһке (lɨehke in the version of the orthography used on this project) is repeated on 5 of those pages. -Yupik (talk) 07:08, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

@Yupik: But there's a Meta-Wiki request that is eligible. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@Yupik: This project is verified as eligible hence the portal (Wp/sjt) and the Main Page (Wp/sjt/Главне) should be retained.
However the 17 individual articles (created in 2011) are one word stubs and could possibly be deleted since no one has expanded it for 9 years now. Since Ter Sami speakers reside in Russia and this is the easternmost Sami language, the Ter Sami's may actually find it more practical to contribute in the Ter Sami cyrillic alphabet. --Ernesztina (talk) 08:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Meanwhile, all pages except the Main Page have been deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 04:31, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
The main page could actually also be deleted, since it is in Russian and English and not Ter. -Yupik (talk) 23:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Support deleting main page, that can be re-written under a proper name. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:47, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 15:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Tmv

It's my user page, which has the same content as the meta user page and is not meant to exist. Therefore, please remove it, because the same user page as meta is more consistent.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 06:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tmv: Why not instead request at m:Synchbot? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
@Liuxinyu970226 Sorry for the delay in replying. I only want to delete the Incubator user page. Isn't the page you are talking about deleting all the pages? Please explain the page you are talking about if you can.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 11:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Sorry for the delay here. I only now noticed this subpage isn't actually on my watchlist! --MF-W {a, b} 15:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Wy/ja/Help for Non-Japanese Speakers

Could you please remove this version [1]? This version is not in accordance with the license [2]. That is a copyright infringement. We agreed with the community on this issue Wy/ja/Wikivoyage:削除依頼#Wy/ja/Help_for_Non-Japanese_Speakersの2020年6月21日_(日)_11:52時点での版. I am requesting this since I am not authorized to remove a specific version.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 08:59, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:50, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/aco

The language code is invalid, as [3] is "Page not found". --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:51, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

All redirects under Wp/fos

Since Taivoan already got its own ISO code, those redirects will not be useful anymore, the Wp/fos page itself should however be kept because I will discuss with WMTW members separately about this. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

All Template:Wp/fos and Category:Wp/fos pages are ditto. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Done. --MF-W {a, b} 18:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/enm/Sung Jae-gi

Troll article, improper orthography, not neutral (Sung Jae-gi is a well known anti-feminist.) --2001:E60:C72E:B9F6:284B:DC9C:178A:FA2 14:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 15:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Wt/pox

Archived. Note being left in place here as a reminder that this test and Wp/pox will be moved to the new Incubator Plus on Miraheze as soon as it is open for business. (These are actually likely to be the first tests moved there.) StevenJ81 (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
While I agree the decision for a test **Wikipedia** (which requires the language to have active modern use), I contest such decision for Wiktionary and Wikisource (which is meant to contain reliable historic data as part of important human culture which can still be studied actively, especially for hosting a free dictionary of that language, and a free collection of historic source texts, that may also benefit from OCR efforts in Wikisource).
"Extinct language" is only valid for denying a test for Wikipedia, or Wikinews, and probably Wikiquote (though you won't hear anybody speaking it in the medias or in new books, the only reliable source would be in old books, i.e. hosting these citations in the test Wikisource).
Also I don't see the relation with "Miraheze" suggested above. And Incubator Plus does not even exists 2 years after this unjustified decision which is un fact inapplicable. Incubator is just fine for hosting many minor languages, even extinct ones that have little contents (glossaries, reconstructed languages like proto-Indo-European and other proto-languages which are very actively studied by linguists, because they have lot of interests in relation with the modern languages that followed them and are interesting to understand how these modern languages have evolved or of terms were native natural phonetic evolutions, or adaptations in contact with other languages and cultures, or if they were borrowed. This also helps understanding the foundation of the modern syntax/grammar, and helps modern language to preserve their inheritage and being recognizable even when they borrow and adapt terms from other languages. It helps modern speakers to keep their language active, and sometimes it helps revitalization efforts. And finally many historic records will be better understood and can become proofs to explain or justify why we need to preserve the ability to read or understand past languages, when these records show what may happen again in the future. We need the lessons of the past to avoid repeating the same past errors. Verdy p (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
An I'm sure that our public libraries in the world have tons of old documents and books that need to be preserved in some way, and that risk to disappear for lack of money or because of political troubles in some areas or because of wars/conflicts and sabotages. Preserving them as facsimiles also has a huge cost compared to preserving at least the OCR'ed texts that would facilitate the efforts to read or understand them.
We need a free online archive of historic texts, accessible to the world and not just a few specialists living in dangerous areas, and Wikisource was created for that, including for communities that have fled the areas of conflicts or misery and that could help revitalize and honor their past culture and be proud of it, even if they no longer use these languages in their modern life. Many of these libraries are in danger and they could benefit from help by a diverse community of a few passionate spread all around the world, some of the developing expertise in these languages (there may exist new Champollion's starting to work isolately to help decrypt old texts as long as they are preserved; later these works may prove to be important).
Note that for archives of historic texts, "OldWikisource" may be useful. But it's not very well suited for hosting glossaries and linguistic research papers trying to organize it as an open dictionary (even if there remains many unknown items or items that need further work for hypotheses (often justified by making comparisons and using any other documents produced at the same epoch or by old travelmen, explorer and merchants that have left their testimonials, which are of course oriented but whose source can at least be asserted and dated). Verdy p (talk) 23:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Scotland and Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of Canada

Merged with Category:Incubator:Test wikis of languages of North America. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 02:12, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Done. NinjaStrikers «» 05:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Wt/min, Wp/gcr and Wt/shy

Site created for 8 months. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 21:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. --MF-W {a, b} 18:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
@MF-W, but why there are still some /gcr pages? Are they temporary restored due to some export-importing issues? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Now gone. --MF-W {a, b} 22:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/ryu/にふん

This is a duplicate page in Wp/ryu/日本. There are no test-administrators, so please do it here.--Tmv (talk|Contributions) 01:14, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. For such cases, you can also use {{delete}}. --MF-W {a, b} 13:00, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Wp/mkn

LangCom just rejected as stale, because only a main page was created, and at that not finished. Can be undeleted or recreated if anyone has a future interest. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:30, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep for now on, @StevenJ81: unfortunately the second request has been submitted, therefore I oppose your opinion. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

I'll just mark this as X mark.svg Not done There are some pages now. Let's (if someone cares) find out about the eligibility first. --MF-W {a, b} 05:15, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Wp/sux

Dead-language project started without any sort of application and langcom approval as far as I can see. 12 pages, most consisting of one word and a photo á la the Ter Saami incubator project. -Yupik (talk) 12:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes check.svg deleted. --MF-W {a, b} 00:04, 28 October 2020 (UTC)