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Half (give or take a few) of the Prūsiska Wikipēdija copied to Wp/prg - What should be done?

I had assumed Nertiks would be fine with copying it over; as there was no response. I started making pages here on October 7, and started importing on the 31st. However, somewhere in/after December, I found what he said on the request for the Prussian Wikipedia:

"The Prussian Wikipedia started to work on an independent server: http://wikipedia.prusaspira.ez.lv (now http://wikipedia.prusaspira.org) after refusing it in the official Wikipedia. We have 6 authors who write articles more or less regularly. From the technical point of view it would be better to make the decision about Wikipedia for our language using the material on this server, not to start an Incubator, which can disappear and work of people can be wasted then." --User:Nertiks; 27 Febuary 2012

Nowadays, the independent Wikipedia has only two users (or three, if you count WūranArtīkelinRedigītajs, who may be Nertiks): Nertiks and me. It appears that the data was transferred (between servers? due to a server error?) on 28 September 2021. I joined on the 26th of 2024.

Plus, there have been many, many other instances of copying from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija, so I thought it would be fine. I copied half of the Prūsiska Wikipēdija over (give or take a few articles). It's licensed with CC BY-SA-4.0, however I suspect that the way I did it breaks the licensing, by not specifically adding the CC BY-SA-4.0 link to the commit message every time.

• Should the articles that I imported be mass-deleted?
• Should we export every single article that exists in Wp/prg to the Prūsiska Wikipēdija, convert it to their orthography, and have the Prussian Wikipedia go the way of Toki Pona?
• Should I ask Nertiks again and tell him what I did?
• Should I should be blocked from editing the Incubator because there's a rule I violated by doing this?
  • If so, should it be temporary or indefinite?
• Or should nothing happen?

This may be such a massive blunder that I felt like I had to go here instead of the Community Portal. Sorry. Kxeon (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Is the whole test-wiki wp/prg a duplicate of the independent wiki, copied by you? --MF-W {a, b} 11:56, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Definitely not. Quite a few of the pages are not from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija. There are currently 309 pages on the Incubator. I don't really know how many of those are copied from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija, as I did way too much and others have also not labelled their imports but;

• Tīgelka imported 4 pages, correctly for the most part. They placed the license and URL in their edit summary. There's just no link.

• NawsPiteris imported 65 pages from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija. Piteris is a part of Prusaspirā, the proposer of the second request for Wikipedia Prussian, and was a user of the Prūsiska Wikipēdija before the migration, which destroyed all data. Due to the destruction of the data, it's hard/impossible to tell whether or not NawsPiteris copied from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija, or if the Prūsiska Wikipēdija copied from them.
• I imported too many to give an exact number... I estimate 175~200...
• And there are definitely a few more people that I'm forgetting, of whom imported from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija. From what I remember, 2.

As far as I can tell though, nobody else has imported articles from the Prūsiska Wikipēdija. Recently, anyway.

If I understand you correctly, what you did was manually copying content from the external wiki without attributing the source, right? Well, we've had a similar thing going on with Interslavic (Wp/isv): at first, I asked several times if it would be possible to go "the way of Toki Pona" but never received an answer, and after three months, some people started copying articles from our external wiki, and gradually, the work moved from that wiki to the Incubator. Obviously, two wikis being worked on simultaneously is most undesirable, so that's why I put a banner in the external wiki asking people to edit the Incubator instead.

I wouldn't worry too much about the copyright infringement if I were you, because that situation can simply be undone by importing all articles along with their histories at some later point. The only thing is that importing them to the Incubator would require quite some extra work because of the prefixes. That's why it might be better to wait with that until the Prussian wiki has been created.

And anyway, the Incubator at least gives you the advantage that activity can easily be monitored. An external wiki is harder to check for sockpuppetry and probably won't make it possible to verify if all the requirements are met.  IJzeren Jan (besěda) 21:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Huh. It seems that the situations of the Prussian and Interslavic Wikipedias really were somewhat similar, apart from a few things:

1. The Prussian Wikipedia was rejected two times:
   1. Once in 2008; which was the catalyst for the migration to an entirely independent website to continue operations
   2. And again in 2016; despite the second request for Prussian that was proposed by Piteris in 2012, still being open (today marked as eligible).
2. Nērtiks himself did not make a banner at the top of the Prūsiska Wikipēdija like you did
3. Nērtiks may be unaware that this is even happening/has happened.

So what was done for Interslavic here may also work for Prussian.

Besides the fact that near the start of May of this year, the Prūsiska Wikipēdija garnered 10 articles of French gamble-spam with the wrong encoding, of which have not been deleted yet, the Prūsiska Wikipēdija seems to be OK; although it's pretty inactive these days.

Also, when I was importing articles, I added a comment at the top for some of the ones I imported with the URL of the page I imported from, however some of them have no attributions at all. None of them have the licensing information or link. I'll just take your word however, and not worry about the copyright violations. Thanks, Kxeon (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

A quick export (from the independent Prussian Wikipedia) and an import here would solve the issue quickly. The Incubator is already CC BY-SA 4.0 (as you can see on the footnotes of every page), so importing would "overwrite" the copy-over edits you made and give the appropriate user their credit (in the page history). Would that be possible @MF-Warburg? Of course, we would need @Kxeon to give us a list of every article, including templates, categories, modules (if applicable) that they copied over. Also include Tigelika's imports since they did not give appropriate credit («If supplied, you must provide the name of the creator and attribution parties, a copyright notice, a license notice, a disclaimer notice, and a link to the material.»). I don't think we can do much about NawsPiteris since his "imports" (now technically creations) predate articles by the independent Wikipedia (since we can't know where they came from). Else we could also delete every article created by them, but I think the optimal solution is to import ;) — Garcez (talk) 17:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Lists under construction. Hold on! Kxeon (talk) 22:24, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

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This is getting confusing here with who replies to what plus footnotes. To me the issue here is: was the independent wiki "forked" but nobody is working on it now here? Then let's delete the pages here in order not to have a bad copy. --MF-W {a, b} 17:57, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: What I understood from it is:

1. There was (10y+ ago) an independent Prussian Wikipedia, hosted at what I'll call "server1". It seems that this server1 suffered a data loss, but not before having some contents of it copied over Wp/prg (NawsPiteris by mid-2021). Before the data loss, it seems that server1 was relatively active, judging by Nertiks' comment "[sic] We have 6 authors who write articles more or less regulary."

2. Then the wiki was reestablished at what I'll call "server2". This seems to have happened in 2021~. Contents of server1 were "restored" (recreated manually?) into server2 and/or (some of) the contents were here and they copied over there (I do think the first option is more probable). As Kxeon stated, nowadays there are only them and a user called "WūranArtīkelinRedigītajs" active in server2, but most of the articles themselves were written long ago in server1.

3. Tigelka and Kxeon "imported" articles from server2 to Wp/prg. Kxeon was probably not aware that they could be breaking the license terms. Tigelka seems to have been aware, since they left a link to the license in their edit reasons and links to the article copied (except appropriate credit was not given). — Garcez (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Restart Dalmatian test project

I am trying to restart dalmatian wikipedia test project but it say dont have valid code but code for dalmatian language is dlm i am new here so i dont know much how this works i just want start writing articles if possible Vigurichteodoro (talk) 21:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not possible because Dalmatian is an extinct language. New Wikipedia projects in extinct languages are not allowed. --MF-W {a, b} 16:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

its "extinction" is very disputed thing, more of mythology than proven fact, is there way to prove language is not extinct? Vigurichteodoro (talk) 20:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

@Vigurichteodoro: Yes, you must prove it mainly to SIL's ISO 639-3 and/or Ethnologue. Other sources may be used but mostly SIL's ISO 639-3 and eventually Ethnologue (having SIL's ISO 639-3 approval is certainly most important). — Garcez (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Redlinked "MediaWiki:Lang" pages

I accidentally stumbled upon Module:Wp/qdp/MediaWikiLang; and by extension Wp/qdp when searching for "ko-kp" on the Incubator, on Google.

I also found that there are quite a few redlinked pages that aren't supposed to be redlinked. Maybe you should create them?

• MediaWiki:Lang/bug-bugi
• MediaWiki:Lang/cdo-hant
• MediaWiki:Lang/dua
• MediaWiki:Lang/hke
• MediaWiki:Lang/hoc-latn
• MediaWiki:Lang/isv-cyrl
• MediaWiki:Lang/ljp
• MediaWiki:Lang/nan-latn-tailo
• MediaWiki:Lang/wlx

Kxeon (talk) 02:07, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

@User:Jon Harald Søby: is this needed? --MF-W {a, b} 08:48, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

@MF-Warburg: Yeah. I'll create those now. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 19:32, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

... huh. Either I missed one or Dolgan (MediaWiki:Lang/dlg) was added since I sent this notice. I don't know which one it is but it probably needs to be made regardless. Sorry if I did miss it. Kxeon (talk) 21:51, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Done ;) — Garcez (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Can you move Wp/dlg/Common.css to MediaWiki:Wp/dlg/Common.css

Thanks Sauit (talk) 08:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)